ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Flying wheel posted by: Derick Spice on 8/13/2008 at 2:12:09 AM
Please can anyone help my brother was talking the other day about when we were kids that he had this bike with an engine in the middle of the back wheel.He thinks the name is the flying wheel.has anyone heard of this or got any pictures.It would have been back in the 1950s.Thank you.Derick

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Flying wheel posted by Mr. X on 8/13/2008 at 10:29:21 AM

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Matthew on 8/13/2008 at 11:47:57 AM

I think your brother may be recalling a BSA Winged wheel.

Matthew - wheels on fire

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Chris on 8/13/2008 at 1:21:22 PM
Yes, I agree.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by sam on 8/13/2008 at 7:11:48 PM


Or my new ride:
1938 Melvern Star frame,Webb fork,new Staton chain drive robin 33cc 4 strok engine/18 to 1 reduction box and staton 4 sealed barring hub with sun rims.top speed App.25mph.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Matthew on 8/15/2008 at 10:00:27 AM
Picture found on the internet, by searching BSA winged wheel.

Matthew - its not what you know its where you know what to look for.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 11:05:08 AM
Go and rent the movie: "The Son of the Pink Panther." (1993 ) Roberto Begnigni is the star who portrays the son of the late French Inspector, Jacques Clousseau. (That's chief Inspector) This was the last film in the series that was directed by Blake Edwards.

In it, near the beginning is an awesome scene where Roberto rides a rod brake bike with exactly one of these B.S.A. "winged wheel" motors. It was the best scene in the movie.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 11:06:44 AM
The "vincent firefly" is my favorite

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 3:35:56 PM
Roger Worton, who has a magazine called "Buzzing"

Autocycle spares is the name of the outfit that Roger runs.

Of course he sells bicycle parts...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Flying wheel posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 3:38:27 PM
Roger is based in the U.K.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pashley Prospero - missing bits posted by: Alonzo on 8/12/2008 at 11:35:08 PM

A friend of mine gave this Pashley bike in pieces. Built in 1992 or thereabouts, dated from the Sturmey Archer hub. It's a rod brake, Tourist-style bike. Not as well built as older Raleigh DL1s. Still a smooth ride. Plastic enclosed chainguard, nice leather sprung saddle. Reminds me of my Dutch Gazelle.

I suceeded in straightening the fork and knocked out a dent in the rear mudguard. But what I'm missing are two bolts necessary for the rod brakes. I believe they're called head tube studs. They bind down on the adjusting rods where they slide inside each rod brake tube. 7-8mm diameter, with 1/8-inch holes through the studs.

The rod brakes on these Prosperos appear to be Italian made. Any idea where to get parts?

If not I'll be forced to fabricate my own. Oh, for my own machine shop...

By the by, I did email Pashley, but they were no help.

Thanks for any advice.

AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by: Chris on 8/11/2008 at 6:42:43 PM
I was hoping that some of my friends across the pond in England can shed some light on what is happening with the chain of stores called: Curry's.

Has anybody bought up old stock of parts and bicycle related items from the old stores? tell me what did you find?


   RE:AGE / VALUE: What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Matthew on 8/12/2008 at 10:19:35 AM
Curry's stopped retailing bicycles in the 1960s. They concentrated on their radio & electrical business and they are still a large scale electrical retailer in the Uk and they are part of either the Kingfisher or Centrica Retail group.

Matthew - shopped.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Keith Body on 8/12/2008 at 12:40:06 PM
Currys, the only cycle you get there now is a wash cycle.
Yes bicycles were a waste of space in the UK 1960's in high street stores. Is it part of the Dixons Group?
I rebuilt a Prewar Hercules racer in the 1960's for the Rev. Curry, a member of the original owning family, which would now make quite a collectible rarity. A hand built frame, nothing like the £3.99 bikes they were famous for.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Christopher on 8/12/2008 at 3:43:58 PM
Wow! That's awesome, Keith. I would love to have been there when Curry's was sheding all those bicycles and parts from the wharehouse where they kept all that back stock going back 60 some years!


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Chris on 8/12/2008 at 4:07:15 PM
I guess my question was (or is) is it all gone? has anybody gone thru all the Curry's stores looking for some shed or storehouse or basement or wherever it was stored. Is all of the Curry's stores totally modern? With cell phones and modern stock or does any of these goodies still exist lurking about? Sound like it's already been cleaned out. But then again.......???

I ask my pals in England to do some investigating to find out.

Also my # 1 question is.
Who was there when it was cleaned out. I think Curry's would have rang up somebody and sold it all, or perhaps an auction? I want to hear from folks who were there when Curry's unloaded all the goodies. Please don't tell me it all got thrown out into the skip or I'll be stopping off at the pub on my way home. I remember all the ads for Curry's in Cycling magazine. Curry's were HUGE! HUGE ! HUGE!

I went thru a shop and they said they had no old things about, it was all gone and I went home worrying that I had struck out but I had a feeling about it, and I asked a jobber friend about it and I returned dropping his name and he had called the people up and had said "Show the kid the stash, the collection, he has ca$h" and justs wants some rod brake parts. Upon my return, I was ushered upstairs over the shop and the place was full of bikes and parts. He put his finger to his lips and up the stairs we went. So as, I have written before , it is out there waiting to be discovered. Hopefully by you and I and the gang here!

Keith, where is that bike today? If it has fallen into the hands of somebody's grandson who is riding it over kerbs and been repainted it with a rattle spray can. I give you my blessing to go buy the bike from the family and get the grandson another bike.

In closing, it comes down to If you don't, somebody else will.

What bothers me to no end is that often they are ignorant, nitwits who throw it out, burn it up in the wood stove, call the scrap man and it gets melted down. Things fall into hands of folks who don't know what it is that they have.

Get your flashlight (torch) a good pair of work clothes, your g.p.s. navigation computer, the old phone books, cycle magazines, and go find this stuff!

report back to me what you find and I beg you to take pictures. It's the adventure, the thrill of the chase, you never know what you will find!

Also, there is $$$$$$$ money, to be made in this!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/13/2008 at 2:27:37 AM
>Currys, the only cycle you get there now is a wash cycle.

You nailed me with that one Mr. Brody... here I am... 5:20 AM half asleep... CHOKING on the mouthful of coffee I had when I read that line....

Well DONE, Sir!


Larry "Boneman" Bone - with funny bone afflicted.....

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Steve on 8/13/2008 at 2:51:07 AM
I have a Curry's just down the road from me, and as far as I'm concerned it may as well have just landed from MARS...it's full of techno Toasters, Sat Lavs (sorry Navs), Cameras that do a million things, Washing Machines, Driers, Fridges and a million and one other things that you wouldn't want in your workshop.

Funny thing is...I was in Halfords yesterday (which strangely enough is quite often next door or very close to Currys on many shopping complexes throughout the country) and as I was waiting at the till to be served with four new 26 x 2 x 1 3/4 tyres (ha ha ha) I was staring at the half price Raleigh bikes that they were trying very hard to offload.

The "little devil" in me was very tempted to ask the shop assistant some questions :-

1, Who are Raleigh ?
2, Are they a new company ?
3, Where are they made ?
4, Are they any good ?
5, Why are you selling them at half price ?

Well, I felt that it was maybe somewhat unfair of me to do this, so the "little angel" in me kept quiet and handed over my pounds, shillings and pence and returned home to my garage (deep in thought) to drill out yet more rusty wheels !

Steve - it's curry tonight !


   RE:AGE / VALUE: What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Matthew on 8/13/2008 at 12:02:36 PM
Hi Steve,

I think I have come up with a new sales banner for Halfords especially the 'Bike Hut' section.

'Abandon hope all ye (cyclists) who enter here'

The Norwich branch is a soulless dive built on the site of the former M&GNR City Station. If you are over 19 and don't have facial piercings then it really isn't your place. The staff there are younger than my children and look like extras from 'Home and Away' They probably say things like 'Dude' and 'awesome' with Norridge accent. (Dewd and Orrsum)
One young chap answered my civil question quite politely but treated me like a spaceman with Alzheimer's disease.

I did buy a new helmet there - Bell faction Tony Hawkes edition - Dewd! Just 20 quid, orrsum!

Keith you made me chuckle too; what about the faster model - the spins cycle? I like the account of Rev. Curry's bike. I wonder where it is now? So Curry's bikes were the Apollos of their day then? Were Vindec any better? Were Vincent & Derek the Brown brothers?

Matthew - for the answer to these and many more questions don't miss the next exciting edition of 'The Haemaroids - a cycling tail'

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Steve on 8/13/2008 at 1:54:44 PM
Hi Matthew,

O.K. I'll come clean about my visit to Halfords.

I had just been to a large builders outlet nextdoor to purchase a gallon of white spirit (paint remover/brush cleaner etc) when I suddenly realised that I had run out of rim tapes...out of curiosity I thought I would call in to Halfords and see if I could get a bundle of tapes for a pound (£1.00) !

Well, I could get a tape (one rim tape) in a nice plastic packet... cost £2.99...there's four bikes in my garage that have cost less than that !

Anyhow, obviously I didn't buy it, but surprisingly I did spot two Woods valves and a valve converter (this will allow me to use my foot pump on the 26 x 2 x 1 3/4 tubes) in a nice plastic packet for 99 pence (reduced from £149.00 or maybe £1.49), I've got plenty of Woods valves but I didn't have a converter so I duly purchased this and life has been a bed of roses ever since !

Whilst on my cycling holiday last week, I managed to get a puncture (in the rear tyre of course)...no problem I've got a spare 26 x 2 x 1 3/4 tube with me (I'll repair the other one later that day to save on time, and just do a swap for now).
The replacement tube had a Woods valve attached to it, perfectly o.k. nothing wrong with that but...I'm in the hedge at the side of a country lane on the hottest day of the year, my bog standard hand pump is struggling to inflate the tyre to it's minimum level (never mind the maximum level)...the pump is now getting so hot, I'm on the verge of acquiring third degree burns !

Anyhow, a local man nearby had noticed my predicament and offered me the use of his air-line, this I thought was great until I realised that it wouldn't adapt to the Woods valve...if only I had had my adaptor/converter that day !

After the pump had cooled down, I did manage to inflate the tube/tyre to a reasonable level, but it would have been a damn sight easier (and quicker) using a foot pump or the kind mans offer of his air-line.

Steve - learning the hard way !


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/14/2008 at 2:24:11 AM
>for the answer to these and many more questions don't miss the next exciting edition of 'The Haemaroids - a cycling tail'

Hmmm... we're on to something... perhaps the question for the next episode should be: "What ever became of the beta-testers for preparations A thru G?"

Seems appropriate for a thread about "Currys" ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone - wonders if Mr. Methane rides a Raleigh....


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Steve on 8/14/2008 at 7:11:12 AM
Rumouroid has it that it's fast becoming the national dish !

Steve - Good old Fish and Chips tonight !

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Christopher on 8/18/2008 at 10:34:23 AM
I am remembering the excellent movie: The Time Machine. with Guy Pierce. He jumps in and pulls the leaver and it starts up and he sits and watches everything change around him. The truck stops and people get out and clean out his workshop and they carry everything off and the space is used to sell Mack brand trucks. He looks out the window and notices the length of the ladies dresses go higher and higher ( shorter and shorter) he stops the machine when the building across the street shows a banner that says: The future is now. What happened with Curry's bicycle stash? perhaps I'll have better luck in a few thousand years.

I personally dislike being called "dude" I saw on t.v. where a policeman tells this young kid "I am not a dude"
"Dude" is disrespectful, even if not intended that way.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What is happening with Curry's in England? posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 10:37:20 AM
Vindec was the Brown Brothers company's line of house brand bicycles.

AGE / VALUE:   rod brake tandem/ebay posted by: sam on 8/10/2008 at 6:41:13 PM
Anyone out in the hart land?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rod brake tandem/ebay posted by David on 8/11/2008 at 4:29:42 AM
Do you think it's Japanese? Indian?


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rod brake tandem/ebay posted by Chris on 8/11/2008 at 4:26:46 PM
How did it wind up in Kansas of all places? neat!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   rod brake tandem/ebay posted by Chris again on 8/11/2008 at 4:27:20 PM
It's English.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: rod brake tandem/ebay posted by Matthew on 8/15/2008 at 10:05:23 AM
I seldom if ever disagree with Chris but on this one I will. I think it is Indian. In all my cycling years and having come across some really rare rides I cannot say that I have ever heard of 'King Lion'. Any British make would say Made in Britain on that lovely head badge.

Matthew - in the detail

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: rod brake tandem/ebay posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 12:21:19 PM
Mathew, may be correct. I did detect a faint wisp of a trace of "something about this one" that may mean I am wrong, and that it is Indian, and not English. I replied too quickly, without pondering this one over longer. Mathew picked up on that this one may not be British after all. He has a point.

We need more pictures and, I have not heard of this name either......

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: rod brake tandem/ebay posted by Chris on 8/18/2008 at 12:24:33 PM
King Lion...... Isn't that a Hercules Cycle and Motor Co. name? I know that Hercules did have a "King" model.

I would not feel comfortable betting on this one for sure being English.

Tandems are magical!

AGE / VALUE:   brooks saddle posted by: S.H. on 8/10/2008 at 6:55:39 AM
Went to car boot again today,did not seem much there only mountain bikes,when I spotted a Brookes saddle! I said how much? he replied £25,I"ll give you £20,no no no £25,keep it then,OK £20!This saddle was immaculate,A1 brand new condition!Checked it when I got home,it was a ladies finesse Brooks saddle.Result! Now fitted to 1936 Rudge Whitworth,lookjs much better now as origonal saddle was kaput!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   brooks saddle posted by Steve on 8/10/2008 at 3:34:21 PM
I was sort of hoping that you had paid £25 for it, you would then have had..."a saddle for a pony" !

Sorry, I've been to Cambridge today, I think it's affected me !

Steve - a score is better than a pony (if you're buying).

   RE:AGE / VALUE: brooks saddle posted by Matthew on 8/11/2008 at 1:09:44 AM
Yeh Steve,

An a Ton'll kill your Pony any day.

Matthew - back to my roots.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   brooks saddle posted by Steve on 8/11/2008 at 7:28:17 AM
Neigh Matthew,

Not if there's a monkey riding on it !

Sorry,sorry,sorry..I'll stop this nonsense.

Forgot to mention that I was privileged to sit in the cockpit of a genuine airworthy Spitfire yesterday at Duxford (near Cambridge) but (and this gets better) the highlight was seeing a genuine oldish low gravity trade bike in the flight sheds...I didn't manage to get a sit on it though !

Steve - you never know what's around the corner !

   RE:AGE / VALUE: brooks saddle posted by Matthew on 8/11/2008 at 12:54:28 PM
Hi Steve,

Here's one for the grandchildren. When teaching navigators to use compasses mounted on gimbals (I kid you not; honest) The RAF used Warwick delivery tricycles, as used by Walls ice cream Ltd, with compasses mounted in the top of the delivery boxes. The erstwhile navigators 'flew' around the airfield navigating by compass. I have heard this tail from many and varied sources thus verifying it as true. My dad can remember Warwick delivery trikes being 'on base' when he was an RAF storeman (air frame parts) LAC1. They were then used as runabouts for parts etc. If you have ever ridden such a machine you will know that trying to ride one on grass is a nightmare. They are heavy, willful and cumbersome. In fact a more unwieldly carriage on (in) which to try to navigate could possibly only be found in the likes of a wounded 'Wimpey' or 'Lanc'.

Todays cycle observations in Great Yarmouth only revealed one high gravity trade bike in use, and in motion amongts a sea of modern tat.

Matthew - Dah, dah dadda da dah dah.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   brooks saddle posted by Steve on 8/11/2008 at 3:17:28 PM
If riding one on grass was a nightmare...god knows what it was like to try and land one !

I must admit that I knew nothing about this type of compass training, but it does sound perfectly logical.

Steve - you never know what is in the air !