AGE / VALUE:   Norman posted by: Scott on 1/17/2008 at 11:35:51 PM
I am looking for info on a Norman bike.Well,not so much a bike but a frame.It has the tabs to fit a pump on the down tube.It fits a 28" wheel.Here's a pic of the head badge.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.......TBG


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman posted by Bill on 1/20/2008 at 9:00:19 PM
There is a Norman Cycles Club still at it. They have a homepage: Most of the members are preoccupied with the Norman motorcycle and their shoes are soaked with oil. Nonetheless, they do have a bicycle catalogue from the 1950s on their website which you might find useful. My prewar Invader is a fine velocipede indeed.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Norman posted by Craig on 1/20/2008 at 9:23:40 PM
Here's a link to the used cycles page at Cycles of Yesteryear:

Scroll down and you will see an old Norman he has for sale. It doesn't draw as much as an old Raleigh but is interesting none the less.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman posted by Scott on 1/22/2008 at 10:53:14 PM
Thanks.Those were informative but still haven't found a model like mine.All the one's in the catalogue are 26" wheel.I didn't see a single 28" model.The search continues.Thanks again.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Norman posted by Scott on 1/22/2008 at 10:53:27 PM
Thanks.Those were informative but still haven't found a model like mine.All the one's in the catalogue are 26" wheel.I didn't see a single 28" model.The search continues.Thanks again.

AGE / VALUE:   Powertoys posted by: Steve on 1/13/2008 at 3:43:47 PM
Just a quick thankyou message to all for prompting me to forward photos.
I knew how to do this but hadn't got a clue on how to resize from my high kb rating to a size that could be accepted on the oldroads site.
Thanks Larry for the microsoft powertoys info.
I've reduced the size from approx 770kb down to 150kb,I'm now going to have a look at the gallery procedure and hope that it works out o.k.

Steve thanks a lot.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Powertoys posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/16/2008 at 3:26:40 AM
You're most welcome, Steve. I've not used any of the other powertoys... but that image resizer is THE BOMB... I have an 8Mpixel Rebel and while it's an outrageous camera... the files it creates (upards of 4Mbytes for one compressed JPEG) are a bit cumbersome for emailing / web veiwing.

The re-sizer makes very short work of that lemme tellya!


Larry "Boneman" Bone - A picture may be worth a thousand words... but the words will always download faster.....

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lights for 12 volt dynohub posted by: John on 1/12/2008 at 9:14:50 PM
I have a 1938 Humber with a 12 volt dynohub. Alas, no headlight or taillight. Any thoughts on a lamp that would work with this dyno? Thanks!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Lights for 12 volt dynohub posted by Matthew on 1/13/2008 at 1:45:45 PM

Hi John,

the link above will take you to a bike with a set of lamps similar to those you should be seeking. Avoid anything square in profile or constructed entirely of plastic. 1930s lamps would be steel or bakelite. They wouldn't necessarily be all chrome either but would be enamel finished with chrome lamp rims and tin or chrome plated reflectors. Wiring diagrams are available elsewhere, perhaps on Sheldon Brown's website.

Matthew - illuminating discussion

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lights for 12 volt dynohub posted by John McCann on 1/13/2008 at 2:51:18 PM
Hi Matthew:

Thanks for the info. One of my challenges is that the light bracket is broken. Need to find one of those, too. That's what makes all this fun! Kurt K helped me figure out the bike is probably a Humber Dawn. I picked it up yesterday from a fellow who was moving and didn't want to take it along. It's ride-able but very worn. At least it's in tough shape because it's been ridden for many years, not because it was neglected behind a garage. It shifts great, rod brakes work. Paint's dull but intact. Every chrome surface is rusted pretty heavily. In addition to the 12V dynohub, the other interesting things are black brake linkages and the original SA thumb shifter with the very looooong trigger. Way cool. Needs some TLC but once the snow melts I'll be out and about with it. I also have a 73 Raleigh DL-1 that had been kicked to the curb and a Royal Scot DL-1 clone from a yard sale. Both are up and running great. One thing about rod brake bikes...they make you think ahead!

I have a light set from a 54 Sports with the 6V dynohub. Would that work so long as I put in a 12V bulb, or do you think there's more to it?

Thanks again, Matthew! Glad to join the forum. Love those 3 speeds.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by: Thom J. on 1/10/2008 at 10:15:41 AM
I've been watching this e-bay item #230210409844. Looks pretty good to me but I don't know that much about the rod lever braked Raleigh bikes. No bidders as yet so I'm guessing the starting bid price is too high. I'd like to ad one of these to my collection. Do any of you folks think it's worth the money? Thx in advance, Thom.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Thom J. on 1/15/2008 at 9:23:05 AM
Well...... I was out-bid. The bike went for $320.00. I'll just have to keep looking. Thanks for all you inputs. Thom.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/16/2008 at 3:28:41 AM
Drat... well, don't be too discouraged. They are out there. Sometimes you get lucky.


Larry "Boneman" Bone - DL-1's for EVERY ONE!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Thom J. on 1/16/2008 at 10:33:01 AM
Thanks Larry and Kevin for all your info. I know I'll find another one. I noticed that Vin hinted at one that may be coming available on this site. If that's a real possibility, please drop me a line with the particulars. Luv the old three-speeds. Now if I can only sell the Univega......Thom.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Tom on 1/10/2008 at 3:28:39 PM
If I was in the area Iwould buy it and think it is worth that much and more. Whitewalls, Brooks saddle, saddle bag, orig paint and very nice shape. Bid away

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/11/2008 at 6:57:02 PM
A nice machine indeed. Best of luck with the auction. If you've not yet ridden one of these, you're in for a real treat. Not the fastest or nimblest ride for certain...

It's hard to describe the experience....

For there really is nothing else quite like it.

Do relieve it of those dubious reflectors too. I can't stand those things!


Larry "Boneman" Bone - the right words have escaped...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Kevin on 1/11/2008 at 8:00:37 PM
Someone called it a "stately" ride. I think that describes it pretty well. It's sort of a Pierce-Arrow in a world full of Toyota Corollas.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL-1 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/12/2008 at 5:35:59 AM
Stately is one of the words I was thinking of. Graceful... another. Stil... not exactly the succinctes adjective for the ride.

If there were a caste system in the velocipede realm (yeah, I know... there is)... perhaps "Noble" would apply.

Pierce-Arrow.... Deusenburg... yeah... kinda like that, eh?



Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:   Hearts of Lions book and chasing the wheels posted by: Chris on 1/9/2008 at 8:18:56 AM
I'm reading the Peter Nye Book, Hearts of Lions the story of American bicycle racing. I read 15 minutes before falling asleep. Peter and I did not hit it off well. I decided not to share info with him and the book suffered.
I found him arrogant. I am sorry but thats what I felt.

Peter mentions at the end of the book, that things are hidden in steamer trunks and it is very true!

You have to have the meeting go off on a good footing, you have to be there, have money, do your research.

Me, I was into old rod brake bicycles having just acquired a Umberto Dei Roadster and the guys in the shop thought the "batty old lady was just right up your alley Chris" The batty old lady was somebody very special and she held the collection! I got the address met her, went to the house on Cadieux and bought the track bike, three other bikes, a metal turning lathe, a wooden chest full of frame tools, some Italian derailers not found in the history books (Campagnolo) There is a bar called the Cadieux Cafe but Mrs. Steiger didn't care for the fellow and I had to promise not to sell or share stuff with them. Dispite the fact they were enthiusiasts.
She started up the conversation with " My Poppa made me a new bicycle fork after I broke it in a trolley track"

Turns out her poppa raced in Belgium and was very close to Tullio.
The room spun, I got dizzy. It is true that my own adventures as a bicycle collector from the Detroit area did bring my fabric weaving across and over some really big names of Cycling.

Farber Cycle and Hobby
Ceasar Debates (the family)
Gene Portuisi
Another lady rider from the Spartan club who wants her privacy respected but I did get the Flying Scot track bike and more book material.
I did manage to track down the granddaughter of Mrs. Steiger and I do now have the book of family history with the press clippings and I have enough info to do a proper book on Debaytes. it's in a safe in Michigan.

I wish I kept the track bike and collection of prototype Campagnolo bits. But I did go back and get the book and I did do an interview with the daughter and granddaughter
I have a roll of color film that has just been developed and I'm glad to report it is the long lost track bike pictures I took and those will be included in my write up.

Something I have found interesting is if you are young and bright eyed and if you are not connected to the collectors, if you tell them you just like old bikes. Period!
- don't tell them you sell at the swap meets.
-Don't tell them you sell on e- bay.-Don't know them or let them recognize who you are in this.
Don't brag or be arrogant.

Be plain and true and keep the innocent aura of just being sold out to old bikes!

They will delight in giving their middle finger to the collectors who have hounded them over the years and mainstream bike people the main stream folks who the person who holds the collection of bike goodies knows of.
They will ask who are you and you had better be a nobody whose name does not mean anything of.

They will say "Come here!"
They'll open up the stash that will make your eyes bulge and because they dont want it going to folks who they know now that they are getting out and retiring and selling off. No they will delight in messing over all the folks who tried to get it, giving the finger to the collectors who tried to pry open the cave.

They'll sell to you, then. And I have said about keeping cash on your body. You had better be ready and with a truck. I picked up a collection and flipped it to a pal and when I gave the name when I should not have, he went after the guy and demanded why it was sold to me and not to him and they got into it and I was sorry. The fellow did not like joe and if I had not come along it was going to be destroyed and buried in land fil. I came along and he liked me but he was ticked that I knew Joe and he was mad at me for selling it and selling it to Joe. Joe said to me, You are a nobody in this and you wind up with his stash when he retires! He was cursing the guy and shaking his head at me in disbelief and I sold out and I made a profit. I know him for years and he sells to you who just strolls up? This is what happens.
Looking back I wish I kept it all.
Working alone is key
being quiet and low key is all important.
Also dumpster divers find the really good stuff because people get disgusted and throw stuff away so it never sees the light of day. People delight in telling the collector who calls that its gone and thrown out and I have seen things thrown out because of so and so in the business who wanted it and I don't like them so they get crappy. Joe Dimaggio said "Why should this person make money off of me? without my cut?" He fought! People get shitty, it's business and personal and private and what is going to be offered is not going to be the good stuff or the best stuff.
They say the good stuff is underneath the bar. Take it and get the hell out of there before they change their mind or before the kids come home!
People go a step further and throw the good stuff out when they retire and we know what happens when somebody dies. I've seen things destroyed before it's thrown out. So if you dumpster dive for things you find no reward. Like the bookstore who rips covers off and tears books and pours coffee and sticky sryup on the stuff so you get all sticky and the books cannot be re-sold.
I've been in places and discovered stuff and you know there is somebody who did not want you finding the stuff for reasons and it's not just that they don't want you to make money off of the stuff that was theirs but that is a large part of it.

I have been told that these people are still alive or the family wants their privacy respected and I sit and read Classics rendezvous and I cannot e- mail and fill them in on the answer or questions they seek because it will get me into trouble with folks I know who want what they told me to remain private. Oh, this is weird, people are nuts, the stuff that is out there in incredible, I have had fun, triumph, tragedy, missed and caught the incredible things and times.\
Paris Hilton has sullied the family name and so is not deserving the inheritance so the bulk is going to charity! My pal has written out a daughter because of her drug use and thefts and I'm the only one let in to see the collection...

Keep chasing this stuff because you never know what the tide will bring in!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hearts of Lions book and chasing the wheels posted by Chris on 1/9/2008 at 9:51:19 AM
Another thing.
If you are a young person hang out with and befriend the older folks.

You'll learn things, be in better company, stay out of trouble and generally be better off for it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hearts of Lions book and chasing the wheels posted by Chris on 1/9/2008 at 10:01:57 AM
The dead sea scrolls were discovered by a Bedouin boy who thew a rock into a cave. The rock hit a clay container and made a unique sound. So he went in to investigate it. He sold the dead sea scrolls for like $20.00 in the market.

Today, Biblical scholars lean over the texts with magnifying lens and well, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was a major deal.
The boy didn't know what he had and he got ripped off.

Be that boy, throw your rocks into caves. Stir up something.

Say it. "I'm so and so and I'm looking for old bicycles."
People will stop and pause and think and hook you up and next thing you know you are walking down stairs, or up attic steps or wherever.

Just like in: Indiana Jones movies there will be rivals and snakes to contend with.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hearts of Lions book and chasing the wheels posted by Chris on 1/17/2008 at 10:53:18 AM
Reading the Peter Nye book brought back memories! I have the pictures of Debates leaning down, lying down, flat across the bike. The fear was that the sons would sell the collection, so it was left with the daughter.