AGE / VALUE:   Steves wife posted by: stephen hogben on 5/7/2008 at 3:17:11 PM
Steve sorry to hear about your wife.There is not much respect shown to cyclists nowdays,been knocked off my bike twice now!Stick to back roads and tow paths etc.Hope wife gets better soon.Another bike to mend eh!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Steves wife posted by Steve on 5/7/2008 at 3:57:42 PM
Thanks Stephen.
Wife on the mend, bike getting better.
Fingers crossed I've never been knocked off but that's not to say it can't happen.

I'm forever telling my children about the dangers of the road but as I said in an earlier post...quite a lot of motor vehicle drivers are pre-occupied with voice-mails, SatNavs, DVDs, hands free mobile phones, heated debate radio phone-in programmes etc etc.

Oh well, I'm going to collect a used 1 x 3/4 rim tomorrow so things are looking up !



ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by: Steve on 5/6/2008 at 3:19:56 PM
I presume that we all think that we are competent cyclists on the public highway, but may I stress that all motor vehicle drivers are certainly not.

My wife got knocked off her bike today at a busy road junction in London, luckily only cuts and bruises were the outcome as well as one seriously damaged bike.

The basic facts are, the world is getting faster, more impatient and more careless (to name a few), so have your wits about you at all times and wear the appropriate gear.

The drivers excuses were pathetic, my wifes comments were unprintable and the bike has just survived six hours of major surgery but will be back on the road tomorrow with yet more scars and replacement parts (from the stock pile).

Right, now I've got that off my chest, It's time for a nice cup of tea !



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Christopher on 5/6/2008 at 4:09:59 PM
Hold her and tell her how much you love her. You could have lost her. I am sorry to hear of her accident. Are you sure the frame of the bike is ok?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Steve on 5/6/2008 at 5:20:26 PM
Thanks Christopher, I've just finished applying the dressings and all that "make you better cream stuff" !

What you say is right, there's no doubting that.

The left hand seat stay has got a "dink" smack bang in the centre of it. Both cranks, peddles, bottom bracket axle, chainwheel etc were completely deformed (and jammed), front mudguard wrecked, toggle chain severed, brake levers and gear changer bashed into different positions on the handlebars etc etc.
Surprisingly I've test ridden it tonight and it seems o.k. ?
I'll double check things in the morning.
Thanks Steve

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Safety First posted by Na on 5/7/2008 at 10:46:18 AM

I am heartily sorry to hear of your dear lady's altercation with a motor car. Thank the good Lord that she is 'relatively' unharmed and that she lives to ride another day.

Regarding the bicycle, be careful. The seat stay damage may be more than first shows. You need to look at the bike head on and from its pert little rear too. The wheels must be in agreement on the perpendicular. If not then remedial action or replacement of frame may be required. Check and double check every component. I know you wouldn't risk your better half on a substandard machine.

Now take her in your arms and give her a gentle squeeze. Tell her you love her very much and that the bike can be mended or replaced unlike her.

Matthew - in sombre mood.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Steve on 5/7/2008 at 3:37:44 PM
Thanks for the comments and advice Matthew.

Dear wife is very bruised and sore but has actually been out on the New Hudson today whilst I finished off repairing the 62 Raleigh.
She finds the upright position of the New Hudson more comfortable than the Raleigh at the present moment.

We're deliberately keeping the bike off front line duty for a week in order to give me time (in-between work commitments) to double check things and also get an old front mudguard (from the used spares pile, complete with go faster bullet on the front tip) painted up.

Anyhow, all appears to be well although I did have fun and games tonight when I was shortening a trade bike you would know, the chains are far sturdier on these and hey presto the pressure required to push the pin out of the link also managed to snap the casting where the link is held in position whilst performing this operation.

I suppose the moral of the story is...purchase a good quality (heavier duty) chain splitter next time !

Steve - you live and learn !

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/7/2008 at 5:26:41 PM
Damn cagers. Oh... sorry... a motorcycling colloquialism there... we refer to those in "Cages" (automobiles [motorcars]) as "Cagers".

First rule of motorcycling... that I apply to bicycling as well is as follows:

You ARE invisible.

Glad to hear the lady is on the mend as well as the velocipede. 1 x 3/4 rim? ;-)

Remember... they ARE out to get us!


Larry "Boneman" Bone - Yup... he didn't see me... not at all

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Steve on 5/8/2008 at 2:21:31 PM
Oh no, it's Larry....where's the dictionary !

I've only just calmed down from the "P" word that appeared the other day, although I am ok on this particular "ism", but I have checked it out...just in case !

Should Damn Cagers have read Dumb Cagers or is that politically incorrect ?

Yup/Yep, things are on the mend (it's amazing how many bruises appear after two days) and thanks for kind comments.

Rim comment should have read 26 x 1 3/4 (it was just me getting all excited).

Steve - invisible, transparent, nuts !

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/10/2008 at 4:02:06 AM
Not all cagers are Dumb... after all, many of us two-wheeled riders are oft seen piloting a cage... and really... cagers are only Damn cagers when we are on two wheels and they're out to get us. ;-)

Actually... given the proclivities of the two wheeled riders.. be they motorized or velocipedes we tend to be VERY much more aware of what's up on the road... and usually are much more attuned to the tenets of "Defensive" driving.

BTW... I find it most comforting to know that many here actually seek out the definitions of some of the words I tend to unleash.... that y'all have well-used dictionaries in your possession. THAT is awesome. Believe me... that is not normally the case... most times my missives go un-answered.. and in converstaions I oft get vacuous stares as a response and must re-phrase.

Plainly put... I'm a logophile. One who loves words. Large words that have almost slipped into the realm of obscurity. Those I tend not to use so much as not everyone is privy to the following website:

Here's a tip if you are in the market for a new dictionary. If it does not contain the words Defenestration or Tergiversation... it's not worth owning. But hey... that's just like... my opinion.



Larry "Boneman" Bone - sesquipedalian proclivity... Affliction? Quite possibly.....


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Steve on 5/10/2008 at 2:07:16 PM
You're quite right, not all cagers are dumb but I do worry about the things that people get up to whilst driving.

I won't bore you with a list of activities that I've seen drivers get up to during my capacity as a "professional driver" over the years, but it's probably only a matter of time before we get ladies hairdressing salon driers built in to the top of all drivers seats so that we can make maximum constructive use of time whilst sitting in traffic jams or on motorways/freeways or I suppose anywhere really !

"Would you like a cup of tea Mrs Jones while you're turning right"..."oh yes please, could I have a biscuit as well" !

Meanwhile the cyclist (who's now wearing a seatbelt thanks to recently introduced goverment legislation) is preparing his defensive position on the road hoping to God that there's no sugar in the tea and that there's plenty of biscuits to share with the emergency crew !

Sorry, I'm going off at a tangent (again).

Anyhow, back to reality...if you were to practice the lesser known art of throwing ambiguous people through windows, would you be known as a DEFENESTRATERGIVERSANIST ?

Sorry, it's been 80 degrees here today and we're (I'm) just not used to it.

My dictionary was going "great guns" until sesqui then failed miserably on pedalian.

Steve - foot spa in a car.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Safety First posted by Matthew on 5/13/2008 at 11:00:40 AM
Aha! Steve,

You obviously drove an early Austin Allegpre or an Ital, both were the practical prototypes of the foot spa car!

Matthew - so off topic it hurts

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Safety First posted by Steve on 5/13/2008 at 1:27:34 PM
O.K., I'll try and round this particular topic off the best way I can !

I've recently "landed" a HADEN...I'm guessing it's 1950's (give or take ten years each side).

It's the FIRST I've come across and I'm now checking it for SAFETY !!!....that was desperate and I apologise profusely !

From what I can gather it's yet another one produced by the once vast Birmingham stable of cycle manufacturers.

Steve - first car 1967 MG 1100 (rusty).

AGE / VALUE:   rudge whitworth posted by: stephen hogben on 5/6/2008 at 3:32:18 PM
Hello Steve thankyou for your answer. Took all of the bike back to bare metal (and rust) primed and sprayed.Will put photo on when bike complete!

AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth rebuild posted by: stephen hogben on 5/5/2008 at 1:26:47 PM
Sprayed frame today using Hammerite smooth black. It came up very well in the end,but is not an easy paint to use!There seems to be so much solvent in it that as it was warm the paint bubbled.I have used normal Hammerite (green) on a re-build of my 125cc BSA Bantam however even though it was undercoated it rusted in the dimples after about 10 years.I probably did not put enough on!Do you have this paint in America? It is good stuff!So tommorow I can start to put it back together. It will be all origonal apart from ball bearings (kept the origonals)and 1tyre.Obviously the inner tubes must have been replaced at some time,but they are still of an old type with metal dust caps. the only thing I am dreading is the fully enclosed chain guard/oil bath,it is going to be a sod to get back on without damaging surrounding paintwork! Old bikes in England are not seen as any thing to be looked after they are just junk and taken down the dump,much like the old British motor cycles were in the 1970,s ! I used to have 22 of them in my garage and gave them away for a song when I moved house! So now collecting push bikes.1934 Philips £1, 1936 Rudge Whitworth £0 and a Hercules,think after 1960 as it has Raleigh type chain guard and front mud guard 50p. Any way when I have finished this bike would you like to see it? You will have to tell me how to take a photo of it and get on this web site! Probably bored the pants off you with this long and boring message. Wife thinks Im nuts as well !

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth rebuild posted by Steve on 5/5/2008 at 4:15:24 PM
My wife married me thirteen years ago on the condition that I maintain her Swedish "Crescent" bike for ever, sadly it got stolen last year...did that make me a free man ?
NO, it meant that I had to source an old dog of a ladies bike and build it up to the shining example it is today ?
Wife still thinks I'm nuts but mentions the word genius when the tyres need blowing up !

Time and weather permitting I'm due to do some spraying soon, so it was interesting to read your comments. Did you go back to bare metal or just rub down and primer etc.

Presuming you've got a digital camera, download the pictures onto your computer then transfer the required image onto ReadersRides or into the "Add a picture" box below the "Your message" box.

Good luck with the chainguard, I suppose lots of patience, tea and biscuits or possibly even one of those nurses you see in the operating theatre mopping the brow of the surgeons head whilst he performs a highly delicate manoeuvre during a major life saving operation.
Just a thought.

AGE / VALUE:   Birmingham Hercules 1948? posted by: al fickensher on 5/3/2008 at 7:07:34 PM
GU 4939
That's the s/n on the left side of the lug beneath the saddle. This is a cable-brake Hercules with a Herc rear hub that is marked:
--3 Speed--
Made in England

The seat tube has a script decal saying SPORTS MODEL

Someone upon seeing a side-view photo of it mentioned "reverse-slope top tube" . I really don't know if that's significant or not. I kinda wonder if that might be akin to a bucket of propwash.

The bike is black with red pinstriping on each tube including seatstays and chainstays as well as fork and chainguard (hockey stick). The mudguards are a cream color. There is no rear white flash nor is there a reflector (no hole to mount one).

Again that S/N GU 4939

Please, can anyone relate that s/n into a build year?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Birmingham Hercules 1948? posted by Na on 5/4/2008 at 2:07:24 PM

A photo would cover a thousand words. Can you post one?

Matthew - its in the detail

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Birmingham Hercules 1948? posted by al fickensher on 5/4/2008 at 3:37:25 PM
Not unless there is some way that the photo can be popsted directly to the messages in this forum. I just plain haven't set up with one of those flicker or whatever places to hold photos. Don't ask, it's generational I think.

I have a few photos and even sized em decently for e-mailing. I would e-mail a pic or two to anyone personally who thought they might have some info to help me ID the bike.