ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Interesting and CLEAN LTD 3 posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/10/2007 at 3:57:20 PM
Ebay item: 290159289235



Larry "Boneman" Bone


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1960's Triumph posted by: tom wrigglesworth on 9/10/2007 at 7:51:31 AM
I recently picked up a 1960 gents triumph road bike. It's dark green in colour, but has quite a bit of rust. Can anyone help with the following.

1) What is the exact colour used on these bikes? I would like to respray if possible. All the Triumph logos are still intact so an exact match would be great.

2) What IS the best way to remove rust from metal work?

Many thanks


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1960's Triumph posted by Warren on 9/10/2007 at 12:27:46 PM
You'll never get an exact colour match with "paint code" values. I'm sure the colour was so much brighter when it was new anyway. If you wanted to take it to a good paint shop, they can match the current colour using computer scans or digital pics. I'm restoring a 72 BMW R75 and even though I knew the correct colour code (Glasurit 86), the shop still wanted to do a computer match.

Pick your favourite shade of green and do it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by: mike on 9/9/2007 at 1:35:26 PM
Cant find any info in archives for a royal scot. WHY?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    posted by Kevin on 9/9/2007 at 3:21:39 PM
I have a Royal Scot. I would sell parts off it if you need anything. It's a men's bike, three-speed, 26 inch, cable brakes and large chrome chainguard.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: posted by Warren on 9/9/2007 at 6:10:11 PM
If you can't find info then they weren't made in the millions like Raleighs, Hercules, Humbers, Sunbeams, BSA. Or they were made by one of these manufacturers and it's impossible to track it. As fastidious as Brits are/were about many things, the archiving of the history of bicycle manufacturing leaves lots to be desired. With all due respect to our friends across the pond.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: posted by nate on 9/10/2007 at 5:17:14 AM
Just type royal scot or royal scott into that black google search box at the top of any page.
There are pages and pages of information on them in the oldroads archives.

AGE / VALUE:   Correct headlamp bulb posted by: David Poston on 9/9/2007 at 9:56:33 AM
Does anyone know the correct screw-in bulb to select from www.reflectalite.com for my c. 1940s-50s Everready battery headlamps? I have modified these using two "C" cells.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acetylene headlamps (cont.) posted by: David Poston on 9/9/2007 at 9:54:15 AM
(OK, we need to get a new board system here. Normally, a reply brings the thread to the top, but in this case, it stays on the next page if it is more than a few days old!)

Here goes...

Thanks for the links. Is it really true that these were produced until the 1930s-40s? It seems odd, given the availability of electric lamps by this time. If it will look right on my Sunbeam, I want one!

OK, I am tempted to bid on this one. What do you guys think?


Pete, do you have any in good condition you might be interested in selling?

Thanks all,

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acetylene headlamps (cont.) posted by Pete on 9/9/2007 at 1:44:45 PM
I don't know for sure when they stopped mass producing the lamps but they were certainly in use well into the forties.They are still being produced new in India.Use the links from before if you are concerned about having a lamp that is far too old for your Sunbeam that way you will be able to select a later lamp that would be more in keeping for the Sunbeam, but bear in mind back in those days people looked after their possesions and cherished them so chances are you would have seen a twenty year old lamp on a 1930's bike etc when it was new.Not like todays throw away society where an item gets used for a while then discarded.Either way a carbide lamp would not look out of place and will give you hours of fun.I would suggest one with a black finish for the Sunbeam but the choice is yours.Try and buy one complete if possible with undamaged glass etc.As said before seals can be made,jets can be cleaned and splits can be repaired.The internal concave reflectors can get bad but these can also be remade with a bit of ingenuiety.(I used a large socket,some heat, a press and former with a hammer to make several from aluminium.After a flat and polish up with metal polish on a high speed fibre pad they came up really nicely) Unfortunately after all the effort that went into them they will not be getting sold.Be patient and the right one will turn up at the right price.
Good luck in your search Pete.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acetylene headlamps (cont.) posted by Pete on 9/9/2007 at 2:59:10 PM
Look here http://www.websolutionswa.com/lamps/cbicycle.htm to verify that carbide lamps were produced circa 1940.Also have a look here http://www.ciderheadz1.f2s.com/carbidelamp/ to see one of my lamps that is in my opinion the sort of thing that would look right on your Sunbeam.It is a Miller model 4a and is used on my 1934 Raleigh in conjunction with a rear oil lamp.Bright nickel plated or polished brass lamps look a bit too much on a 30's bike (my opinion) Also look here http://www.jkdey.com/products.htm to see the new lamps still being produced in India today. There are currently several black lamps on ebay UK that are complete but in need of loving and a new home,,,,hint hint.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acetylene headlamps (cont.) posted by David Poston on 9/9/2007 at 9:17:42 PM
OK, Pete and all, I finally have taken some pics of my Sunbeam:


(Drooling towel required)

So...I guess an all-black acetylene lamp would be in keeping with the finish of the All-Black Royal Sunbeam, but somehow methinks that brass would stand out nicely and add some contrast. Too gaudy?


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acetylene headlamps (cont.) posted by Pete on 9/10/2007 at 1:02:05 AM
Lovely bike you got there,I purchased one identical on behalf of a mate and it was really sad to pass it on as I wanted to keep it for myself,I'm hoping it will come back one day.Must be an unusual sight in the states.How did it get there? I have seen the proper gear changer on ebay uk several times, I'll keep my eye open when I'm trolling through the listings as usual.Back to the lamp,,,get one of each,,,,problem solved and twice the fun!
Cheers Pete.