AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by: Steve on 4/23/2008 at 7:31:57 AM
I've been meaning to get to the bottom of this for a while.

I have here a 1937 (well at least I think it is) Raleigh Sports Model in unrestored condition but I'm not sure which family/category this type of bike falls into...maybe one or two of you could kindly advise.

It has S/A K7 hub with the quadrant changer on the top bar (crossbar), front lamp bracket mounted in unusual place, Raleigh Sports Model in gold lettering on seat tube, butterfly wing nuts on front axle, Roadster style bars and is basically a nice rideable unrestored bike, I have renewed the tyres/tires, rim tape, tubes etc but have decided not to go any further until I decide whether or not to keep or sell it as undercover space around these parts is starting to get a little tight.

I've searched all over the usual places for the frame number but just can't find it...any ideas ?

Photo attached was taken on a dull day so doesn't really do the bike justice.
The proceeds from any possible sale will simply go towards another Roadster type project here, the parts of which are proving to be a little more elusive than was first thought.

I may have mentioned this before but I still struggle to accept how rod brakes survived in production for so long when cable brakes were around. It goes without saying that rod brake machines are far more interesting (and challenging at times), but I would have thought that purely on ease of production and operation that they would have "knocked out" rods many many years ago !

Steve - glad they didn't.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Steve on 4/23/2008 at 8:29:07 AM
I've just looked at the handlebars in the blown-up photo and noticed that there is quite a difference to your normal Roadster type swept back bars.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Chris on 4/23/2008 at 9:52:27 AM
This is a Sports type. Roadsters have the roller leaver rod brakes. This is a very nice bike!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Kevin on 4/23/2008 at 7:33:56 PM
It says "Raleigh Sports Model," so it's a Raleigh Sports. The Sports has 26" wheels; the roadster (or Tourist) has 28 inch wheels.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Steve on 4/24/2008 at 6:26:07 AM
Thanks gents. I appreciate that it is a Sports bike, I was just wondering (as there is no sports bike section in the drop-down menu) where you would place any questions or information should you have any on this particular type of bike.
I must admit that I was under the impression that you could have Roadsters with 26" wheels.

Anyhow, my working day has landed me in the university City of Oxford in England and as I walked through to the internet cafe I couldn't help but notice among the many bike racks just two old faithfulls...Royal Enfield & Triumph (probably 1950's), yes times are changing !

Steve - will todays bikes be around in 50+ years time ?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Pete F. on 4/25/2008 at 3:17:00 PM
Steve - very nice original bike you have there. I'm looking at the 1937 catalogue, at the Sports mode 31, at £4.19.6d, with an extra £1 for the optional 3 speed gear. The finish is described as black enamel with a blue head, but I have seen another where the blue had faded almost to silver. The mudguards are described as 'Raleigh, white enamelled steel - any sign of a repaint? Finally, according to the illustration your handlebars were originally the other way up, looking more purposeful. Drop me an email and I'll send you a scan of the page if you like. Fine bike.

regards, Pete F. (UK)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Warren on 4/25/2008 at 4:59:27 PM
I think a Sports bike is considered a sub-category of roadsters but it's not defined by wheel size. Sports bikes are more nimple, having steeper angles. Here's a Hercules roadster with smaller wheels but it still has very relaxed angles. Combined with rod brakes, this is definately a roadster and not a sports model.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Steve on 4/26/2008 at 11:41:34 AM
Thanks for the responses folks, the sports bike has sort of been left to one side whilst I was working on the others.
Every now and again it would catch my eye and make me wonder whether it was a rare bike in general (still can't find the serial number) or if it was just a rare bike in my garage as it's full of heavyweights !

I will check the blue fading to silver and the mudguards etc tomorrow and report back.
I have actually been out on the bike and it is without doubt a sharp/nimble/light machine compared to a Roadster.

Moving on, today has been good...I've managed to secure two original oldie 26 x 1 3/4 (yes 1 3/4) rims with tyres so quite happy here.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Protrio on 4/26/2008 at 9:47:42 PM
Just posted above my 37 Phillips bike - kind of cool they're from the same year:


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Steve on 4/27/2008 at 11:33:29 AM
Nice bike, seems strange to me seeing something that's not black.
Does it say K7 or 37 on the hub ?
Got the image from Phillips notes above.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports or Roadster or Other ? posted by Steve on 4/30/2008 at 2:05:27 AM
Just to answer Pete.F question above, the head does appear to be silver now although seventy one years could no doubt have weathered it somewhat from a possible blue.

I'm fairly sure the mudguards have always been black (as opposed to white), there's also the remnants of a flap on the front mudguard.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 on e-bay. posted by: Thom J. on 4/22/2008 at 9:26:27 AM
Sharp looking DL-1 on e-bay from the Yellow Jersey folks. #270230148413. Yesterday there was a buy it now option for $1100.00 but it's not there today. Although I'd like one, I have a feeling that this will go for close to the original buy it now price. I'll just keep shopping. Thom.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 on e-bay. posted by Ethan on 4/22/2008 at 6:29:50 PM
It's a nice bike, but for half of $1,100 (or less), you can find plenty of earlier, rarer 28" roadsters in fine condition. I expect this bike will be bought by a newbie who likes its looks and is wowed by the slick marketing, not by a collector who knows market values.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 on e-bay. posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/23/2008 at 2:55:48 AM
Yellow Jersey also sells new Eastman Roadsters... from INDIA... at a starting price (for a single speed machine) of $399. Now, I've had some experience with these Indian machines (an Abley, to be specific) and I don't know about the Eastmans.... but the Ableys.... downright ugly.

The only plus I would imagine would be they assemble the Eastmans here in the US and probably work out all the ... shall we say... "Issues" before you even see the bike.

Keep looking for an original Raleigh. They turn up from time to time and at reasonable prices too.


Larry "Boneman" Bone - parsimonious? Oh yeah.....

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 on e-bay. posted by Steve on 4/23/2008 at 5:32:57 AM
It is a nice bike but, Larry...the front cover is hanging off my "Concise English Dictionary Plus"...would it be possible to use easier words in the future or else I will have to invoice you £12.99 ($26.00) for a replacement dictionary !
This is the third "big word" to put in an appearance in the Roadster section on Oldroads so far this month !
It's not funny when my wife catches me looking in the dictionary...especially as I'm the reigning Scrabble champion in this household.

I've never experienced a DL-1 so can't really comment but, I'm a little bit in the dark at the moment regarding a Raleigh Sports model I have here.
I will post-up the details soon and hope that one or two of you can educate me as to whether it's a Lightweight, Roadster, Hybrid or just a pretty bike ?

Steve - I should have spent more time at school instead of the railway locomotive sheds !


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 on e-bay. posted by Thom J. on 4/23/2008 at 1:15:46 PM
Thanks for all your input. I kinda like the one for sale on the OldRoads section better but the price is a little high for me right now. Have to do some more talking to convince myself that it is worth it. Oh well....such is the dilema of a vintage bike nut. Larry, like your choice of words...also keeps me thumbing through the dictionary. Thom.

WANTED:   Dunelt Fleur-de-Lys posted by: Geoff Rogers on 4/21/2008 at 11:24:14 AM
I acquired a Dunelt Fleur-de-Lys lightweight a couple of weeks ago. I know, it isn't a roadster, but most Dunelts were (I have two others that are, especially the 28" rod-brake one that rides like a Cadillac but weighs almost as much!), and at least it's English. The Vintage Lightweight people don't seem to be much into British stuff. Anyhow, it's a neat old bus with gold paint and silver head tube, nice stainless 27" rims and so on. Over the weekend I cleaned up the old grease and crud from the hubs and bottom bracket, and lo and behold! the crank axle was stamped, "6-60." So there you have it: it's probably a 1960 bike, which fits well with the Birmingham badge, making it pre-Raleigh/Phillips/TI merger, which, I think, was in 1960. I would like to find out more about Dunelt lightweights. Does anybody else have one? Does anybody have a Dunelt catalog from that time frame?
I am looking for a few bits, as well, to wit:
Here’s what I seek for this machine:
1. period alloy crankset (did they make alloy cottered cranks?) with some decent interval between the chainwheels: the original Williams ones I have are 49/52 or some silly thing like that. 46/52 or even 40-ish would be better!)
2. frame pump. It’s 18 inches between the pegs and all my pumps are too short.
3. period wingnuts. This machine has acorn nuts, if you please. On a 531 butted frame. What were they thinking?
4. alloy UK-made pedals, if there is such a thing
5. Any information on Dunelt lightweight machines. I have never seen one before. How can I find out more?
6. Alloy seatpost.
I can trade some cool stuff: stainless 26 X 1 3/8 rims, NOS Westwood rims in the same size, Christophe toe clips with straps, new in the box, a few Raleigh BB fixed cups, an NOS Raleigh sports stem, NOS headlamp brackets for Raleighs and other sports bikes, even a complete, very rough, 1960 Raleigh Sports with Dynohub, large frame, 26" wheels, several sets of Bluemels white fenders (mudguards), NOS and used, one set with Phillips badging, and other stuff I can't think of right now. I have been collecting for a long time.
Meanwhile, I am enjoying the ride! It's 75 degress and sunny today in western Massachusetts, just perfect English bike weather.
Geoff Rogers

   RE:WANTED:   Dunelt Fleur-de-Lys posted by MarkMars on 4/27/2008 at 9:51:43 PM
Hello. I bought a Beautiful Dunelt today at a garage sale for $2. It is 100% intact. The tires have cracks from aging rubber, but it is a beauty. The Badges are so colorful and the bike seems to be of a higher quality than the Ralieghs I have had in the past. The reaer fender reflector is a Lucas. The brakes have a mans name on them, "John ?) Just an incredible bike.
I could not find anything that has sold or is currently for sale on ebay. Some person seems to be selling Badge copies for $25. Nothing like the 3dimensional ones that are on the bike.
If you happen to know a good website to acquire information on this bike/brand please message me back.
Thanks for your time.

AGE / VALUE:    Sturmey- Archer XAG Prototype dynohub on e- bay posted by: Chris on 4/18/2008 at 11:13:08 AM
Hillary Stone is offering something incredible!

Yikes! He is offering a prototype Sturmey- Archer XAG dynohub. This is a legend. The Tony Hadland( Sturmey- Archer story book mentions this.

"None went to the trade and the samples were scrapped."
"......However, it is known that a few survived."
First one I have seen in years, years of e- bay watching!
Cool! And now Hillary Stone who has one, is offering it on e- bay!

Don't miss it!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Sturmey- Archer XAG Prototype dynohub on e- bay posted by sam on 4/19/2008 at 12:54:59 PM
Usually hillary gives details--this time he only says prototype--so Chris,what the story on the XAG?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Sturmey- Archer XAG Prototype dynohub on e- bay posted by Chris on 4/20/2008 at 12:40:35 PM
They discontinued the G.H.6 after years of production. Then they( Sturmey- Archer) came out with this new version the X.A.G. with the newer ceramic magnet technology, and an alloy shell. This one is combined with a 3 speed hub gear as well! which makes it even more valuable. this is an updated A.G. 3 speed basically! The Hadland book tells of it being a lone, front dynohub but there must have been a rear version made because here it is, in real life! I am surprised.The stupid board of directors killed it off and the few they had made were supposed to be scrapped but as Hadland writes a few survived, smuggled out of Sturmey- Archer's factory.

I e- mailed and phoned Hadland with many of my silly but thought provoking, questions. He tracked down leads and went looking to find the answers to my questions for example the home of Rawlings the inventor of the dynohub.
I was working a night job and got stuff out of the way, and there was nothing to do, so I used my calling card to ring up companies all over the world. I would charge it on the home phone. I struck up a conversation with a gal named Veronica at Raleigh South Africa and very nearly had a Raleigh D.L.1. with the new motor attachment shipped to Canada and then over the boarder, to the States but we ran out of time as Raleigh closed down their African business. As to my coorespondence with Tony Hadland he took notes and some of those, are penciled in on Hadlands papers which he has donated to the National Cycle archive I believe.

I do suggest, strongly that you buy it. And Hillary is the best and honest and reliable.


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Sturmey- Archer XAG Prototype dynohub on e- bay posted by Chris on 4/20/2008 at 12:49:24 PM
Buy the book the Sturmey- Archer story from Tony Hadland's website..

Another book is: The Dancing Chain History and developement of the derailer bicycle. I forget the authors names
Rob Vanderplas? I think?
Excellent, comprehensive, enthralling.
You will have to special order it at the main bookstore and it is not cheap.
I studied the book, ate, slept, and studied it and then went to Detroit to the cold, basement of the six and Livernois shop and then got to buy many, many of the different parts and derailers mentioned in the book!
It was magical.

Knowledge and a excellent stash / source to draw from.

A winning combination.

Both books are now in updated form.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    Sturmey- Archer XAG Prototype dynohub on e- bay posted by C.J.A on 5/11/2008 at 1:30:00 PM
a guy named hillary? He must get picked on.

AGE / VALUE:   new hudson lt birmingham posted by: Anna on 4/18/2008 at 8:25:09 AM

I've had the good fortune of having come across this bike and would like to know more about it. It is in pretty poor condition and I'm wondering whether if it is worth restoring and if it is worth anything (although I just like it for it's orginal style and not for it's value).



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   new hudson lt birmingham posted by Chris on 4/18/2008 at 11:12:41 AM
Yes: It's worth it to get it into safe, ridable condition. I would get out and enjoy riding the bike if I were you.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   new hudson lt birmingham posted by Steve on 4/18/2008 at 11:26:35 AM
I have a New Hudson here, I tend to ride it more than the others, it's just a comfortable relaxed ride (see readers rides).