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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Motobecane Mirage posted by: Vincent Lomax on 2/28/2000 at 10:47:20 AM
I own a 28 year old Motobecane Mirage 27" 1020 tubing with Sun Tour power shift in excellent condition. What can I get for it? Brand new these go for $900+. Maybe it's not vintage, but it must be worth something to someone. After all it's an antique.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Motobecane Mirage posted by Bob Hufford on 2/28/2000 at 2:45:24 PM
The Motobecanes of old and the new company with the same name are totally different critters. The Mirage was a low-end offering back in the '70s and will probably not fetch more than $50 at this point in time. Sorry to say ...

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Motobecane Mirage posted by ed santos on 5/25/2000 at 9:02:39 PM
My brother got one in 1971. It was a d\fast bike because of the tight geometry. We paid 199.00 for it new. Nothing special.

AGE / VALUE:   LeTour rack posted by: Art on 2/28/2000 at 7:20:57 AM
I'm looking for a front rack for a Schwinn LeTour. It bolts directly to the sides at the top of the fork. Any help would be appreciated.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Plea for Schwinn Dealer Specifications posted by: Bob Hufford on 2/24/2000 at 2:53:47 PM
Who out there has the Schwinn Dealer Specification Books (or whatever they're called -- the ones that list the bikes with the parts used -- as seen in the Collectible Schwinn Sting-Rays and Collectible Schwinn Middleweights books put out by Gordon/Hurd) and the dealer price lists per year? I'm trying to gather together the specs on the Schwinn drop-bar lightweights from 1960 - 1980. I'd be happy with a subset for just Super Sports from the years '64 - '73 for a start.

I know each of these years is probably represented by you literature collectors out there (as a whole). Gordon/Hurd will, in all likelyhood, not be publishing a book for us admirers of the Varsity, Continental, Super Continental, Sierra, Sprint, Superior, Super Sport, Sport Tourer, LeTour, Super LeTour, Volare, Voyageur, and Paramount (and what ever other models I've left out) While were at it we could possibly toss in the Breezes and Suburbans.

With Schwinn's permission and the resources of those of you with the books, we could put a Collectible Schwinn Lightweight reference book together for very little cost.

I've checked with Schwinn and they don't have this information.

Help out the hobby! Share the wealth!

Bob Hufford

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Plea for Schwinn Dealer Specifications posted by John on 3/15/2000 at 5:50:11 PM
Bob, I have a 1976 Paramount catalogue that has photos and detailed specs on all Paramounts and also the Superior and SuperSport models. Would copies of this help out?

AGE / VALUE: Terrot Dijon (Redux) posted by: Mark Hineline on 2/23/2000 at 7:06:53 AM
I'm still trying to learn something about this bicycle. More details: The frame has a sticker on the seat tube that says "Inoxydable," which I take it means stainless steel. On the down tube is a decal that says "Terrot" in a recumbant diamond. Badge on head tube says "Terrot" and "Dijon." Also, on the seat tube, is a decalled crest that matches the badge. Above that, in a chevron, is a decal that says "Tube Special Allege Peugeot." And finally, where the down tube meets the head tube, a lion crest decal and the words "Made in France." The rims still have stickers on them that say "Chrolux" and "Rigida." The spokes were painted yellow to match what look like Nervex lugs. I can't say much about the Herot components, except that they seem to be rather low end (relative to the appearance of the frame). Cranks are cottered. Frame is in royal blue paint, with 8" of chrome at the ends of the fork, seat and chain stays. I know that Terrot Dijon was a brand of motorbike, and of bicycles in the more distant past. Does anyone know anything about this bicycle?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27" Schwinn tires posted by: Martin on 2/22/2000 at 7:02:59 PM
* I,ve just bought a '79 Schwinn Varsity...hey, hey, stop laughing! It's true, it's barely vintage (but it's a sixties design), and it sure ain't lightweight, but nevertheless it is beautiful, very green, in great shape and all original except for the tires. There-in lies my problem. According to info I read somewhere on one of these pages, though Schwinn had some odd rim sizes the 27" ones should be standard. It had recent Specialized and Kenda 27 X 1 1/4 tires on it both with major flat spots where the bead was slipping into the centre channel. I've now tried a different Specialized as well as a Continental ("mount only on hook type rims") with the same results. All these tires are euro size 32-630. Tried massaging, under and over-inflating, soapy water, kind words, swear words...no luck. Called my local bike stores (the few guys that have been around for a while) and got an equal number of different answers-no disrespect intended. The one suggestion I haven't been able to test is that my rims were made on a Monday. I've also scanned this site as well as the archives. I would prefer to not have to replace the rims, steel shines so beautifully you know, and I really don't want to spend much money on this one either, though new tires that fit would be nice. I don't want to inhibit creativity and again, no disrespect intended, but I have lots of wild guesses. Does anyone Know The Answer?
* Thanks for your time, I appreciate this resource,
* Martin

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Kmedia on 2/23/2000 at 6:01:49 AM
When it comes to putting tires on a Schwinn, I've found that in most cases I need to use a Schwinn-branded tire. I guess that's is there way of working a vertical market.

One excepetion is when I've found off-brand tires which have something stamped on them like: "26 x 1 3/4...fits Schwinn S-7 rim".

I'm not sure how this applies to your 27" wheels, but maybe you should call a Schwinn shop.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Morgan on 2/24/2000 at 9:52:09 AM
The Schwinn 27" rim is standard size, but the shape of the inside rim makes it fairly easy for the tire to slip too far into the rim. Back in the 80s, we used a tool from Park to pull the tire into proper position on the rim. Use the raised ridge that runs around the circumference of the tire as a guide line, and pull the section that's "dived" in out, using a pair of channellock or slip-joint pliers. Park or Bicycle Research used to make a tool for the purpose, but I haven't seen it available lately.
My experience was that cheaper tires were far more prone to "diving" than better-grade tires.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Martin on 2/24/2000 at 10:26:57 PM
* O.K., problem solved! Thanks for your time and suggestions. Here's what happened: First of all, I had tried a similar tactic to the one you've suggested Morgan, but not having that tool around I risked using a tire lever to pry the bead out of the channel. At first I thought it had worked until I realized a new low spot had simply developed on the other side of the tire. I spent, I'm embarrased to say, about three hours messing around with this whole dilemma. Only one store suggested that _they_ might actually be able to solve the problem. I spoke to one of the sons who said confidently "We have some tricks, just bring it in." The store was bought 54 years ago by the current owner, Lorne "Ace" Atkinson, who still works there. It's on the other side of the city from me so I haven't visited it much but it seemed I had a challenger. I rode the bike out there as it was, whumpa, whumpa, and cornered Dan, whom I had spoken to on the phone. He was about to go on lunch but I guess he figured he'd just solve this little problem first. He started looking at it on the showroom floor but after about 15 minutes said we'd better take it into the back and put it on a stand. After another 1/2 hour or so he announced I had a "real tricky problem here". I suggested that since he really needed lunch, perhaps I could try again myself with a new tire. He pulled down a cheap Kenda, this had printed on it "Fits Schwinn S-6", Great!, I thought, problem solved. I set to work with renewed enthusiasm. I should say that Dan had tried everything I had (and I appreciate his effort) but now that I had a proper tire I expected it to slip on easily and didn't bother with soap. I pumped it up and it was immediately obvious how naive I was; my heart sank. Just then Ace walked in from the back from where he had been installing a new doorbell and asked me how it was going. He had already heard that I was there to simply fit a tire and had left it to someone else. I gave him a brief rundown. He felt the over-inflating method was a good idea; I told him I'd already blown the tire right off the rim about 5 times; he said let's just see how it looks. He stopped pumping at just shy of 100lbs, there as usual, was the flat spot; I kept my mouth shut. O.K. he said, unperturbed, let's let the air out, but be careful not to move the tire. Ace asked me if I had put any soap on this tire...No...Good. He then grabbed the cup of soap and water and brushed some in _only_ where the flat spot was; and started pumping...Up to almost 100lbs again (this is a tire rated for 90 - high for a Kenda I thought). At this point I was almost satisfied to think that no one would be able to fix this silly glitch, for, sure enough, same old thing. Then, as we watched, without touching it and within 30 seconds the tire bead slowly rose up onto the shoulder and stayed there. Sure, I thought smugly, but the left side will be even worse, I had already seen this before. He turned the wheel around to see for himself just as that side too, popped into place. "There you go" he said, "once that's been on a while you won't have that problem again." Ace's elapsed time? About 5 minutes. I think he probably could make any of the tires I tried, fit, but at that point I figured I had better just buy that one as well. He offered to split the labour charge with me because I had done some of the work but I refused his offer and said I would pay the full $5.00, afterall, I had learned something. Perhaps I'm a bit of a romantic, but I was also reminded, once again, of the value of age and experience, not to mention commitment to service. By the way, not as a plug, but just credit where credit is due, the shop is Ace Cycles, Vancouver, B.C. Thanks, Martin

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Jeff on 2/25/2000 at 5:55:02 AM
Excellent story, Martin.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Wings on 2/25/2000 at 11:37:23 PM
What great reading!!!!
I have been through the same thing!
The guy in a bike shop I talked to picked up a can of spray wax (used to polish the frames) and he sprayed the entire rim. The Kenda 90psi tire went on. Yes it popped after it hit the 100 mark and I have been using the same technique ever since. It makes it so much easier just to get the tire on with hands only. I have never seen slipping.

I have spent time at the UBC and have a great desire to see Granville Island again!!!!! Great place!!!! Good biking from UBC to Granville Island!
Thanks for sharing your frustration!!!!!!!!!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Fred on 2/26/2000 at 6:14:19 PM
I too have had some experience with Schwinn rims & tires. A neighbor had a 10 speed, I don't remember the model, that needed tires. I advised him to buy Schwinn tires and I would mount them for him. He did and I mounted the tires and inflated them with a 12 volt inflator as per the sidewall information when; Kapow!!!, the tube blew right out of the tire. This scared the neighbors who all came running. I tried again and this time I used my hand pump. What I found was that the Schwinn tires were quite loose on the rims. I carefully inflated them and made sure that the tire bead stayed in the rim all around. I have fit many a Schwinn tire since and always take care not to frighten the neighbors again.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   27 posted by Oscar on 2/26/2000 at 9:22:03 PM
or we'll be seeing you on "Cops".

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:  tire size clarification posted by Morgan Groves on 3/2/2000 at 1:47:50 PM
Remember, Schwinn did NOT use a proprietary rim for 27" wheels--only for 26" and smaller! There's nothing to be gained by looking for a Schwinn-branded 27" tire for your bike. A steel rim won't hold as much pressure as an aluminum rim, and cheaper tires tend to be built to sloppy tolerances.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Catalogs 1936 & 1940 posted by: Chuck Schmidt on 2/19/2000 at 9:31:22 PM
Professionally produced photocopies of the Raleigh catalogs from 1936 and 1940 that show rod brake and Sturmey/Archer equiped bicycles among others. E-mail for details. Chuck Schmidt

FOR SALE:   1948 Whizzer posted by: Fred on 2/19/2000 at 7:37:28 AM
1948 Whizzer with WZ frame, restored to new condition, fully accessorized with luggage rack, 43 miles since restoration, $4250 or best offer, if interested I can send pictures.

AGE / VALUE:   E-Bay posted by: Robertti on 2/18/2000 at 7:18:13 PM
Can we ban the phrase "E-Bay" from these pages? I'm tired of folks trying to rip off the uninformed that happen upon a regina chain, NOS!, and pay $40 not knowing it's available for $8 at five other web-sites... Oh well, just blowing off steam.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   E-Bay posted by Christopher on 2/24/2000 at 8:31:16 AM
It has had an effect on the hobby hasn't it?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine posted by: Oscar on 2/18/2000 at 5:22:58 PM
An ode to the common man's components.

Sunshine is the unsung hero of vintage lightweight bikes. A lot of 70's and 80's lightweights sported Sunshine hubs, and many more had their quick release skewers. No, they weren't Campy, or Suntour, or certainly not Shimano. They made their mark in numbers, and their chrome holds the rust out.

AGE / VALUE:   Frejus Frame posted by: Jake on 2/15/2000 at 4:20:03 PM
Purchased a Frejus frame - looks to be early 1970's vintage in that wonderful/awful green colour. Decal on seat tube says Tour de France. Is that the model? No tubing mfg. sticker. Has Campy fork ends, an interesting seat-post clamp at the inside junction of the seat and top tubes, a fitting at the top/back of the seat tube for center-pull brake hanger, otherwise no braze-ons.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Frejus Frame posted by Aldo Ross on 3/8/2000 at 1:31:15 PM
"Tour de France" is a model. Since the binder bolt is in front/below the seat lug, then it was built after Legnano bought Frejus. There was mixing of the seatlug styles, with both this Legnano type and the tradidional Frejus lug. That makes it a mid 1970s(?).

AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane/Super Mirage posted by: B. Goosman on 2/15/2000 at 11:20:27 AM
I recently picked up a Motobecane Super Mirage 10 speed at a local bargain barn here in town for $18. I think it's about a '77 model. (I found those numbers stamped in the rear hub. It has all Suntour components and randneuer (sp) handlebars. From the look of it it just needs some TLC (tires, cables & handlebar tape) to be as good as new. I plan on riding it. It has a larger frame than the C. Itoh I restored last year, and fits me better. Any ideas on the value of this bike? Thanks!

B. Goosman

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane/Super Mirage posted by B. Goosman on 2/17/2000 at 7:09:45 PM
So, what is the deal here? This bike not "vintage" enough to invoke any response? Just asking for a little help here!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane/Super Mirage posted by Robertti on 2/18/2000 at 7:17:15 PM
I think you've answered your own question... Just a regular bike, sorry.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane/Super Mirage posted by Tom Renda on 4/17/2000 at 2:01:16 PM
Is this the model with double butted frame tubing? If so, it ought to have some collector value once restored.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campagnolo Brake Center Bolts posted by: Bruce VR on 2/14/2000 at 10:22:03 PM
Two Questions for the 60's/70's Campy fans... When did they STOP putting the "Brev. Camp." on the "center bolt" (#2012 or 2012/1)??? Ya know, the bolt that attaches the caliper to the frame? I've seen most blank but some marked brev. camp...

Second Q: When did the little brake cam change from "Campagnolo" to just "Brev. Camp," (part # 2005)???

Thanks if anyone can help. Oh, Please write in to Cycles de Oro's Classic Rendezvous and tell them Al Eisentraut belongs on the list of "current builders listing," not just the "American master's of the past." He's still doing "it!"

Have a good one!

AGE / VALUE:   His & Hers Suburbans new e-mail address posted by: Gab on 2/14/2000 at 11:13:37 AM
Sorry, my e-mail address was incomplete. Please send replies to jjs082451@aol.com.

AGE / VALUE:   His and Hers Schwinn Suburbans posted by: Gab on 2/14/2000 at 10:31:35 AM
I have matching male and female Schwinn Suburbans purchased in 1979. Models 690 & 692. Ser. Nos. FW608832 & DB547023.
All parts original. Very good condition except some chrome pitting. Need new tires. Can anyone tell me exactly when they were manufactured and the approximate value?

MISC: Peugeot/Terrot Dijon posted by: Mark Hineline on 2/14/2000 at 6:01:39 AM
On Saturday I picked up a Terrot Dijon bicycle. It is royal blue with yellow paint on the lugs. Very nice lugs. Spokes on wheels were painted yellow to match. Some evidence that the bicycle is mid-sixties. Mafac/Huret components. I can't find any information about it. What, if anything, do I have?