ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquiring vintage Raleigh: which one? posted by: Larry F on 3/28/2008 at 5:51:12 PM
Folks, I'm about to head off to the east coast to pick up a vintage Raleigh - either a Raleigh 1967 Sprite 5-speed or a 1973 Sports 3-speed; both in bronze green and both 21" and both in pristine condition. I really like the idea of a 3-speed since I grew up always wanting one but could never afford one. However, the 5 speed Sprite seems more 'upmarket'. By the way, the five speed is the Sturmey Archer S5 hub with downtube shifters. Would this be the better buy? (there's a two hundred dollar premium for the Sprite.)

Don't want to make a decision I'll regret later. Can't wait to join the vintage English bike club!!!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquiring vintage Raleigh: which one? posted by Bryan on 3/28/2008 at 8:51:01 PM
I have a 1967 Sprite with the S5 (but mine has regular handlebar trigger shifters) and also numerous Raleigh 3 speeds representing all decades that they were produced. Both are good choices. But youch! $200 more for the Sprite? No way!

In reality they are virtually the same bike, just a wider gear choice on the 5 speed.

If this is your introduction to the wonderful world of vintage English cycles, I'd recommend going with the 3 speed simply because of the big price difference. S5 hubs are not that rare, certainly not worth a $200 premium in my opinion.

Either way, both are great rides and I don't think you will be dissapointed with either. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquiring vintage Raleigh: which one? posted by Kevin on 3/29/2008 at 2:50:15 AM
Be patient. You often can find a good Sports for $50 or less (sometimes a lot less) if you look around a little. I especially like the ones from the early to mid-1950s.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquiring vintage Raleigh: which one? Update! posted by Larry F on 3/29/2008 at 4:35:35 AM
This just in: I now have an opportunity to purchase a 1959 Rudge 3 speed in original and complete form for 350 in additon to the Raleighs. Question from a newbie: where does the Rudge stand in relation to Raleigh? Equal, better, less than?

By the way, this one comes equipped with the TCW III hub with the coaster brake. Sorry for so many questions- only a little time since I'm leaving on Tuesday to pick up on Wednesday!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Acquiring vintage Raleigh: which one? posted by sciencemonster on 3/29/2008 at 9:01:39 AM
A rudge of that year is the same as a Raleigh. But $350 is about 225$ too much. Especially with a coaster brake.

I paid $200 for a 1945 Rudge SPorts, the same for a 51 Rudge Clubman, and $125 for a 51 Rudge SPorts. This is in the San Francisco Bay Area - very high priced place to buy bikes. ALl needed cleaning, regreasing, etc...

I suppose if you were paying for an as-new, refurbished, ready to ride, shiney bike it could be ok. But coaster brakes aren't any fun. My first 3 speed was a coaster, and I went out and bought a freewheel bike after riding it for a few weeks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquiring vintage Raleigh: which one? posted by haroldelliot@hotmail.com on 4/1/2008 at 10:06:32 PM
Larry, where abouts are you located? Maybe one of us could help you out. Some of us have more bikes on hand than we really need.

AGE / VALUE:   Anyone service SA hubs? posted by: sciencemonster on 3/28/2008 at 2:51:39 PM
I have a 1951 AG hub I bought off eBay - big mistake - and it slips out of gear. I think it needs new stuffs and springs. Anyone work on these or know someone who works on these? I hate to throw it away - it matches my '51 Clubman perfect.

I tried cleaning it over and over - no good.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Anyone service SA hubs? posted by Steve on 3/28/2008 at 4:15:40 PM
Don't throw it away - open it up slowly and lay it out in order on something that won't let it roll away !

It might only be something minor that you could acquire from a cannibolised hub.

There's plenty of hub diagrams on the net to help things along....Sheldon/Sturmey and others but I can't remember the names - check the links.

I did an AG for the first time(replaced pawl springs and pinions) a couple of months ago and fingers crossed all is still o.k.

Steve - just opened up a dodgy 50's S/A single speed for the first time....tiny ball bearings everywhere and two bits of wire dangleing limply !

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Anyone service SA hubs? posted by sciencemonster on 3/28/2008 at 11:16:39 PM
Well, I went ahead and did as you say. I haven't tried it yet, as it's dark here, but it seemed to go OK. Not nearly as hard as I thought - all those web pages talking about springs flying all over the place!

I replaced the outer dogs/pinions/whateverthehelltheyarecalled. They looked pretty worn and encrusted with dried grease. THe new ones I used looked a little worn too, but not as bad. I replaced the springs, too, while I was at it. We'll see! If I only have to take the whole damn thing apart and futz with it ten more times to get it running ok, I'll be OK with it!

It went back together ok, but now the Dynahub makes a scaping sort of sound. I just let it go - hopefully it will quiet down later.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Anyone service SA hubs? posted by Steve on 3/29/2008 at 2:26:55 AM
Take your time, look at it logically and don't overtighten things right at the end (or almost forget to tighten the four rotor/magnet/armature pins) like I did !


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Anyone service SA hubs? posted by sciencemonster on 3/29/2008 at 12:12:02 PM
Well, it rode ok. I didn't do a lot of stressful riding, but still, it never slipped at all.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Anyone service SA hubs? posted by Chris on 4/1/2008 at 9:36:40 AM
The A.G. is not difficult. The F.G. is worse.

Don't seperate the magnet armeture from the ring keeper.

AGE / VALUE:   cars are nice but..... posted by: Chris on 3/28/2008 at 1:45:27 PM
A friend of mine (had) a Kia car. While in the shop to have a tire replaced they told us the wheel hub was about to fall off. They didn't or couldn't fix it because they were closing and my friend didn't want to leave it. Boy, did I worry and do my best to get that car into a shop.

Well, we don't have to worry about that wheel hub anymore because I got a premonition, saw the busted rear window the evening before it happened. I insisted, repeatedly, on being dropped off. I went in and read my book and went to bed.

The next morning he picked me up. I saw the rear window and felt shivers. Then I got out and saw "the rest of the story" as Paul harvey would say.

He backed into a tree and totaled the car! $8,000.00
Well, as we fly about in a new rental I said We don't have to worry about that wheel hub!

I miss the bicycle and one reason it is far more simple and cheaper to run and maintain.

AGE / VALUE:   BMX posted by: CHRIS on 3/28/2008 at 1:40:23 PM
These 3 guys appeared and one guy had what appeared to me as full size b.m.x. frame with 26 inch wheels.

I was not able to get up to them to engage the guy in a conversation but it looked like the bike has wheels that resembled 26 x 1 3/8 rims and tires.
the tires were close to Mitsuboshi silver star's but in a 26 inch size.

wil all my hanging around, searching thru dealer and jobber books and people i knew and know and still I see things
that are new revelations.

I am going to carry my digital camera from now on because you all probable don't know what I am talking about and this falls under the heading of you have to have been there.

Of course I wanted that wheel set.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: BMX posted by sam on 3/29/2008 at 5:55:59 PM
manny BMX companys did build cruzers---usually 24" sometimes 26"wheeled frames---like the guy that all ways rides the one with gold wheels---first friday on south Alamo st.

AGE / VALUE:   Lack of vintage bicycles...... posted by: Chris on 3/28/2008 at 1:34:51 PM
Nice hamburger place in town, it's called.... Sams
real Americana, with pictures and posters up. A real treat.

Pictures everyplace but the bike hanging up is a Huffy!

What restuarants have you been in that actually have a vintage bicycle or bicycles hanging up?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Lack of vintage bicycles...... posted by sam on 3/29/2008 at 5:52:23 PM
Blue Star restuarant has a bike shop over it!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Lack of vintage bicycles...... posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 4/24/2008 at 10:23:38 AM
I've been to some Cracker Barrel and TGI Friday's restuarants with bicycles hanging up. Usually cheap Huffy or Sears ladies' middleweights.