MISC:   tires posted by: Brandt on 6/7/2008 at 3:57:16 PM
I have a pair of old tires that say "Schwinn Spitfire" and "to fit EA-3 rim only" This seems surprising that Schwinn would make a tire for an EA-3. The size is 26 x 1 3/8 Anyone know why this is? Anyone interested in them?

   RE:MISC: tires posted by sam on 6/8/2008 at 4:52:27 PM
These fit their travler line of bikes.
But also schwinn middleweight bikes(S-7 rims) that came out in 1955 also used an english rim size(F10 or F12 I think that was used on English carrier bikes) not the more common american size.

   RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn Traveler bicycle posted by Chris on 6/10/2008 at 6:20:48 PM
Schwinn came out with the Schwinn traveler bike that was Schwinns version of an english 3 speed. I was in Detroit in February at an old shop and I bought one from a man who came in the shop. I followed him to his house, in the snow, into a somewhat interesting neighborhood thru snapping Pit Bulls and saw the collection and I picked out a ladies 1948 Model Schwinn Traveler in blue with a locking fork with the key and it had an alloy shell Sturmey- Archer A.W. three speed hub. The bike was solidly built and thus heavier than a comparable English bike. I found still wrapped stainless steel fenders that went to these bikes in the cold, unheated subbasement of the shop. Later on, the stainless steel fenders were discontinued. The Schwinn was made in Chicago but had British Miller generator sets and the Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs and triggers.

Schwinn had a habit of turning down the 3 speed trigger shifters on the handlebars so it would not be so obvious that it was a Sturmey- Archer shifter.\

It was a lovely color of blue and white and the paint work had neat decals.

Schwinn copied the Raleigh Superbe 26 x 1 3/6 rims and thus had a tire of the same size.

The Raleigh director in England was a personal friend of Frank W. Schwinn

Schwinn gobbled up a lot of Sturmey hubs that found their way onto American bikes.

The English designation is Ea -3

and the Schwinn designation is E- a 1 and funny thing is they do not interchange.
It was a cool little bike but heavier to ride than my British bikes.

I jumped in and got it cheap and the owner wanted to see the bikes himself, buy them, then call me and mark it up and I was not going to have any part of that.

My Detroit adventures were really something else!
Detroit was the "aris of the Midwest"and she was something to behold.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Schwinn Traveler bicycle posted by Chris on 6/10/2008 at 6:26:41 PM
"Paris of the Midwest" as in Paris, France.

Do I have that right? e- a 3 is English e- a 1 is Schwinn

I sit here trying to imagine what it would be like to go thru and buy stuff like crazy at an old, dilapidated, bicycle shop in France. But then again, the competition would be fierce.


AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by: Steve on 6/7/2008 at 2:52:07 PM
Cottered bottom bracket hmmmm.

I've just made space at "the Inn" for one more stray (this really is the last one) !

This is the first bike I've owned with a cottered B/B and there's enough sideways play in there to drive a double-decker bus through it !
Due to storage for many years, the bike was as stiff as anything on acquisition but now I've freed it off it's starting to show its "true colours" (worn out parts).
The design looks quite dated, but is it ?

Bike looks like 1950's etc, question is...how long was this design kept in production (please don't tell me that it still is in production) !

Any info on this (or tips) would be much appreciated.

Steve - not a B/B King.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: B/B King (not really) posted by Warren on 6/8/2008 at 9:38:31 AM
Steve,I have little doubt that someone is installing cottered cranksets somehwere in the world. Still, its a tried and proven system and if your bike is 50's british, you can likely regrease, replace the bearings and readjust and it will be good for 50 more years. If the bearing surfaces on the axle are totally pitted, they are cheap and available.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: B/B King (not really) posted by Matthew on 6/8/2008 at 10:18:03 AM
HI Steve,

I assume you are talking about the narrow cotters through the frame which hold the bottom bracket cups in place? I have had (still got one) a couple of bikes with cottered BB. The design apparently fizzled out in the early thirties. I have only seen it on trade bikes, one of the two I have owned wwas a GPO model. The idea is sound and it works so I think it was abandoned on cost grounds or the fact that BB design improved, legs got weaker or it was too expensive. Needless to say extreme care is needed when removing the cotters. Localised heat may help, also use Plus Gas or penetrating oil first. Heat will make the grease spit and smoulder but I have survived many heated exchanges and don't think you are in danger of expiring as a result. However do try to do this outdoors with a faithful retainer nearby to summon London's noble fire brigade if a conflaguration should ensue on your curtilage. (or if there's a fire at your gaff).

I sincerely doubt there a many or any spare BB cotters about. I certainly haven't got any, though you would be welcome if I had.

Matthew - they don't call me spitfire for nothing, they don't call me spitfire at all!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Pete. on 6/8/2008 at 1:38:26 PM
I have cottored bottom brackets on a couple of my roadsters.(the crossframe and a large unknown bike I have)
They both came apart without too much trouble.I noticed that my old mate had in one of his drawers a selection of cotters that looked similair to the ones in my bikes.I managed to reuse the old ones so didn't need them.If you get really stuck let me know and I'll dig them out and see if they are suitable replacements.
My research at the time led to the conclusion that they stopped using such things in the twenties or thirties which would agree with Matthews statement.
See image to confirm this is the arrangement you have.
Cheers Pete.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Steve on 6/8/2008 at 2:41:52 PM
Thanks Gents,

As you may know, I'm the enthusiastic "mender" with no books (and limited knowledge) to refer to (or exploded diagram off the internet), so I'm a little tentative over the next move.

I've adjusted the rod linkages, cones, chain etc etc today in order to test ride it to the shop and back...it's the only time I offer to go to the shop !

The bike is a low gravity trade bike of unknown make and being honest about things, it's the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned with my little collection of old stagers (I don't really have any great interest in any other types of bikes).

The sideways play is around 1/4 of an inch so it's obviously time for inspection.
I've got my good old faithfull bunson burner at the ready just in case it puts up a fight.
I wasn't quite sure what function the cotters were actually carrying out hence requiring the knowledge of you thoroughbreds !
I was also concerned that there might be some oddball type of axle...the type that was last available off the shelf in 1929 !
Checking with Pete's image, it's similar to this but maybe a few degrees further round the bracket - I will try and take a photo and post it tomorrow.

It's a fascinating hobby...I don't know what make it is, I don't know what year it is, I don't know what some of the parts do, I don't know its history...but these things ooze with character and mystery !

Steve - half the time I don't even know what I'm talking about !
p.s. Was BB Kings guitar called Lucille ?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Pete. on 6/8/2008 at 3:04:10 PM
Assumably mine is at a different angle because of the tubing arrangement of the xframe

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Steve on 6/9/2008 at 12:57:01 AM
BB as mentioned.

Ignore the rust, it's minor detail at this stage !

Steve - must dash !


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: B/B King (not really) posted by Warren on 6/9/2008 at 4:24:44 AM
Wow...never seen one of those. Never seen it talked about here either.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: B/B King (not really) posted by Matthew on 6/9/2008 at 9:50:30 AM
Hi Steve et al,

This isn't like mine because the cotters appear to be as big as the crank cotters. My BB cotters are only about 3/16th of an inch in diameter, more like Pete's but upright like Steve's. Warren I have mentioned cottered BBs occasionally but I guess folks thought I meant cottered cranks.

Matthew - mines a small one.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Geoff Rogers on 6/9/2008 at 1:14:42 PM
The pic looks like the "cotter" is functioning as a pinch bolt to keep the bearing cup from rotating. The cup looks to be threaded into the BB, as it has the holes one sees in Phillips BB cups for the pin spanner. It looks very old indeed! Keep us all posted, we are on tenterhooks over this one (are tenterhooks the things they hung the meat on before the boy delivered it on this bicycle?). And yes, Lucille is the name of BB King's guitar.
Geoff Rogers
I don't name my guitars, but then, I am no B.B. King. And does B.B. stand for "Bottom Bracket?" No wonder they call him by his initials.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Steve on 6/9/2008 at 3:01:59 PM
Well, what can I say...I know...I'll just post a couple of pictures.

Lets face it, I know very little apart from the fact that it has a 22" frame with the serial number stamped in the usual seat lug location that reads 18416.

The bike is rideable (just), it feels a little rickety, the rear axle has some stripped threads...I had to pack three or four extra washers on the axle (to tighten the nut up on good threads) in order to test ride it yesterday.

What a sight...my cycle helmet is striped yellow and black, I've shrunk to 5' 11", my bike is worn out...I look like a wasp on stilts performing a circus act !

When you get a round of applause as you ride past a queue at a bus stop in West London, you just know that you're bringing happiness to these underprivilaged people.

Tenterhooks is what I'm on when I ride the bike but...according to my Boys Own book of extremely big words, it also means something to hold/stretch cloth on !

Sometimes when I'm staring into the hedge for inspiration (whilst automatically and continuously dunking my digestive biscuits into my tea and torpedoing them in the general direction of my lower face), I question whether there could have been a better word/s than bottom bracket (BB) ?
Is there a top bracket ?

Anyhow, it's getting late here (and I've completed a tour of the English Cotswolds today in hot weather) hence my sensible and constructive comments are showing serious signs of fatigue, so I better fade out now before the silly stuff starts !

Steve - I'll stick the photos underneath in a minute !

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B/B King (not really) posted by Steve on 6/9/2008 at 3:10:35 PM
Re above

See readers rides pictures 14 & 15 for further photos.



AGE / VALUE:   Thanks Steve. posted by: Stephen Hogben on 6/7/2008 at 2:57:36 PM
Yes thank you steve for your help also.Still new to computers,so learning slowly,veeeeeeeery slooooowly!Slide in background is my grandsons (Connor) and have been forced to go down it a couple of times by him! tight squeeze but still just make it!Thanks again.

AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Stephen Hogben on 6/7/2008 at 1:42:26 PM
P.S. Got to do saddle yet!

AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Stephen Hogben on 6/7/2008 at 1:31:54 PM
Right, after a week of pulling my hair out(and others)I have managed with much help (Large thanks to Elizabeth and Warren)to get photo on line!It is under readers rides.That is as near to this site that I could get!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rudge Whitworth posted by Steve on 6/7/2008 at 2:51:03 PM
Well done Stephen, Elizabeth & Warren on all counts.

It would have taken me at least three pages to explain how to do it, I was going to attempt it on Sunday (tomorrow) but thankfully...for your sanity, it didn't come to that.

I'm somewhat concerned about the slide in the background, surely that's to small for you !

Steve - B/B King (not really, only joking).