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CUSTOMS:   spoke protector posted by: ziggy on 8/21/2004 at 3:23:01 PM
Hey it's your old friend ziggy. I recently picked up this old spoke protector for free from work. I thought that it was a schwinn made one. Like the one found on the krates. I looked closer at it and it had "Suntour Japan" stamped on it in small letters. I don't know if this is a schwinn. You'd think it would have "schwinn" stamped on it. Is it possible to put this on a single speed coaster wheel? If I removed the gear and sandwiched it between the hub and the gear, I think it might work, but I have never seen it done. Any replies are appreciated. >: )

   RE:CUSTOMS:   spoke protector posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/22/2004 at 1:25:41 AM
I think if you look at some of the earlier 3-speed Raleigh Choppers, they had spoke protectors on them. Sounds like it's do-able though you may have to "file to fit". Is it plastic or kewl chrome?

As to being stamped suntour, well, that would certainly I.D. it's origin. As to all things stamped "Schwinn".... well they were good for that. Even if say, Huret manufactured a front derailleur, as in the case of my old Raleigh Sprite, the "Schwinn" version had identical and interchangeable parts. Good thing too... as it was easier in the 70's to get a Schwinn branded Huret part than to actually get the bonafide Huret.

Good luck with the install!



   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   spoke protector posted by ziggy on 8/22/2004 at 3:23:54 PM
Well if it was a schwinn, then I might of sold it on ebay for some big cash. But yes it is a metal piece that is chrome. It is a pretty thin piece of steel, so I probably wouldn't have to modify it to fit. I still don't know what suntour means. Thanks. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   spoke protector posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/23/2004 at 9:38:10 AM
Ah... Suntour used to... and quite possibly still does, make gearing systems. Shifters, derailleurs, etc.

I would think on a single-speed bike, it would look cool and stay in good condition. Often on derailleur shifting bikes, the idler pulley carrier would rub against the spoke protector if poorly adusted.. or sometimes even if properly adjusted... scoring up the protector and making it look kinda shabby.

Go for it! ;-)



   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   spoke protector posted by ziggy on 8/23/2004 at 5:06:01 PM
I think I will put it on my chopper. Yeah I hate those stupid idler gears too. Especially on a MTB. They are sure to get smashed on a tall rock or something because they stick out so much. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   spoke protector posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/27/2004 at 11:22:05 PM
Yeah... it's called "planned obsolesence". I'm sure by now, the mfg's now PRECISELY how many "spares" per unit sold they need have on hand for replacement.

But hey, MTB is kinda fun. I used to ride offroad years ago. Though nothing as "technical" as they do now. I guess it's all a part of the new "Extreme" culture.

I do like the rail-trail systems though. Actually prefer the cinder / ballast trails to the paved. If you ever get the chance, the Paulinskill Valley Trail that runs from Sparta, NJ to Columbia, NJ is downright GORGEOUS. Though ya gotta keep an eye out fer them Horse Apples. Especially ifya aint got no fenders! Them railroad men... boy, they had it made in their day!



AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/15/2004 at 12:43:46 PM
I didn't know THIS was in the works. I can only imagine what our friend Ziggy will have to say about THIS one! I personally nearly busted a gut laughing out loud! And here, I thought the ADULT version of the "Stingray" was to be the next one available..... I guess not!



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Lou on 8/15/2004 at 5:42:29 PM
The "adult" version is/was debuted first.
Check out their site schwinn.com then goto "rebirth of cool" / Stringray.
I own the adult/20" version and added about $180 worth of customization so far.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/15/2004 at 6:43:50 PM
??? It was my belief that the 20" was more suited to the 8 to 12 year old crowd and that a larger, perhaps 24 or 26" wheeled version was in the offing?


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/15/2004 at 6:44:59 PM
??? It was my belief that the 20" was more suited to the 8 to 12 year old crowd and that a larger, perhaps 24 or 26" wheeled version was in the offing?


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by ziggy on 8/15/2004 at 8:57:27 PM
WHAT! That stupid 20" piece of sh*t WAS the adult version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????? Damn chicken sh*t piece of g*damn AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >: /

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/16/2004 at 2:03:44 AM
EASY now! It's not that bad man!



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by ziggy on 8/16/2004 at 4:58:14 PM
It is bad. Does schwinn think that adults are four feet tall? They must because that is the height the rider must be to ride that thing! I thought the "adult" version was supposed to look like the grey ghost! Damn journalists. >: /

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/17/2004 at 11:47:02 PM
I'm quite sure Schwinn has a larger model in the works. They would be fools not to. The way bikes like the R.F. and Stiletto are selling, they better get theirs to market SOON!

BTW: I've been reading in other forums that the OCC stingray is one HEAVY machine.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by ziggy on 8/18/2004 at 1:17:30 AM
Ok. Here is a little fact about those things. Go on ebay. Look up Schwinn Stingray. I gaurantee that someone has one of those listed under "very rare". VERY RARE!!!??? They JUST CAME OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! : 0 Sure you don't see them in Walmart, but they are not "rare". Whoever posted that message with the bike for bid is a dumbass. There. I said it. Heavy machine? >: /

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/18/2004 at 9:26:29 AM
I would certainly agree. Kinda funny they being described as "rare" on Ebay when there are so MANY of them listed, eh? As to heavy, I've heard "guesstimates" in the neighborhood of 40lbs. I have a '74 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist that weighs that much.... and it's a LARGE bike. 28" wheels and with the seat all the way down, I'm certainly on the balls of my feet when stopped.

So I'm figuring the "Stingray" probably weighs less... though, perhaps the large tires contribute significantly.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by ziggy on 8/19/2004 at 6:13:14 PM
40lbs eh. My unfinished chopper weighs under 30. And it's a lot longer than that thing. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/22/2004 at 10:24:43 AM
Well, one has to keep in mind that the 40lbs. was a guesstimate made by a feller that in all liklihood rides a rather lightweight MTB. So perhaps his "calibration" was based on that.

If I could get in propinquity with one, I could probably provide a better guesstimate as having a minor plethora of bikes that way on or near that, I'm a bit more familiar with the "feel" of what a 40lb. bike is like.

Either way... methinks for it's size, it's rather "dense". ;-)



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by ziggy on 8/22/2004 at 3:26:04 PM
Well it looks pretty dense, all of those thick frame pieces, But you are correct. Someone who rides an alluminum mtb probably wouldn't know what 40lbs feels like. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/25/2004 at 11:16:49 PM
heh heh... case in point. I had brought my DL-1 to work one day just for show-n-tell. One of the techno-velo-riders was curious as to it's weight. So I said "Go ahead, pick it up!". Well, he reaches over and grabs the top tube... with one hand...

The look on his face was priceless!



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   OH NO! posted by ziggy on 8/26/2004 at 1:07:07 AM
How old is that bike? Is it steel? >: )

MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show Photo albums 2003-2004 posted by: Peter Naiman on 8/13/2004 at 4:00:50 PM
I've put together albums of the last two years of Larz if anyone to view really great cycles. If you click on the URL below, you can view full albums of the last two years
of Larz. There aresome very exotic and interesting Antiques and Highwheelers, take a peak at the 2003 Album.
Peter Naiman
Boston, MA


   RE:MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show Photo albums 2003-2004 posted by AviationMetalSmith on 8/14/2004 at 4:00:48 PM
That's an interesting album.
I liked the old aluminum water bottles with corks
on that old ten speed.
It's rare for someone to save an old antique like that.
All of the water bottles you see today are plastic.

MISC:   parking brake posted by: ziggy on 8/9/2004 at 11:30:56 PM
I was just wondering. I recently stripped an old road bike for parts. (rear reflector, forks) I noticed a bar with a key shaped object on the end of it. The bar would swing down parallel with the ground and attatch to the other seat stay. You would turn the key and the bar would lock in place, preventing the rear wheel from spinning. It seems like it would be an anti theft device. ( although you could pick the bike up and walk away with it.) The key thing wouldn't come out. Is it supposed to? If it didn't,it wouldn't serve as an anti theft device very well. The headbadge and screening on the chaingaurd were scratched off. The bike had 27" wheels, a sturmey archer internal gear/coaster rear hub with a finger shifter. Just wondering what the hell that bike was before throen in the trash. >: )

   RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/10/2004 at 12:06:16 AM
27" wheels and three speed? Hmmm.... rather unusual that, sir! I presume it was pretty rough to end up being parted out. Anyhow... as to the "locking" mechanism... I would bet that the key ONLY removes when in the locked position. This would in part hopefully prevent the key from being lost. You unlock it... the key stays in the lock so it won't fall out of you pocket whilst riding... or some such nonsense. I have a bike mfg'd in India (an Abley) with a device similar.

Raleigh, et.al. had a neat locking front fork mechanism as well... and to find one so equipped WITH the original key is quite the find!

Yeah, it's an anti-theft device. To prevent someone from just hopping on and riding off. To your point, someone with a pickup truck could just... well... pick it up and be off with it. Sounds like a neat olde bike anyhow.

I'm still puzzled about the 27" wheel though. I've seen Columbias with S/A hubs and 27" wheels... but not too many Raleighs. Just curious... and I hope it did not... but did the bike have "celluloid" mudguards (fenders)?


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/10/2004 at 9:43:32 AM
Hey... if the rear wheel assembly is still intact and functional, I might be interested if you're pondering selling it. Though the AC (coaster brake) hubs can be somewhat troublesome and impossible to get parts for.

Lemme know!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by ziggy on 8/10/2004 at 6:58:31 PM
Well the deal was I would come in to work an hour early to strip the bike. I took what I wanted, and I had to throw it in the trash. The bar was in the locked position and the key didn't come out. I would love to sell the unit to you, but it is rotting in a landfill somewhere. The 27" was a rough guess to the wheel size. I knew it was bigger than 26", so I assumed it was 27". There was a label that said "made in Japan" on the bike though. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/10/2004 at 10:37:18 PM
Ah... Japan, eh? It was a Sturmey Archer hub and not the ubiquitous Shimano 333? Not that I'm surprised. Aside from the hub and whatever bits ya salvaged off it, I'm sure certainly not an overtly collectible machine then. (WHEW!)

What my thoughts are... and I was a dope to pass on one at a yard sale, was to get a donor bike with a 27" rim, Sturmey-Archer AW hub and transfer that into my 5-speed Raleigh Sprite.

I'm not a huge fan of derailleur gearing... particulary the older stuff that's not "indexed". Though, for years I rode my olde 10-speed Sprite 27 all over the place. While index shifting would have been nice, you get pretty good at hitting the gears with lots of practice. heh heh.

Take care and Happy Hunting! ;-)

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by ziggy on 8/11/2004 at 1:05:16 AM
Well, you wouldn't want it anyway. The shifter wouldn't select second gear, so you have to use all of your index finger strength to yank the shifter past the "2" printed on the shifter. I'm pretty sure that the hub was a Sturmey archer. The shifter had sturmey archer printed on it. So that was a dead giveaway. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/11/2004 at 1:25:18 AM
You would be surprised... I've seen Shimano shifters hooked to S/A hubs and vice versa.

Dead giveaway would be if there was a bellcrank arrangement (Shimano) on the end of the axle or a wee chain coming out the end (S/A).

Either way... a bit of a moot point at this juncture. heh heh.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by ziggy on 8/12/2004 at 7:38:48 PM
Actually, there was a litle chain sticking out of the right side of the hub. I assume that that chain was the indicator chain. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   parking brake posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/13/2004 at 9:31:27 AM
Presumption dead-on correct. The "indicator chain" would indicate to me that yes, an S/A hub with the coaster brake.

They worked well... but a bugger to repair and impossible to get parts for at this juncture.

Perhaps it's best that it "sleeps with the fishes"... or... earthworms as had been alluded to earlier. ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

CUSTOMS:   What size headset to use?? posted by: Shawn Green on 8/8/2004 at 6:43:28 PM
I have a headtube that is 1 1/4 inches wide by 6 inches long. I want to use straight springer forks which have a 1 inch thread. What size heaset and stem would i need to make this work? I have been told that a one inch threaded headet would work fine but i dont see how if the tube is 1 1/4 inches wide. Please help me understand. thanks SG

   RE:CUSTOMS:   What size headset to use?? posted by ziggy on 8/9/2004 at 2:46:20 AM
Well if you look at headsets closely, you will notice that the stem is in the middle and there are metal plates that match the inside diameter of the headtube. In this case, 1 1/4''. You need a 1 1/4'' headset. If you find the headset you're looking for, the box should say what stem size you must use. Whoever told you that a 1'' headset would work with a 1 1/4'' headtube didn't know what the f*ck they were talking about. >: )

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS: What size headset to use?? posted by Stacey on 8/9/2004 at 10:38:53 AM
Well, let's just do the math here. If your head tube is 1 1/4" dia. and you use a fork with a 1" threaded steertube, that's a difference of 1/4". Divide that by 2 for the radial differential, it leaves 1/8" clearence on either side of the of the steer tube OD between the ID of the head tube. Now, if we allow 1/16" wall thickness for the head bearing races we're left with 1/16" radial clearence between the ID of the head bearing races and the OD of the steertube. Sounds like it should work just right for you.

Regardless of what's marked on the packaging I would go frame and forks in hand to make sure it all fits before I hand over MY dead presidents.

AGE / VALUE:   "Dealerships" posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/8/2004 at 1:07:31 PM
Been pondering an additional acquisition for the "Stable" and visited the Nirve and Giant websites. Using their "Dealer Locator" features, I found a shop that carries both. Yeah, thinking about possibly a Stiletto or a Cannibal.

So anyhow, I hop in the truck and head on over to this (not quite so local) LBS. A very nice shop indeed with hundreds of bicycles. Not ONE Nirve in the place... and from what I could see... only a couple of Giants.

The owner was very helpful and will check availability of the bikes in question for me.

Causes me to wonder... I guess it's easy to be listed as an official "Dealership"... but something entirely different to actually carrying inventory.

Of course, I should have called first... but was going to be in the area anyhow so thought I would just drop in.

Still... a bit of a disappointment....


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by JimW. on 8/10/2004 at 6:08:41 PM
To be listed as a dealer, they just have to carry something in the product line. Maybe now that you've asked for something else, the dealer will catch on that there's demand for other aspects of the product line, and order them. Nirve, and most other manufacturers, aren't as autocratic as Schwinn used to be. Back in the day, official Schwinn dealers had to carry everything they made, whether it all sold or not.

Dealers who don't catch on that there's growing demand for adult chopper-style bikes until too late, are due for a nasty surprise in the very near future, when their former regular customers start going to other real bike shops, or even (shudder) WalMart or Toys R Us, to get what they currently want in a bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/10/2004 at 11:27:48 PM
Good observations Jim. Perhaps, if this feller can get the Stiletto or Cannibal in-house, it may attract the crowds of slack-jawed gawkers that congregate around my Rat Fink whenever I ride it into work... or anywhere else for that matter.

Perhaps that will open his eyes as to what certain portions of the market are looking for.

Hopefully, he won't sell it out from under me once in-house. ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/11/2004 at 1:11:25 AM
Just curious, How much did your rat cost? I don't plan on buying one, but I was just wondering. I don't really like bikes that are chopper style and have that kind of seat. I like bannana seats myself. I think that they are more comfortable. I have a cheap mongoose MB with dual suspension and a double gel seat cover (standard seat). I have ridden that damn thing for six years, and after 5 minutes on it my azz hurt and went numb. I have owned my remake stingray for one year and I find it to be the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. No numbness! Oh, how much did your rat fink cost? Just curious again. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/11/2004 at 1:39:53 AM
Ahh... the "Numb Butt" syndrome. I'm more familiar with that regarding motorcycle seats. The stock seat on my old Vulcan Classic 800 was a KILLER. 1/2 hour into a ride and my butt was... well... for all intents and purposes.. it was GONE! Many stock motorcycle seats are NOTORIOUS for that!

Due to the size of the R.F., it's a major expense shipping wise. That... and at the moment, supply cannot keep up with demand... hence, I paid list price of $570.

The seat is actually very comfortable, though I imagine if you were so inclined you could fit a banana seat on there. Thing is, the way the frame geometry is set up, you better have LONG legs to reach the pedals if you were to sit back further. That... and you would have to pull the bars back considerably to reach them.

Overall height of the bike is considerable too. Standing next to it, I would guesstimate the handgrips to be a good 4'-6" off the ground.

I took it out on the Paulinskill Valley Trail on Sunday. A cinder and ballast base Rail Trail that goes from Sparta, to Columbia NJ. With them big tires, it handled it wonderfully. I wouldn't try it with a Nirve Cannibal or the Giant Stiletto as they have considerably more radical fork rake. As to my custom chopper.... no friggin' WAY would I take that on anything other than SMOOTH roadway! The R.F. with it's more conventional rake handled the rough spots (not that the trail is overtly "technical") without any issues whatsoever.

As I'm sure you're familiar, when you have a bike that's unique and stylish, you get a lot of folks that are interested in it and have innumerable questions. So for a bit more time than I would have liked, I was chatting with a few of the techno-mountain-bike riders on the trail as well. They had never seen anything quite like it before. ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/12/2004 at 7:46:19 PM
I think that the rat is a little pricey. I know what you mean when you have to ride a chopper on SMOOTH road. My first test ride with Lucifer (still not finished) , was a nightmare. On an uneven dirt path LEADING to pavement almost led to me smashing my face on the ground. (damn holes) Anyway I am close to finishing my piece soon and I hope to show it to everyone on the next bikerodnkustom issue. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/13/2004 at 9:36:08 AM
Yeah, the Rat is a bit pricey... but considering that some of the techno-veloheads that I work with own $3000 bicycles that have no "bang for the buck" coolness factors, it's not too bad I guess.

I had procured from a feller in the Pittsburg area an upside-down ladies frame chopper with 4' forks. A very cool ride be assured, but I would not even contemplate taking it on anything other than smooth road.

Quite sure should I attempt it, I would end up face down in the mud in very short order!

So... in the parlance of the motorcyclist, "Keep the shiny side up!"


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/14/2004 at 1:21:41 AM
Amen. Well the bike shop I work at carries most of the high end Cannondale and Bianchi bikes. Mountain and road. They aren't exactly my cup of tea, but they have some cool features. Like hydraulic disc brakes, single side fork setups titainium frames, that kind of stuff. The cannondale six 13 model we just got in has an aluminum And carbon fiber frame. The carbon is mixed in on the main tubes of the frame with the aluminum. Weighs only about 20 pounds! Cool stuff. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/14/2004 at 11:42:27 AM
A bike shop you work in eh? Well... lets see, ya work in a bike shop, obviously within day-trip distance to OCC in NY State. That's pretty cool. It wouldn't be Joe Fixits, would it?

Well... anyhow. The "technobikes" of today aren't exactly my cup of tea either. My rule is, when on two wheels, be it bicycle or motorcycle, my arse is NOT gonna be higher than my head! heh heh.

Some of the technology is both amazing and baffling. As with everything else, I think it can be a case of technology for technology's sake. One of the techno-veloheads at work brought in his MTB with hydraulic disc brakes and it just floored me. Having bled hydraulic brakes on a motorcycle and knowing how much fun that was... I can only imagine the "fun" it would be to bleed them things!

Composite frames, single leg forks, full damped suspensions. All quite amazing stuff!!!

As to lightweights, they've been around for quite some time. Back in the days of yore, when the British bicycle manufacturers were in their glory, they were making bikes as light as 19lbs with fairly standard materials. Though, I'm sure on an "adjusted dollar" price scale, they were very pricey!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by ziggy on 8/14/2004 at 11:56:54 PM
No the shop name is Cycle Therapy. I live about 2 hours from OCC. Yeah a lot of that stuff is baffling, yet cool. >: )

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tri-Wheeler (mini made in Japan) posted by: SteveM on 8/6/2004 at 2:51:03 PM
Hello everyone!
I'm not sure if this is the correct message board....

Yesterday I acquired a Schwinn Tri-Wheeler. It has a 20in front wheel, and 16in rear wheels. The back end is articulated and has a torsion bar. This thing is trick. I have never seen or heard of anything like it, and am wondering its history. There is a chain tensioner (looks like a rear derailleur) that says bridgestone, the grips are also bridgestone with jeweled ends. The headbadge says Schwinn made in Japan. The tubing is rather oversized with relief cut lugs. Please please anyone out there have any info on It?
Thanks in advance,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Tri-Wheeler (mini made in Japan) posted by ziggy on 8/9/2004 at 11:38:14 PM
Sounds cool! >: )

AGE / VALUE:   Spacelander fiberglass bicycle posted by: AviationMetalSmith on 7/26/2004 at 10:00:28 PM
Anyone ever hear about the Bowden Spacelander? A Fiberglass Bicycle that was introduced circa 1950?
It's very rare and I once saw a Business Week article about how they go for $10,000 ten thousand dollars and up.

If anyone has any knowledge of a website with more information, I would appreciate if you could please post it here.

Thanks in advance.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spacelander fiberglass bicycle posted by JimW. on 7/27/2004 at 5:25:47 PM
National Bicycle History Archive of America has an article on the Spacelander. Leon Dixon, the curator, owns one of the originals. Unfortunately, the article isn't accessable at the moment, for some reason. The article index may be seen at: http://members.aol.com/oldbicycle/historical.htm

A few years ago, someone was selling repop Spacelanders, it may have been Rideable Bicycle Replicas . I haven't seen them listed there lately, but they're probably out there somewhere.

The Bowden was designed in England, and is a very cool bike. The opening page of the NBHAA site has an animated 3D rendering of one.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spacelander fiberglass bicycle posted by Kim on 7/31/2004 at 1:52:52 PM
There are pictures of them in the Picture Database on this site

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spacelander fiberglass bicycle posted by Aviation Metal Smith on 8/11/2004 at 6:43:03 PM
Thanks for the replys. Sorry I didn't get around to reading them until now.

MISC:    posted by: ziggy on 7/24/2004 at 10:01:42 PM
I was just wondering. How are you supposed to ride that new "stingray" thing? I am 5' 10'' and it would be impossible for me to ride it. It must be built for little 8 year olds. I saw one on desplay at the new ORANGE COUNTY CHOPPERS SHOWROOM. Yes, I visited it, took three desposable camera's worth of pictures and even went to the actual OCC shop! I had one of my OCC shirts signed by Big paul and paul jr! I was hoping that Mikey would come out and sign my shirt too, but he never came out. It turns out that I was waiting there for two hours total! Anyway I would love to brag continuously about my shop visit, but I won't. That dumb bike is so short! My bike (lucifer) is in excess of eight feet long! That little thing is more like 4 1/2 feet long! If I was to ride it, my knee would smash my chin as I am pedaling! Does anyone else besides me think that those things are dumb as well? Go to ebay and look up schwinn stingray and you get seven or eight pages. 4 or more of those pages is filled with those f***ing things! They are NOT THAT COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are the biggest rip off of any chopper made in the history of bike building! And you're opinions please. >: )

   RE:MISC:    posted by greenbeans on 7/25/2004 at 8:59:56 PM
hahahaha i would definetly agree with you on that one. i'm sorry that you had to visit occ

   RE:RE:MISC:    posted by ziggy on 7/26/2004 at 12:32:26 AM
What? You don't like ORANGE COUNTY CHOPPERS!? Sinner. >: /

   RE:MISC:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/26/2004 at 1:41:18 AM
So, you were hangin' out at OCC eh? I did not realize we were that much in propinquity. Sounds like ya had fun! As to the new Stingray, I don't think they ever marketed it as an "adult" bike. Yes, it's definitely Kid-Sized and I believe that's what the spec sez. For 8 to 12 year olds. As to my opinion of them? Well... they are a kids bike. They are mass produced. If I were an 8 year old, I might go for one. But at this juncture, it's a moot point, eh? Besides, I have much "cooler" bikes in my collection at this point.

Meanwhile... and as I had predicted... someone done put together a pretty kewl Chopper with "New Stingray" parts! I think you might like it as it pretty much does not even LOOK like the "original"! Check it out!


BTW: Bon Secours Medical centers are having a motorcycle charity run in October. One of the fellers from OCC will be there (they aint sayin' who) and they are raffling off an OCC chopper as well. The ole Boneman might just have to check in on that one. If yer interested in the particulars, ping me off-board. Be more than happy to fill ya in!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:MISC:    posted by greenbeans on 7/26/2004 at 4:36:54 PM
sorry, but i dont like OCC mainly because more or less, there are NOT fabricaters. they dont make much of anything. ok, maybe a bracket here or there, but honestly, come on, anyone can order a bunch of parts through a catalog and put them together. did you SEE the i,robot bike? how long did it take pauly to figure out HIS EXHAUST WAS GOING THE WRONG WAY. all through the show i sat and told my brother how they should just run a small tube to the second pipe. and it wasnt anything new. jesse james did it on a bike before and made it look better. it was a gold bike.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:    posted by ziggy on 7/26/2004 at 5:43:10 PM
That would be the "copper bike" beans. Well they don't fab THAT much, but the end result is a cool bike. Did you see the POW/MIA bike? That had a lot of fab work done on it. Do bear in mind that most of OCC scenes are staged. The dumbass producers probably told paul to look confused and take forever. >: )

   RE:MISC: FYI posted by AviationMetalSmith on 7/26/2004 at 9:59:56 PM
The stingray you saw is the one for kids, It is NOT the anticipated adult Stingray,The Bike Dealer told me so.
The seat tube is at a ' 50 degree angle , the bike will look funny with the seat up, and there's no sissy bar to help support the seat.

   RE:RE:MISC: FYI posted by ziggy on 7/28/2004 at 1:05:12 AM
I hope that the adult "stingray" isn't the same as the kid version bigger of course. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: FYI posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/30/2004 at 12:26:27 AM
I would have to imagine that the "adult" version will be considerably different. There is literally no info forthcoming about it other than it's "in the works" per se.

You can't simply "scale up" the wee one, that's for sure. If they plan on following the "spirit" of the new one, I would think there would be some considerable engineering and design time involved. Not to mention tooling (IF they plan on using a 24" or 26" x 4 tyre), etc.

While some parts may be shared, such as cranks, hubs, sprocket, chainwheel, etc., others certainly will have to be ground up design. That is IF they plan on doing it RIGHT.

Seeing that bikes like the Rat Fink and Cannibal are commanding upwards of $600 and are selling very well, I think if the folks at Schwinn are smart, they will produce something that will be of great interest to the "target market" (whoever THAT is!)

I look forward to seeing it. It's one thing to come up with a kids bike that sells like wildfire... but an "adult" version? It could be very interesting!

What would be the ULTIMATE accomplishment would be to produce one that ZIGGY likes! ;-) They do that, I'll take THREE!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: FYI posted by ziggy on 7/30/2004 at 1:42:23 AM
I'll probably like it. But the reason I don't like those things in the first place is that I have been reading reviews about them. "Every kid will be begging their parents for one", or "Just like the original your folks had in the sixties" !!!!!!!!!!!! Journalists. >: /

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: FYI posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/31/2004 at 10:45:15 AM
"Just like the original...." ?????

Dunno 'bout THAT at all... the only thing that's similar between the new and the old would be the unprecedented SALES.

I'm looking forward to seeing the "adult" version. If done right, it should be a pretty cool ride.

As to Journalists.... Yeah... No kiddin'... :-|


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: FYI posted by JimW. on 7/31/2004 at 3:20:55 PM
Well, I'm not really a journalist, although I play one on the internet, but I'd like to qualify that the quote was from a lazy and ignorant journalist, who didn't bother to do any research on the subject.

Anyone who'd done their homework would have noticed that there's no resemblance at all between the original Stingrays and this new "Stingray chopper". They would also have known that the original musclebikes were kiddy bikes which had been modified with components to enable larger kids to ride them.

This is quite a difference. Schwinn has sort of painted themselves into a corner with this approach, but by having a full-scale one in the works for larger kids and adults, it'll probably work out well for them. By holding off on releasing the bigger one, they're building anticipation in the market, and will probably have lines outside stores on the final release date, based on the buzz the kiddy one is generating.

Speaking of clueless journalists, a writer from the New Orleans Times Picayune covered the Abita Springs meet last month. She was obviously pretty ignorant, because most of the photos, and the most extensive interviewing was to do with unicycles, which are not exactly the core of the event. http://www.nola.com/living/t-p/index.ssf?/base/living-3/1088234788290910.xml

I did see one teenager on one of the Schwinn Choppers at Abita Springs, and he didn't look too weird on it. But he was probably small for his age.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: FYI posted by ziggy on 7/31/2004 at 6:00:37 PM
Unicycles!? Well all journalists either take retarded pictures of things AND modify the truth of an event. Damn journalists! >: /

   RE:MISC:    posted by larry P on 7/31/2004 at 6:02:32 PM
HEy a cool chopper is the stiletto made by giant. I is 7000 tymes better than the gay occ bike!!!!

   RE:RE:MISC:    posted by JimW. on 8/1/2004 at 3:23:34 AM
Kind of an apples and oranges deal with that comparison, Larry. The Stilleto is a very cool adult factory chopper, the Stingray is a very cool factory kiddy chopper. And what's "gay" about the OCC version? I think gay bikers would probably call it "tacky", if anything.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:    posted by ziggy on 8/1/2004 at 4:11:42 PM
True, very true. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:    posted by JimW. on 8/3/2004 at 4:50:14 PM
Gary Silva, of 3G Bikes has a new one coming out called "Choppermeister" which he says is rideable by ages 5 through adult. It looks pretty good. Not quite as "choppery" looking as the Schwinn bike, but pretty radical. It has a 16" front fitted with a disc brake, and a 20" rear with HoggyG 3.45" rubber and a roller brake.

   RE:MISC: posted by c.p. on 8/19/2004 at 2:33:06 AM
my son (8yrs.) wanted the occ schwinn so we found one. chrome with red flames i took one look at it and had to have one. im 5'10'' and could bareley ride it.i found a limited ed. green bike for myself put ape hangers on it and had the machine shop move the seat back 3 inch . the bike is a dream now. the greatest thing about it is now we get excersize and look cool getting it. no more ps2 atleast for now. c.p.

   RE:RE:MISC: posted by ziggy on 8/19/2004 at 6:14:49 PM
Well at least you have something differant than every other damn kid who'll have one eventually. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/22/2004 at 2:25:36 PM
Well, there you have it... Methinks that like the motocyclists that have to add certain accessories to their rides (Guilty as charged... it's called "The CLAP", Chrome, Leather And Power) to sort of make them "their own", most will want to accesorize their OCC "Stingrays". Though, I daresay machine shop mods will not be prevalent. Also, supposedly, you can't bolt-on "Custom".

Either way, bottom line, you like the ride and THAT is the whole enchilada.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: posted by ziggy on 8/23/2004 at 5:09:55 PM
I agree to CLAP. But yeah machine shop mods can be expensive too. I don't think there will be to many "custom" accessories for those stupid things. Even if there will be, every kid will have them and call their bike "custom" (sigh) >: )

   STINGRAY posted by johnson on 8/29/2004 at 12:37:15 AM
Could anyone tell me if this new stingray is any good for adults. some stores say no and others say yeah.
someone let me know please?

AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by: metlhed on 7/21/2004 at 4:07:36 PM
ok so these are really bad pics, but here are some pics of the mini chopper i built in a weeka and a half....i painted it myself:D





   RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by ziggy on 7/21/2004 at 4:52:56 PM
How is it possible to ride the blue one? The crank is so short and low to the ground!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by AviationMetalSmith on 7/21/2004 at 5:01:50 PM
It looks real nice.
How did you make the fork?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by metlhed on 7/21/2004 at 5:04:34 PM
for the fork, i had a 20 inch sittin around that just happened to have the same lenght headtube, so i took that and chopped of a set of fork legs from a 26 inch fork i had sittin around, then just pounded them on till it was straight and even, then i welded it all, but it wasnt quite the same width around at the weld, so i used fiberglass to build it up9i was on a tight deadline, so i couldnt weld and grind to build it up) then i just put a thin layer of body filler over that to make them just right.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by metlhed on 7/21/2004 at 5:06:08 PM
everybody asks how i ride the blue one. it really isnt TOO hard. the cranks are 3inches long, and i use the pedals as a kickstand. i cant ride it down my road, becuase there are potholes, and if i hit one, i either bang up the chain/sprocket, or hit my cranks on the ground, its just lots of practice geting the balance right.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by AviationMetalSmith on 7/21/2004 at 8:24:38 PM
That fiberglass sure came out good. I've done a lot of fiberglass and I couldn't tell it was 'glassed.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/22/2004 at 2:16:54 AM
Nice work! That blue one is most interesting. I like the way the lines flow on it.

Does it feel like it's going downhill all the time? ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by j on 7/27/2004 at 11:43:23 PM
hey, pretty sweet rides!
man I thought my lowrider was LOW...
mines got a 3&1/2" crank (it also pedal stands) and it sometimes wont clear some driveway ramps! (its a schwinn luvchic bondo'd in and painted black with 16"s...yet another bike I built thats too small for me...)
what brand bikes did you build from?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by ziggy on 7/28/2004 at 1:11:22 AM
That blue one is hot, but it is TOO low for my taste. I actually wan't to be able to ride faster than 3mph. Besides, getting up a hill is hard enough on a chopper with a decent size crank. I bought a stingray lookalike that I appropiatley named Medusa. Hint: the bike is green. It came with a 3 1/2" crank, and I found it difficult to ride. Just my two cents. Good work though. >: )

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by Kurt K on 7/30/2004 at 2:35:28 PM
Curious - is that an 18" Kent frame used on the purple ride?

Take care,


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   mini chopper posted by metlhed on 8/1/2004 at 5:24:42 PM
j, i used a 70's murray 20" frame for it, and its got 20in tires. it usually doesnt clear much of anything. it has to be pretty flat to ride it.

kurt, i used a 16" huffy frame for the purple one.

LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by: Nick Crocco on 7/20/2004 at 7:02:55 PM
A few weeks ago I posted that I was looking to trade 2 2004 Schwinn Stingrays for the Electra Rat Fink. Well, I was able to sell them off and I just bought the Rat Fink a few days ago. It's such a cool bike! I love it, and can't wait to go cruising the beaches in Santa Monica :) Anyway, I do have a question about it. It has a 3 speed Shimano Nexus hub on it, and it is the first time I've had a transmission by Shimano. Are you supposed to shift while pedaling, or should you stop pedaling to shift? Any other details/hints about this bike would be great as well, thanks!


   RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by ziggy on 7/20/2004 at 7:59:38 PM
You've don't know how to shift!? While riding when you are ready to shift, back pedal about a quarter of a turn. This engages the faster gear. >: )

   RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/21/2004 at 9:15:37 AM
Actually, I've found the new Nexus 3-speed hub to be quite the marvelous device. Being "Old School" (and no, I won't say HOW olde) all the older 3-speeds required that you "coast" whilst changing gears. On the new Nexus as my R.F. is equipped, it's not necessary to stop pedaling. However, force of habit..... I believe if you pore over the manual for the hub, they make reference to shifting in there somewhere.

And yes, given sufficient speed and braking force, you CAN lock up that huge tire in the back... though I don't recommend it. ;-)

Anyhow, enjoy the Rat Fink. Only thing I did to mine (aside from adding a couple of goodies) was to pull the handlebar back a bit. Easier on the arthritic shoulders.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by j on 7/27/2004 at 11:35:49 PM
whats the rat fink bike look like? I MUST SEE IT!!!! :)
I've never seen one, how old are they?

   RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by ziggy on 7/28/2004 at 1:14:44 AM
You've never seen one!? : 0 Well not too many people have either. Just to give you an idea, it is green, has a white seat, standard length apehangers, and a triple tree fork setup. Not a lot of rake though. Ask Larry Bone. He has one and knows all about it. >: )

   RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by J on 7/30/2004 at 6:33:18 AM
no.... I'm only 15, was it before my time???

   RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by ziggy on 7/30/2004 at 11:30:41 PM
The rat fink JUST came out a month ago. >: )

   RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by j on 7/31/2004 at 3:07:00 PM
ah....I haven't seen one at the bike stores, are they like a mail order???

   RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by ziggy on 7/31/2004 at 6:05:06 PM
Very few stores are carrying them. Go to www.google.com and select the images category. Type in "Electra rat fink bicycle" and you should see a picture of it. >: )

   RE:RE:LOWRIDERS:   Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/4/2004 at 12:44:23 AM
The Rat Fink, as far as I know, is only being made this year. Or so the dealer I procured it from told me. It is a "Tribure" to Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. You can check it out, as well as all the other pretty kewl bikes Electra makes, at:


An interesting note is that you CANNOT procure any bikes directly from Electra. Reason being is that Local Bike Shops have been seriously decimated the past couple of years. Hence, in order to try and not lose any more dealerships, Electra does not sell complete bicycles online. Though the do sell some accessories.

Additionally, their online "dealer locator" will help you find dealerships in the area. I called three dealerships before I found one that had the Fink in-stock. And had to drive 85 miles to get there. But, to me anyhow, it was worth it.

Once in a while a Rat Fink pops up on Ebay. Recently one just sold there for $510 plus S&H. I also saw one that was listed with a "buy it now" price of $1299!!!!! A little nuts considering the bike lists for $570. Don't expect to find them discounted either as they are in demand... AND due to the size of the thing, shipping to the dealerships is rather expensive.

If you want, you can check out the review of the bike at:


Hope that's informative.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:LOWRIDERS: Just bought an Electra Rat FInk and have a question posted by Kelly on 8/30/2004 at 1:28:57 AM
Help I am looking for some cool retro lookin lights for my rat fink... I heard there may be some that are new to fit this kind of fork Suggestions?

AGE / VALUE:   Hey Ziggy... You seen THIS yet? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/20/2004 at 1:17:58 AM
I thought it was pretty kewl... seems to be a complete setup and perhaps it might be an option for you, sir!

Oh.. .of course, not my auction, etc.



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hey Ziggy... You seen THIS yet? posted by ziggy on 7/21/2004 at 4:55:45 PM
Well, my answer is this. It is a pedal start motor. I wan't a full blown motor so I have a mini chopper. Thanks though. I am still looking for a used mini-bike to modify. >: )

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hey Ziggy... You seen THIS yet? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/22/2004 at 2:10:27 AM
No problem! If I recall correctly, the feller does have a "pull start" version as well.

OK, so not quite what yer lookin' for... still kind of a neat "kit" nonetheless.

Good luck on the "search".


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hey Ziggy... You seen THIS yet? posted by ziggy on 7/22/2004 at 8:22:12 PM
Thanks. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hey Ziggy... You seen THIS yet? posted by JimW. on 8/2/2004 at 3:50:28 AM
I've been doing some research on these little Chinese bike engines, in advance of the BR&K annual "MOTO" issue, which follows the upcoming issue. I'm in the middle of interviewing an expert on them for it. There's a lot of difference between all these seemingly identical-looking kits on eBay. Shop very carefully, and read a lot of listings.

A while back, Ziggy, I ran into another eBay dealer who was selling another Chinese engine which seemed perfect for use on a mini-chopper. It's a clone of a 90 CC Honda ATV engine from the '70s. It's a 4-stroke, with a 4-speed gearbox and an electric starter/generator. One of my Baton Rouge-area friends I'd told about it got one and had it set up in a test stand when I visited him recently. It was a good-looking engine and started and ran smooth as silk. He paid about $180 for it. When I was ready to buy one, the seller had already sold out of them. The next week, other eBayers were selling the ones they'd bought from him for twice that. I snoozed, I loozed. Haven't seen them since.

MISC:   deadlines posted by: metlhed on 7/16/2004 at 9:33:04 PM
Does anyone else besides me hate tight deadlines??? working on a bicycle till 6 am in the morning is not as fun as it used to be. the past week i have been working on a girls 16" chopper for my cousins daughter, and it is gonna be sick. i found out a week and a half ago i have to have it DONE and ready to ride by the 21st...and today when i went to get my paint, the paint store was closed (i'm using valspar pink with TONS of clear). i dont liek these tought deadlines...and parts. ordering parts form 3 different places stinks. i just had to rant about how i wish i had a couple more weeks to work on this bike.

   RE:MISC:   deadlines posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/21/2004 at 9:20:13 AM
Deadlines, being a fact of life, SUCK. Especially if they are "tight" as almost always, when working at top speed... something is bound to go amiss.

And of course, those awaiting the product(s) of your effort(s) generally have not a clue as to the amount of work that goes into any of it.

The ones that make me nuts are those that call and ask "how's it going" or some such nonsense. To which I usually reply "well, it's going fine except I continuously have to stop what I'm doing to answer the PHONE.

I don't mind deadlines for the most part provided it allows for sufficient time... but them "screaming rush", "on fire" jobs? KEEP 'EM!!!!!

Always remember... you never have time to do it RIGHT... but there's ALWAYS time to do it over... and over... and OVER...... :-\


Larry "Boneman" Bone

WANTED:    posted by: ziggy on 7/10/2004 at 8:16:09 PM
I'm looking for a used minibike in good, running condition. It must include the : frame, engine, gas tank, brakes, throttle, engine kill switch, frontend, handlebars + risers, and wheels. I don't need the knobby tires, seat, or muffler. MUST function properly. >: )

   RE:WANTED:    posted by michael on 7/13/2004 at 4:40:20 AM
how about a rupp for 75.00 let me know

   RE:RE:WANTED:    posted by ziggy on 7/14/2004 at 12:06:09 AM
Does it include everything I listed in the last message? And most importantly, does it run? If it does I may buy it. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:    posted by michael on 7/15/2004 at 2:22:04 AM
for 75.00 you sure are asking a lot besides i looked on ebay seen what they are selling for so i've decided to sell it there

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:    posted by ziggy on 7/18/2004 at 9:16:49 PM
Gee, you could of just answered the f***ing question instead of giving up on my concerns with what I'm buying and sell it on ebay and get ripped off. Ass. >: /

LOWRIDERS:   do springer forks come in different head-tube lengths? posted by: joshua on 7/7/2004 at 2:13:09 AM
hi all - looking for some group wisdom regarding springer forks and head tube lengths. just got a springer fork in the mail for a vintage ross frame and the threaded end of the fork doesn't stick up enough from the top of the head tube. any suggestions short of trimming the head tube?


   RE:LOWRIDERS:   do springer forks come in different head-tube lengths? posted by sam on 7/7/2004 at 7:18:34 PM
Joshua,yes springer forks do come in different head tube lengths.If yours is a lowrider/cruzer style,the best bet would be to change out the steertube.Al Petri & Sons list a 7&1/2" steer tube springer fork replacement part.email BicycleDon petribike@hotmail.com tell Don >sam> sent you!---sam