MISC:   Happy Fathers' Day! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/15/2008 at 4:14:03 AM
A bit off-topic but let's face it.... unto whom may many of us owe the skills of velocipede tinkering?

Dunno about y'all... but my dad was the first one to put a wrench (spanner) in my hands, eh?


Larry "Boneman" Bone - put it BACK when you're done!

   RE:MISC:   Happy Fathers' Day! posted by Brian on 6/15/2008 at 8:24:02 AM
My Dad had a Bicycle Repair Shop even before I was born. He taught me the basics of mechanics and working with tools. As a kid, I had the worst bike on the street. I guess that was Dad's way of teaching me to work with my hands. I was always working that bike when I wasnt riding it. So many things that Dad knew about old bicycles, wish he was still here so I could ask him about them.


   RE:MISC: Happy Fathers' Day! posted by Matthew on 6/17/2008 at 10:23:50 AM
My Dad, with a lovely set of black finished Williams Superslim Witworth spanners.

A family friend taught me how to mend bicycle punctures and I have become most proficient over the years. I actually find the process quite theraputic. Not quite so in the rain by the road side though.

Matthew - passing it on

   RE:RE:MISC:   Happy Fathers' Day! posted by Chris on 6/20/2008 at 1:46:21 PM
I'll take the Dayton motor wheel and the gal on the right. the other two gals are kinda scary. Forced to choose? I'll take the Dayton Motor Wheel!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:  Biker gals on the bike site posted by Chris on 6/23/2008 at 6:45:42 PM
Click under "more antique bicycles"

the one with the mirrow sunglasses, on the right.

I would much rather be seeing what Hillary Stone is offering on English e- bay any day.

AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Stephen Hogben on 6/14/2008 at 2:00:34 PM
O.K. Thanks to Steve (cheers mate) have managed to name my file on "readers rides" even without any help!Am seriously thinking now of cycling into work on my Hercules (one and a half miles)as I can do it in the same time as the car,a 4 litre V8 supercharged Jaguar (honest) M.P.G.EEEEEEK and save myself £30 a week.Hear soon. Thanks again Steve.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Rudge Whitworth posted by Matthew on 6/14/2008 at 3:42:23 PM
Hi Stephen,

Its a good photo of your (probably) pre WW2 bicycle. She's a very sweet machine. I work in Norwich and can cross the city (at least 5 miles) in about 22mins at any time of day. That's a great deal cheaper than colleagues using a car and at peak times its about 15 mins quicker too.

This week is British Bike week.

Matthew - all you gotta do is ride (insert your name in place of) Sally; ride!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by Stephen Hogben on 6/18/2008 at 7:51:02 AM
This bike has transfers saying by appointment to King George V and to appointment to the late King George V. So as King George V died in 1935 it would seem to age this machine to 1935-1936 era.

AGE / VALUE:   bicycle thief curse posted by: Chris on 6/14/2008 at 9:29:11 AM
When being stolen,
I wish my bikes would come alive and take the bicycle thief (who had just stolen my bike) straight out into the highway and into the path of a cement mixer, gas hauling 18 wheeler or other large, fast moving vehicle where the crack head thief would get what he (or she) deserves.

Then the bike, undamaged despite being run over could come back to me on it's own.
I'd wipe the blood off and cleam and wax it lovingly.

I said he or she but you never hear about a bicycle thief being a female only male. I'll bet there are female bicycle thiefs out there

I confess to loving the "Friday the 13 the series" t.v. show that was on cable a few years ago.
That Louise Anne Robey! Red headed goddess!
Yes, get Lewis Vendredi to curse the collection. "Look up 1937 Humber Cobb Tourist" in the manifest, Ryan
great show!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   bicycle thief curse posted by Chris on 6/14/2008 at 9:41:47 AM
I probably would not confront a thief if I did see somebody taking the thing. It's not worth getting stabbed or shot over.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   bicycle thief curse posted by Steve on 6/14/2008 at 10:56:19 AM
Having suffered from bike theft (my wifes well-built Crescent actually, that I had looked after so carefully for years), I can understand these comments.

I can think of far worse actions than 18 wheeler cement mixers but as you say...it's not worth getting stabbed or shot over.

Sad we have to talk in this tone, I suppose good security measures (not flimsy ones) is the way to go.

The big plus in my own personal case is that it got me back into bikes after an absence of many years.

Steve - where's my spanner gone ?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bicycle thief curse posted by Chris on 6/16/2008 at 6:40:35 PM
Life is learning. I met a fellow who had chains keeping his son's bike from being stolen, he got them in an oil field job. Heavy but it will keep the bike from being stolen, something special about these chains, and I'm determined to conjure up another bike, identical. Today, I bought the chain from the guy and I am going to carry this on the bike.
Actually, at age 39, and with all the involvement with bikes I have been through, and this being the first one I've lost, I feel I've been pretty lucky. I read someplace that men have to climb over failure on their way to the final goal. I n my case, that means a bit of stupidity as well.

I leaned it up across the hallway and went in to answer a friends request and I forgot the bike leaving it out overnight. In San Antonio, Tx this was a damned fool thing to do.
We live and learn. I hope you all learn quicker than me.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bicycle thief curse posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/17/2008 at 2:36:45 AM
Your tale of the "CHAIN" reminds me of observing a fellow at work. He had this $7000 (yes seven THOUSAND dollar) "Rolling Cloud"... I think it's like carbon fibre and weight like 15oz...

The chain he carried to secure it weighs more than the bike itself.

I do hope there's a spcial place in he|| for bicycle thieves...


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bicycle thief curse posted by Chris on 6/19/2008 at 5:55:15 PM
I was wondering if bicycle theft is a thing that the gals from "the wrong side of the tracks" do. I mean, anybody ever catch a bike thief in action and here under the hat it's a chick?
The lightning fast scumballs with the tools of the trade...
I think 99% of all bike thiefs are probably men. I just don't see gals doing this. I probably am wrong.

The oil field guy told me "they ain't gonna break that chain...."

AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Stephen Hogben on 6/14/2008 at 7:56:28 AM
The frame might well be "flexy" due to the front end being put on a bonfire,that would definetly weaken the steel.Funnily enough I did not notice the play until I tightened the loose headstock bearings.The photo is on under consruction(last updated on 6/7/2008 1:17:31pm)Ta hear from you all soon!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame stress flexing etc posted by: Steve on 6/14/2008 at 1:46:47 AM
Due to comment on posting below I was just wondering if there's any proof of flexing due to continuous stresses (not overweight women/wives might I add) more so on traditional womens bikes and also on some trade bikes/cycle trucks due to there being no frame cross-bar as usually found on all traditional mens bikes and most trade bikes.

I've noticed that some ladies bikes have an extra section of framework linking the down tubes and that some trade bikes (depending on make) also have strengtheners.

Steve - not stressed anymore.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Frame stress flexing etc posted by Matthew on 6/14/2008 at 3:37:29 PM

Here are my thoughts about frame flexing. A gents frame is inherantly stronger than a mixte (ladies) frame because the former is built around two (or in the case of GT and some Bates - 3) triangles. A mixte frame will flex as will a ladies loop frame. My old early 1980s Triumph traffic master ladies model would flex when I was honking (pedaling with great effort and making the bicycle sway from side to side) as would my 1930s loop framed Herc. There is every good (or bad) reason for such a frame to do so as lateral forces can be brought to bear, in opposite directions, on the seat tube and headstock, at the same time. It isn't jet propulsion technology. Yes frame will fail if subjected to this treatment often enough over a period of time but bikes from the 1930s which have survived thus far are probably able to continue for many years yet. The short link tube on loop framed bicycles, which joins the loop to the lower tube is there to stiffen the frame. It won't stop flex but will greatly reduce it at little cost in weight and expense.

High wheeled ordinaries will break on or around the saddle / headstock because of the magnitude of flexing and thus stress in the frame at these points. Frequent flexing leads to stress, work hardening and subsequent fracture of metal. Try bending a wire coat hanger several dozen times in the same place, it will break.

Matthew - less stress; more fun.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame stress flexing etc posted by Steve on 6/14/2008 at 4:47:39 PM
Matthew, have you just invented the word mixte ?

I've just consulted with my Collins Concise Dictionary Plus and drawn a blank, but what makes this really bad is the fact that I've just been thrashed at Scrabble and wife has accused me of inventing words !

I would never do such a thing.

Steve - honest ?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Frame stress flexing etc posted by Matthew on 6/16/2008 at 12:04:51 AM
Hi Steve,

Picture Page 81 & description in adjacent text 'Richards New Bicycle Book' By Richard Ballantine IBSN 0-9446609-77-2

WARNING - This is a dangerous book! It changed my attitude to cycling forever. Mr Ballantine is as near to Sheldon Brown as anyone is likely to get. He is a cyclist, enthusiast, knowledgeable expert and source of valuable information.

Matthew - I never made it up, honest.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Frame stress flexing etc posted by Steve on 6/16/2008 at 10:53:29 AM
Thanks Matthew,

Maybe it's about time I invested in a good book. If Mr Ballantine is mentioned in the same sentence as Sheldon Brown...well, that's good enough for me.

I've kept away from books until now simply because I have hundreds of transport related books that are gathering dust as well as impeding access to my bed at night time !

My Sturmey Archer Bible is kept well away from the bedside.

Steve - I might have two bike books soon !