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MISC:   Finally! posted by: ziggy on 9/13/2004 at 12:21:56 AM
I have just begun laying paint on Lucifer. It is looking pretty good so far. Hopefully the pics of it I send will be in the next bikerodnkustom. I want everyone to see it as well as tell me what you think of it whether in your mind if it's good or bad. >: )

   RE:MISC:   Finally! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/13/2004 at 9:43:18 AM
Good man! Yes... best to wait for less humid conditions. ESPECIALLY if you're into the clearcoating stage. High humidity can cause paint to "blush" and that.... would just plain $uck!

Look forward to seeing the finished machine!



   RE:RE:MISC:   Finally! posted by ziggy on 9/13/2004 at 8:39:24 PM
Well there seems to be a pretty good high pressure mass over my area. That means no humidity. Besides I won't be using clearcoat. Blushed paint won't be a problem. >: )

AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by: sam on 9/12/2004 at 5:53:36 PM
I don't know the seller or anything,but on ebay someone has rat fink seats and grips.They looked cool but I think they would have been better with the Pic. of the Rat on the seat instead of just the name.--sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by JimW. on 9/13/2004 at 5:19:07 AM
That's a surprise. Do they have a picture of the character anywhere on the bike? We had a photo of the bike in BRK a while back, and I don't remember noticing whether it was there or not. I just assumed it would be on there somewhere. Maybe if they don't use the character, they don't have to pay the Roth estate anything? The term "rat fink" was definitely in common use long before Roth created that character.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/13/2004 at 9:35:35 AM
The sellor of the seats and grips is in Scotia, NY as I recall. I've pondered procuring a seat and a set of grips to have in "pristine" condition should I ever choose to sell my R.F.

As to the "Rat" himself being on the bike, yes, there is a full color graphic of him on the chainguard... AND... he is also lazer etched into the chainwheel.

As to the term, yes, in use for a while. Additionally, I have in my possession an original 12" vinyl record of songs by Allen Sherman. Inclusive of "Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh"... and.... "R-A-T-T F-I-N-K" as well.



   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rat Fink posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/13/2004 at 9:41:21 AM
One more thing... if anyone is pondering procuring the grips, note that the R.F. is a 3-speed bicycle with a twist-grip shifter. Hence, the RH grip is considerably SHORTER than the left.



MISC:   testing posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc at OldRoads.com on 9/11/2004 at 1:35:45 PM
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   RE:RE:MISC:   testing posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc at OldRoads.com on 9/11/2004 at 1:37:58 PM
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CUSTOMS:   New Custom Forum... posted by: Widowmaker502 on 9/10/2004 at 9:06:44 PM
I have turned the now defunct motobikes forum into the Custom Bicycle Forum.

This forum is created to talk about all custom bikes including cruisers, choppers, limos, lowriders, muscle bikes and more. We hope that you stop over and sign up (its totally free) and join in on the discussions!



AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by: ziggy on 9/8/2004 at 10:35:57 PM
Well I found out the hard way that a multi speed spoke protector will not work on a single speed wheel. I tried to fit a Schwinn lookalike (original) spoke protector on a single speed coaster wheel. The inside diameter of the spoke protector is too small to fit on the little spacer between the coaster lever and the hub. Of course I almost really messed up the wheel via disassembly. Sure I could use the ol dremel tool with a grinder bit to open up the hole, but I would rather not modify an original piece. Bottom line, a spoke protector will not fit on a single speed wheel without modification. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by ziggy on 9/10/2004 at 7:55:16 PM
Well If it is an original condition part, I'm not going to modify it unless it was my last resort. Thankfully the wheel still functions correctly. On this wheel instead of rubber pads, there are two metal plates. (?) Just wanted to tell you guys. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by Mike on 9/12/2004 at 11:27:45 AM
More than one way to skin a cat, just take a grinder and
shave the sprocket until it narrow enough at base to make
room for the spoke protector. Mike

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by sam on 9/12/2004 at 5:53:08 PM
I agree that a spoke protector will not fit a coaster.The sprocket on a coaster is connected solid to a screw part.The screw makes the brack expand--bottom line is: this part moves unlike a free wheel which would hold the protector tite.Even if reemed out to fit the protector would be loose on a coaster---and loose an't good!A single speed freewheel hub might work O.K.,but then again you would need brakes---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/8/2004 at 11:42:11 PM
Hmmm... well, you gave it a shot man! And now you... as well of the rest of us, can benefit from the experience.

Bummer though... ya can never have enough CHROME on a chopper.

Thanks fer the update!



   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by JimW. on 9/9/2004 at 4:39:12 AM
I always wanted to stick one of those on there, too. For the same reason. Thanks for the finding, Ziggy. I think I'd just take the Dremel to it, though. It's not like bike parts are sacred relics, or anything, even Schwinn ones.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   It won't work posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/9/2004 at 1:12:05 PM
Good point Jim. But I can imagine Ziggy gettin' a bit frustrated with it and as I'm sure we all know, when frustrated, it's sometimes best to walk away and ponder fer a while.

Perhaps after such ponderance, Zig will re-visit the issue and make the installation. Perhaps not.

Another thought would be to get a newer "plastic" unit, file to fit then shoot it with silver, followed by a good heavy clearcoat prior to installation.

Just thoughts and meanderings. Been raining here like a bear for two days... gettin' a little stir-crazy. ;-)



CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by: JimW.. on 9/6/2004 at 1:44:57 AM
It's ready for visitors.

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/9/2004 at 1:26:15 PM
Yeah... Teutle... but they pronounce it "Tuttle". Go figure. Hey... I aint gonna argue with 'em about it! ;-)

Latest issue is great Jim. Nicely done! The forthcoming "motor bike" issue should be interesting. I'm presuming that it will be featuring motorized bicycles and not necessarily motorcycles.

There are some very interesting and pretty doggone nice packages available now for motorizing bicycles. Additionally, there seems to be a plethora of these "pocket bikes" popping up all over the place too.

What chagrins me to no end is to see wee kiddies flying around the neighborhood on them with seemingly reckless abandon. They are capable of serious speed!!!! And to ride such a "bike" without a helmet to me is inviting trouble. Heck... inviting potential disaster even...

As a motorcyclist, I am very much of a "safety mind". i.e., risk minimization. I have in the past taken Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, etc. And even after having been a rider for many years, still learned a LOT. Some of the skills have even probably saved my sad, sorry arse.

Perhaps the safety issues can be touched on in the forthcoming issue. You can walk into your local Auto Zone and buy these things pretty doggone cheap actually. The pocket bikes and the motorized scooters both. And I'm wondering if the low price leads parents, etc. to think of them as "harmless toys". NOT the case, I assure you.

I forget the exact percentage (but it's UP there)... but a goodly percantage of motorcyle fatalities occur a 35mph.

Anyhow... lemme get offa the soap box here.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/11/2004 at 1:53:35 AM
Teutel, Tuttle, whatever. Paul Sr. is still a jerk, unless that's just the scriptwriter's work. Like that show is "reality" anyway. If that show was bsed on reality, they'd have figured out how to schedule projects by this time.

Our motorbikes have pedals on them. Just like Harley and Davidson originally meant them to. As for safety, I doubt we'll get into that; We ain't Consumer Reports. And we really aren't concerned with pocket rockets, power scooters and all the rest of those yuppy puppy toys. Plenty of other media outlets, both print and web, cover that sort of stupid crap, as in Popular Mechanics' current issue. BR&K was created to cover what nobody else covers, and we're still at it. Where else are you going to find a serious interview with a guy who rides a rocket-propelled bicycle? I read that one again last night, and it was still really interesting.

BTW, Glen May, the subject of that interview, went on to be part of the team responsible for Burt Rutan's successful Spaceship 1 private spacecraft's propulsion system, based on the same concept as the one on the bike.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/11/2004 at 3:27:58 AM
Hmm... point well taken one he "safety reporting". Yuppy Puppy toys... Ya got me on that one. :-D Well said!

Was not Burt Rutan part of the team that flew 'round the world nonstop in that far-out canard aircraft? Gotta say.. .there aint too many "pioneers" in the aviation field these days... He sure is one of them!

As to OCC and "American Chopper"... two things drive TV. Money... and Ratings. I for one simply cannot abide "reality" TV. Reality is outside my front door... not on the idiot box. Gad... they were shooting this season's "Apprentice" at my place of employ. I hadda get out of my work area as I simply did not want to be... a mere "prop". I mean... I was told to sit at my workstation, not turn around and do NOT say ANYTHING!!!!



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/11/2004 at 5:36:24 AM
Yes, that's the same Burt Rutan. He's an amazing guy. He practically re-invented aviation technology with his composite aircraft construction techniques; which I use on my bikes BTW. He also re-introduced canards, those little forward wings on modern aircraft, which hadn't been used since the Wright Bros, practically. And he pretty much designs all his aircraft and spacecraft the same way guys like us design bicycles- by the seat of the pants. Sharp guy.

I'm the same way about "reality shows"; they make my skin crawl. A couple of my old friends have that Mythbusters show. Jamie and Adam are both really intelligent guys, and fairly normal for my circle of creative-type friends. When I finally got around to watching their show, I had to turn the TV off, I was so embarrassed for them. They had to act like a couple of loons. And of course there was the usual hyped-up suspense involved, too. At least they aren't required to have a blonde bimbo involved, like that show where they steal people's cars and kustomize them, and on Junkyard Wars.

Like we say on BR&K: we don't require a bimbo in a bikini to make bike photos sexy- bikes ARE sexy. Same goes for all those techno shows. Thats why we call specs "technorotica".

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/11/2004 at 1:16:32 PM
Oh my... yeah, everyone at work was raving about "Mythbusters" so I, like a fool, tune in.

They were "busting" the myth about micturating on the "third rail" of a railroad and getting electrocuted.

Sorry... but IMHO, absurdity, even when well practiced... is NOT an art.



   RE:CUSTOMS: New BikeRod&Kustom posted by Rif on 9/11/2004 at 5:29:51 PM
Excellent as always Jim. Lots of great bike features, event reports, and how to's.
I love your 'zine. As I've said a million times BR&K is directly responsible for the boom in Kustom bikes, and has alos taken the homebuilding aspect to a whole new level of craftsmanship.
On the subject of the do it yerself pages-
Have you considered running a "how-to" article on building a frame jig?
I'm working on one, with some helpful hints from fellow enthusiasts and internet pages. I just thought your readership might find it interesting and informative...

I hope the next issue's article on the China motor kits gives all the tech tricks to help cure all the 'out-of-the-box' failings of these kits.
Also as always I enjoy reading the editorial page (Mr. Cranky... )
Well, keep up the great work.


   RE:RE:CUSTOMS: New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/12/2004 at 2:01:58 AM
The interview does cover the engines with out-of-the box problems. The same basic engine design is made by different Chinese factories. The cheapest ones on eBay have some intrinsic flaws, which is why they're cheaper. There is a huge difference between the bad engines ("weak puppies") and the good ones, mostly due to superior quality control. I originally thought this influx of engines was going to be the start of a new golden age of cheap motorbiking. Unfortunately the good engine kits cost as much as most of the prior ones. As usual: TANSTAAFL.

   RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by AviationMetalSmith on 9/7/2004 at 2:43:47 PM
WOW! I never expected to see so much fiberglass.
I must concede that this issue's "Nose Job" feature article shows that I've been out-done. Putting a fiberglass nose on a bike is quite a complicated project as the photo's show. 2much has a nose based on a 1934 Ford.
People love this form of automotive art, as I learned when my Daughter put a '38 Chevy grill on her bike, and a few years later when DaimlerChrysler put the PT Cruiser on the market. Keep up the good work!

   RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by metlhed on 9/7/2004 at 8:47:04 PM
it looks better everytime jim! you thinkt the west coast choppers bike looked lame?? i think it was a lot better than the new stingray, at least they didnt just slap some stickers on it and say jesse helped design it. looks great, whens the next one gonna be up :)

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by JimW. on 9/8/2004 at 5:44:06 AM
Thanks guys, glad you liked it.

I'm not in the market for a kiddy bike, as I'm a grown man who almost broke his neck on a test run of a kiddy drag racing chopper bike a few months ago. And that was a 24" bike.

That said, I prefer the frame geometry of the Schwinn. I don't think Jesse had anything to do with the Huffy's basic design, any more than the Tuttle's had on the Schwinn's, or Barbie has on the bike with her name on it. But, whoever actually designed the Schwinn did a better job of it. My "lame" comment wasn't to do with the detailing, but was purely about the lines of the bike. I just think that if you take an extended-style fork and give it almost zero rake, it looks "orthopedic". And no, I didn't expect those bullets to be real, any more than I expected those rhinestones on Aaron B's Hello Kitty bike to be real diamonds, either. I'm just a wise-ass, looking for trouble and usually finding it.

BR&K comes out three times a year, and it's only been up two days. So don't expect a new issue anytime soon. But when the new issue does go up it'll be on the theme of motor bikes, with real motors.

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   New BikeRod&Kustom posted by ziggy on 9/8/2004 at 1:25:56 PM
Actually it is spelled "teutel". >: )

   Teutel and Texas posted by Natt David Batey on 2/27/2005 at 12:18:53 AM
Dear Jim, Just wondering if you ever lived in Texas (Denison/Sherman). If you are the one, you saved my son's life. He chopped his toe in a lawn mower and you rushed him to the hospital. My son Eric is now 47 years old and is 6'7" tall, a big guy. He is a financial advisor and doing great. Me, I worked for the railroad and now have a roofing company. I sure wish that was you. Any way, many thanks, we really enjoy your show. I have this old Honda I bought and will try to make it run (83' shadow 500).
Sincerely, Natt David Batey

AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production "chopper" posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/5/2004 at 1:54:43 PM
Whilst bumbling around the net... came across this and thought is womewhat interesting. Obviously produced to compete with the Schwinn "Stingray"....


I'm sure it's too small for adults...



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production posted by metlhed on 9/5/2004 at 4:43:51 PM
i dont like it at all, but i think if the little black rubber "shock" covers were actually on the fork legs instead of the headtube part of the fork, it would look more like a suspension fork. lol. thought i would point out that little detail.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production posted by ziggy on 9/5/2004 at 8:28:34 PM
I've seen that thing before. Way too small for adults, and could use some better thought out planning. >: )

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy production posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/5/2004 at 10:26:05 PM
Yeah... a minor detail... "window dressing" suspension. It's quite the rage, eh?

Another thing upon further perusal... It would appear there is no seat height adjustment at all. Don't even know if there's a seat tube in there.. but if there is, you would have to change out the rear seat support to gain any altitude.

I don't know how long that bike has been on the market, but it smacks of a rush job to get it out there.

Still... interesting.



MISC:   Jig question and ... posted by: Rif on 9/2/2004 at 2:28:27 AM
Hey All,
Over the weekend I scored a few things and had some fun.
On saturday I went out to a small town next to the small town I grew up in.
There is a rather eccentric fellow out there who recycles bikes of all sorts and types. Sometimes he wears a paper bag as a hat; I really admire people with unique qualities like this...!
I check in occasionally when I am out that way. This time before my car had stopped I knew that the ol' Western Flyer sitting there would be mine!
I knew it from the dropouts as I rolled past.
$20.00 later this 26" cantilever middleweight was loaded into my Plymouth Horizon (hatchback econo-box) and on it's way to the storage barn/shop at my folks place.
After driving my Dad's new tractor around a bit the time to go had come.
A good fiend of mine lives not too far from there so I stopped by his place to say hello.
He gave me a 12 ton hydraulic pipe and tubing bender (Harbor freight unit) with all the dies!
Tonight after work I made a trueing stand from an old fork, a piece of plate steel, some rectangle bar stock, and one of my old dial indicators.
Sorry for rambling on but I just had to express myself to anyone who might give a damn...
My big question is this:
Anybody ever made a frame jig? Got any "hip-tips" for me? My fiend Jacob and I are to begin experimenting with the hydraulic bender this coming weekend and hope to work up to building a frame (in the very near future) for his old 1960's 3H.P. Briggs & Stratton horizontal shaft engine. The other components will come from my pile of parts hondas (street and trail 90cc bikes) and my bicycle parts piles.
So, as you can see, I need to construct a frame jig...
Can any of ya' help me out here?
Thank you (very much!)in advance,

   RE:MISC:   Jig question and ... posted by ziggy on 9/2/2004 at 3:17:14 PM
First of all you're one lucky son of a bi*ch. A tubing bender that's actually built like a tank. In order to make a frame jig, first you must plan it out. (duh) A large piece of plate can be used as a base. Then weld a piece of tubing to the frontend. The base of the tube must be cut at the correct angle to determine the rake you want. The tube will slant towards the rear of the jig to hold the headtube at the correct rake. Also make sure it is the correct length so you can decide how high you want the headtube to be. Once this piece is done, mount the headtube on it. Every part of the frame works off of the neck. Once you have this done, you can basically plan out and mount plates and tubing where you wan't on the base to construct the rest of the jig. Be sure to use vise grips to hold the pieces in place. Remmember be extremely careful not to create excessive weld heat while making the jig. If the pieces of tubing on the jig distort even by a little bit, You have to start all over. It must be straight. Hope this helps you out. Good luck. >: )

   RE:MISC:   Jig question and ... posted by sam on 9/2/2004 at 11:44:33 PM
Rif,your going to have to do some on-line searches ---I've seen home built frame jigs but don't have the link.And look up bike tools suppliers too---I hit on one that showed close-up of their $10,000 gigs!There's a lot of info on the web on this---sam

   RE:RE:MISC: Jig question and ... posted by Rif on 9/3/2004 at 12:49:16 AM
Hey thanks a million guys!
This gives me a direction to go in.
I'll let y'all know how it goes as it progresses.
Again, my many thanks!!!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Jig question and ... posted by ziggy on 9/3/2004 at 1:48:35 AM
No problem dude. >: )

MISC:   coors bike posted by: ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 1:32:33 AM
Hey has anyone heard of the coors original chopper made by West Coast Choppers being given away in a contest? It's pretty cool looking. Five lucky dudes get to go to the WCC shop and meet Jesse James. Then there will be a "weld off" contest. The winner rides away on the new bike. I'm bummed. Only because you have to be at least 21 to enter. I am only 16. : ( If you want to enter, go to www.coorsoriginal.com and register to win. Of course I could lie about my age, but I think it is obvious that I am not 21. May the best welder win. >: )

   RE:MISC:   coors bike posted by metlhed on 9/1/2004 at 7:24:15 PM
i've heard of that too. i wish i was old enought o enter too....i'm not a very bad welder, but i'm only 16 too.

   RE:RE:MISC:   coors bike posted by ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 7:33:22 PM
I think of myself to be a pretty good welder, except I have a hard time TIG welding mild and stainless steel. But I can TIG weld alluminum easily. I am good at the other welding methods too. But then again, 16 is too young. Damn. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   coors bike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/3/2004 at 9:38:48 AM
Just a note to the younger fella... Do what you can to retain your passion for bicycles once you get your driver licenses. I know that sounds a bit odd... but a lot of us had forsaken our velocipedes once rolling on four wheels.

And in my case, after many years... once you re-ignite the bicycle passion... well, you become quite chagrined to find out that you've most certainly "lost your legs". And at 40+ years old it is a BUGGER gettin' 'em back!

As to the weld-off... Interesting concept. I was at the Chatterbox last night eyeballing an OCC Chopper that is being raffled off. I didn't buy a ticket and not to pick apart anyone work but myself and a buddy both made the same observation about this particular ride. i.e. "Why didn't they dress the welds on the frame?"



CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by: metlhed on 8/31/2004 at 7:51:42 PM
whew...what a busy summer it has been. since completeing the pink mini-chopper in my last post, i have started a new project, a lowered radio flyer wagon, and once i have finished this, i plan on building my own custom frame, with a custom triple tree fork. :) it pays to have access to a machine shop. i decided to run down to my basement and take some photos for all of you. this site cant be ALL talk. oh yeah, i also put a new 4 foot sissy bar on my red bike. there are captions to let you know whats what.


   RE:CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 7:41:31 PM
I don't know if that sissy bar is tall enough. That frame sketch looks cool. It looks a lot like that frames produced by Bourget's bike works. (a cool chopper company) It's a softail frame right? Good luck building it. When you finish it send some pics to Bourget's bike works. >: )

   RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by metlhed on 9/1/2004 at 9:29:32 PM
ha! the sissbar was as big as i could find....i want to get a six foot, but nobody makes a repro one. Yeah i've seen a few of bourgets bikes...i like them, but mine wont have that much tubing. i thouht about making it a softail, but that would require re-working the frame, so i made it a rubber mount, like a harley sportster.

   RE:RE:RE:CUSTOMS:   new custom frame posted by ziggy on 9/2/2004 at 2:07:36 AM
Rubber mount? For what? Are you putting a motor in it? Maybe you have designed an ingenious rubber shock absorbing system. Sounds cool. >: )

MISC:   project bikes posted by: ziggy on 8/30/2004 at 1:14:54 AM
Have you ever visioned a project bike with all kinds of stuff on it ( sissy bar, tank, etc ) ? Have you ever built the bike to where it is of a rideable state where all that's left is detail pieces? Have you ever felt like finishing the bike and making those detail pieces later? Well that's how I feel with my bike. I just wan't to get it done and do the details later. I wan't to have a painted bike that rides well and looks cool and have details added on later. Lucifer is 98% done. Paint is next. I wan't to send pictures of it to bikerodnkustom and send them more pictures with details later. Has anyone else been in this position? >: )

   RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/31/2004 at 1:08:56 AM
Ah yes... an all too familiar conundrum. It's so close to being finished you can TASTE it. Well... lemme tellya... I have a custom chopper downstairs that is waiting to be finished. I'll be honest... I didn't build it but procured it. The builder got it about as far as you've gotten Lucifer. And while in and of itself it is most assuredly a VERY cool ride... well, a few finishing touches would make it a most righteous ride.

I've had it for months. Ride it on occasion and keep saying to myself.. I gotta FINISH this doggone thing.

Yet... there it sits. Pining away for the final touches that will make it "pop". Yeah... maybe over the winter. Right. Maybe next week during vacation. Yeah... RIGHT. Maybe by the time I retire....

Basically, what I'm sayin' here is it's easy to blow off the final touches that will bring your initial vision to completion.

But hey... it's your bike. I know how ya feel and just bringin' to light the foibles of a 98% complete project.

I have a real problem with procrastination. I plan on dealing with it sometime next week too.




   RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by JimW. on 8/31/2004 at 8:41:12 AM
I'll tell you what I tell everyone else who sends in photos of bikes which aren't finished, Ziggy. "Finish it before you send us photos of it." Even if it's passable in the photos you send, don't assume that we'll go in and replace those photos with others when you finally get around to getting it the way you ultimately want it to look. It's a flaming pain to remove photos from BR&K's server, because it has to be done on-line, and if they're not removed, they just sit there and eat up valuable space. As a result of this, when someone sends in a replacement photo after we've already done that page, we tend to get a little testy; and don't be too surprised if you get back a nasty note telling you what you can do with your new photo. It's happened before, and recently. This usually happens to the poor devil who's unlucky enough to be the third guy in a week who's done that. The first guy gets the nice note, the second guy doesn't get any note. But that third guy...

We keep plenty busy working on new pages, so we're not inclined to waste time reworking old pages.

Another thing to consider about detailing is that it determines how much coverage the bike gets on its page. If a bike is fully-detailed we tend to use more views of it, if we have them. Keats Carleton sent in a big pile of photos of his latest bike which is absolutely crawling with incredibly cool detail. We ran a lot of his photos, because they were needed to fully appreciate the bike. Of course, they were also good photos, which makes a difference, too.

When we get in multiple views of a plain-Jane chopper with no detailing, we tend to only run one photo of it on the page, assuming that it's painted and the photo's decent, of course. If it's a bad photo, we don't run it at all.

I recommend that you also read our article on photographing your bike http://bikerodnkustom3.homestead.com/photo.html before shooting it. You wouldn't believe some of the horrible photos you don't see in BR&K, because we instantly trash them. It's not just for BR&K that you should shoot the best photos you can, either. After all, when you invest months of work into creating a bike, don't you deserve to have nice photos of it as a keepsake?

   RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by sam on 9/1/2004 at 2:29:58 AM
Ziggy,you hit the nail on the head with this post! We all been there,and it never get's any easer.I'm working on a bike that's killing me right now---every thime I feel I'm getting close to finish more things come along.And more always means $$$$.But I learned a long time ago to keep at the project---sometimes ya gotta make yourself do some---but a finished project or a half/A** project is the difference in being "The Man" or just a punk.Would Jessie James ride a half/A** bike?I say he's "The Man"-Ya know the answer!--sam

   RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by JimW. on 9/1/2004 at 3:44:11 AM
Last night, when I saw the thread beneath this one, I instantly thought of you, Sam. Looks like something you'd jump at.

Hell, even I started thinking about what I'd do with those 64-spoke 28" wheels. I think I'd build a matched pair of choppers with those on the rear, and a pair of 72-radial-spoke 24-inchers on the fromt. The ones on the rear would be re-spoked radially, to go along with the fronts. And of course, they'd maybe be detailed with the typical English roadster bits and pieces, including rod brakes. Sounds crazy, I realize; but that's because I am.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/1/2004 at 9:20:20 AM
Neat idea Jim. If I had the technology at hand to play around, I have an Abley roadster with 28" wheels and rod brakes downstairs. It's brand new and of Indian manufacture so I don't think it would break my heart to start "messin" with it.

What I find interesting is the radial spoke deal. The Rat Fink, and from what I can tell, the Stiletto both have radially spoked front wheels, but the rear wheels on both are traditionally laced. I would have to think that might have something to do with dynamic load being considerably different than the front.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by ziggy on 9/1/2004 at 7:37:49 PM
That does sound cool. But rod brakes must be run straight parallel with the frame correct? But it sounds cool. Jesse James is the man, and he wouldn't ride a half azz bike. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/3/2004 at 9:41:34 AM
Correct Ziggy. So the "British" flavoured chopper with rod brakes would have straight frame members. In order to be true to spirit, it must be a lugged frame as well. So, it could be a bit tricky... unless you actually got down and dirty and FABRICATED the lugs needed to achieve the desired frame geometry.

Quite the challenge!



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by JimW. on 9/3/2004 at 3:52:25 PM
The reason you don't see radial spoking on rear wheels very often, especially in larger diameters, is that they have more of a tendency to wind-up under hard accelleration or hard braking by coaster brake, at the hub. Being aware of it, and not subjecting them to that sort of force is the main consideration. The same would apply to those 26" low rider radial wheels, and you see plenty of those around on the rear.

The new BikeRod&Kustom is almost ready to go. It should be up by the end of this weekend.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/4/2004 at 1:07:32 AM
Pretty much what my thoughts were about the radial rear wheels. Particularly with coaster or disc brakes I'm sure.

Not that others couldn't... but I don't think I could generate enough torque to "wind 'em up" on takeoff.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by ziggy on 9/4/2004 at 4:30:33 PM
Well even if you radial laced a wheel depending upon the size, then you would have to be more careful anyway. No criss-crossing makes for a considerably weaker wheel. Just a thought >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Kurt on 9/5/2004 at 1:48:39 PM
I am not sure if doing the rear rim in cross-0 (radial) is a good idea. Even with 64 spokes, it's not impossible for it to loosen up on your first run. This can become quite alarming to the unsuspecting while driving, if not downright dangerous.

I learned it the hard way myself when I did a 20" rim with 28 spokes in cross-0. (Big no-no!) When I hit that coaster for the first time, the whole rim sounded like a box full of screws being thrashed around. Got off the bike, and tested the brake - the rim would stop rotating about a half inch after the coaster had locked up.

I wouldn't try radial spoking for anything under 72 spokes, and I'd probably put a cross-0 72 in the front only.

Call me a worrywart, but that first experience was enough for me!

P.S.: I have a 16" Huffy with cross-0 on both back and front. It has 20 spokes, back and front.

The only reason I keep that 16" thing around is because of a nutty friend I have in Long Island who builds LOWriders...I'm waiting for the day he wants a new Sturmey AW laced into a 16 (or god forbid, 12") inch wheel.

P.S. #2: Yes, Sturmey now makes the AW in 20 spoke.

Take care,


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   project bikes posted by Kurt on 9/5/2004 at 1:49:57 PM
Correction: Sturmey now builds the AW in 20 HOLE configuration.

FOR SALE:   64 Spoke 28" Wheels posted by: Tom on 8/29/2004 at 10:16:58 PM
I have a pair of 28 x 1 1/2" 64 spoke, yes 64 spoke wheels on ebay. They are new as I found them. They would be great on a stretched chopper. Nothing rides smoother than 28" wheels. These take British size tires, availabe here on this site. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2266519458

   RE:FOR SALE:   64 Spoke 28 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/31/2004 at 12:51:11 AM
SIXTY FOUR (64) SPOKES?!?!?!?!? UNHEARD of on a 28" wheel. Well... at least I've never heard of it. Those are something, that's for sure. You may want to post the info to the English Roadster discussion board here as well.

64 spokes... now that's somethin'! Enjoyed havin' a gander... for the life of me, I wouldn't know what I would do with 'em though. :-\



MISC:   I saw one! posted by: ziggy on 8/27/2004 at 8:26:17 PM
I was frustrated. I was walking through walmart looking for spray paint. I happened to venture into the "bike" section. I saw one! I saw one of those stupid schwinn things hanging 40 feet in the air on a hook in the ceiling. I immediatley stopped and realized I was powerless due to it being so high up. If it was on the ground I would of smashed it in the store and paid for it. Yes I would pay to smash it. Damn things. >: )

   RE:MISC:   I saw one! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/27/2004 at 11:17:30 PM
LOL. Too much man. Heck, I'd be tempted to buy one just to watch you have yer "fun" with it. Provided of course, I could video the entire thing.

Though I think perhaps the rear tire / wheel should be spared...



   RE:RE:MISC:   I saw one! posted by ziggy on 8/28/2004 at 1:07:21 AM

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   I saw one! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/29/2004 at 2:11:16 AM
Well... I finally saw one... actually, the Wally World in Matamoras, PA had TWO of the "Wee" ones with the outrigger training wheels. One in red, presumably a boys model... and one in.. well.. like a light chartreuse. Prusumably fer the wee lassies.

There were... "cute" if nothing else. And actually, with them wide-span outrigger training wheels, I would bet far less likely to overturn that standard wee bikes with regular training wheel setups. Hence, quite possibly safer.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   I saw one! posted by ziggy on 8/29/2004 at 3:32:51 PM
Yeah I was in my walmart again yesterday and I saw five of the big ones hanging from the ceiling. Then there were two small red and two small pink ones hanging from the ceiling. : 0 Then there was one on the ground!!! I didn't expect to come across one on the ground. My hands came close to it, thoughts of smashing it in my head, but I stopped. I didn't have the money to pay for it. Oh well. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   I saw one! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/29/2004 at 4:59:35 PM
Excellent... you see, discretion IS the better part of valor!

Then again...

"Lead us not into temptation, for we can find it ourselves." - Oscar Wilde.

Interesting that they are at least showing up at retail SOMEWHERE. Perhaps soon, we can do an Ebay search on Chopper Bicycle stuff without having a plethora of "rare" OCC Stingrays to sift through.



MISC:   a little quiz posted by: ziggy on 8/23/2004 at 5:10:38 PM
Ok. If anyone knew who Eddie roth was, then they would know the answer to this question. ( I know the answer, so I reserve the right to tell the world that your answer is incorrect if I have to. ; ) "What was Eddie roth known for doing, and what was he known as?"

   RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/23/2004 at 11:19:50 PM
Ed "Big Daddy" Roth is considered by many to have been the Father of Kustom Kulture in the late 50's / early 60's. His works would include such awesome machines as the Beatnik Bandit, I believe the Monkee Mobile, etc. Additionally, his "Rat Fink" charicature was immensely popular with kids and adults alike. Usually perched in an absurdly small vehicle with exagerrated steering wheel and shifter.

I remember building the models as a kid...

No... I didn't research it... just what I can remember with what's left of my brain.

So, what do I win? ;-)



   RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/23/2004 at 11:35:18 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! You are correct larry! I'm not surprised you would be the first to answer. ; ) But yes He was known as the greatest car customizer in the world as far as I know. I remember seeing those pictures of the rat in a tiny car with a huge blown engine, giant steering wheels and shifters too. Mostly in hot rod magazines. Sorry no prize, but you are right. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/24/2004 at 1:12:35 AM
Well... I did run the risk of alluding to my age with the answer. Actually, the Silhoutte I believe was his design as well.

The Silhoutte and the Beatnik Bandit were among the original 12 Mattel Hot Wheels back in 1968. I still have a few of them.

Try an Ebay search on non-bicycle Rat Fink stuff. Man.. .talk about a blast from the past. I gotta get me one of them antenna toppers and SOON!



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/24/2004 at 2:12:03 PM
Well I bet living life in those days was cool. Choppers were the coolest and cars had the biggest, most powerful engines. Real cars. Real choppers. My favorite car from that era is a 1968 dodge charger with the original 426 HEMI. Man those cars are cool. 1968 was also the year that Easy Rider came out right? And gas was actually under a dollar a gallon. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/24/2004 at 2:14:13 PM
Well I bet living life in those days was cool. Choppers were the coolest and cars had the biggest, most powerful engines. Real cars. Real choppers. My favorite car from that era is a 1968 dodge charger with the original 426 HEMI. Man those cars are cool. 1968 was also the year that Easy Rider came out right? And gas was actually under a dollar a gallon. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: a little quiz posted by Rif on 8/24/2004 at 11:35:52 PM
M7y Fave of that era were the '66 Dodge Charger 383 commando("Leader of the new Doge Rebellion" with Pam Austin as the spokesmodel) and the 273 commando Barracuda...

   RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by sam on 8/25/2004 at 1:29:59 AM
Chevy really ruled the streets --396 turned 409.More people had 327s than the supper hot motors.Ford's 352 and 390s were good saturday night rides too.We use to put the speakers in the heater vents so the music would play out the vent in front of the windsheld--nice big hoods to lay on with your girl.Gas was under 20cents!Hemis were what ya dreamed of in english class---sam

   RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/25/2004 at 1:37:10 AM
Ford was ok with its 429 mustang and it's boss 302, but hemis ruled. Dodge and all the way baby. Another favorite of mine is the 1971 roadrunner superbird. That orange paint and huge wing was the coolest. Those cars ruled because you had a real standard in them. And you didn't even have to give it any gas when you let off the clutch due to the massive rat engines unless you wanted to really fly down the road. Wait a minute, this is a bike discussion site! Oh well, cars goota be thrown into the mix one way or another. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/25/2004 at 9:36:19 AM
Well... a lot of bicycles came out that were reflective of the car culture of the day. 'Twas when the "Musclebike" was born after all! So in a way, while a bit off topic, not as much as one would think. Big, bad and powerful was the rule of the day. One of my personal favourites would have been the Formula "S" Barracuda. Yer basic A body with a 383 four barrel. Known for it's tremendous acceleration... and UNDERSTEER.

That and anything with a 413 tunnel ram would do as well. Funny though... imagine all that power going through the curves... on BIAS PLY tires. The advent of the "wide oval" radial tire was a SIGNIFICANT advance not only in handling, but reliability and safety as well.

Technology is giving us some pretty amazing stuff these days... .Fuel injection, turbocharging, supercharging, etc. and while amazing as all that is, there's still no "replacement for displacement" as far as bottem end neck snapping attributes.

Can you imagine the output of a 426 Hemi or 428 Police Interceptor with modern aspiration????? :-0 I would love to get my tuchus into the driver seat of a V-10 Viper someday....

As to Chevy ruling... well, they've been the largest for a long time and having built so many cars, the aftermarket of course made many things for them. Case in point, it's easy and inexpensive to get such things as intakes, headers, etc. for a small block. Yes, you can get that stuff for Mopar and Ford, but the plethora of small block chevy engines? Well... the higher the demand for something, the easier to mass produce and keep costs down. Yeah, you can get all the "goodies" for Fords and Mopars and such, but you will pay significantly more for it all.

Still... That was in a way, a "Golden Age" of "Happy Motoring".



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/25/2004 at 4:22:32 PM
Well be careful entering and exiting the viper. Is a very low car and I hit my head on the roof getting in and out when I got to sit in one. Let me tell you, all alluminum engine, fiberglass panels and 19" disc brakes will set you back 75,000$. That's not bad considering that the new porsche carrera GT goes for 440,000$. : 0 I heard some pretty dissapointing reviews about that car. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/25/2004 at 11:10:48 PM
Oh heck.. I was gonna pick one up used and on the cheap. Like maybe for a paltry $50K?

Are they roomy? After all... I would probably end up LIVING in it.... ;-)



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/26/2004 at 1:04:31 AM
Well, a bit more interior space than an ultra exotic sportscar, or a clown car for that matter. But not enough room to sleep in it. ; ) 50k would be a great deal on one. If you find one, go for it. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/26/2004 at 1:48:30 AM
Actually... I think I will hold out for a '57 Chrysler Dual Ghia. Though with only 117 of them ever having been made (including prototypes), I doubt I will ever SEE one never mind own one.

Hmmm... I wonder whatever became of Dean Martin's?



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/26/2004 at 4:05:20 PM
What did happen to Dean Martin's? Not like he doesn't have enough cars already. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/27/2004 at 1:04:41 AM
Well, not that Deano has much use for it... I was speaking with a very authoritative automotive "enthusiast" that I work with and he tells me that Dean's Dual Ghia is sold at auction about once every three to five years.

I really don't know how many cars Dean Martin owned when he was still living. I would have to imagine though, with the money he amassed over his career... as many as he wanted! ;-)



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by ziggy on 8/27/2004 at 5:22:01 PM
No doubt about that! Plenty of $$$ to go around. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   a little quiz posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/29/2004 at 11:33:35 AM
Yeah... just like "Cubic Inches", it's hard to beat "Cubic DOLLARS", eh?



MISC:   new bikes posted by: ziggy on 8/22/2004 at 3:26:28 PM
You will never guess what I saw at my local bikeshop freemans bridge sports. They had a rat fink on display in the front window. But it didn't have apehangers, it had weird drag bars. !: 0 I also saw two new nirve bikes. A blue switchblade, and a silver cannibal. I sat on the cannibal to see how it felt. The seat was comfy, but it had springs. The reach to the handlebars was an uncomfortable short reach. The pedals could have been placed a little farther forward for my taste. And it could of used a short rear fender. I don't understand why both tires are 3'' wide. I think the rear should be 3'' and the front should be 1.75 or 2''. >: )

   RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/23/2004 at 9:43:35 AM
Drag bars on a Fink? That's odd... And it was a "for sale" bike even? Or perhaps a customers requested modification? I know as assembled, the apehangers were way too forward on mine and I hadda pull 'em back a bit. In spite of the best efforts of my three dogs, my arms weren't quite long enough to reach 'em.

As to the other two, that's kinda interesting. Perhaps they are shorter overall then I expected. Are the front and read tyres the same diameter? Dunno... as I recall, the front was a 26" and the rear a 24".

Well, we shall see. Hopefully, I will be receiving news as to the arrival of my Stiletto this week or next.

Kewl though that these are finally showing up at retail. There are currently to Finks listed on Ebay as well. So finally stuff is showing up. Albeit a bit late in the season.

Thanks for the "report".



   RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by ziggy on 8/23/2004 at 5:03:35 PM
Well I knew that you would enjoy this report. Yes the bars on the fink were drag bars. The tires on the nirves looked like they were the same size, but kind of heavy considering that the tires were three inches wide. How tall are you larry? It may be a matter of height if comfortable handlebar reach on these bikes is a problem. Personally if I bought a rat fink with the bars foward, I would drop the seat and leave them the way they are. I like to have some strecth when I ride. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/23/2004 at 11:24:48 PM
Ah, yes. Well, I'm about 5'-10" actually. And while having the bars on the Fink forward did not put them out of reach, the position absolutely wreaked havoc with my arthritic shoulders.

As to positioning the seat, I put mine up just a wee bit to ensure I got full extension on the legs. Much better for the arthritic knees.

No, I aint an olde cripple... yet... I was symptomatic with the arthritis at 35 and officially diagnosed with it at 38. Actually, best thing for the knees is bicycleing. Good excersize and the knee joints don't get pounded like when ya run and such.

Yeah, thanks for the report. Good info to have. Will post similar when I get my grubby little non-arthritic hands on the Stiletto. ;-)



   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by ziggy on 8/23/2004 at 11:42:25 PM
Your 5'-10" too!? Well if the bars were where you are describing them, then I still probably would of left them. Yes I enjoy bicycling a lot more than running. Easier on the legs as you mentioned. (I hate running) I don't have arthritis (yet) But I will enjoy myself for the time being before I do get arthritis. So you are getting a stilletto eh? Be sure to provide a full report after your first ride. I'm anxious to see how well the jackshaft setup works. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/24/2004 at 9:25:11 AM
Well, the early-onset of the arthritis is obviously an hereditary thing. Running puts a hell of a pounding an a lot of joints in the body and in my condition should be minimized. For others not so afflicted, it's a different story.

The Stiletto is gonna be an interesting first ride for sure. The jackshaft is intriguing to say the least. I've had the Rat Fink up to 31mph on some of the downhills here and that was rolling along. VERY solid at that speed but with only three gears on the flats I can hold it at 15mph without too much difficulty.

I'm expecting a bit more top end outta the Stiletto. :-0 and a bit more speed overall. From the looks of the casette 1st gear almost appears to be a bit of a granny gear wich will be MOST welcome on some of the uphills here.

And yes, a "ride report" and overall review will most certainly be forthcomin. I do expect to have to floss the bugs outta my teeth first though. ;-)



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by ziggy on 8/24/2004 at 2:18:12 PM
I bet if that jackshaft is removable, you could swap out the gear on the shaft for a smaller gear for a differant gear ratio to get more speed! !: 0

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/25/2004 at 11:08:37 PM
Precisely my thinking. Interchangeable sprockets could make for excellent fine-tuning of the ratios for different conditions. Being a "Chopper" with a triple tree fork arrangement, I've already got my eyes on a small motorcycle "tool bag" that affixes to the forks. A couple of basic tools in there and some extra sprockets with different number of teeth... yer ready to rock AND roll!

heh heh heh...



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by ziggy on 8/26/2004 at 1:05:49 AM
Don't forget a test ride report! Have fun. >: )

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   new bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/27/2004 at 1:06:41 AM
You bet. I will post a "product review" as soon as I can. Of course... the doggone thing has to GET here first. Well, can't rush this sort of thing I guess.... I just hope it gets here before my vacation in a week or so.