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AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by: AviationMetalSmith on 6/29/2004 at 4:53:27 PM
I ALMOST bought a Schwinn Stingray yesterday. I saw it in the bike shop in Oyster Bay, Long Island.
When I returned to the same bicycle shop with the money, it was gone. Sold just minutes before I came back.
Hot Item- Schwinn Stingray, metallic green, chopper fork, MOTORCYCLE seat- not your old banana seat W I D E WIDE rear tire,
all for $249.00-----SOLD!!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by ziggy on 6/29/2004 at 5:06:36 PM
No comment. >: /

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/30/2004 at 9:10:58 AM
I'm impressed Ziggy. Excersizing restraint aint easy, is it! ;-) BTW: Walmart purportedly lists them things on their website for $185 or so.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by ziggy on 6/30/2004 at 6:24:12 PM
Believe me larry, I was about to type up another speach of mine that puts down theose bikes. But Aviation metal smith has helped me out with good tips, so I kept my cool. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/2/2004 at 1:53:33 AM
Good man! Actually, for the most part, I've found all the discussion boards here at oldroads to be very amiable.

Yes, there are some spirited discussions and that is to be expected. Especially when opinions differ... but I have yet to see any personal attacks. Or threats for that matter.

You would not believe some of the insanity that goes on in some of the motorcycle message boards I've been known to frequent.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by AviationMetalSmith on 7/2/2004 at 6:11:02 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Does anyone know the exact width of that rear tire on the Stingray? It looks as wide as the tire on a 650cc motorcycle.
Jim Donohue
aka "AviationMetalSmith"

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/2/2004 at 10:58:53 PM
I believe it's either 4" or 4 1/2". Yes... as wide as a motorcycle tyre for sure. Though I very seriously doubt it's rated for "highway speed" ;-) Ifya want all the "straight dope" on it you can check the website:



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by larry on 7/31/2004 at 6:07:29 PM
dumb ass

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Stringray posted by: AviationMetalSmith on 6/29/2004 at 4:53:27 PM
I ALMOST bought a Schwinn Stingray yesterday. I saw it in the bike shop in Oyster Bay, Long Island.
When I returned to the same bicycle shop with the money, it was gone. Sold just minutes before I came back.
Hot Item- Schwinn Stingray, metallic green, chopper fork, MOTORCYCLE seat- not your old banana seat W I D E WIDE rear tire,
all for $249.00-----SOLD!!!

AGE / VALUE:   New site $ Kustom builders posted by: Iain,qwerty5oo on 6/26/2004 at 9:00:14 PM
Hi Chopperist`s, Cruisers, Lowriders.
I`m putting together a group site for people who are into Choppers (any make) Cruisers or Lowriders. Who enjoy restoring/ building from scratch or customising these bikes. Its easy to upload pictures of your bikes, so please join and post your pictures and messages now at-
with thanks Iain,qwerty5oo

Ps thanks for the replies on fan spoking a 36 hole hub.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New site $ Kustom builders posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/29/2004 at 4:51:34 PM
I joined. I even posted a picture of a bike. Something went wrong with the thumbnail image. I hope you can see the picture if you "click".

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New site $ Kustom builders posted by ziggy on 6/29/2004 at 5:08:06 PM
I checked out the site yesterday. The "customs" section needs more pictures. And the "chopper" section shouldn't all be Raleigh choppers. >: /

CUSTOMS:    posted by: ziggy on 6/26/2004 at 5:45:24 PM
I have a cool idea. I wan't to put a motor on my chopper Lucifer. After I have rode it around by pedal power for a while. I was thinking of dropping in a big go-cart engine in it. Has anyone tried this? Is it posible to work a motorcycle tranny with a go-cart motor? I was also thinking of putting a motorcycle engine in it as well instead of the go-cart motor. My friend has a junkyard and there are 8 or 9 suzuki engines laying around. They all appear to be in good shape, but looks can be deceiving. If I chose the motorcycle engine, then I would need a matching primary and a matching tranny! I am confused. My other friend said that I could use a motorcycle engine without a tranny or primary. He said " just put a clutch on it." This may work for a normal go-cart or minibike. As you roll on the throttle the clutch will hold more as you rev the motor higher, but we're talking about a motorcycle engine here. The increased power of a motorcycle engine may be too much for a small clutch like that. I don't know if this will work. Does anyone have any suggestions? I really need help with this. It would also be cool to have a motor on it, then I could go for a ride. >: )

   RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Stacey on 6/27/2004 at 11:12:31 AM
Most, if not all, Japanese two-stroke motors have integral transmissions. Meaning that the tranny is part of the motor case. You'd probably be best off using a 50 - 80 cc motor from a motocross bike. Then you'd have a peppy, powerful, self contained power unit that would open up the wonderful world of two-stroke tuning for you. :-)

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 6/27/2004 at 7:35:59 PM
That's awesome! I didn't know that the tranny was part of the motor! I hope you realize that I am talking about the suzuki motors where the heads are side by side. If this is true, then how does a gear shifter attach to the tranny on these motors? I wan't to use a suicide shift and a foot clutch. Would this setup work with these motors? The engines used to be mounted on a street motorcycle however. I really appreciate you replying stacy. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/28/2004 at 9:40:29 AM
Heads? Side by side? i.e. a paralell twin methinks. Not sure but that would allude to an engine somewhat larger than 80cc's. The smallest paralell twin that comes to mind would be the mid-70's Honda 175cc four-stroke.

As to mounting it in Lucifer... hmmm... I would think perhaps initial "design intent" would make that a bit tricky. As stated, Japanes bikes almost all have integral transmission / engine combinations. How much re-fabrication that would take to mount it, I'm not sure. It could be quite considerable.

If you have access to lots of engines and such, perhaps it would be better to build one up from scratch. A whole bunch of different dynamics associated with what you're pondering. For one thing... I'm not sure bicycle rims and tyres are quite up to the task of functioning as motorcycle rims and tyres... not to mention brakes... there is a LOT to consider. Not to mention the "legal" aspects ... as your end product WILL be a MOTORCYCLE.

Not to discourage you at all man! Sounds like yer on to something. Just wanted to bring up a couple of the more salient points that came to my mind initially.

IF it were my choice to scratch build a mini-chopper motorcycle, the engine I would seek would be from a Yamaha Route 66 or 250cc Virago. Probably one of the coolest smaller engines as it IS a V-twin.

Either way, have fun!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 6/28/2004 at 6:16:25 PM
Well I did have an idea in the back of my head to mount a motor on Lucifer when I was drawing up ideas for the bike. The single downtube would make it difficult to mount a balanced motor. And the back wheel is only 2.125 '' wide. I think I will make another chopper designed for a motor. I would make the back of the frame wider foe a better tire, and I guess I would have to buy a motorcycle frontend. Now the easiest thing to do would be to save money then spend 500$ on a calicruzer motor, but I am short on cash. Those motors don't look that good anyway. I think I will just drop in a minibike motor or a go-cart motor in it. They're small, but they can go pretty fast. And They wouldn't be too much of a hassle to mount. I thank you all for your suggestions. >: )

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by sam on 6/29/2004 at 3:13:40 AM
Lots of ways to add a motor but none cheap.Even go cart motors pose problems as they ar wide motors.Several beands built just for bikes--some very good($$$) and some very Cheap(do work much of the time)Cycle motors are very powerful and bicycle wheels&frames are not ment for the loads ans stress.One of the cheapest and best motors are the old Sears bike bug,but you first gotta find one then re-build it.Motor bicycling is a hard path---sam

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by ziggy on 6/29/2004 at 5:11:28 PM
I don't think that most go-cart engines are that wide, only because I have seen ones that are about a foot and a half wide. Do you know of any sites or stores that sell the very good/cheap motors you're talking about? They sound like a good deal. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by JimW. on 6/29/2004 at 5:28:41 PM
Based upon my experience with planning a 250CC installation into a bike frame, it'll be tough for you to do it, after the fact. The only location I could find where the gearcase would fit had the cylinder jug right behind the head tube. I'll still be doing it that way, but I'm starting with a scratch built frame, designed around that setup.

The simplest way to find dedicated bike engines is to search ebay. Dave Staton, who's an EBayer, is probably one of the best sources. I forget what his ebay name is; something like motorizedfun.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by edgarecks on 6/30/2004 at 4:50:36 PM
These guys sell kits and bikes that use go-cart or mini-bike engines http://www.mbikey.com/motorbike_parts.htm

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by ziggy on 6/30/2004 at 6:34:53 PM
Cool, but those motors are WAY to expensive. And their top speed is only 29 mph. I think all of those parts are a rip-off, just because of their prices. My dad told me a story where he put a horizontal shaft lawnmower engine on a bike once. He said he got it up to 40mph! But he changed the final drive ratio by using a second bike rim welded onto another rim with a tire mounted on it. The second rim served as a pulley for a belt and it went pretty fast. However no brakes, and no throttle. He had to move open the throttle manually by reaching down while riding. A friend of his crashed the bike into a fence next to a church due to the lack of brakes. I thought the story was hilarious. I just figured you guys would enjoy it. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Stacey on 7/1/2004 at 9:07:05 PM
ONLY 29 MPH!?!?!? On a bicycle that's flying! Any faster and the chances of you picking your azz out of a fence rise exponentaly.

Best thing you could do is to lower your expectations a bit there ziggy dude and find a weed wacker or leaf blower at a yard sale for 10 or 15 bucks. Then fabricate yourself a fricton drive on the rear wheel with a dead man lever to engage the drive. Pull the lever in... drive engages. Release the lever drive disengages.

Low key and sedate keeps the cops off your back. You don't want to loose your drivers license before you get it do you?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/2/2004 at 2:02:06 AM
To Stacey's point, 29mph IS rolling. Most fatal motorcycle accidents occur at speeds of 35mph. A colleague of mine, while blasting downhill on his road bicycle at 30mph was unseated when a DOG jumped him. 8 broken ribs, a cracked vertebrae and extensive internal injuries... not to mention being knocked clean unconscious (yes he was wearing a helmet).. 10 days in the hospital and while his recovery is progressing nicely, he is one hurtin' dude.

I have no clue what happened to the dog. Neither does he.

Yeah... 29mph is moving along. I'm surprised the feller that crashed your dad's vehicle into the fence was not seriously injured. Then again... fences, depending on their construction, may "give" a little.

Either way, if you choose to undertake this particular project, best of luck. Perhaps we will soon see Ziggy and his dad building radical choppers on TV!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 7/2/2004 at 1:50:23 PM
Well, I guess I could use a weed wacker motor, but remember I weigh about 220. I think I would need a motor that is about 4 hp. I could steal the centrifigul clutch off of a mini bike, hell I can steal the motor while I'm at it. I would use the large pulley at the rear so I can get some good speed. I DO wan't to ride this amongst cars, but I'm sure with my luck a cop will catch me. Any more ideas for good measure? Thanks. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Stacey on 7/2/2004 at 5:07:18 PM
A diet? 8-)

Seriously, using a 4 HP Briggs motor is going to at least triple the dead weight of the bicycle. If I remember correctly the first H-D motorcycle had a .5 - .75 HP motor. It's all in the gearing.

Wrong, a large pully will increase torque, small pulley increases speed.

Why is tne name of all sanity would you want run among the cars... It's bad enough that you want to figuratively strap a rocket motor on a hang glider (an ill handling one at that... it's a chopper, right?) But you want to fly it at LaGuardia Airport no less?!?!?! Sheesh... that will surely win a Darwin Award. Clean-up on runway 270!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 7/3/2004 at 4:42:10 PM
First of all, I'm not fat. At least not anymore. Those early days of my childhood sucked. Now it's WAY better. So I would use the pulley already mounted on the engine, and another small pulley? Would I use a final drive pulley that is smaller than the first pulley? I wouldn't ride IN the road. I would ride in the shoulder. Like the law sais. I just wan't to see the look on the face of some driver as I ride past him/her. I also wan't to piss off some a**hole kids on the adjacent block. I built this bike with the pure intention of scaring people. Once my piece is done, you will see what I mean. ( p.s, I want everyone to know that my replies to someone named chopperzzzz were written to get him/her off of my back. I am not a satanist. The replies mentioned are in the stingray discussion section of this site.) Just thought you should know. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Stacey on 7/4/2004 at 11:33:52 AM
You would use a small pulley in the front and a large pulley in the rear. Look at some pictures of the old belt drive Harleys, Hendersons, Excelciors, etc. for an indication of how big that rear pulley should be.

The only person you are going to scare with a set-up like that is yourself. Imagine this scenario: You tooling down the shoulder of the road at 40mph. Traffic is moving at 25-30 mph. Speed differental in your favor of 10-15 mph. Out of nowhere lies this big azzed pot hole, you have no way to avoid it or slow down to reduce the impact trauma. The already over-stressed front wheel hits the far edge of the pot hole and colapses... ever try to roll a "D" shaped object? It dosen't happen! You become airborn, maybe your nutsack clears the steering stem, maybe not. Regardless, you fly a minimun of 30 feet through the air landing on your head with an additional 200 pounds of mass in close pursuit... if you're lucky your skull and cervical vertabre stay intact and you just knock yourself out. When you come to your skivies are full of steamers from crapping your pants as you flew past that Acura hoping to God that he sees you and dosen't run over you. Yeah, you sure scared that dude in the Acura... for a second or two. But, you'll be the one with a concussion and poo in your pants.

You really want to scare somebody? Rig up a 50 caliber machine gun to your handle bars. Of course you get a 20 year vacation at the Graybar Hotel courtesy of the United States government. But they'll be the ones with steamers in their skivies.

I belive what's needed here is a helping of maturity, followed by a healthy dose of reality. I'll makes for a longer, freer life. Think sensible.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/4/2004 at 11:36:38 AM
Just a heads up Ziggy... pretty much all weed whacker motors are TWO cycle... and tend to have a much higher output than a 4 cycle of the same displacement. So, a lot of bang for less weight, etc.

As to gearing, etc. Unless you want to go through scads of calculations, etc., best thing to do is be prepared to experiment a bit.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 7/4/2004 at 4:40:03 PM
Well stacey, I guess I'm just that stupid to try something like this. What's life without fear or danger? Boring. And Larry, are you sure a weed wacker motor is enough to power a bike? It seems like I would have to "wake up" the motor a bit with a better air filter and an open exhaust. That would probably squeeze some more ooomph out of it eh? Anything else? I already have great plans. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Rif on 7/4/2004 at 6:35:40 PM
I ride amongst cars... Just obey the rules of the road, watch all directions around you at once and assume that cars won't see you. Be prepare for anything.
As far as speed, well sure 29 M.P.H. is moving at a pret5y good clip, but my whizzer topped out (on the flat no headwind) at 40.3 while riding across the country. Generally I was at a cruising speed between 30 and 35 M.P.H.
Coming out of the mountains into Wyoming I had it at W.O.T. and the support truck clocked me at 50 M.P.H.
That was a little much, I was getting a lot of front wheel hop and it startet to "float" over the imperfect road surface, but what a F-ing rush man!!!
I've been hanging out (via e-mail) with fellas that build moto bikes that dyno at 70 - 90 M.P.H.!
I don't kbnow what real riding speed would be (rolling resistance, headwind, rider weight, etc.) but it would still be fast as hell. I'd try it; but then again I do have a very nihilistiic and self destructive streak. It's called killing yerself to live!
there are a variety of engine kits available out there for bicycles everything from mild to wild. I do believe your best bet would be to purchase a (mild) kit for your first moto-bike. Sam is absolutely correct that the Tanaka (sears free spirit, bike-bug) front mount kit is absolutely the most reliable and a real kick. These are still readilly available and will run forever with proper care and maintenance.
A very solid choice for your first kit, although the Staton, Inc. kits are rock solid as well and a good choice as they can be had in many different gearing aspects, and they offer friction drive, belt drive or chain drive.
Just my 2 cents...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/5/2004 at 2:07:05 PM
A nihilist!!!!! Would you be a "Big Lebowski" fan as well? If not... you should be ;-)

As to the issue of weed wacker motors, etc. I would defer to Rif on this one. Sounds like someone who's been there and done that.

As to what 2-cycles can do, well... There's this young feller I've been observing this weekend in the neighborhood. He has what appears to be a Motorized "Razor" type "scooter". It is powered by a 2-cycle engine. I've estimated his speed to be 25mph... possibly more. I've also observe, much to my chagrin, he's not very safety minded. If I were to be riding at that speed sustained, I would have on a helmet and leathers. Yes, leathers. Why? It was once described to my by someone who went through it, how the ER treats "Road Rash". A scrubbing brush with a mixture of phisohex and benzocaine. NOT my idea of fun! I sure hope that kid, or anyone else for that matter, does not have to go through that!

Also, Rif alludes to the #1 rule regarding motorcycling: "You ARE INVISIBLE". Keep that in mind when you're out in traffic. It quite literally could save your life.

Ziggy, I still think that your best bet would be to build another. Initial "Design Intent" is key here. The design intent of Lucifer is that of a bicycle and very often, other ideas come to light in the construction process. When those ideas begin to go far beyond the initial design intent, it would be best to save them for the next project.

I'm thinking that's where you're headed anyhow so I won't belabour the point. ;-)

Sounds to me like you're quite the creative type and certainly an adventurer. As you've so eloquently stated and I'm sure you're already involved in the process, "do the research". If you look at some of the original motorcycles from the early 1900's, they are not much more than motorized bicycles. The technology of those original engines was such that for their size, the output was minimal.

Case in point, a feller stopped in at a local 50's-ish drive-in restaraunt on "bike night" with an 1920's something motorycyle that was built in England. It was powered by a 600cc V-twin J.A.P. engine. Top speed? 40mph.

If you look at the modern motorcycle, be it the Rice Rockets or Heavy Cruisers, quite obviously, they've evolved a little.

Have a blast with the project, be creative, innovative... or whatever. But do keep safety in mind. You stated earlier, you're a big feller so ponder just a bit, how much braking would be required to stop Ziggy and say another 200lbs of motorized bicycle effectively?

Eeegad... enough bloviating from ME today...

Y'all have fun!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 7/6/2004 at 1:41:18 AM
I would switch to a rear disc brake, so I won't crash. I suppose I will rip out a mini bike or a go cart motor. Thanks for all of the replies. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Stacey on 7/6/2004 at 10:19:55 AM
I'm the marmot. :)

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/7/2004 at 1:04:11 AM
Oh my... well, I hope nobody is keeping you, an amphibious rodent, within city limits. That's not legal either, Dude.

heh heh....

The Dude abides!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/7/2004 at 1:06:36 AM
Hey ziggy.... I just recalled... and re-realized that there IS a discussion board here regarding motorized bicycles. Of course, being the resourceful feller that you are, you've probably already been in their pickin' brains, eh? (No... I won't check to see) ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 7/10/2004 at 2:19:45 AM
No, actually I havn't lokked in that site at all. How is tearing apart a minibike illegal? I just decided that I will not be putting a motor in my Lucifer. (which I should be finishing this weekend) I havn't worked on it much, but it will be done. I think I will buy a used minibike and modify it. I will strecth the frame and the frontend, make the frontend a springer, fab some custom parts and end up with a legal (?) mini chopper. I thank all for your suggestions. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/10/2004 at 11:26:54 AM
heh heh... sorry for the confusion Ziggy. The reference to the marmot being kept in city limits being illegal is from a movie entitled "The Big Lebowski" and is somewhat off-topic. Though, I would bet that like myself, Rif would very highly recommend you seeing it. Hysterical flick.

As to mini-bikes and any and all legality thereof, I've certainly not a clue. Sounds like you're on to something though. Best of luck completing "Lucifer" and on the upcoming Min-Bike mod. Of course, I'm presuming there will be a similar name for it? Beelzebub or something....

heh heh heh.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by ziggy on 7/10/2004 at 8:13:04 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I havn't thought of a name for it yet. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS: posted by Rif on 7/13/2004 at 12:54:22 AM
The Dude...
Man that is one of the funniest movies I've seen. I was fortunate enough to see it in the theatre so it was larger than life; as The Dude should be...

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by Ronnie on 12/19/2005 at 10:43:41 PM
I have a bike I just finished with a 5 hp Briggs and Stratton engine. Top speed is 45 mph @ 4,000 engine rpm. I used a mountain bike frame with only shocks on the front forks. I used go cart clutch as well as go cart band brakes. It has a mini bike throttle. I will send more info and pics to any one interested. If you want the bolt on and go method try here http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/Engine_Kit1.htm its $135 bucks right now on sale. Good luck to you.

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by Ronnie on 12/19/2005 at 10:44:28 PM
I have a bike I just finished with a 5 hp Briggs and Stratton engine. Top speed is 45 mph @ 4,000 engine rpm. I used a mountain bike frame with only shocks on the front forks. I used go cart clutch as well as go cart band brakes. It has a mini bike throttle. I will send more info and pics to any one interested. If you want the bolt on and go method try here http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/Engine_Kit1.htm its $135 bucks right now on sale. Good luck to you.

AGE / VALUE:   Abita 04 posted by: sam on 6/23/2004 at 2:22:41 PM
Abita 04 has come and gone.And what a show we had this year!
We had over 250 bikes this year.Had a great turn out.Best of show was Erne Dopp's tribute to American Choppers Fireman Bike.His Fireman bicycle really had the details of the original motorcycle.Even down to the fireplug carb.
Wizard Bros had 3 choppers,John Youens had 3,Wade Batiste had s great lookin green chopper---raced youens in the drags! And the list goes on&on!---sam

AGE / VALUE:   1950 schwinn tandem posted by: Derek on 6/20/2004 at 12:47:56 AM
I have a 1950 red schwinn tandem in great condiction. Wondering what the value would be?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950 schwinn tandem posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/22/2004 at 12:29:05 PM
Your 1950 red Schwinn tandem could be worth more than it cost new. Considering that tandems are much more rare than single rider bikes.
Questions: 1)Is the paint still glossy?Red fades, so has the tandem been stored indoors out of sunlight for these 54 years?
2)Are the tires original? and if so, how much tread wear?

Jim Donohue

CUSTOMS:   Soke Patterns website please posted by: Iain on 6/17/2004 at 7:40:31 PM
Hi folks, I`m looking for a website which shows you custom patterns for spoke lacing. I`m only looking to re-lace a 36 spoke wheel, but in a Fan pattern, or similar.
Can anyone help!!???

   RE:CUSTOMS:   Soke Patterns website please posted by ziggy on 6/17/2004 at 8:45:17 PM
36 spokes is not be enough to lace in a fan pattern. Most fan laced wheels have 90 to 100 spokes. If you tried fan lacing a wheel with only 36 spokes, then you will end up with a very floppy,weak wheel. Take my advice and get a pre laced "fan" style wheel. I'm not sure if rims set up for fan lacing are available by themselves. Believe me, relacing a wheel isn't easy. Get a prebuilt one at either www.lovelylowrider.com or www.masterlowrider.com. >: )

   RE:CUSTOMS:   Soke Patterns website please posted by Iain on 6/23/2004 at 2:50:05 PM
The thing was I was replacing the hub, with a Nexus 7 speed hub. No point having a single speed bike where I live (Scotland)to many hills!!?? I was just looking for a more interesting spoke pattern than usual.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   Soke Patterns website please posted by Ken on 7/9/2004 at 5:40:14 PM
Some people have put some effort and creativity into patterns for 36 spoke hubs.
sounds like just what you're looking for.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: ziggy on 6/16/2004 at 12:53:53 AM
This is more of an opinion kind of question. What type of welding do you guys prefer for frames? I used arc and mig welding machines on my frame, but I was just wondering. Most of today's motorcycle frames are TIG welded together. But then again, I'm just questioning personal preferance. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frame Builder's Preference posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/16/2004 at 1:53:58 PM
On account of the fact that carbon fiber is a very popular frame building material, I have chosen not to even touch a welder. All my work is Kevlar, Fiberglass or Carbon Fiber,and they require no more heat than a heat lamp to build.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frame Builder's Preference posted by ziggy on 6/16/2004 at 10:48:33 PM
However, carbon fiber is expensive stuff, and fiberglass might not be the easiest material to work with. Besides, fiberglass weakens with heat, steel might shrink a little, but the strength stays put. Thanks for your comment. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frame Builder's Preference posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/18/2004 at 2:00:54 PM
Fiberglass is not the easiest material to work with. However; it works the same way as carbon fiber, so a fiberglass bike can be built and tested BEFORE the descision is made to build a literal "carbon copy" in carbon fiber.
Carbon Fiber costs many times what fiberglass costs.
I have not had any fiberglass melt from the heat, but I do not have an internal combustion engine (ice) on my bike.

AGE / VALUE:   $2100 and STILL "reserve not met" posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/15/2004 at 11:08:57 PM

Quite obviously, not my auction.

This is rather astounding. Be real interesting to see what this chopper sells for. Certainly an awesome design and a lot of work into it.

Thought y'all might find it of interest.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   $2125 and STILL posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/15/2004 at 11:21:10 PM
It went up another $25.
$2,125.00 with 2 days and 18 hours left.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   $2125 and STILL posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/16/2004 at 9:33:13 AM
No doubt. I can only imagine that whomever procures it, the bike will end up being more of a "Displayable Work of Art" than actually being someone's ride.

Certainly is a neat scooter though.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: $2125 and STILL posted by Stacey on 6/20/2004 at 11:18:38 AM
Closed at 3K and the buyer got a great story to boot. What puzzles me is why spend 3K on a bike that only gives you a piece of sheet metal to put your keester on?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: $2125 and STILL posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/21/2004 at 9:29:58 AM
I don't quite get that either. But I guess I just don't quite understand "art" of this form. ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   $3000 the reserve? posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/21/2004 at 11:24:59 PM
I looked at the bid history and it looks like the guy who bought it was only bidding against himself.
Is the seat bare metal? Maybe when the seat is upholstered it can be custom padded for the buyer?

Jim Donohue

   RE:$3000 the reserve? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/22/2004 at 9:30:57 AM
Hmmm... to bid against ones own self... probably just to find "reserve" I'm sure. As to the seat... sure looks like a "pan" of some sort. If that's the case, I would certainly look into some sort of custom seat. Perhaps made of that interesting material they put in Ski boots... that conforms to the foot when "warmed up"?

Pondering the picture... that's a LONG chain for sure. I would have to imaginge the tensioning spring on the derailleur would have to be pretty stiff to prevent the chain from slinging all around if you hit a bit of a rough patch.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

CUSTOMS:    posted by: ziggy on 6/13/2004 at 10:59:12 PM
Has anyone had luck with chrome spray paint? I have heard people say that it works good if the surface to be painted is perfectly clean and was sanded with 400 grit sandpaper. They say it looks like chrome. I'm not sure. Does it turn out ok or does it really look like chrome? Thanks. >: )

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/14/2004 at 9:21:28 AM
I guess it depends on the "chrome" paint, but my experience is that it is basically a VERY fine grained silver. So, yes, to a point if you sand and buff the underlying surface to be as smoot as possible, the better. Thing is, as with most "silver" paint in a can, be prepared to clearcoat over it in order for it to retain it's luster. Most of these "chrome" paint tend to rub off. Additionally, I think some of them contain Aluminium "dust" and without clearcoating over them, they will "tarnish".

If you REALLY, REALLY need to have something chromed... well... best to actually get it plated. But if "close enough" is... uh... close enough, give the chrome paint a try. But I would first test it out on something before applying it to any surfaces of import.

Good luck! Perhaps you've come across a brand that is much improved over what I've seen in the past.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by AviationMetalSmith on 6/14/2004 at 3:41:21 PM
I never had any luck with "chrome" spray paint. All it is is silver spray paint.
I have painted bikes with metallic "dupli-color" and while it was wet, between coats, I sprinkled on a little aluminum powder, I got quite an improved luster that way.
Keep in mind, aluminum powder is believed to cause Alzheimers Disease, so wear a respirator if you decide to handle it.

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by sam on 6/14/2004 at 9:08:22 PM
I had GREAT results with chrome spray paint.When rubbed a little it looks just like Cad plating!Used it for the bendix manuel 2-speed shifter on the 1955 schwinn american.Unfortunately--if you want chrome you'll have to pay for chrome plating---sam P.S. you can make some very cool/hotrod stuff with painted parts,hotcoating,blackout, buffed/shined alum parts,and stanless steel.Chrome is only one answer.

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by ziggy on 6/15/2004 at 12:43:15 AM
I thank you all for your comment. I think I will use Sam's idea and buff the paint once it's dry to make it shiny. What brand of paint did you use? I wan't to paint the frontend, handlebars and the sissy bar on my new bike chrome. >: )

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If you buff chrome paint it get dull.That's why it looks like cad plating.

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If you buff chrome paint it get dull.That's why it looks like cad plating.

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posted by ziggy on 6/16/2004 at 12:53:04 AM
What does "cad" plating look like? Judging bu how you're describing it, it sounds pretty cool. >: )

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by Jon on 6/27/2004 at 1:42:51 AM
In my experience, not too many of the paints out there actually look like chrome. However, there are alternatives, such as polishing, and as mentioned before, chrome plating. There is also a "synthetic" chrome available as well. Take a look at www.ezchrome.com, and you will see what I mean. I hope this helps

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by triumph on 7/13/2004 at 4:48:51 AM
get real that crap does not work save your busboy money and get your stuff plated and quit sniffing paint

   RE:CUSTOMS:    posted by Jim Brown on 7/24/2004 at 9:33:38 PM
If interested I have a spray on chrome system.I can spray chrome finish on just about any surface. Contact me at (727)423-1412.

MISC:    posted by: ziggy on 6/10/2004 at 8:32:46 PM
I can't stand it when you kindly reply to someone's message with helpful advice and they never write back. A simple Thanks would do just fine. Don't you think? >: )

   RE:MISC:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/11/2004 at 3:09:54 AM
Hey! That's GREAT advice!




Larry "Boneman" Bone

MISC:   Eccoblue posted by: NoCalHiRide on 6/9/2004 at 8:29:09 AM
If one talks about Big Daddy, this story is so intwined with Roth himself: Bonehead needs to speak with more respect to all, for all.

" Sonnet to Eccoblue

Born in distress as if cursed by her genes,
Struggling to breathe, congenital defects,
Taking their toll, cyanotic as queens,
Many strong and noble minds she infects;
Despair is seen on the brow of their faces,
Yet hope and the scalpel soon came to her,
To save and change her heart, leaving their traces,
Four times under the knife was the answer;
Mental scars etched deep from fright's visit,
Lots of needles scaring the child with pain,
Fear came like a serpent out of its pit,
All the sunshine fled, days turned to rain;
Her spirit annealed itself in flame,
Life's spark glowed within—living's her fame

- Dad

(written after her last open-heart surgery, 1997)

- http://www.eccoblue.org/index.html

   RE:MISC:   Eccoblue posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/9/2004 at 9:35:05 AM
Certainly a tragic story of indefatigablity, courage in the face of consummate adversity, etc. I would wish only the best for the young lady.

As to respect, or the lack thereof? I'm not the one calling people names.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Eccoblue posted by ziggy on 6/10/2004 at 1:18:13 AM
Larry wasn't showing disrespect for Roth. Nobody is showing disrespect. I know I'm not. In fact I think Larry portray's Roth as a legend. I do as well. Everyone should. >: )

AGE / VALUE:   Ziggy's LUCIFER posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/9/2004 at 12:31:46 AM
You ARE gonna hang pictures somewhere for us to peruse the ride when it's complete, right?

Hopefully, things are progressing according to plan. I'm intrigued thus far by the description and am lookin' forward to seein' the end result.

Meanwhile... Y'all ride SAFE out there! I damn near got taken out by a brat on an ATV tonight. My MSF training... once again... save my sad, sorry arse.

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ziggy's LUCIFER posted by ziggy on 6/10/2004 at 1:20:30 AM
Of course I will! You think I would talk about a piece being built and I wouldn't show pictures? ; ) As a matter of fact, I just need to add a few more things and it's done! >: )

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ziggy's LUCIFER posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/10/2004 at 1:33:02 AM

Yeah... it's always the details, aint it?

Look forward to seeing it.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/5/2004 at 6:37:35 PM

NMA of course! I'm wondering if the folks selling this thing have seen the Stingray MADNESS on Ebay and priced their Rat Fink accordingly. So far no bids and I've no idea what the reserve price is... but for what they have listed as the "Buy it NOW" price... you could buy TWO of them.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by ziggy on 6/5/2004 at 10:09:22 PM
Are you obsessed with the rat fink bike? I thought you already bought one. >: )

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/5/2004 at 10:25:25 PM
Uhhh... obsessed? Nah. It just came up in an Ebay search for "chopper bicycle". If some poor fool buys it at that price, I may list mine.... sell it for the same price and buy TWO MORE!



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by JimW. on 6/7/2004 at 1:30:54 AM
Of course he's obsessed. Nothin' wrong with that. Our friend $5 Frank is obsessed with VWs, and he probably bought his first one 30 years ago. I myself grew up in a Chevrolet family; which is curious, as my dad once worked for Ford. My wife grew up in a Ford family; but our mixed marriage seems to have worked out, probably because we've never bought a family car.

BTW: That was a nice Rat Fink bike review, Larry. I hope you buy lots more bikes, so we can hear your take on them. Or maybe you could just steal them? We won't tell.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/7/2004 at 9:24:31 AM
Obsessed? Aww... c'mon. I only have like 16 bikes in the stable. A buddy of mine.. has over 750 Schwinns in his... and another 250 at his folks house. And probably parts enough to buils another 200 as well! :-0

Intersting points on the automobiles. My dad was a chrysler man all his life. Bought his first Lincoln after Chrysler sold out to Daimler.

Most welcome on the "review". Can't wait to swing a leg over the Nirve "Cannibal" or "Razorback" towards the end of summer.

I did spot a very nice TREK at the LBS. A new model for them... It's actually equipped with a Nexus 8-speed internal hub, full mudguards (fenders), FULL CHAINCASE, rack, generator lighting system, DING bell, "sit up and beg" seating. VERY nice. Though they did put a "Cheek Splitting" seat on it.

Keep Ridin'!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by Butch on 6/8/2004 at 5:52:07 PM
I just bought an Electra "Rat Fink" an' honestly,.........it's jes' a darned cool cruiser. I freaked when I saw th' new "Sting Ray", but ya wanna know somethin'? 20" wheels, an' set up for riders that can ride "little" bicycles. Danged shame, too, 'cause it looks awesome. Trouble is,...I ain't 12 years old any more,......try 50 on 17 / June, @ 250 lbs. / 6' tall, an' it's even a stretch for me, sometimes. Th' 3-speed hub with a 24" rim, coaster brake an' a 3.00 x 24 tire is way good. Overall,......It's kinda pricey, but I been lookin' for a stretched "fat man's" bicycle, an' this is one fer sure. Besides,......keep it clean,.....don't ride it in bad weather, an' resale could be pretty good in say,...10 years, as Ed only passed away last year. I'm glad I bought it. 'Came with authenticy tag an' a lil' bottle of touch-up paint to boot. I outfitted it with a generator "bullet" head an' tailite, a mirror,.....an' re-positioned all th' reflectors so as to move th' seat all th' way down, an' mount th' lite in front. Peeps give me "thumbs up" alla time. I also bought my gran-son an Electra "Mini-Rod" which ain't as cool lookin' as th' "Sting Ray", but comparably priced. We hit his up with a set of ape-hangers, an' a lite set-up like mine. We're happy.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by Butch on 6/8/2004 at 6:04:38 PM
By th' way,......them "bottle" generators aren't what they used to be,......Mine has an' H an' an' L output tab, which used to be High an' Low, but now they're both the low output. Any ideas? Or should I jes' buy another kit to garner th' generator, an' spare parts?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/9/2004 at 12:30:24 AM
Ah... another R.F. owner. Butch, ya get to be our age and ya can finally afford all them toyz ya couldn't when younger, eh? Yeah, it's pricey. But I do like mine as well. It does get a lot of comments and is surely a "Kid Magnet". But then... so is my radical "Custom Chopper". Though I would NOT take that on a rail trail. 4' forks and WAY too much rake! The R.F. could certainly handle it though. To your point, more of a stretched cruiser than a chopper.

As to bottle generators... Hmmm.... dunno about the new ones. I did equip mine with a cycling 'puter and to date I've rolled 65 miles on it. Fastest I've rolled was 28mph and it's rock solid at speed. Rather paltry distance wise, but yes... the 45 year olde arthritic legs are just beginning to "function" once again. Well... at least the knees don't make that alarming SNAPPING noise anymore!

Good luck with the new RIDE!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink MADNESS? posted by Hank "Lunchbox" Lambert on 7/23/2004 at 12:52:09 AM
I bought a Rat Fink about two months ago. I already have over 100 miles on it. I am very surprised at the distance I can ride in a single trip. The longest I have done in a single trip was 22 miles. My butt was pretty soar, but other than that, it rides like a dream. And it is perfect for the big boyz. I am 5'11", and weight in at 275 lbs. Needless to say, I get comments every single time I take it out.


WANTED:   SPECIAL BIKE posted by: DOUG WRIGHT on 6/4/2004 at 6:25:47 PM