AGE / VALUE:   Old Raleigh posted by: Christie on 1/23/2008 at 4:16:21 PM
Just got a old raleigh at a garage sale. I cant find any numbers on it. It's turquoise and white. It has and emblem on it that says "Raleigh Nottingham England" and thats it. I would like to find out a little more about this bike. I am going to take some pics today.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Old Raleigh posted by Tom on 1/23/2008 at 4:38:19 PM
Try the links on this site, The year will be stamped on the rear hub and the ser.# should be on the seat post lug under the saddle. I,m new to this too. Good luck

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Old Raleigh posted by Tom on 1/24/2008 at 2:07:06 PM
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ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SW hub posted by: Tom on 1/23/2008 at 11:57:06 AM
I have a 59 Raleigh Sports with a SW hub which has worked great since I acquired this bike for 20 bucks at a thrift store, I have heard horror story's about this hub. anyone have tips to keep it running smooth? Have put easily 2500 miles on this bike, which in now my daily commuter. PS. It is completely silent unlike a friend's AW hub. Tom

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SW hub posted by Christopher on 1/24/2008 at 11:19:30 AM
With unsprung crescent shaped pawls it is supposed to be silent. Silent can be bad, people don't hear the sound of the hub so they don't hear you behind them as you approach.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: SW hub posted by Tom on 1/24/2008 at 12:26:10 PM
I'll try only to run over small children they should learn to be more aware anyway.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: SW hub posted by Tom on 1/24/2008 at 1:03:38 PM
Hope this works not computer savy when come to pics.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SW hub posted by Scott on 1/29/2008 at 9:18:47 PM
Nope.That didn't do it.You've got to use something like Flickr or Photobucket.Makes downloading pics a snap.


AGE / VALUE:   Brakes posted by: Steve on 1/20/2008 at 3:59:19 PM
I know this is probably pretty basic stuff to some of you, but can you put me out of my misery.

I'm somewhat baffled by some of the adverts I come across with bikes advertised as a certain age when it's plainly obvious that they're much younger than indicated hence :-

1, When were cable/caliper brakes first introduced to Roadsters (and any others for that matter)?

2, Having recently had a session or two adjusting (and straightening) rod linkages, removing brake shoes and assembly that attaches to the forks, I noticed that all the brake shoe holders on the Hercules, Raleigh, New Hudson bikes were square (rectangular) in profile but the shoe holders on the Sunbeam are circular (cylinderical) in profile.
I guess there's probably a logical reason for this - is slimmer circular shoe utilised when space is at a premium -is it a fashion era or personal preference thing.

The fully enclosed chainguard (little oil bath) is a lovely thing but it does slow down access to basic maintenance sometimes.

Anyhow, the cone spanner has seen some use today and I've just found high gear on the K4 so things are looking up.
Just waiting for it to stop raining then I can test these things out.

Steve learning all the time.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Brakes posted by sciencemonster on 1/20/2008 at 9:32:01 PM
I've always wondered why people call the full chaincase an 'oil bath' - I can't imagine that anyone would fill it with oil, let alone an engineer would design it to be used that way. What a mess - what an even bigger mess - to change a tire on the road! And why would a chain _need_ an oil bath?

Is that really how a full chaincase is designed to be used?


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Brakes ( Chaincases V.S. Sunberam's little Oilbath hub lubrication. posted by Christopher on 1/21/2008 at 10:38:49 AM
The term "oil bath" is from the ancient days of glory when the Sunbean co. had a gearcase that was the dubbed the "little oilbath" bewcause it was sealed so well that the Sunbeam Co. sold containers of oil that you filled the case with. The chain, and rear hub cog, always ran in oil literally. If you are not careful when working on a sunbeam, this will run out making a mess.

Harrison Carter's chaincase was purchased and used by Sunbeam.
Sunbeam were the best money could buy. Today, they are sought after by collectors.

However,everything else that has an enclosed chaincase
is just a glorified dust cover but you still oil the chain and the oil covers the chainwheel and rear sprocket and it really does prevent dirt and grit and other junk like hair (yes, hair) from getting on the chain. The case keeps the oil from evaporating and getting contaminated by dirt and keeps the oil covered chain off your clothes and hands and it keeps the oil on the chain where it belongs.
Chaincase equiped bikes are awesome! I love them!
It takes longer to change a flat, you have to learn their quirks and they can rattle if not set up right.

One does NOT fill up the chaincase on their Raleigh or Phillips or whatever with oil. You drip it on the chain kinda liberally but the non- Sunbeam case is not sealed and if you over do it it will leak.

The idea works and works well. The chain is quiet and runs along well and the rear hub always has it's cog and ball bearing race running in oil that the hub driver runs on and also, the right side bearings have oil seep into it and the hub and the chain and drivetrain runs very sweetly and well. You still oil the hub thru the oil hole in the hub. Some hubs have TWO oil holes some early hubs have a small oil hole in the side of the screwed ball bearing race cup. Some are flat flip- type some have a sprung ball bearings, some are sprung metal band type, some have an oil hole with rubber grommets that you inject the oil into.
There was a British cycling personality called Harold "Oily" Karslake who was photographed carrying an oil can all the time.
Bottom brackets had an oil port as well. In a non - raleigh bike the covering keeps the oil lightly covering the right side, fixed, bottom bracket ball bearing cup. oiling the pedal spindle cup making for easier removal. Same thing with the Raleigh made machines as well just that the Raleigh has a fixed cup that needs a special tool to remove.

Mark Stonich, of: Bike Smith designs has made a special tool that removes even the most stubborn Raleigh 26 T.P.I. bottom bracket cups.
He has a web site and this awesome, long overdue tool is available as well as other tools.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brakes posted by Chris on 1/21/2008 at 10:51:55 AM
People have lost their minds dealing with the enclosed chaincases while trying to fix a flat or replace a tyre.
Slow down, oh yes, unless you have experience. It is not that hard really.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Brakes posted by Chris on 1/21/2008 at 10:52:47 AM
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   RE:AGE / VALUE: Brakes posted by sam on 1/21/2008 at 11:23:28 AM
Caliper brakes on roadsters go back to when roadsters were hi-wheelers not saftyies as we know them.(yes hi-wheelers were roadsters too,and racers etc)
Enclosed chainguards were ment to pro-long the life of the chain.A nice thing if you live in a part of the world where sand blows and bike shops are 1000s of miles away.These great british roadsters were exported to all parts of the world.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Brakes posted by Steve on 1/23/2008 at 1:38:35 PM
Thanks for the replies folks.
I hadn't realised that cable brakes went back so far in time.
I will also now view the enclosed chainguard in a different light, especially when I'm struggling to retrieve my fingers from between the spokes when I've got the two cover plates in position by the hub.
One thing I have learnt is that I must lengthen the chain slightly on two bikes here to make life easier. At the moment I have no slack whatsoever (dropouts face rearwards and the wheel is all the way home) hence I have to find/remove the split-link before I can extract the wheel.
I just wonder how many years it's been like that ?

Steve - yep still learning.

AGE / VALUE:   royal enfield bicycle posted by: Matt on 1/19/2008 at 5:50:56 PM
I recently bought a royal enfield bicycle with model number 437993 for $5.

can anyone tell me age, value, I may be interested in selling.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: royal enfield bicycle posted by Joe on 1/19/2008 at 6:48:53 PM
We're going to need some pics on this one and some more info.
There were two main generations of Royal Enfield bikes, both were pretty much unrelated to one another other than in name.
There was the older, original Royal Enfield line, circa 40's and 50's, then later on, an American parts supply house ended up with the name and those bikes were mostly cheap Asian copies. There's a 1983 catalog posted at:
There were also model names to go along with a number designation. I am not sure if anyone has a serial number ID list for those or not.
I've had a few of the older, original versions, they were very solid bikes on par with a Raleigh Sports or similar. They were a bit heavier and not quite as detailed or fancy.
Here's another link:


   RE:AGE / VALUE: royal enfield bicycle posted by Matthew on 1/20/2008 at 3:10:56 AM
Hi Folks,

Joe you aren't wrong but you missed the fact that Royal Enfield were in the bicycle business early on in the 20th Century. I have certainly seen an RE bicycle from 1908, a cross frame model.

Matthew - adding to the mix

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: royal enfield bicycle posted by Joe on 1/21/2008 at 3:24:43 AM
I believe they actually came about a little earlier than that as well, the earliest I can tell is about 1898. The years that seem most common though are post war and a few very late model Asian imports that are still around from the 70's and early 80's.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: royal enfield bicycle posted by Chris on 1/21/2008 at 10:46:02 AM
I owned a ladies Royal Enfield from the 1930's and it was the nicest little ladies bike I ever owned. There is a book on Royal Enfield motorcycles out and Tony Hadland ( type in or Tony Hadlands website has a article written by Vic Bott about the Royal Enfield Revelation folding bicycle that was better than the Raleigh Twenty.
The Royal Enfield name lived on longer than it should have, past the death of the original company and has appeared on a lot of junk since so we ask with caution in our voice.

Oh, God yes, we need a picture of the bike. That is an automatic statement in this.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: royal enfield bicycle posted by Chris on 1/21/2008 at 10:47:20 AM
The Aisian imports are the junk I mentioned.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   royal enfield bicycle posted by Matt on 1/21/2008 at 7:57:30 PM
If I can work out how to attach a pic to this message I am happy to send a couple. can anyone tell me how to.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: royal enfield bicycle posted by Kevin on 1/23/2008 at 10:41:41 AM
Interesting point. A real Chicago-made Schwinn is an entirely different beast than the cheap Chinese-made "Schwinns" that now appear at Walmart.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   royal enfield bicycle posted by JDuck on 1/26/2008 at 9:11:23 AM
A friend bought one of those cheap asian Royal Enfields at a garage sale for something like $20. It is the generac three speed. Suntour, I think. At least it says Royal Enfield on it and not Sears or something. What you bought must be worth the $5.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   royal enfield bicycle posted by Chris on 1/29/2008 at 10:07:36 AM
The bike is not worth the oil you put on it. The Suntour hub is the only thing worth having.

AGE / VALUE:   Pennyfake thing posted by: Matthew on 1/19/2008 at 6:17:01 AM
I know we are High wheelers on this DB but I am amazed by the videos of the pennyfakething on Youtube. The idea is so simple as to be plainly amazing. I would encourage you to take a look, but maybe not to try riding one? The 'under your backside' steering makes dismounting a problem but the idea of deraillieur gears (or hub gears) and pneumatic tyres does make the idea more attractive.

Matthew - what ever next.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Pennyfake thing posted by Matthew on 1/19/2008 at 6:25:19 AM
Should read 'I know we are NOT...'