AGE / VALUE:   Watch out for the unexpected! AIEEEEHHH! OW! posted by: Chris on 9/7/2007 at 6:12:48 AM
Lovely, morning commute, apple trees, winding paths, bridges, little jet black squirrels that behave like they have sprung feet. A down hill, tree covered path before a bridge over a river. Perhaps I'll see more giant carp in this river?

As I approached the bridge at speed there are two large posts set in cement one on each side then two more, also one on each side.

I shrieked, and set the bike to go between the posts and i did it successfully. To fail would have prevented me from this report.

I cannot fathom the purpose for this idiotic crazyness.

They do this as a security measure so you can't drive your car thru a bank or a 7 - 11 or a store but with a bridge in the middle of nowhere?

I am outraged!

I need a group of fellow cyclists with cameras that can ride with me and film me crashing into these posts and breaking my neck. It won't be too hard to kill myself if I hit it just right. Then we ( I mean, they, (my cyclist buddies and heirs) can sue the hell out of the city of Farmington Hills, Michigan
They can put a shrine with my picture by the bridge and enjoy the money is all I ask.
There was no reason for this and somebody needs to come along and hit them with a nice wrongful death lawsuit.

Everybody please be careful out there.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch out for the unexpected! AIEEEEHHH! OW! posted by Chris on 9/7/2007 at 6:29:48 AM
I'm sure other people have hit this and gotten hurt too.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch out for the unexpected! AIEEEEHHH! OW! posted by Chris on 9/7/2007 at 10:50:11 AM
Perhaps, so motorcycles can't use the bridge? or as an anti snowmobile preventative measure?

I will be grappling with this until I get an answer. You round the corner and WHAM! there these posts are.

Even if I proced at a sane and slow and ..... normal pace it is still a danger and an infuriatingly stupid thing to have there.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch out for the unexpected! AIEEEEHHH! OW! posted by sam on 9/7/2007 at 7:04:29 PM
Same thing on the San Antonio missions bike path.
Don't know why????

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch out for the unexpected! AIEEEEHHH! OW! posted by Chris on 9/9/2007 at 11:30:39 AM
I need 20 people to pool together life insurance money. You'll need an "acidental death policy" Insure me for 5 million as soon as it 's in force let me know. I'll hit the pole and break my neck while somebody films our ride.
File a lawsuit against the city of Farmington Hills.
Erect a monument with my picture and enjoy the money.
I died doing something I love. The freedom, peace and beauty of the bike trail.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch out for the unexpected! AIEEEEHHH! OW! posted by Chris on 9/9/2007 at 11:54:27 AM
Perhaps the lovely lady in the range rover will take me home, up to bed and nurse me back to health? After cutting me off and nearly killing me.

Dream on! I know. I got the finger.

Sewer grates, opening car doors, posts and poles, gravel everybody is yaking on their cell phone.EVERYBODY!

I remember a bike shop pal who rode a motorcycle and he wore these metal toe boots, big boots, leather motorcycle boots and if you cut Mark off or ticked him off, he twisted the throttle and zoomed up and started to kick the heck out of your door or other car body part and then he took off.
"She almost killed me!" I remember Mark telling me about it.

I was sitting in the library and witnessed a woman with a baby in a stroller almost get run over by another woman. At the library in front of a police station. The one woman flipped out and with her high heel shoe she kicked the crap out of the womans car door and did massive dammage!
Did I mention that this happened in front of a police station?

It was frightening to witness. If she can do that kind of damage to sheet metal what can those high heeled shoes do to me and my bit*? I won't ever disrespect women in high heel shoes or my buddy Mark for that matter.
People are messed up. Drunk, angry. Pissed off with her husband's mom over housekeeping so she's doing another fellow just to spite the husband. They're married, have a child but hey it's a golf course, in the moonlight and you only live once, right? Buddy drove me home at speeds of over 100 plus. I won't ride with him again!
Compared to othe rpeople I have led a timid, tame, safe, booring, little life and and when lady mischif looks at me and asks, I will tell her what I always say.

Oh no, We better not do that!

Riding on the side of the road I get honked at, yelled at and they don't give me room and it's just a matter of time before somebody comes up from behind and runs me over. It'll be some drunk, sexy 19 year old, returning from a party, angry at her boyfriend. I'll hear: "Oh dude, I'm soooo sorry for running your ass over"

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: sciencemonster on 9/6/2007 at 6:36:02 PM
Anyone know of a source for SA cogs? I am looking for a 24T, and Harris is asking $15 shipping - that is a little high for my sensibilities.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by al fickensher on 9/6/2007 at 7:17:22 PM
I believe that Harris is actually out-of-stock on that cog. I bought a 25T cog from Mark Stonich.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by sciencemonster on 9/6/2007 at 7:47:32 PM
Yea, I sent him an email but he didn't reply, so I assumed he was out.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by sciencemonster on 9/6/2007 at 7:47:34 PM
Yea, I sent him an email but he didn't reply, so I assumed he was out.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by sciencemonster on 9/6/2007 at 7:47:36 PM
Yea, I sent him an email but he didn't reply, so I assumed he was out.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by sciencemonster on 9/6/2007 at 7:49:53 PM
AHHHHHH! I SWEAR I only pressed Post Reply once! Really!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/7/2007 at 2:16:05 AM
Hey... if it's worth saying... it's worth saying... thrice. ;-) Try I procured a 22T cog from them... for $8 SHIPPED.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by al fickensher on 9/8/2007 at 6:34:05 AM
Boneman got hisself a 22T-er but the man wants a 24t-er. The Shimano 22T cogs are regularly available from any LBS which buys from QBP (a distributer) and maybe from other wholesalers as well. I have 22T Shimano cogs on all my S/A bikes but 24 just ain't in stock anywhere right now.

On the Harris website you don't learn that till you actually try to put one "in your shopping cart".

Oh well, if I'dve found a 24 I would'na bought the 25 from Mark Stonich and I am very glad to have that on my NEXUS-4 that I put on a beater bike grocery-getter Schwinn Racer. The 46-25 combo is just right for the NEXUS 1st gear which is a 1:1 internal ratio. The other three gears are "overdrives".

MISC:   Indian Princes ? posted by: Drew on 9/6/2007 at 12:45:42 PM
Looking for any info on this bike....looks like 1950's,

   RE:MISC:   Indian Princes ? posted by Brian on 9/6/2007 at 3:49:40 PM
made by Phillips in England, rear SA hub should be dated, what else do you need to know?


AGE / VALUE:   Royal Prince by Hercules posted by: Josh on 9/6/2007 at 8:23:53 AM
i recently aquired a girls frame bike - a Royal Rrince made by Hercules. I can't seem to find much info on the history or age(ing) of this bike. i want to fix/clean it up for my girlfriend to use to get around in the city. but i want to avoid molesting anything that might be more rare/valuable than i give it credit for. can anyone help me with some info or where to find some for this bike? here's some info on it.

the head tube badge lables it as a Royal Prince made by Hercules in Bermingham, England.

the S/N is found on the left rear drop out. it is 10419WR (although the R might be a P)

the hub is not a surmey-archer, but it is an internal geared hub. it has no date stamp on it, but the info stamped on the hub indicates it is a B Type 3 by Hercules, England.

other features include a Lucas generator (CD33A) with a small bullet-shaped rear light and a large bullet-shaped headlamp. Rubber handgrips that are pretty old and beat, but a large "H" with "Hercules" logo can be seen in both. and rubber pedals with "Hercules" name on each.

thanks for any help anyone can provide. j

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Prince by Hercules posted by Chris on 9/6/2007 at 9:21:33 AM
Do a wikipedia search for: Hercules cycle and Motor Co.

Go to Made in on the web.

Fit new tires and tubes, do a headset overhaul, do a bottom bracket overhaul, replace gear cables and brake shoes if it needs it.

ride and enjoy it.

Get a repair book at your local bookstore or study the Sturmey- Archer hub exploded drawings and repair information on: "tony Hadlands website" on the web.

go the the official Sturmey- Archer website and look over the historical section

the Sturmey- Archer A.W. 3 speed is identical exactly as your Hercules B type 4 hub. The parts interchange.

Any questions ask us. Need step by step instruction?
we will give it here. Need parts? ask us.

Congratulations on finding the Royal Prince ! Its a sweet little bike!
A lot of fun awaits you.

parts are out there on e- bay too. you can find anything you need!
Don't be scared.

You are on the very best web site on the internet. You just stick with the hang here on I'm just one out of many who love old bikes. Everybody else here is more mature and stable and saner then myself but the great thing is we all know what we are talking about because we have these bikes ourselves and we know how to sail the waters of vintage bicycle use, care and restoration!
You are in excellent company!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Prince by Hercules posted by ken on 9/6/2007 at 9:22:35 AM
I had one and did a little research. I think your original plan is good- IMO it's not a significant collectible. Sheldon Brown has some Hercules info- he points out that the Hercules hubs, before they were absorbed by Raleigh, had threaded sprockets that made them better than Sturmey-Archer for doing interesting hybrid gearing experiments... yours is presumably pre 1956 or so. It's bulletproof and you won't hurt its value by riding it, but being 'vintage' it deserves care.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Royal Prince by Hercules posted by josh on 9/6/2007 at 10:32:23 AM
thanks for the info and the encouragement. i haven't worked with a bike quite this old, but i'm looking forward to getting started. i'll try my best to keep everything as it was.

chris, it is a sweet little bike actually. in fact it might be a bit small, but we'll see. the seat tube height is about 21" (53cm) and the top tube (if there was one - distance from head tube to seat tube) is also about 21" (53cm). so i don't see me putting too many miles on it as i'm about 6' tall, but hopefully its not too small for my girlfriend.

one question, ken; how did you come up with the pre-1956 estimate? i came across most of the references you suggested (in fact i've really dug reading most of sheldon brown's site after coming across it when i found my 1977 superiour). i haven't really found any serial number references for any hercules pre-raleigh aquisition. i figured it might be pre-raleigh (1960) based on the hercules hub and the head tube badge, but other than that i wasn't sure where to look. i guess i'm just curious.

anyway, thanks again.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Royal Prince by Hercules posted by Spencer on 9/8/2007 at 1:09:03 PM
Information on Hercules bikes is hard to come by, I myself have a Royal Imperial. It's got a SA hub dated 1960, and thus it is pre-Raleigh. Though you can also tell that by the fact that it was made in Birmingham and not Nottingham.

If you ever find serial numbers, please post them here! I would love to see a list. But I won't hold my breath. ;)

Your best bet is really to just fix it up and enjoy it, don't worry to much about figuring out more about it. It's really difficult to do so.

I'd recommend calling around local bike shops to see if there is anyone who works on the older three speeds, they may be able to help you out with repairs, restoration and information.

I want replacement parts available. headsets, bottom brakets cups. I want spindles so I can change them myself, regrease and overhaul and slap in a new set so I am ALWAYS RIDING ON SHARP NEW PARTS. I TAKE A SHOWER AND CHANGE MY SOCKS EVERY DAY. SO I WANT TO CHANGE BICYCLE PART COMPONETS EVERY MONTH AND ALWAYS HAVE THE CYCLE HANDLE AND TURN AND BEHAVE LIKE A NEW BIKE.