ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Early Rudge Catalogues posted by: Pete on 3/2/2008 at 4:18:05 AM
Some catalogues from 1939 and 1954 for Rudge.
Not mine but a useful thing.Links are sometimes buggy so try later if they fail.


AGE / VALUE:   Rare as Rocking Horse droppings posted by: Matthew on 3/2/2008 at 2:56:35 AM
Item number: 230226846674

Not my auction, seller not known to me, you know my point of view on these things.

However, a Norwich Rival is rare, we come across a few in East Anglia but they aren't wide spread. A trade bike from the only bicycle works in Norwich is rarer still. The seller appears to be a genuine pleasant person who was unsure of what they were selling.

Rather heavy to ship anywhere but worth a look none the less.

Matthew - eBay the way it should be, helpful and instructive

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rare as Rocking Horse droppings posted by irishhiker@aol.com on 3/2/2008 at 3:51:27 AM
Very interesting bike. I have a Hercules delivery bike with rod brakes, but the frame has the regular cross bar. It's interesting that they made such bikes with the unisex style frame, too. It makes sense -- it would be much easier to get on and off one without the crossbar, especially when loaded.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Rare as Rocking Horse droppings posted by Matthew on 3/2/2008 at 7:44:53 AM
The dropped (or lowered) top tube was in fact designed to accommodate riders wearing aprons. This was the norm for delivery boys (almost exclusively male and under 21 years old. A typical delivery boy would wear either traditional uniform and an apron, for example bakers 'whites' plus white apron, butchers whites and blue and white striped apron, or their own clothes and an apron to suit the trade.

It was also a design advantage for regular dismounting. Strangely the GPO bikes very rarely had a 'ladies' frame prior to 1989, this is probably due to the scarcity of female postal delivery staff. This was not the case during WW2 when many women delivered post (mail).

After 1989 the Pashley Royal Mail designs included an increasing number of bicycles with no crossbar to the point today when most Royal Mail (no GPO anymore) bicycles do not have crossbars. I believe this is as much in the name of health and safety, plus risk assessment, as it is in the name of equality.

The old rod braked models were ousted in the name of health and safety. After sixty years they discovered that you couldn't stop a loaded post bike in city traffic in the rain.

All this from a country where it is still illegal to 'cycle furiously'.

Matthew - not too furious

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rare as Rocking Horse droppings posted by Kevin on 3/2/2008 at 11:11:38 AM
Thanks for the great post, Matthew. I would never have thought of the issue of riding a bike while wearing an apron. Makes sense!

FOR SALE:   curland male bicycle black posted by: per nielsen on 3/1/2008 at 6:06:17 PM
curland male bicycle unused 28 wheels aluminium special other specials as skf ball berrings all over. and oil hole
in chain box for oling chain,the hole have a bolt for closing. rare and very nice and cool loking bike.

for a 1954 bike. only 1 skratc on bar an tiny where rear fender is white. rest is in perfekt condition.

never used bike only serius buyers. if not serius dont

write. the bike is in denmark and buyer mus pay for sending

bike where ever it must go to. prise 12000kr =1100 english


dont now how to get pic here. if serius send a mail

and i will mail the pics to you thanks from denmark

   RE:FOR SALE:   curland male bicycle black posted by Jimmy O~Connor on 3/1/2008 at 6:50:34 PM
1,100 English Pounds? WOW! I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. Get serius!

   RE:FOR SALE:   curland male bicycle black posted by Scott on 3/1/2008 at 7:30:32 PM
That's over $2000 PLUS shipping.Too rich for my blood.Must be in nice shape though.Pretty rare to see 28" wheels made out of alumin(i)um in 1954.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE: curland male bicycle black posted by Warren on 3/1/2008 at 8:13:39 PM
I've got some early 26" alloy rims that I'll sell for $200. A steal, obviously.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE: curland male bicycle black posted by Tom on 3/2/2008 at 9:10:40 PM
Warren What size and brand are the alloy 26" rims, 32/40?spokes.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE: curland male bicycle black posted by Warren on 3/3/2008 at 4:21:52 AM
I was being facetious but I do have the rims. There are a Sulloy brand, 32/40 with a Westrick profile and I got them off of a 57 Raleigh Sports. They are earmarked for a project already.

MISC:   Motors posted by: JDuck on 2/29/2008 at 9:04:38 AM
I know this is the wrong forum but no none seems to using the right one and you guys know everything. Does anyone have any experience with a currently available motor kit. I would appreciate any input.

   RE:MISC: Motors posted by Matthew on 2/29/2008 at 12:44:55 PM

Probably not this one.

Matthew - Motors on cycles? Na it'll never catch on!

   RE:MISC: Motors posted by sam on 2/29/2008 at 2:39:47 PM
the cheep china motor kits (gas) are cheep.
the electric kits--limited.
this is based mostly on reserch but I have(do) owned a cheep China motor.
I feel the very best motor kit avalible today is the Staton Kit
Kind of a modern day "Power Pack"
I do wish they built a model that could be mounted low and to the left,like the Sachs kit from Au.But the price difference and the fact that a new motor can be had at any tool store in America and replaced without un-bolting the kit from the bike makes the staton the best buy.

   RE:MISC:   Motors posted by Chris on 3/1/2008 at 10:18:25 AM
Actually, it's not the wrong forum after all. Back in the day and still now, These English roadsters commonly had motors attached to them. Phillips especially. Raleigh said that the fitting of a motor attachment would void their warrenty but the bikes held up fine.

Roger Worton in England puts out a publication called: Buzzing. and he sells "Autocycle spares" parts for the old stuff. But to be practical, listen to Sam he's right on the money. He's done his research with the new stuff. Being able to quickly locate new spare parts is all important.
(The old stuff)
There was the Vincent firefly attachment and others but that is old and collectable and pricy and parts are almost imposible to find.

Sociero Honda took a look at the old Whizzer Motor bike that was then made in Pontiac, Michigan and he mounted an exact copy of the motor onto an old Roadster bike and with pine tree needle extract for fuel he made post war ruined Japan's first motorized bicycles and while they were very popular because of severe fuel shortages they took a long time to start but once you got it running, it was fine. This was the very beginnings of Honda who got started out of a little shack in Hamatsu, Japan. Then Honda brought out the Honda 50 moped and when the British, French, and Italians tore them apart to study them, they got this sick feeling. We are done. And they all were, with few exceptions. Honda took over. I owned a Honda 50's, a Raleigh moped, two Solex bikes and wheel rims and parts.
The Honda Moped was way ahead of it's time and was marvelous. Then motorcycles, small trucks, cars, and they were studying light aircraft as well. Out board motors and lots of great products. The little Honda kick and go scooter is a lot of fun.

I have been all through the old stuff. Especially French Solex bikes and parts pulled out of the ruined parts of Detroit. Every old shop, every garage and yard that had piles of old bikes I went searching and I ran across Solex bikes and parts The Solex has the motor on the front wheel and I don't care for that but even with affected steering it was still a fun bike. Too heavy!

Detroit was the "Paris of the Midwest" and unless I was in England I could not have been in a better place for old bikes and parts. Wharehouses and shops, dealers and jobbers.
back in the day,
To put a motor on your roadster bicycle especially if it was a bicycle in fine shape was considered.... (oh how do I word this) A betrayal of cycling because it was a motor.... wrong. It was looked down on by the bike shops and cyclists but one did what one needed to do. I was told to "get that thing off of there!" and then, it took on a cool image and Cycling magazine was re- named to Cycling and Mopeds and then back to Cycling.

The old stuff is still very chic and popular and if you can find an old bike with a motor attachement go for it.

The Vincent Firefly stuff is pricey.

The public library in Detroit (The Burton collection) on the fourth floor has a book collection covering all the old stuff it's part of the Ford collection. If you are in Detroit I ask you to go read what they have on motorized bicycles. The collection is priceless.You cannot check out, but you may photocopy some things.

I want to build up a motorized recumbant bicycle myself one day.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Motors posted by Chris on 3/1/2008 at 10:23:31 AM
I was told that the old Brigs and Stratton mini bikes were dangerous but I hear no mention of problems with the new stuff except that the China stuff is cheap.

It's all too magical and practical and fun to be missed. If you have the means as I did, I highly suggest the Vincent firefly attachement.

   RE:MISC: Motors posted by Matthew on 3/1/2008 at 10:38:24 AM
1959 the peak year of British motorcycle sales; in amongst the great and the good was a small imported machine, the Honda 50. Laughed at in the press and derided as a gimmick, it came to rule the UK market and outsold every thing under 750cc.

Autocycles are dangerous, my late Mother-in-law's father was killed in the rain when he saw too late that the bus in front of him was stopping. Rod brakes were no match for the speed of a petrol powered bicycle.

Matthew - DF/DT

   RE:RE:MISC: Motors posted by Chris on 3/1/2008 at 11:30:51 AM
Right on. correct. There were traffic accidents, lots of them.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Motors posted by paul on 3/1/2008 at 3:02:17 PM
Ihad a "mosquito" 38cc that mounted under the bottom bracket and the gas tank slid under the rear carrier. This was back in the late 50's when I was a senior in high school. I never got it running and it finally went away. It was made in Spain and was popular there among older bicycle riders. It's zero to 15 mph was perhaps 120 secs!!! haha paul

   RE:MISC:   Motors posted by Scott on 3/1/2008 at 8:36:14 PM
"I was told that the old Brigs and Stratton mini bikes were dangerous...."by Chris

Ya,those mini bikes of the 60s and early 70s were dangerous.They had NO suspension and almost as much braking ability.Some of them were scary fast,on little more than wheelbarrow tires.I had a 1969 Fox mini bike and if you rolled onto it too hard it would wheelie and spit you off.It was way overpowered for the rudimentary frame and fork designs of the day.They ran a centrifugal clutch(no gearbox) so you couldn't even down shift to try to slow down.Feet came in handy!!

   RE:MISC: Motors posted by Matthew on 3/2/2008 at 3:10:04 AM
This link will enthuse and inspire you.


Matthew - have fun, but not too much!

   RE:RE:MISC: Motors posted by edgar X on 3/3/2008 at 8:25:57 AM
I second the Staton recommendation. I have one and love it. It's far and away the best setup if you want to pedal all the time and use the motor some of the time.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Motors posted by Chris on 3/4/2008 at 1:02:16 PM
The Balloon tire Schwinn with the "I've got chicken power" engine was a lot of fun. Getting it so cheap was part of the fun too.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: Motors on vintage bikes Old and new developments posted by Chris on 3/10/2008 at 5:08:43 PM
Mathew, thanks for posting the link to Roger Worton's site.

You are a valuable asset to the group here.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Retro Sports trainer... posted by: Warren on 2/28/2008 at 8:37:24 PM
This winter's killing our riding season up here in the frozen north. We decided we needed a bike trainer but Elizabeth wanted an upright bike instead of a road bike. A perfect use for that 55 Sports in the basement. Set up with no brakes, no gears (constant 3rd), roadster bars, NOS Lycett L66 and EA1 wheels on an Elite Fluid trainer. It works great. The only issue was that the trainer is built for modern hub widths and couldn't secure the bike. I added a second indicator nut on the left side and it was done. Big fun.