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AGE / VALUE:   SIDE CARS posted by: PHIL on 12/16/2000 at 12:07:00 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SIDE CARS posted by Larry on 12/16/2000 at 10:09:32 AM
Once again, go to Biker Rod & Kustom. Theres a guy by the name of "Cody Kustoms", he is on this web site. Has Harley back ground behind his work. I might add, and a bike to show his work aswell.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SIDE CARS posted by Scott on 1/28/2001 at 5:44:07 PM
Go to http://www.barrettebikes.com They make sidehacks or sidecars. He might be able to do a custom job for you

MISC:   welding posted by: matt on 12/15/2000 at 11:52:04 AM
what is the best way to weld bike frames? what kind of pipes do you use and how fat does it need tobe. thanks

   RE:MISC:   welding posted by Larry on 12/15/2000 at 12:56:29 PM
Matt, Here go's www.Gaerlan.com Phone# (415)362-3866 or (415)677-89 or Caerlan Custom Cycles 838 Grant Ave Suite 410 San Fransico California 94108. Or you could go to your local steel yard, and take them a sample of tubing you are looking to buy. About the welding, if you never attempted welding, It must be taken seriuos. Get some estimates first from the local welder in your town, or take a class at the local High School or Vocational School in your area. Or get a part time job working around the shop in trade for some work or teaching, thats how I learned. Its worth it in the long run. One less thing you have to farm out!

   RE:RE:MISC:   welding posted by JimW. on 12/18/2000 at 5:04:21 AM
Once again, Larry's right on. Gaerlan has a website:
It's well worth checking out.

AGE / VALUE:   Moon discs posted by: Tim on 12/15/2000 at 11:34:58 AM
Hey guys,
Does anyone know where to get wheel discs for a bicycle? Tim.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Moon discs posted by Larry L. on 12/15/2000 at 12:23:30 PM
Hi Tim" Here you go, Moon Kustom Bicycle. http:ratfink.com/GTBO1.htm phone# 800-5475422 or if your local, (562)-944-6311 or fax:562-946-2961.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Moon discs posted by RD on 12/17/2000 at 8:21:26 PM
There is a man named Garrie Hill in Ohio that can custom make carbon fiber discs.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Moon discs posted by Obscura on 4/19/2001 at 2:59:06 PM
If you want the very best get your discs from Moon Eyes USA.
To Order Call:
They run $350 for the set of four discs and they look awsome.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Brandon on 12/15/2000 at 10:48:42 AM
I would like to apologise to my new friend Mr.Larry. I think you mis-interpreted the tone of my reponses. It's all good! I know this isn't the magazine, but I find the it pretty enjoyable, and my responses were pertaining to that subject. We come here on common ground of bicycles, which we all grew up on, and never got over. It's a cool thing. I do not wish to argue in any way. So, if we have gotten on the wrong foot, well my friend, I apologize.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry L on 12/15/2000 at 12:32:18 PM
Brandon, no problem here. Continue with your prodjects and enjoy your self doing what you do best. Theres alot of good people on this web site, so if I can be of some help to you, I will share it. If I don't know it someone else will. Enjoy your self.

CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by: JimW. on 12/12/2000 at 9:36:15 AM
The next issue of BikeRod&Kustom is going up Jan. 1.
We've got three new bikes going into the gallery then. We'd
like to have a couple more. This would be a very good time
to submit photos of your kustom ride.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Larry on 12/13/2000 at 5:18:09 PM
Hey guys! Jim has a couple of spots for some Kustom bikes in his gallery. How about you Zack? Will you be done before Jan 1st? How about Brandon? I'm sure you have a mutt or two, for Jims next gallery. If your planning on putting up your own site in the near future, Biker Rod & Kustom is a good way to get reconition towards your new site. How about you George Dowler, you have that tandem strech Krusier your working on? How about you Al Gore" I'm sure you have a bike".

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Brandon on 12/13/2000 at 8:51:15 PM
I'll try, I'm saving for Screamer parts I found, and I'm getting my frame painted this week. Have you guys ever thought about a how to on Banana seat re-covering? I just recovered mine myself and the results are great! You can use any material and sew patterns with a home sewing machine!

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Larry on 12/14/2000 at 6:39:09 AM
Brandon, Thats good to here on your seat. Any body who uses his know how and energy has my vote. On another hand you mentioned on a earlier post that you did Kustom Painting". Are you getting your frame painted this week? Or are you painting your frame this week? I can understand the reason you are saving for your prodject, money is funny with me every now and then. This is the reality of Kustom Kulture. Jim correct me if I am wrong. When you don't have it you make do. If you don't have it you make it. If you don't have it, and you have to correct your job with original parts, then this is not the web site for you . This web site is for those who create there own. Take something once manufactured and add there own way to it. Like in Lowriding you have access to many after market parts. Yes they do Kustomize there frames, with the Lowrider flavor". Its a statment all there own. So they have a Lowrider Circuit for those bicycles. This entry should be unique and mechanicaly ridable. So if anybody can show Jim a unique Machine that is different, Jim is a fair guy, so weather you get picked or not, he only has space for two more, don't take the late freight". ALL ABOARD NOW".

   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Brandon on 12/14/2000 at 10:31:12 AM
Once upoun a time I did Kustom painting, I mainly laid out flames and graphics and helped with prep work, I can weld, bondo, and paint. Kustom Kars is located in North Georgia (706-693-4024) and we chopped a 54 Chevy and grafted Cadillac read fenders/fins and added a 46 Buick trunk.
But, alas, times change, and with a wife and baby on the way, my career took a change and I got into computers. I am reduced to a "weekend warrior" of sorts. And without being in the groove of painting everyday, it's best sometimes to sub out work to people who do it constantly to ensure getting it right the first time. I really hate sanding down all the bars on a bike frame twice. As for purchasing Screamer parts, I equate it to purchasing the Cadillac motor and 53 'vette grill for the ride. Some things are better salvaged than fabricated. 'nuff said!
For a real Kustom Site, you (Jim) should entertain the thought or a "rat bike" or "primer section". People like seeing work in progress. And half of the "kulture" rolls on suede anyways. A big part of the movement is home-builders and they all don't get finished in 3 weeks.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Brandon on 12/14/2000 at 8:46:07 PM
Long and like, a Huffy slingshot, my "Kustom" will fall into the speed freak or drag race end of the kulture, they all were not slow sleds, as evident at Paso Rables and such. Stripped down "gow jobs" were the other cornerstone of the movement. I have a 24in. frame with a longer wheelbase, running 16X20 white-wall set up with a Radir-looking, magnesieum coaster mag and slick from a Screamer, and the bars (which I'm saving for) are shaped like a "butterfly yoke" used on Drag Cars. I am also using the 5 spoke 5 spd Sprocket sans chainguard. Paint will bejumbo-flake metallic blue with a flame/white/yellow/orange fade. I'm also hunting a tach looking speedo.If the magazine wishes to santion Drag racers, well then I might show you what you can do with a muscle bike. It also sits like a big 26in bike so it is very rideable. Ride On!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Larry on 12/15/2000 at 8:01:13 AM
Brandon, this is not a magazine". This is a web site. It sounds like you have something Jim can use. If you read the prior posts, you will read that he gave you some positive feedback on one of your ideas. Like I said before, he's a fair guy, and at this moment is building a dragster himself.You need to relax a little, and calm down some, and don't take things to heart. So scroll down some and look for the web site pertaining to "Biker Rod & Kustom". Editor Jim Wilson. Have a nice day!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by JimW. on 12/15/2000 at 9:22:11 AM
Hi guys! Lots of action while I've been away. Actually, there's no limit on gallery bikes per issue. We run 'em as
we get 'em. And while we'd prefer that they have snazzy paint, nobody's ever been rejected for primer. While I'm
not personally into the ratbike thing, that being more of a
CHVNK thing, I sure understand taking one's time on the paint job. If you've got a primed bike in the Gallery, you
can always update the photo later. We're easy.

I've been working on the design of the dragster. I just posted drawings at: http://bikerodnkustom2.homestead.com/dragster.html
A lot of the design is determined by using materials I already have on hand. As a freelancer, I find that when I have the time for working on a bike project, usually I don't have money coming in to pay for the parts and materials. It's a vicious circle. We do the best we can, to
suit the circumstances. Sure would be nice to be rich, though.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by Brandon on 12/15/2000 at 10:41:12 AM
Rat Bike meaning Flat black or seude paint, white tuck-n-roll seat, pie crust white wall slicks, molded tanks with flames or watson scallops. Perhaps a "chopped" sissybar to get the seat low. Moon disc style wheel covers. Beach cruiser or Sting ray. I agree, the CHVK bikes are not appealing to me either.
All in good fun!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   BikeRod&Kustom Gallery posted by JimW. on 12/15/2000 at 9:38:36 PM
Ohh, yeah... I was thinking of the motorcycle ratbikes. The
idea with those is to make them really ugly, I think. Your
description sounds nice. Nothin' wrong with primer. I'm pretty fond of Krylon Semi-flat black, it gives a really
interesting finish. It doesn't look like primer, it looks kind of like really ancient glossy black-like an old English
roadster that needs polishing.

AGE / VALUE:   Developing web site posted by: Brandon on 12/10/2000 at 8:55:05 PM
I am in the process of creating a web site illustrating the different types of "Musclebikes". (I also posted in the vintage discussion) I am trying to make a reference site for enthusiasts to see if there is anything that looks like that crazy bike they found in the garage and put a name to it. These are Choppers and Screamers and Sting Rays. I am paying particular attention to the "off brands". If you have any bikes like these, email me pics @:
And I will include them. Also, leave any info you may know about it; manufacture, date, options, etc.
What does this all have to do with lowriders and customs?
Well in light of the Bike Rod and Custom sanctioning, I am constructing a "Phantom" musclebike with some rare parts from this style of bikes. I will include a section of "Musclebike Kustoms" if anyone else has a "mutt" they want to show off. The musclebike has some very cool parts you could use in kustomization and lowriding. Chrome speedos, odd looking springer front ends, headlights, crazy handlebars, cool sprockets, to name a few.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Developing web site posted by JimW. on 12/11/2000 at 10:32:49 AM
That's a great idea for a site. I hope you get a lot of good material for it. The "musclebike era" is, without a doubt, one of the most interesting chapters in bike history, no matter what one thinks of the muscle bike form as a machine. All sorts of wild frame, component, and graphics designs came out in that period.

You're right on as to the possibilities for phantom resto of
that form. I find it interesting that the "psychedelic period" and the "musclebike period" were coincident, and that there was so little cross-pollination between the two,
aside from those "flower-power" stickers applied to the baskets of girl's bikes of the time.

I've always though it strange that no one approached psychedelic art popularizer Peter Max about bike decoration.
He left his mark on everything else at the time.(I used to have a set of mugs, plates, and cereal bowls based on his designs). So, why didn't he do a bike? As his approach to products was pretty superficial, just about any generic frame, seat and chainguard combo would work as a "Max Bike", with his graphic style applied. And it would be very
interesting to see, I'm sure.

Other artists of the time who could logically have taken on
commercial bike design jobs, are: Stanley Mouse, Rick Griffin, and Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. I'm astounded that there
was never an actual "Rat Fink Bike". They could have sold a
bazillion of them at the time.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Developing web site posted by JimW. on 12/11/2000 at 10:44:00 AM
I left out another primo phantom musclebike- "The Yellow
Submarine Bike", based upon the Peter Max/Milton Glaser-inspired animation art of the Beatles' classic cartoon film. Tons of other products, including Matchbox Miniatures, were tied to the film, why not bikes?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Developing web site posted by Larry on 12/12/2000 at 8:12:44 AM
Looking forward to this site. I like what i'm reading so far. I enjoy building frankinstien bikes aswell. There are others out there. It looks like BikerRod&Kustom has uncoverd something very positive out there with the Kustom Kulture. I see and read a little more on this type of building. Just like me, once apon a short time ago, I had no computer. Now I'm getting to meet others with the same itch. Not just your locals anymore. We all know there are so much more activity with this way of life out there. Just not everybody has access to a computer, or just really don't want to bother in general. So its up to people like us to do our part and spread the word that Kustom building is alive and well. It justs feels right.

   Peter Max/ Jim w posted by Jim on 12/29/2000 at 11:13:32 PM
I think schwinn did. I found a 20 inch (stingray?) girls bike that had a really loud daisy covered banana seat. Gave it to some lowrider kid and he later huffed it in the dumpster that I found it in.

   RE:Peter Max/ Jim w posted by JimW. on 1/11/2001 at 2:53:40 PM
Thanks for the input, Jim. Maybe psychedelia did work its way into bike design during that period. Does anyone else know of an example like this? The seat and chainguard would be pretty much the only places where the style could apply.
If anyone has photos of this sort of thing, we at http://bikerodnkustom.homestead.com would love to see them.
If there's anough material, we'll run an article. It's possible that a surfing-motif bike might have worked this sort of style element into it.

AGE / VALUE:   young people at there best" posted by: Larry on 12/9/2000 at 11:44:41 PM
Today in our home town, we had a early Christmas parade. People after the parade gatherd out and about the city hall grounds. Food stands, rides for young and old to enjoy. There was live music aswell. The crowd was sending out a festive attitude. In front of the City Hall on the rolling grass landscape were the display of the local LRB club. The bikes stood above, over looking the crowd as they listend to the band playing there favorits. I knew there was going to be a carnival in town, so I went down there on my Kustom Krusier. I was well greeted by these young people and there club. It so happend that some of these young people bought bicycles from me a few years back. All together 4 of the bikes that were there I had constructed. Naturally they took it apon them selfs to add some of there ideas to there bikes. So the bikes did take on a personal touch these young people visulize, I guess to remain competitive among them selfs. It was all good! What I enjoyed the most was watching these youg guys riding there bikes out and about the crowd. I thought for a moment the local police department would stop these guys from riding around, but they didn't. They can see the people were enjoying them selfs, and the guys had the the floor. One of the parents came up to me and told me that the guys wanted to ride there bikes in from there local neighborhood. He told me they use to do that, but some of the guys were loosing there wheels as they rode, and having problems with some of the bike parts comming loose. I told him he needs to get with other parents to guild these young guys to wrench and take care of any problems that may accour along the way to a event. Maybe to appoint a club member to carry tools and patches when confronted with road problems. Guys came up to me and surprized me that my sons bicycle came out in LRB magazine, in the snap shot section of the magazine. I remember some time back simiting a picture to the magazine. But I just totally forgot, and went on with my prodjects. My son was happy, and I guess thats what its all about. Giving our youth a vision to be heard and reconized. His bike is in the fall issue the one on sale now. Lil' Larry flamed-out bike from "Bone Yard" Cycles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   young people at there best posted by Sebastian on 12/10/2000 at 6:08:56 AM
yo Larry, your story sounds like a dream to me. I wish we had such kind of "gatherings" here to see what's going on in the custom & lowriding scene.

Expect the unexpected - slow and low.
Sebastian °LowStylezHH° http://www.lowriderbike.de

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   young people at there best posted by Brandon on 12/10/2000 at 8:52:51 PM
You can crash any "gathering" if you want to. These kid's parents are the true superstars by taking the bikes in their trucks and hanging out with them. I ride bikes all over the place, and aside from an occaisional annoyed lady in a drink line at a car show (bad etiquette to stay on your bike in a hot,crowed people line) have no problem what so ever. At public gatherings, everyone is there to have fun. They like seeing crazy bikes, and as long as your not drunk and trying to fight people, you will get asked a lot of questions. I've had parents with kids try to buy the bike right there on the spot. Bikes just used to be more common place in "outdoor" society before it wasn't "cool" to be outside.(video games) I say if you and your friends, or your children want to take the bikes to stuff, the only thing stopping you is yourself. Freedom of peaceable gathering. As long as your not a threat to society or vandalizing things, you have every right to be there with or without a bicycle, and a bicycle is a legal vehicle, entitled to it's own traffic space, unlike skateboards.
I have freestyled and jumped stuff at my police station and court house, and never been even spoken to. Not to be a "rebel" or a "pointmaker", but just because I came across them while riding. My friends, however, were arrested for skateboarding in a parking lot.
Organization also will help you actually get more than two or three people out of the house. Parents could help set up and encourage clubs. Goal setting and achieving is one of life's greatest lessons you can teach a kid.
On a technical note, lock washers and nuts are worth their weight in gold.

LOWRIDERS:   just 2 let you stylefreakz know posted by: Sebastian on 12/8/2000 at 6:08:06 AM
... BIG update @ http://michaels.lowriderbike.de - this guy has 2 bikes online. Sorry LarryL. - these are showbikes ;) ... he just rides them once in a while.
... small picture-update @ http://jans.lowriderbike.de - nice new Pic of Jan and his Baby.

It's all about the style - Slow 'n Low.

Sebastian °LowStylezHH° http://www.lowriderbike.de

   RE:LOWRIDERS:   just 2 let you stylefreakz know posted by Larry on 12/8/2000 at 1:24:42 PM
Sabastian, hows it going? Thats good. Good to hear your back.

WANTED:   need a banana seat or equivalent posted by: jesse on 12/6/2000 at 8:24:34 AM
hey. trying to customize my kastan 24" cruiser with a banana seat so i can get my long legs away from the pedals. was thinking about using a fork-set to supply the rear support for the seat. any ideas....suggestions?

   RE:WANTED:   need a banana seat or equivalent posted by Larry L. on 12/6/2000 at 2:54:46 PM
I know exactly what your problem is. First of all the 24" frame. Its got to go! You need a 26" frame to allow for your legg length. I know your trying to add some kustom look to your bike. Something you can kick back and ride on ,without that interference with your leggs comming up on you and making your ride uncomfortable. Your riding without extending your leggs, not good. You may have your heart set on this here frame, but you need to get your leggs out from under you and away from you out in front. I kid you not", you will be more happy when you can ride with comfort, rather than hard work. If you have any questions on this e-mail me, I will show you my daily rider.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   need a banana seat or equivalent posted by JimW. on 12/7/2000 at 3:12:53 PM
I'm not sure about that, Larry. What about the Schwinn Manta Ray? I think it was designed around big kid's
bodies. Ain't we all big kids around here? If you used a banana saddle, like they did, wouldn't that let you sit farther back, especially with a sissy bar, getting your knees out of your face? Of course, sitting way back leads
to wheelies, but we all like those, don't we?

I hope this is all true, because I have two 24" balloon-tire
bikes in progress, sort of. I plan to ride them. Of course, I'm only 68" tall, in the morning.

The Schwinn List, if it doesn't crash your browser, can be
a certainty for finding Schwinn Manta Ray parts, including seats and sissy bars. If the previous is unclear, the M.R. is a 24" muscle bike, like the Krates, etc. It has all the
muscle bike components, except in larger scale-just what you're looking for.

I like the 24" size because it's scaled more like a motorcycle. In the next BR&K, there'll be an article on
"bikes which call themselves cruisers", one of which is like
a BMX trick bike, except based on 24" wheel size.

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   need a banana seat or equivalent posted by Larry on 12/8/2000 at 1:11:35 PM
Hi Jim. I never owned a Manta Ray. But the infomation I gave him was due to his complaint to his legg length. He did ask for any replys due to his prodject. So I gave him my personal experince towards this problem. Just like you, and others we all need comfort when it comes to older riders. I am sure the banana seat will sit him right on top of his rear wheel. He did say his long leggs", and I took that into concideration. I did own a 24" Typhoon Schwinn once, and rememeberd the sloching over was not to good for the back. I will say this, I did not have a banana seat on that bike. It was a original seat. You would have to use ape hangers to keep your arms away from your leggs. I don't know how long his leggs are, but if Jesse can reply after he gets it together, I would like to here from him in the near future. If the only problem he faces is a seat, you can find after market seats from any of these lowrider sites.

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   need a banana seat or equivalent posted by Brandon on 12/10/2000 at 9:25:33 PM
Jim, did they make 24" musclebikes? I have a frame, but it is in the shape of a "Sears Screamer". All I have is the bare frame, when I put a 20" back rim on it, there is a sizeable gap between the tire and the fender brace. I put a Screamer springer front end on it, and it has tabs for a sissy bar. It sits like a motorcycle, and the wheelbase is longer than my other banana bike. I'm 5'9" and it fits like a glove. Do you know anything or a name of a bike that would resemble a screamer and be 24"? I could e-mail you a picture of my set-up if you want.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   need a banana seat or equivalent posted by JimW. on 12/11/2000 at 11:10:33 AM
I'm not really the expert on this subject, as during that
period I was mostly involved with Italian sportscars. The only 24" musclebike I'm sure about is the Manta Ray.

However, I'd be extremely surprised if that was the only one. A height of 5'9" is very typical of teen-agers, then and now. A 20" frame is really too small for that size rider, no matter what sort of seating scheme it uses. As 24"
was still a popular size in the '60s, it's a logical assumption that other manufacturers applied muscle-bike styling to that size frame. It was BMX style that killed 24", not muscle-bike style. Ironically, there's a new BMX- style bike out now (from Brooklyn Machine Works)which is
based upon the 24" wheel size.

WANTED:   144 spoke 26 inch radial posted by: Sebastian on 12/5/2000 at 5:36:09 AM
Does ne1 know where to get 144spoke radial laced 26-inch wheels!?
Greets 2 Larry L.

outta here.
Sebastian °LowStylezHH° http://www.lowriderbike.de

   RE:WANTED:   144 spoke 26 inch radial posted by JimW. on 12/5/2000 at 8:34:50 AM
I thought just about everybody carried those?
I would definitely check out lovelylowrider's parts list,
and hiwheel.com probably has them, as well. For sure they're
out there.

   RE:WANTED:   144 spoke 26 inch radial posted by Bruno on 12/5/2000 at 8:40:13 AM
Sabastian, The wheels you are looking for, are found at www.slamnride.com. These guy's can help you. They will even build you what you want. They are located in Pico Rivera California. The creator of the lowrider wheels. His name is Warren Wong.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   144 spoke 26 inch radial posted by Sebastian on 12/6/2000 at 2:18:25 AM
*whoooha* - the almighty Warren Wong! :) ... Thanks to all of you for the advice. I'll check those links. Lovelylowrider doesn't have 144spoke 26inch. They just go up to 72.

Sebastian °LowStylezHH° http://www.lowriderbike.de

   RE:RE:WANTED:   144 spoke 26 inch radial posted by Sebastian on 12/11/2000 at 2:15:20 AM
www.slamnride.com doesn't work :(((

Sebastian °LowStylezHH° http://www.lowriderbike.de

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   144 spoke 26 inch radial posted by Larry on 12/11/2000 at 6:11:14 PM
Sabastian, I just read your post. Heres the phone# to Slam N Ride, (562) 801-9339 Pico Rivera California, 90660. I got this out of the LRB magazine.

CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by: JimW. on 12/1/2000 at 3:07:16 PM
A proposal for the formation of a sanctioning organization to do with KustomBike shows and associated Bike Drag Racing events may be seen at- http://bikerodnkustom2.homestead.com/IBRKA.html
Your input to the project is sought.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by ebrandon on 12/3/2000 at 8:30:51 PM
The idea is pretty interesting, but I don't know if hardcore show bikes will make the parade. I think there are considerable differences between a KUSTOM and a LOWRIDER, and you might contemplate an appropriate class. A large portion of non-restorers are lowriders. You might want to pull them in for possible cross-pollination as well as ideas and resources. Personally I am interested in the phantom class, because this has many different options and possibilities. Maybe with popularity you might branch into full size, muscle bike, bmx etc... There are a lot of parts available on Ebay and at older bike shops that are very affordable and unique enough to make for very interesting creations. Let me know if this gets off the ground!

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by JimW. on 12/4/2000 at 10:27:36 AM
You're right, there are considerable differences between Kustoms and Lowriders. The biggest difference is probably that a kustom bike has to be able to function in a bike
parade. As do drag-racing bikes. I love lowrider bikes
and cars, and the people who build them; but we're not really thinking of lowrider show bikes for this sort of event. By the same token, existing racing bikes would be unsuited for use in a drag-racing event, though they could probably handle parade duty.

One of the goals behind the establishment of these events is
that they are reasonably-cheap construction projects. Kids and adults alike have a lot of expensive needs, I've noticed recently. (I've been doing the holiday shopping for our 16-year-old.) Adding in a money-intensive hobby wouldn't work for most kids. But, a cheap way of being creative while ending up with a kool-looking functional machine you can actually use for transportation makes excellent sense. The gratification of winning awards is icing on the cake. Building a drag bike isn't quite so universal an urge, but building and racing one would certainly be a lot of cheap fun. After all, how much money could you possibly spend on lowering your sprint time on a steel 20"BMX-style or 26" 10-speed frame? After $25 or so, practice and conditioning would make the biggest difference. There are extra points for design, but just about anybody is capable of using a spray can to get a nice paint job.

I agree with you on Phantom Restoration. it's also my favorite class. Most of Fred Hajny's kustoms could fall
into this category. They're very beautiful and impressive,
but he didn't really spend much money on them, just cleverness. Unless you start loading a frame up with state-of-the-art hubs and hardware, Phantom Resto is a very cheap
way of ending up with a very kool bike. In the next issue of BikeRod&Kustom, there will be an image of a bike which
would fit into this category, in an extreme sense. It literally came to me in a dream. The next day I used Photoshop to make an image of it. It's extremely kool.

Thanks very much for your input. If there is enough interest and input, perhaps Vin could be persuaded to set up a list just for IRBKA topics.

I took inventory last night, and I seem to have most of the
stuff on hand to build a machine capable of running in the
Recumbent Dragster or Unlimited Recumbent Dragster classes. Anybody in the New York City area interested in taking on Team BikeRod&Kustom next summer? Two age categories: teen-ager, and over-the-hill-decrepit adult. Style only counts for the bikes. Extra points for cheapness? Come to think of
it, I've actually got the makings for a couple of the other- class drag machines, too.

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by Brandon on 12/4/2000 at 9:01:21 PM
Can I do exibition Wheel-stands? I can ride a wheelie for a pretty long distance. You should have a "muscle bike" "pro-stock" Drag class so we can see some Screamers and Murray Dragsters kick some schwinn butt!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by JimW. on 12/5/2000 at 8:30:36 AM
"Muscle-Bike Pro-Stock" is a brilliant idea! I might have
never thought of that one. Thanks very much. Wheelie exhibitions is another great idea. There should be a trophy for that one, also. Back around '66, I built a "muscle-bike"
style kustom Puch Moped. With its hot-rodded 50cc engine, banana saddle, and apehanger bars, I could do wheelies for
miles. Except I usually ended up under the bike.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by JimW. on 12/5/2000 at 9:46:29 AM
Fredrick Trippler sent me this URL recently. It shows and
example of "prone-biking" I don't know what benefit its additional streamlining would have on drag racing, but it's
really kool looking.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by Larry on 12/6/2000 at 7:15:29 AM
Brandon, I tried popping a wheelie on my ol' fastback of mine. Trying to do what I once knew how to do. My son told me" dad what are you trying do? kill your self". Almost 100lbs later and reflexes a tad short on quikness, I will leave that sort of thing for the younger guy's. I will admit, it sure was fun trying. Hey" Sabastian.

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   Kustom Shows and BikeRod Racing posted by Larry on 12/10/2000 at 2:52:51 PM
Your so right Jim. While I was there with these young people talking to them, getting there feedback on what they do for fun, and what they expect from them selfs and there bikes. I would say it is fair to say that there bikes mean something as a image or statement. There competivness is in the amount of style and beauty they can achive from there efforts. Rather than appling it to a physical competivness. But I will say this, I did witness a couple of the guys with some high energy. But it was more in the hopping events. How high they can hop the bike off the ground. There was a few riding there bikes around and about. I guess it lies in there first exposer of what the bike is for at a young age. I can see we had very different ideas, and opionions when it came to Lowrider style vs Kustom Kulture. So I know right off hand what you are talking about. One of the guys who had bought a bike from me said", he hadn't rode his bike for almost a year. Brought it over on a truck for the event. I know they are deeply rooted on there believes. So all I wanted to do was send a message to them in the earlier post by saying its alright to get out and about with others who share there veiws and go out and ride with one another. You can really have a good time doing that to. I'm just from a different time, I suppose. One other thing, I know I was not alone with my thoughts on this here issue, I just made myself heard. Thats all, nothing more".

WANTED:   72 spoke wheels posted by: Zack on 11/30/2000 at 12:12:29 PM
Does anyone know where I can get 26x2.125 72 spoke wheels? Lovelylowrider and Aztlanbicycles only seems to have the 26x1.75 wheels.

   RE:WANTED:   72 spoke wheels posted by JimW. on 11/30/2000 at 3:19:22 PM
I really doubt that you'll find that combination elsewhere.
Although you might check with http://hiwheel.com before giving
up on it. I'd recommend that you try the fatter tire on the middleweight
rim. I think it would probably work. If anyone is killed doing
this experiment, may I express my condolences to their survivors
in advance?

CUSTOMS:   forks posted by: Zack on 11/22/2000 at 12:29:38 AM
Hey guys, I'm putting together a custom chopper from a 26" Schwinn middleweight frame. I need some long forks to really get my front wheel extended. Does anyone know anybody who sells long chopper forks? I am also considering experimenting with motorcycle forks and possible even a motorcycle triple tree clamp. Has anyone else ever experimented with this? Please let me know. Thanks.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   forks posted by Buggs on 11/22/2000 at 6:34:30 AM
Have you tried looking at the local bone yard? Where I live you have motorcycles, parts & mopeds. Try checking out a moped front end. Check out the lower & top trees. If your not familar these terms, they are the brackets if you will, that hold the fork tubes. Measure the neck on your frame. Then the inside diamiter of your frame neck, and do the same to the moped. Check out the length of the fork stem.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   forks posted by JimW. on 12/1/2000 at 7:44:27 AM
Check out the parts dept. at http://phatcycles.com
They have a really good-looking extended triple-tree fork.
It would be a lot easier than adapting something else.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   forks posted by Brandon on 12/8/2000 at 9:50:44 AM
I have a mono-tube fork (as per c.h.u.n.k. 666 catagories)about 4-4 1/2 feet long. It is the long head tube style, and the actual forks take a 20in. wheel. It is super-duty strong. I really like the triple-tree looks though.
E-mail me if interested.

CUSTOMS:   forks posted by: Zack on 11/22/2000 at 12:29:38 AM
Hey guys, I'm putting together a custom shopper from a 26" Schwinn middleweight frame. I need some long forks to really get my front wheel extended. Does anyone know anybody who sells long chopper forks? I am also considering experimenting with motorcycle forks and possible even a motorcycle triple tree clamp. Has anyone else ever experimented with this? Please let me know. Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by: basic on 11/19/2000 at 11:48:22 AM
I live in Gainesville Ga. Due to our local economy, we have a large population of hispanic people. They come from mostly Mexico, Texas, and California. They are adding to the local culture by bring theirs with them. I did custom paint and body work for a while and I also build bikes. I have built several lowriders and they were ridden. We ride at car shows, and other events. I see a lot of lowriders used for transportation by kids in my town. Small cranks going round and round across a parking lot is an awesome sight to behold, and the spare wheel is a nice touch. I passed a dude a couople of months back, pedaling down the street on a nice three wheeler with a trailer and a car stereo system. Smiling from ear to ear. I don't imagine we have as high a crime rate as LA, but we do have one. My buddies' bikes were stolen off thier front porch in broad daylight. Later, we found the kids riding them, but they had parted out most of the parts, and we recovered little of value. The point is, you spend a lot of effort and cash building an extension of your personality, and someone else's little monsters without respect try to relieve you of them. It's a tough decision for a kid to have the baddest bike, but not ever ride it around. But if you want to keep it, unfortunately, you might have to make choices. I ride my bikes at car shows, and am always keeping one eye on it while in line for food, shirts, etc.
Owning a lowrider goes beyond the functionality of the bicycle, and becomes a part of a larger entity, about passion, dedication, and respect. If you have ever seen a lowrider project all the way through, you would never want to steal someone else's. You just understand, and those who don't, don't.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by Ricky on 11/19/2000 at 4:38:51 PM
I canot take my eyes off my lorider ever. I haveto keep mine locked up all thetime.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by Paul on 11/19/2000 at 11:21:31 PM
Whats up, I was wondering why you guys don't take atvantage of the after market products they offer to the lowrider guys. I like to build original sting rays. The frames and the bikes are getting more hard to find. Your bikes are cool. But if you are going to put the bondo on the frames, put it on the after market stuff first. These are tiawan frames. They are not real Schwinn frames. So please use the after markets they have first. Please concider it. A collector. Thanks guys. Paul Phonix Arizona.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by JimW. on 11/20/2000 at 9:21:07 AM
I'm not going to weigh in on riding one's masterpiece. My Schwinn
Continental cost me $40 and I'm paranoid about it. If I'd sunk
3 grand into it, I'd think several times before taking it outside.
However,I'll gladly get into the issue of "desecrating the classics".

Millions of Stingrays were built. They were ridden hard, and
most of them ended up trashed. That's why mint specimens are
worth big bucks. The ones that were trashed are improved by being
being made into lowriders. Why should a kid be expected to spend
$40-50 for an inferior knockoff frame, when he can pull a sturdy
Schwinn frame from a dumpster for nothing?

My Schwinn desecration experience goes way back. In the mid-'60s, I took my
younger brother's outgrown 20" Schwinn kiddybike, and desecrated
it into a musclebike. Schwinn started doing the same thing back
then, so what? If these Schwinn preservationists had access to time
machines, they'd go back in time and try to stop kids from actually
riding their Stingrays. And they would be laughed at for their
presumption. This is a planet, not a museum. Just be happy
that there were some anal-retentive little dorks back then who
kept their prized bikes indoors without riding them.

The same people who want us to treat Stingrays as holy artifacts
are the same ones who will tell you that my Continental is worth
ten bucks, because they're common. Varsitys and Continentals
were made in the same quantities as Stingrays, however, they were
used by more mature owners, who didn't abuse them. Consequently,
there are lots of clean ($10)ones around.

We at BikeRod&Kustom are presently formulating classes for
drag-racing bicycles. One category of racers will be based
upon steel 10-speed frames. If it catches on, the Varsities
and Continentals which survive intact will be worth as much
in the future as Stingrays are now. "Bicycle Investors" and
kneejerk preservationists would be wise to start stocking up
while they have the chance. Just don't expect the rest of us
to preserve them for you.

Getting back to the riding issue-if I had a Stingray nowadays,
I probably wouldn't ride it, either. Not because of its sacredness,
but because an adult on a Stingray looks like a retard at best,
and a clown at worst. Or is it the other way around?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by basic on 11/20/2000 at 9:32:20 AM
The schwinn's cantilever lines are of the cleanest design, and the pride of building a lo-lo starts with the foundation of a respectable frame, you wouldn't sink 3k into a no-name frame, you just don't make a concours show car out of a Yugo. I understand the collector's side of it also, I have restored bikes in the past. It's just how it goes down. I think collector's should realize the value and beauty of some of the other "off-brands" also, There are other bike to restore besides schwinns that have way more character. Give me a Screamer and I'd be happy!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by timothy on 11/25/2000 at 9:35:31 AM
hi im 10.i luv old bikes.i have alot of old cool bikes.i make my own lowriders and choppers but i dont ride them cause im affrade that someone would steal it.tim

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   riding lowriders posted by Larry on 12/10/2000 at 3:32:05 PM
Hey Jim, I know you wrote this post a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes, and I am speaking for myself, I need to go back and read the older posts over again, to get a full impact what the writer is saying. On certian issues when it comes to what the the bikes are meant to do in our daily lives. We are and others are from a era of adventure and conquering our dreams threw the activities threw riding a bicycle. I'm not saying young people today don't go out and have fun riding there bikes. I'm just saying, we had a time when our bicycles were being influenced by the Kustom Kulture era. It was alot of fun, and still is. I belive this era is the foundation of todays muscle bike collectors, and the lowrider bicycle circuit. From the old hot rods and the old dragsters and not to mention, the muscle cars and the chopped down harleys of the 50's 60's & the early 70's. We were rich in change. So when you have a guy who is trying to restore a old muscle bike or a old balloon bike, he is either letting you know he never had it, or if he has it now, he's not going to let it go now that he has it. I believe I just let the cat out of the bagg!