FOR SALE:   Raleigh R20 For Sale posted by: Thom J. on 10/7/2008 at 10:53:58 AM
I've decided to sell my Raleigh R20 folder and am posting here to give those who would most appreciate it the first option to buy. I've had it for almost 2 years but am not using it in the way I intended; weekend vacation trips. Would prefer someone in the Los Angeles, Ca area who could pick up rather than having to cartonize and ship it. Have a photo on my reader page on this site, Thom J. Drop me a line if you have an interest. Otherwise, I'll be advertising it later this month in the Recycler. Thx again, Thom.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 10:51:55 AM
I didn't see this posted here prior... hopefully, not a tautological post...

I WANT ONE OF THESE...

http://www.pashley.co.uk/products/guvnor-3-speed.html

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Warren on 10/7/2008 at 6:12:55 PM
Nice...check out the 24 inch frame with the double top tube.

http://www.pashley.co.uk/guvnor/models.html
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 6:39:25 PM
Absolutely. These are anachronisms for certain. Funny... the pics of the three speed models seem to be lacking shifter cables. ;-)

Does Pashley ship to the states, I wonder?

Yeah... pricey... but darn they're sweet machines...

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - path racer... indeed.

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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Matthew on 10/8/2008 at 11:09:55 AM
Mr Boneman,

Were you asleep in my class on 01/01/08? During my lecture on the excellent products of Messrs Pashley and Co?

Mr Hodder - well?
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/8/2008 at 4:17:25 PM
Not at all. Pashleys have been personal drool-fodder for quite some time. I believe... perhaps incorrectly... that the Guv'nor is a new offering.

It was featured in an high-end "Design" related periodical that someone had at work. I'll pursue and find out what exactly the publication was....

I saw a pic of it on the cover... and all other info pursuant to the publication became moot....

One feller is so fired up at work over it he's emailed them pursuant to possibly acquiring.

Maybe we gan get a multi-machine shipping discount.

Now... if part of "Class" was pursuant to getting them across the pond here... I must have either been asleep... or in the loo....

Perhaps a bit of remedial revue if there's info available. I would pay the price and the freight to have a Guv'nor here in the states.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Well and GOOD ;-)

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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Matthew on 10/9/2008 at 11:30:19 AM
Sorry Larry,

I thought you would get the drift. I posted about the Guv'nor on 1st Jan this year!

You may have commented at the time but I doubt it given your recent and properly enthusiastic message on this occasion.

Matthew - far too cryptic?
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/9/2008 at 5:11:48 PM
Ah... weel that be it then...... Forgive me as I've once again been migraine afflicted and when in such a state subtlety, unfortunately, is lost on me. A shame too as I much appreciate it.

I did manage to get a copy of the periodical... a nice writeup on the Guv'nor and Pashley on the whole.... I've only had a chance to skim it... but I saw an "aside" reference that leads me to believe that perhaps they are venturing forth and pursuing a Distributorship here in the U.S.

I'll post back once I get the time to actually READ the article.

If they're selling them here in the States... I'm afraid I verily well must have one.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Subtle as breaking wind in an elevator (lift)...


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Thom J. on 10/10/2008 at 4:04:15 PM
I think the North Road Bicycle Company is still importing Pashleys; www.northroadbicycle.com. They also handle Moulton's bikes which I was looking into a while ago. The guy I e-mailed was Gilbert Anderson. Kinda pricy but really....really nice bikes. Thom
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Guvnor.... DROOLING TOWEL RECOMMENDED posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:31:52 AM
These guys import them.

http://www.britishbicycle.com/

Odd though... they're based in Phoenix AZ. Not exactly propinquitous with any seaports that I'm familiar with.

Nor are they quick to respond to the email. Though I sent it from my work address.... perhaps there's something about that which would trigger a SPAM filter....

I'll give them 'til noon Monday then fire off another missive.

Meanwhile... they only list the single speed Guv'nor.... and it's dubiously prices at $1800 (thereabouts)

That beastly Abley frame I have downstairs.... It may still be there for a reason....



Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - GAD = Guv'nor Acquisition Disorder
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MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by: Keith on 10/6/2008 at 4:12:11 PM
I bought, cleaned up and have been commuting on this bike for the last week. I really like it and I'm interested in some more information along with any comments. Judging by the rear fender stay mount, I'm guessing it is a Nottingham, Raleigh made bike. Assuming the rear hub is original, it's a 1964. I've discovered the following decals and markings:
Head badge-ROYAL
Down tube-GUARANTEED GENUINE ENGLISH LIGHT WEIGHT
Seat tube-MADE IN ENGLAND FOR D.P. HARRIS HDW. & MRG. CO. ROLLFAST BUILDING NEW YORK
Bottom Bracket-1671213 79
Rear Fender-ROYAL BRITAIN MADE
Hub-STURMEY ARCHER AW 64 3 THREE SPEED
Rims-26X1 3/8 DUNLOP E.A.3 MADE IN ENGLAND
Pedals-MADE IN ENGLAND
Trigger-STURMEY ARCHER ENGLAND 3 SPEED
Saddle-VISCOUNT MADE IN TAIWAN

So far I have replaced the old "Western Auto" tires and tubes, replaced all cables and housings, added a kick stand and plan to service the bottom bracket and replace the mattress saddle with a leather sprung saddle.

Thank you in advance for any information.


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   RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 5:38:02 PM
I don't "have permission" to view the private photo... nonetheles... sounds like a wonderful machine. If you want a bit more authenticity, lose the seat and get a Brooks off Ebay for it.

Raleigh Industries made many brands after all manufacturing was "consolidated". Sounds like this one was perhaps made exclusively for "Rollfast" as they were there own brand here in the US.

Sort of like how the Huffy "Sportsman" was made in the U.K. and badged accordingly.

Either way, obviously British and you're absolutely in the right place.

Best of luck with it and ride safe!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Roll Brittania? Where has P.C. been of late?
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   RE:RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Chris on 10/6/2008 at 6:01:20 PM
I want to go to New York and see the Rollfast building.
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   RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Keith on 10/6/2008 at 7:55:39 PM
I think I fixed the security issue on the photo. Sorry about that. I found this bike in the basement of a house that I was given a tour of next to a job site I was working at. With out knowing anything about these bikes, I offered and bought it for $40. It had an unbelievable amount of grease all over it which I think helped protect it all these years. I could hardly believe how nice the chrome and paint cleaned up. The hub works great. I'm planning to put a Pletscher type 3 rear rack on it with a Wald wire basket for utility purposes. I've been looking on E-bay for a brooks, but for what they are selling for, I'm tempted to buy a Persons Apollo saddle. A new one goes for about as much as a used Brooks. Anyone have experience with these? Thanks for the responses. It's been a great thrill learning so much about English 3-speeds this last week.


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   RE:RE:MISC:   Looking for Info: Royal 3-Speed posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 3:13:43 AM
Ah, pics speak volumes. She's in apparantly excellent shape and has responded well to your efforts. The non-original seat actually looks "right" on the machine. I was thinking it was an horrid moulded plastic unit from Wal*Mart or some such place.

The earlier machines, i.e., pre 1970's vintage had much better chrome and tend to really "pop" when attended to. The Pletscher Rack you seek would be spot-on for this machine as well.

I see the leaves are down in your locale... I like fall... alas, abhor the season that follows...

Nice looking velocipede... well worthy of having been retrieved from the dungeon and resurrected! You're correct as to the Nottingham manufacture. Pre-Raleigh, the stay attachements would be above and not behind the dropouts.

Ride it. That's what it lives for!

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Keep 'em rolling!
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MISC:   Abley Roadster = Miller Lighting System posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 1:20:32 PM
So I've had this Abley sitting around forever now... never really assembled it as it's actually quite poor quality. What it does have on it though, is a rather nice Miller lighting system. Headlight that slips right on the existing stem based bracket, bottle gennie with tail light.

I'm thinking of taking it off there... and swapping it onto the DL-1 that is currently equipped with a Ramper system that's just odd looking.

I'm quite sure the "Miller" system was made in India as well... but it seems far and away much better quality than the balance of the Abley itself.

What would the consensus here be. It certainly has a very classic look to it.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - it's dark out awful early now :-S

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   RE:MISC: Abley Roadster = Miller Lighting System posted by Warren on 10/7/2008 at 6:14:43 PM
I have a Miller lighting kit where the headlamp is made in England and the tilight is made in Scotland. Odd.
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   RE:RE:MISC: Abley Roadster = Miller Lighting System posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/7/2008 at 6:43:10 PM
Hmmm... sounds interesting indeed... almost a political statement at that. ;-)

I'm pretty sure the lighting on the Abley is indian manufacture. I think I may just swap it on the the DL-1 just for fun.

Later!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Steve Miller's uncle is the man.
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by: Doohickie on 10/5/2008 at 9:16:27 PM
I recently acquired a Raleigh DL-1 Tourist. The hub date is 65 12. On the bottom bracket there is a three-digit serial number: 427. That's it, no other numbers, letters, anything. On BikeForums.net, someone who is compiling Raleigh serial numbers said he's seen a three-digit number once before. Any idea what it might mean or when the bike was actually assembled?

My theory is that perhaps Raleigh did a verification run on their tooling periodically, and they would use a different numbering system because these bikes were not intended to be sold to the public, but a few slipped through the cracks.

Has anyone else heard of anything like this?


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 10:51:10 AM
Nice machine regardless of the number. I don't think those reflectors in the spokes are original though. ;-)

Interesting basket arrangements as well. Is that "as found" or added post-procurement?

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - a tisket a tasket....
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 10/6/2008 at 2:51:34 PM
I put the baskets on. The rest of the bike is pretty much as bought.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/6/2008 at 5:41:05 PM
Those are some serious baskets for certain. My hat's off to you there... I try to keep the GVW of my DL-1 to an absolute minimum and even re-geared she can sometimes be a bit daunting on the hills.

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone


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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 10/7/2008 at 10:26:42 AM
I find that riding this thing around is an excellent training regime; it makes riding bikes with more gears downright easy.
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   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 10/11/2008 at 5:41:05 AM
A most excellent observation... There's a couple of men I work with that ride competitively... they're rather highly ranked as well... racing in Europe and such...

I keep telling them.... Hop on my DL-1 and train on that thing for a month. Then on Race Day, drad your rolling cloud out and SMOKE the competition!

Cheers!

Larry "Boneman" Bone - Yes, I call them "Rolling Clouds"
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh with 3 digit serial number on frame posted by Doohickie on 10/11/2008 at 11:08:26 AM
No insight into the 3-digit serial number though, huh?
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