AGE / VALUE:   Make an "Oh, No" , into an "oh yes" posted by: Chris on 3/16/2008 at 1:14:52 PM
Before I quit talking on this subject I will say one last time that:

The B.S.A. airborne bicycle is a full size, bike with 26 x 1 3/8 inch wheels and it folds in half on built in hinges and those large wheels that are not 20 inch make it perfect for commuting on the bus and in peoples cars.

it truely is perfect to take along.

Save original parts to go back on it if you ever sell it.

in the mean time,

modify away!
alloy wheels, updated gears, seat posts, seats, racks, bottles, bells, lights, update and modify to your hearts content and get out there and travel and you won't be sorry.

the B.S.A. frame has been copied and the bike updated but i don't believe the new versions fold like the old original ones from WW2.

but these off of e- bay and get onto the bike!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Make an posted by Pete on 3/16/2008 at 4:50:44 PM
Chris, I would dearly love to own one of these and there is one hidden away less than 2 miles from my house.Unfortunately it is owned by a real old eccentric who used to run a scrap yard.He has literally hundreds of bikes that few have ever even seen or know exist even.After several months of covert operations and testing of the waters I was finally allowed into the storage area for the majority of his cycle collection and associated parts and boy what an eye opener that was.I purchased a bike whilst I was there and spent several hours discussing bikes with him, his knowledge is something that ought to be recorded and kept.He told me all about some of his special bikes that he has which I was not allowed to see as they were stored inside.Amongst these were some of the rarer and older Sunbeams a Dursley Pederson several crossframes and a BSA paratrooper bike. I know he has them as I have seen him on some of them in years gone by and another local old bike guy who he is friendly with and supplied him with strange bikes over the years without knowing what he was parting with has confirmed their existence.Sadly the old guy with the bikes is now just about blind and no longer rides but is of the type that he will never part with any of his special bikes.It is so frustrating knowing where that parabike is and not being able to have it and or preserve it.The worst thing is when he passes on all his knowledge will be gone and his boys that now run the yard will probably crush the lot for scrap.He has helped me out in the past with hard to find parts and despite his failing eyesight can still put his hand straight on the old unobtainable part you are looking for.I was allowed in one of his sheds one day to find an early part for one of my hubs and in one of the tins he showed me was a really early x type sturmey hub he had so god only knows what else he has squirreled away.
I just wish I could have full access to his special collection and bring that parabike home with me,but getting past his Mrs would be more terrifying than the large dogs he has running free in the Garden.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Make an posted by Chris on 3/17/2008 at 2:23:27 PM
In Detroit, Michigan they have Pit Bulls.
You hit the jackpot. these situations are quite rare. It's time for tenacity and vigilence.

The bite is worth it. tell you what, You can throw me over the fence and that will distract the dogs long enough for you to go handle the missus. (grin)

I can die with a grin on my face and I ask you what did he have, What did you find?

tell the missus you want to buy his stuff when he passes away.
let her know you will be generous with the money.

Stay on this. answer your phone. give her your cell phone number and answer it.

You will get the call...

"Come get this stuff outta my house!"

it happens. Money will be all she will want. bring a big truck and some strong guys to help you.
Find a way. Don't let this slip thru your fingers. please.
keep the location secret whatever you do. You can blindfold me until it's time to toss me over the fence.

You want the paper things he has as well

sounds like you'll make some good money off of re- selling what you will bring home.

However, it was not the lure of the money but finding and discovering and riding and enjoying it.

Just get ahold of it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Make an posted by Pete on 3/17/2008 at 3:38:15 PM
There lies a major problem.......Somewhat financially embarassed at the moment and probably for the forseeable future with an ongoing medical problem and 6 kids.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Make an posted by Chris on 3/20/2008 at 8:06:56 AM
Old vintage bicycles were always worth getting bit over.

AGE / VALUE:   Photographing is fine but you gotta buy one! posted by: Chris on 3/15/2008 at 2:41:44 PM
To the fellow I met who took pictures of my B.S.A. on the front of the bus.

I recommend that you buy a B.S.A. airborne bicycle off of e- bay and ride it yourself after a bit of modification. it is a fun little bike!

This is a great site here. I hope you remembered what I told you.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Photographing is fine but you gotta buy one! posted by sam on 3/15/2008 at 4:29:39 PM

FOR SALE:   1968 Humber ladies 3 speed posted by: Tom on 3/14/2008 at 9:17:17 PM
Ladies 3 speed Sturmy/Archer hub, Brooks leather seat and pouch, Humber sprocket, tire pump, paperwork. Can send is in good shape, go over and lube can make an everyday riding bike.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1968 Humber ladies 3 speed posted by Steve on 3/16/2008 at 4:23:26 AM
Pix , description, & price, please.Thanks

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   4 Speed Raleigh Sports posted by: Bryant on 3/14/2008 at 4:07:53 AM
I'm looking at an early 50's Raleigh Sport as an upgrade to my late 70's Sport (wonderful hobby this, where an earlier bike is an upgrade). The 50's model comes with an FW 4 speed hub, working front Dynohub, Brooks saddle and full chaincase and a steal at $125. I checked on Sheldon Brown's site and the 1952 Sport did come with a front dynohub so I'm gusssing it's a 1952. However, I've not heard of a Sports with a 4 speed hub before, is this an upgrade or a different model? I pick up the bike on Saturday so pictures will be posted then

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   4 Speed Raleigh Sports posted by Chris on 3/14/2008 at 11:09:09 AM
For a few dollars more, you could have a 4 speed hub in your bike. Some models came off the line with four speeds but usually it was an option.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   4 Speed Raleigh Sports posted by David on 3/14/2008 at 1:53:18 PM
Dynohubs were always available, too.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wind-up bike ! posted by: Steve on 3/13/2008 at 4:27:45 PM
Metaphorically speaking of course but everyone must have or have had at some time a bike that tries the patience.

Personally speaking I allocate this prestigious title to the one and only Sunbeam I have, it doesn't seem to matter what I attempt to correct on the bike I invariably run into problems.

I won't describe every problem but here's one or two to be getting on with.
Yes, the fully enclosed (really fully enclosed) little oil bath chainguard is lovely to look at but it does make me question the meaning of life sometimes.

The tension springs at the four brake bracket mounting points are just itching to blast-off into orbit should you lose concentration for a micro-second.

The brake rods below the handlebars (in front of the headstock) have this crazy knack of trying to mangle themselves together at any given time.

Next came the rear hub cone which needed tightening slightly to eliminate play at the wheel rim....ha ha ha,
this necessatated removing the wheel which in turn meant removing the mudguard which meant that the top securing clamp snapped (fair play, it's probably 70 years old).
This mudguard has now taken it's place in the ever expanding mudguard paint spraying queue !

Now to put the wheel back on.....hmmmmm
Top quarter segment of chainguard removed then approach with sprocket angled so that it's positioned in such a way that the whole sprocket will land inside the guard first no !
I've had the sprocket top half in bottom half out and all other possible rediculous positions you can think of !

Eventually I succeed then join up the adjuster linkage to the BSA hub and hey presto you guessed it....hub is now stuck in High (I've been here before) !

The thought of getting a puncture with this bike horrifies me.

Having said all this, I think it's quite an interesting bike albeit with a lousy rear pivoted hook arrangement brake (the efficiency of this set-up is probable hindered by the very fact that there's seven or eight linkage points before it gets to the brake block).
I suppose it makes the challenge more interesting - especially braking going down a hill ?

Has anyone else suffered similar experiences and are certain bikes known for good/interesting looks but awkward to live with at times ?

Steve - I'm not wound-up........honest ?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wind-up bike ! posted by Steve on 3/14/2008 at 7:57:44 AM
It's amazing what a bit of sleep can do.

Returned to the smirking Sunbeam and figured out someone had joined the front brake rods (below the handlebars) the wrong way round hence the linkage mangleing effect whenever you turned or braked. All is now well and I would say the rear brake is now 70% more efficient although I still think it's a poor design.

The four mounting plate brake springs......well, what more can you say, they're springs doing what they are supposed to do !

The BSA hub is now working fine although back to front i.e. High is Low and Low is High (Normal is obviously Normal) ! I'm not sure if BSA had their own quadrant changer that was the opposite way round to the Sturmey Archer changer ?

Returning the rear wheel fully into position within the fully enclosed oil bath chainguard before you can boil an egg ! Well, I'm not so sure but both make me happy when they're done to perfection !

Steve - the sun is beaming.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Wind-up bike ! posted by Matthew on 3/17/2008 at 12:29:43 PM
Not sure if BSA had their own quadrant changer that was the opposite way round to the Sturmey Archer changer ? Oh yes they did!

Matthew - 'mazing

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wind-up bike ! posted by Patrick on 3/21/2008 at 8:39:45 PM
This sounds like everything mechanical,the Brits used to make. I learned my lesson with one of their motorcycles, years ago. Pat