AGE / VALUE:   Can't wait! posted by: Chris on 1/2/2008 at 8:55:24 AM
A fellow has 3 balloon tire bikes he's going to give me but, I have to wait until Saturday when we go to collect them. The waiting is difficult. These are stored with somebody who is away and he won't go there when nobody is home. I have been helping him out, working with him.
They sound nice and I'm excited and can't wait. I'm getting these for free and want to give them to a pal who has helped me out. Maybe he'll forgive my working his territory.....
I'm impatient! What day is today? Wednesday! Arrggghh!
Will let you know what they are and if I get to lay my little paws on them!
Indoor kept, old, I'm drooling at the thought!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Gotta wait longer! posted by Chris on 1/7/2008 at 2:34:48 PM
Waiting another week! They tease me telling me about whitewall balloon tires on the Schwinn too. Will write the update.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Gotta wait longer! posted by Chris on 1/17/2008 at 10:55:17 AM
Turns out he failed to follow thru on his word. Every so often, you can get screwed. Oh well, Next!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Perry rear hub brake posted by: Mal Tyson on 1/1/2008 at 11:56:47 PM
Hi....have a Perry 40 hole Rear hub brake which seems to be in very good condition. Can anyone advise if the older Perry units are worth spoking.

WANTED:   Drooling towels ready? posted by: Matthew on 1/1/2008 at 3:51:47 AM
Oh dear!

It is never wise to look at cycle websites especially the Pashley website.

Look at this!

I have a bad attack of the wants. No chance of affording one but, wow!

Matthew - must not covet.

   RE:WANTED:   Drooling towels ready? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/1/2008 at 6:19:34 AM
That IS most interesting. L795? Dunno how many US greenbacks that is... but it sound like it should be a lot!

At first glance as the images were loading, I thought what I was seeing were celluloid mudguards.... those tyres are something!

Oh... and in the realm of the "Guitar Enthusiast" we have a "disease" for the "wants"... it's called GAS... or... Guitar Acquisition Syndrome.....

I wonder what we could call it when it applies to velocipedes..?


Happy New Year!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:WANTED: Drooling towels ready? posted by Matthew on 1/1/2008 at 8:11:32 AM
Hi Larry,

GAS would be the same as PAS - percussion acquisition syndrome suffered by drummers, which is similar to WAB (What!! Another bike!) as spoken by long suffering spouse / partner / family.

£795 has got to be the best part of $1500 before shipping.

Matthew - where is my piggy bank?

   RE:WANTED:   Drooling towels ready? posted by Steve on 1/1/2008 at 11:23:07 AM
Just got in from the New Years Day family bike ride of something like ten or twelve miles, bikes all cleaned and put away.
Lets have a cup of tea, relax and see if anything doing on the website.

Well, you are never going to believe this but I actually stopped an elderly gentlemen at a supermarket car park in Windsor, Berkshire yesterday to complement and enquire about his bike.
The rodded bike was green with nice big fully enclosed chain guard complete with plenty of minor scratches and dents but it looked good.
Anyhow, it turned out to be a Pashley..... so it's somewhat a coincidence that this name should appear today.

Well Matthew, I've looked at the Pashley site for the first time ever and can't help but be impressed by what's on the menu !

The "guvnor" is a wonderful looking bike but (and this once again shows where my lack of knowledge comes in) where do you ride it these days with it's single speed hub.
I had a similar machine many years ago with 500 horses and no brakes, but there were (and still are) places to ride these beasts. I can just picture the old "leg trailing" action on this particular bike. It's lovely.

Moving on to the "phantom"'s a stunner !

But what happens to the eighty bikes produced ?

Are they put in display cabinets.
Are they purely investment pieces or are they actually used in anger (and if so by who)?
I really can't imagine one being tethered to a lampost in Central London !

Would be interested to hear comments on the above.

Steve who's left oily finger marks on the towels...not me!


   RE:WANTED:   Drooling towels ready? posted by Al Fickensher on 1/1/2008 at 11:33:01 AM
Can't comment on Pashley but I did just last week make two purchases from The Motherland and for each the exchange rate was right at $2 USD per GBP.

   RE:RE:WANTED: Drooling towels ready? posted by Joe on 1/1/2008 at 1:14:20 PM
The current exchange rate changes with the rise and fall of the dollar's value, the current exchange rate for 795 GBP is $1,579.15. Yahoo has an exchange rate calculator at:
Those bikes look great, but are way out of my price range. Besides, part of the fun is riding a true classic. I don't think it would be the same to me if I just went out and bought it. There's something about finding that old dusty, forgotten machine and bringing it back to working condition again all these years later.

   RE:WANTED: Drooling towels ready? posted by Matthew on 1/2/2008 at 3:43:07 PM
Hi Steve, I bet the last Pashley you saw was hard at work delivery the post (mail). Pashley have the current contract for Royal Mail bicycles.

Joe I didn't use a calculator for my guess at the price. I listen to the business news on BBC Radio 4 (try ). I'm glad my guesstimate was near the mark.

Matthew - its in the maths

   RE:WANTED:   Drooling towels ready? posted by Steve on 1/2/2008 at 6:30:59 PM
Thanks Matthew, I hadn't stopped to think for one moment who supplied the Royal Mail bikes. I wonder if the contract comes with a maintenance deal or if they are maintained "in-house". It would be interesting to know how many are produced to fulfil the contract and over what time span.
Sorry, but having been involved with commercial vehicle purchasing (and selling) over the years, my mind automatically asks the above drab questions.
It's probably about time I cleaned the valves on my wireless and tuned in to other matters.

Anyhow, I broke all healthy & safety regulations today and it worked a treat !
I was drilling the surface rust from the inside of a wheel rim (tube side) whilst holding wheel and drill in a precarious position when it suddenly dawned on me that the traffic cone near to me had a firm round hole in the top
of it. To cut a long story short I got the scrap forks I removed from a frame recently and put the stem into the hole (perfect fit). Attach wheel to forks and hey presto no more backache. I can now stand up and drill away to my hearts content whilst the wheel rotates merrily depending on what angle you hold the drill at.
This is probably basic stuff to you thoroughbreds and no doubt you've all got your own ways of doing certain things.
Mind you I did have the common sense to wrap some tape in one or two positions on the spokes so that you know not to put your fingers in there when it is rotating at also makes a pretty pattern when it's going round (that's what my watching eight year old told me) !

Steve traffic cones are great but make sure it's a chunky heavy duty one !

   RE:WANTED:   Drooling towels ready? posted by Terence on 1/4/2008 at 12:58:45 AM
Thanks Matthew, but if you interested in Pashley bike there is a local dealer in North Carolina. He normally does free shipping in U.S. e-mail contact is, phone number is 1-800-321 5511. It may help you, I already have a vintage Raleigh Sports bike(1970's model) & same like Pashley Roadster Soverign.
Buy one have fun!!!.

   RE:WANTED: Drooling towels ready? posted by Matthew on 1/4/2008 at 10:49:58 AM

Hi Terence,

I'm the same side of the water as Pashley but thanks for the info, I'm sure it will help somebody here.

Matthew - English and Roadster.

AGE / VALUE:   one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by: sam on 12/31/2007 at 5:32:41 PM
These were only made in 1969 and only sold in the U.S.A.---none were made for the U.K. market.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by smitty on 12/31/2007 at 7:16:24 PM
I think it is more like mid to late 70s. I wonder if it was made by the same mfg as the Yamaha motobike (I think that is what it was called) But it looks very simuler to me.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Joe on 12/31/2007 at 11:40:27 PM
Try the BMX forums.
The best I can do is that its not in the 1968, 1969, or 1980 dealer binders that I have but it does show up in the 1976 catalog and order forms. There was also one with a tank that appears to have had a different frame. These were the R5 models. It appears that it may have been built in Canada only?
This was very similar if not a direct copy or clone of bikes sold by Iverson, Rollfast, and Ross at about the same time. I believe the Yamaha Moto Bike came out in about 1974. These were only rare since they never really caught on, they were priced higher than most others and came about a bit late, but the time these were out, the BMX craze had moved on to more race worthy bikes and less of the motorcycle look a like bike that was more popular in the early years.

See these links:


   RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by sam on 1/1/2008 at 11:17:45 AM
Correction,it was 1976 not 69(what was I thinking!!)Only one year made then Raleigh decided to get out of BMX.Like schwinn raleigh made the mistake of think bmx was a passing fad.Not postive where these frames were built---I though Nottingham.They appear to be a modified chopper but the frame is a bit different and the fork was special to these.Not much interest in them with the BMX or Chopper guys.Shame,they are nice when fixed up as a "Kid" rider.Or as an interest to a raleigh collector.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Joe on 1/1/2008 at 1:31:06 PM
Take note to the one piece American style cranks on these. If you've ever worked on one, they more resemble an American bike than a British made Raleigh.
Raleigh didn't get out of the BMX market back then, they brought out the Burner and Grifter after the MX went away. The MX wasn't really a true BMX, it was more of a motorcycle look a like or just a kids bike. The R5 went even farther with the plastic tank and sprung shocks. They were too heavy to compete with regular BMX bikes and the forks just didn't take the abuse. They were more for show than go. I think Raleigh continued making BMX style bikes all the way on up through the years, they missed the boat though when it came to weight, most of their bikes were really heavy when compared to some of the other brands being made back then.
Try this link for more info:

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by sam on 1/1/2008 at 8:24:46 PM
this model has the 3 piece cranks---I think the one shown is missing the cranks but the BB is standard raleigh 3 piece cottered type.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Joe on 1/2/2008 at 12:17:26 AM
Which headbadge does it have? Does is say "Nottingham England" on it?
If I recall there was one model that had an odd shaped crank arm, the arms sort were curved near the crank axle, (narrow crank axle). These were three piece cranks. I think I had a set of those cranks here at one time.
The R5, R10, and R11 list one piece cranks, I don't have a parts breakdown on the MX, only an order form for that year. The Grifter, R6, R7 and R9 models all list a crank axle.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by sam on 1/2/2008 at 11:06:47 AM
This one on ebay I can't tell.I have one I got as a frame and parts.The head badge was mostly gone---it was a sticker type--I'm told they were the same as the ovel sticker used on the small kids models bikes.It wasfun to build up from parts and I keep it for the kids whem the drop by to visit---keeps them off my bikes.I do remember the original crank set was small with a round chainguard rivited to the chainring(which was made to the crank arm like most sports models only had 40 or less tooth)
Might be interesting to build one of these up using a s/a 3 speed and center shifter---kinda chopper style.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Chris on 1/4/2008 at 9:35:40 AM
Canada was very weird for bikes. Especially English Raleighs, of which Canada had a lot of.
I had one of these run across my hands back in 1988-92 while cleaning out an old shop on East Erie street in Windsor, Ontario Canada. I remember this bike you are mentioning. It went to a fellow I knew along with coaster brake hubs.

He looked at me stunned and asked Where are you getting this stuff?
It was fun to do that to Joe! I remember the time I brought him this electric bike horn that was battery operated. I told him it would not work and I was impatient and I had written it off as broken and irrepairable. He said "Wait, He took it and got W.D. 40 and a screw driver and he sat and tapped and whacked the horn and used the W.D. 40 and slowly, while sitting at the kitchen table it came back to life and it was loud!
He grinned as I sat there unbelieving what had happened and he sat there with the button down blowing the horn.
Those were good times he always liked what I brought him.

I remember him telling me he had no funds and therefore he was going to miss the Omellenchuck auction.

I had like $180.00 and wrestled away Chater lea parts away.

That auction, missing that one ranks high among my missed boats and screw ups. Joe was so depressed he didn't want to talk. In the future......
When the police want to know why I have $20,000. straped to my body in hundred dollar bills, I will tell them it's so I don't miss another Omellenchuck auction!
Omellenchuck made alloy rims, had tooling there to make them. His wife Jeannie raced in the Olympics and he was a collector, builder, pack rat, who trained riders for the Olympics and there was enough old, boxed, goodies and vintage bikes there to make Hillary Stone get light headed! Tens of thousands of dollars of vintage parts went so cheap you would cry. The auctioneers were overwhelmed and did not care and they just wanted it gone. All this within 10 miles of my home base. Five states and Canada under my belt and the biggest stash was literally right under my nose. None of the area vultures were there. The clock parts collection and whale oil lanterns and Campagnolo boxed sets went so cheap it was a sin. I did not recognize any bike collectors and I know most of them or recognize their names.
Today, on e- bay it would reach $300,000.00 for all what we saw. Trailways bus's filled with wheels all with B.H hubs. It was like a treasure cave appearing like a mirage and then it dissolves around you at dawn and you are not done carrying it away as it vanashes.

Keep emergency funds on your person and look right in your own neighborhood be able to get a truck within 1 hour are the lessons to remember.

These people like their privacy are hidden away in plain little buildings fenced off, out in the boondocks, hermits who don't associate later on in life.

You have to able to strike deep and hard while the iron is hot and being there at the right moment is key.
The greatest stash I ever saw and we blew it. My stomach is sour the memories are flooding back. I am going to stop typing now.

Good Luck!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Chris on 1/4/2008 at 9:46:09 AM
It was my first auction. I had never been to an auction. Stunned at what lay before us I could not speak.

At an auction one has to be able to speak and speak quickly and you have to have money most of all.

I can only imagine what Hillary Stone in England has seen and bought and where all he's been. I rank Hillary as King of all of this. Holding the keys to the great treasure hoards of vintage cycledom itself.
I'm living in the wrong country!
Toodle- Pip!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Chris on 1/4/2008 at 10:05:48 AM
As the police stand around me, there with flashlights asking why I have so much money on my person they will be mentioning drugs. Am I selling drugs? they will ask.
my answer?
"Oh Hell No! officer I look for old bikes."
I'll tell them.... No! I look for and buy vintage bicycles and parts and this is for the times they won't take a debit or credit card! He might even tell me he has a bike for sale and write the phone number on the back of his card. Stranger things have happened! Serriously,
Come to think of it the adventures I have had and places visited and seen and cleaned out and things bought , ridden, sold and traded have been more fun and rewarding, and pleasureable than any drug out there!

I would not trade my adventure filled " bikre trip" for anything!

My friend Joe in Pa, who talks like Cheech from Cheech and Chong Hey Chris, try some of this man, it's good stuff!

( It's a Sturmey- Archer F.M. hub four speed alloy)

The Omellenchuck auction was cash only! Held on a Sunday when the banks were closed.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by hotrodzombie on 1/8/2008 at 9:08:41 AM
Great to see information on these bikes still coming out of the woodwork. :)

I have a Raleigh MX that I am planning on restoring. As far as I know it's the only one in the UK, so is very special to me.

I don't know much about them, but keep trawling the internet for info about them (hence I show up here!). As far as I know, the parts were produced at the Raleigh factory in Nottingham then shipped to Canada for assembly.

If you want a parts breakdown, check this page out:

(see the bottom of the page)

If anyone has any other information about these bikes that they wish to share with me, I would be delighted to hear from you.

cheers -HRZ-


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by Chris on 1/9/2008 at 10:12:57 AM
Canada. Bingo!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: one of the rarest raleighs ever made posted by paul on 8/4/2008 at 8:25:53 PM
Just curious if anyone would know the value of a Raliegh MX, new, in the box? I have a friend whose Dad used to own a bike shop and he found it stashed away in the rafters of the barn the shop used to be in. It's unassembled, all there and red in color. Any clue?

AGE / VALUE:   Another high-priced machine posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/30/2007 at 5:42:29 AM

A nice Superbe for sure.... price is somewhat high... and yet, it's got a bid already.

A Superbe "S"? What's that all about?

Larry "Boneman" Bone - not a student of economics....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:���Another high-priced machine posted by Joe on 12/30/2007 at 9:55:03 PM
Not much for pics for that price either. Someone must think it's worth the bid. Looks like a normal later 70's Raleigh Tourist to me. I don't recall a model named Tourist 'S'. The pics are really dark which blocks out a lot of details.
I am also always a bit suspicious of any auction that hided the bidder's identity.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:���Another high-priced machine posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/31/2007 at 6:00:59 AM
Yeah... what's up with that hidden bidder stuff? Weird.

Well... more power to the sellor if he gets his price.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Another high-priced machine posted by David on 12/31/2007 at 12:29:26 PM
I think it's a Euro/Dutch model . Missing a part from the chaincase. I wonder if they "needed" to make it a private auction so we couldn't see that the one bid is from the seller himself.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Another high-priced machine posted by Joe on 12/31/2007 at 11:55:10 PM
I'm not sure about the Holland part, I have a Grand Prix that says made in Holland from 1977 and the headbadge lacks the Nottingham, England part on the bottom. It does appear to have a fork bracket and tire generator as well as a Dynohub? I can see something on the left side ahead of the brake and the front hub looks pretty large. the pics are pretty dark, I emailed them asking for better pics but got no response.
If they did bid on their own item, then they will most likely cancel the sale before it ends or pay the final value fee for nothing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Another high-priced machine posted by Zach Mathews on 1/1/2008 at 9:30:02 PM
Those are drum brakes. The big front hub is not a dyno. I'd bet you anything that 1st "bid" is actually a reserve price in disguise. I've been watching bike prices up & down California for months & it doesn't fit. $500 would be more sensible - the bike is gorgeous.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Another high-priced machine posted by Joe on 1/4/2008 at 9:47:38 PM
I didn't realize that they did rod brakes with a brake drum and brake stirrup over the fender?
Anyhow, someone decided it was worth $900. It may be a nice bike, but I don't think I could bring myself to spend that on a bike no matter how nice it was. I guess I've just found too many nice ones in trash piles and yard sales.

I had emailed that sale for better pics twice, never got a response of any kind. That alone would keep me from bidding no matter what the price. I would think that if I had something listed at that amount, I'd be pretty quick to answer any questions.