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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

WANTED:   Patches (not the tire) posted by: Philip on 5/15/2000 at 10:03:11 PM
I am looking for some old patches like Campy or phil Wood,etc.etc. if you have any you would be willing to part with please contact me and we can work out a deal.


   RE:WANTED:   Patches (not the tire) posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/22/2000 at 6:44:09 AM
Ok, I am looking for you. Why are you wanting these brands of patches? Do some brands hold better than others?

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Patches (not the tire) posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/22/2000 at 6:45:46 AM
Sorry, I was thinking tire patches. You are looking for cloth jersey patches. I can't help you here.

AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Bike... posted by: Jim Noone on 5/12/2000 at 11:21:00 AM
Hi all, hoping for a little help here. I was just given a fine old
bike, but I haven't a clue what it is. Frame is metallic green, no
badge, only decal is on fork "Rapide". Dropouts are horizontal with
screws, only braze-on is a cable stop on chainstay. BB is french, I
think (fixed cup screws backwards). Rear spacing is 126mm. Rims are
27 inch, and the only probable original components are the hubs, Normandy.

Lugs are beautiful, very pointy curves, on head tube, fork crown, seat tube,
Bottom Bracket, and even diamond shapes on the rear brake bridge.

Anybody have any idea? Don't care about value, I just want to restore the
thing. Serial number is in two parts, 209, then 938 105.

Thanks in advance for any help!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Bike... posted by Karl on 5/12/2000 at 1:07:02 PM
If the fixed cup is left-threaded (backwards), then the
BB is either english or (unlikely, as they're rare) swiss.
French and italian BBs use right-hand threaded fixed cups.

As for age, from the lack of braze-ons I'd say late '60s
to mid-'70s. Beyod that, I dunno - can't place 'Rapide',
perhaps Raleigh?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Bike... posted by Hilary Stone on 5/12/2000 at 2:39:09 PM
I'm sorry to correct you but the vast majority of French threaded bottom brackets use a left hand threaded cup on the chainwheel side; it is only Italian BBs that use are commonly found with a right hand threaded BB on the chainwheel side.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Bike... posted by Jim Noone on 5/15/2000 at 5:18:29 AM
Thank you both (Karl and Hilary) for the input - it is much appreciated
Karl, I have checked out all of the serial number lists here in the
database, and it does not seem to be a raleigh. I was thinking that it
might be a peugeot, I guess the px-10's were common enough.

Does anybody recognize this format of serial #? Again, its
209 then 938 115. 209 is sort of on the 'line' above the rest.

Thanks a lot folks


   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Bike... posted by Karl on 5/17/2000 at 10:59:27 AM
>I'm sorry to correct you but...

See http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_bo-z.html#bottom

Note the bike could still be French, as many makers gave up that
threading in the '80s or so, and almost nobody uses it today.

Sounds like a nice bike, whatever it is!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mystery Bike... posted by Jim Noone on 5/17/2000 at 1:52:33 PM
Hey, thanks for the link Karl...
I have done a bit more cleaning up and I have found a few more details...
The BB is actually I.S.O and the rear dropouts are campy. From what I have
pieced together and the info I found on a PX-10 site (linked from, of course,
Sheldon Brown), it seems that the bike is a 1964 Peugeot PX-10 built for the
US market. I am not 100% sure of this, but the serial number format and
sequence seem to bear this out. I have it set up as a singlespeed right now,
and this thing willmake a roadie out of me yet! I haven't touched a mountain
bike in a week!

Thanks for all the help, folks, any other tidbits or contrary opinions


AGE / VALUE:   What a swap!! posted by: Gordon on 5/11/2000 at 9:17:29 PM
You guys may not find this particularly interesting, but I felt like sharing it with someone. A lady came to my house and asked if I wanted her old 10 speed as she was looking to get a mountain bike. I figured she probably had a girls Huffy, so I told her I would give her a reconditioned mountain bike I had for her bike and $10, which is the amount I had invested. A few days later she showed up with a near mint, totally original mens Schwinn LeTour and a $10 bill. I told her she could keep the cash, I was happy with just the bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What a swap!! posted by Oscar on 5/12/2000 at 12:18:36 PM
It sounds like the Karma train picked you up for previous good deeds. Excellent swap.

AGE / VALUE:   F.Hopper&Sons "Lincoln Imp" posted by: Gord on 5/5/2000 at 7:52:39 PM
Alright vintage bike dudes, I have the road bike of my youth right here in front of me. I haven't ridden it for 28 years but its followed me around. It is marked "E.Bertolini's (Milano) Lincoln Imp" made in England by F. Hopper & Sons in Barton-On-Humber, I suspect in the late 50s. Lugged frame, unknown steel, Weinmann Type 730 side pull brakes, Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1 1/4" rims, Bayliss Wiley bottom bracket, Cyclo type B freewheel,
serial # 27467 V 3(5?)31, Lycett rivetted saddle. Has shifter mount brazed on downtube and dynamo mount on fork leg. Anybody recognize it, Bob, Christopher Robin?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   F.Hopper&Sons posted by Gord on 5/5/2000 at 10:35:23 PM
Note: the manufacturer was F.Hopper&Co.Ltd not Sons, also the rear dropouts are marked Cyclo on left side and Benelux
on the right.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   F.Hopper&Sons posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/7/2000 at 9:41:47 AM
I would keep this one in the family.I can only suggest that you E-mail Sheldon and the Southern Vetran Cycle Club in England and the C.T.C. also in England. The bike is a keeper. Have fun this summer with it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   F.Hopper&Sons posted by Gord on 5/8/2000 at 10:21:18 PM
Could you possibly provide the addresses for the above contacts, I'm a novice at this, so they could be staring me in the face and I wouldn't know. Many thanks, Gord.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   F.Hopper&Sons posted by Dale on 5/26/2000 at 5:47:17 AM
This Hopper is an interesting bike because in that period Hopper was trying to drive its sales by having an Italian "design" their bikes. Of course Hopper eventually went out of business ...There is a bit about them in my web site, the Classic Rendezvous at; http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Classc_Home.htm I would like to have pictures for the site if you ahd access to a digital camera...
Dale Brown

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   preserving old paint finish posted by: Bill Putnam on 5/4/2000 at 12:59:25 PM
I have a mid 50's Raleigh Lenton club bike. The paint is
original and most of the transfers (decals) are intact.
My difficulty is that there is a layer of yellowed finish
which I am told may have been a shellac clear coat on top
of a nitrocellulose laquer or enamel base. Does anyone know
of a way to clean this yellowed top coat (which is flaking
in places) without damaging the finish or transfers

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   preserving old paint finish posted by sam on 5/4/2000 at 8:15:59 PM
First Bill,I'd put this queston to the roadster group.They live raleighs.I can tell you nitrocellose laquer is great paint,not made any more because it explods!If you have ever heard of plastic explostives,they are nitrocellose.but don't worry your bike won't go boom!lots of old cars were painted with it too.On the other hand shellac is dropping from a bug mixed with alcohol.better try the roadsters!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   preserving old paint finish posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/5/2000 at 11:07:39 AM
I have two of these machines and I have the same thing going on with one of them. This is a very good question I would talk with "Nick at LLoyds" in England. The god of bicycle decals!!

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   preserving old paint finish posted by Paul R. on 5/11/2000 at 3:52:10 AM
Christopher, How would I contact "Nick at LLoyds"? I am in search of decals for an old Raleigh Super Clubman. Thanks!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   preserving old paint finish posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/12/2000 at 9:19:56 AM
I would type in "Cycles de oro" under search with the little flashlight and go through that awesome website. Under restoration section if you scroll down you will find Nick at LLoyds under the bicycle painter section! They offer decal transfers alone I they are highly recommended. If you have a professional paint outfit restore the bike they will insist on selling you decals or charging high prices to make them. Only LLoyds (that I know of) will supply decals alone. This is best because you will not get taken advantage of just because you need transfers.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle posted by: Dan Wyman on 5/4/2000 at 9:45:32 AM
This is a great site! Maybe someone can help me.

I just purchased an Ives bicycle, sight unseen, for $100. I'm going to pick it up this weekend.

I'm told by the original owner who sold it to me, whom I know and trust, that he bought this bike in 1960 in Beverly Hills, CA. The Ives is an Italian bike. Beyond that, I don't know much about the make.
I do know that this was originally a 10 speed road bike that came with some sort of Campy gruppo. It was converted to a triple by the owner who purchased a rack and Eclipse panniers for it, along with a front bag. It also has a generator (lighting) system.
It has been re-painted in its original color, red and I'm told it's in pretty good shape.

So far, I haven't been able to find any additional information about Ives. Does anyone out there know anything about these bikes? Has anyone even heard of Ives?
I'm not worried about the value; I plan to ride the bike along with my other bikes, which include a 1977 Motobecane Champion Team (the orange model).

Thank you in advance!

Dan Wyman

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle posted by Dan Wyman on 5/9/2000 at 10:56:56 AM
Since I haven't received any replies to my post about the Ives, I suppose no one has heard of it.

If anyone is interested, I picked up the bike yesterday and found it to be in good shape. It will take a few hours of cleaning and polishing, but the paint is nice. Notable parts include Campy hubs and an Ambrosio stem.
It's equipped for touring with a 26T inner chainring, Eclipse handlebar bag, seat bag, panniers and a Kucharik frame bag; as well as the generator system.
In my initial 'round the block ride, it seemed to handle well.

I'm still interested in finding out more about this marque, if anyone reading this can help me.

Dan Wyman
Oceanside, CA

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/10/2000 at 10:55:23 AM
The Southen Vetran Cycle Club in England has a "Marque Enthusiast" for many brands, so I would contact them first. Keep following us here. This sounds like you did very well for your $100.00 What color is this? I have never heard of an Ives bicycle. I will ask an ancient pal of mine who is a jobber and he may know.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle posted by Dan Wyman on 5/10/2000 at 3:01:20 PM
Thanks, Christopher for your response. I know that I got a good deal, just for the accessories alone, but this bike is pretty and ridable without modifications. The only things that I really need are new handlebar tape and at least one new tire. There is plenty of tread on both tires, but one of them has a cracked sidewall.

The color is red, as was the original paint job. The Ives emblem is still on the bike. It was badly tarnished, but is polishing up nicely. It looks like brass. Aside from "Ives," there are some other words in Italian on the emblem.
An interesting feature of this bike is that it has a port in the bottom bracket for adding oil or grease. I haven't seen that on other bikes, but maybe it was a common feature for bikes of that vintage??

Do you know how I can contact the Southen Vetran Club?

Thanks again.

Dan Wyman

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle posted by Hilary Stone on 5/12/2000 at 2:47:46 PM
The Veteran-Cycle Club's membership officer can be contacted at 31 Yorke Road, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, Herts WD3 3DW Great Britain. Membership costs £18 sterling. For thgis you get a bi-monthly newsletter of about 80 A5 pages and a three times a year journal which is generally 48pp. I am one of the editors of the bimonthly newsletter which has a section called Discoveries where members can ask for info on bikes they have just discovered! A membership form can be found at v-cc.org.uk but it have to be sent by snail mail. The V-CC was called the Southern Veteran-cycle Club up until about 12 years ago.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/13/2000 at 9:22:46 AM
Well, question answered! You know you are in good knowledgable when Hilary Stone joins in our little chats! Wow!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle Thank you. n/m posted by Dan Wyman on 5/14/2000 at 6:21:53 PM

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ives bicycle Thank you. n/m posted by ChristopherRobin on 5/15/2000 at 8:25:24 AM
If you learn something about this bike please tell us what you find out.

AGE / VALUE:   Radeli spoke nipples need a good home posted by: ChristopherRobin on 5/4/2000 at 6:49:28 AM
I have a plastic container full of Radeilli (Italian) spoke nipples that I will send out free if someone pays shipping. These are some strange threading I cannot use and they have languished in my parts box long enough!Anybody need these? E-mail me! http://www.ChristopherRobin@starmail.com

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Course posted by: Christopher Hall on 5/1/2000 at 12:08:32 PM
I came to work this morning to find a raleigh frame and fork dumped in the parking lot.
It's a gold-colored "super Course" with decals calling it a "carlton", and also reynolds 531
and made in england decals, amongst others. Serial WS8002381.
Anybody have an idea whether this is worth the effort of finding parts for and re-building ?
It's stripped of just about everything, only the pedals are there, along with a rutsy headset,
and a pair of mavic wheels.
I've thought about getting an old bike for running around town, could this be
the one (once re-built) ?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Course posted by Oscar on 5/1/2000 at 3:50:43 PM
I think this would be the one. The Super Course is a fine, reasonably lightweight bike, made of 531 tubing. The no-nonsense frame can be mated with modern (or vintage) components to suit your riding needs. Pretty color too. Excellent find for a fly-dump bike.

You'll need brakes with long calipers as there's lots of room between the crown and the rim. They originally came with centerpull brakes, which are very easy to come by.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Course posted by Greg on 5/2/2000 at 5:54:51 AM
A day or so ago someone on the "English Roadster" topic posted a list of how the Raleigh models rank against each other, from Low End to High End. The bike you found is definately High End!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Course posted by ART on 5/2/2000 at 7:25:59 AM
I always think that there is something special about bikes that one finds. Especially if they have something more going for them...You found a nice frame that you can do a lot of things with. I've seen Carlton embossed components including a cool set of white brake levers. Good luck.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Course posted by Keith on 5/4/2000 at 6:04:29 AM
I love it when an abandoned classic is rescued by someone who will appreciate it. Good Karma. I think it would make a fabulous fixed gear bike -- go to Sheldon Brown's page on that -- he has an International set up that way. Although it would be worthy of modern components, you'd have to spread the rear triangle to accomodate the wider contenporary hubs. I'd say fixed gear (or flip-flop hub with fixed/free). You could also find mostly correct vintage parts pretty reasonably -- I'm not sure but I think this was a Simplex-equiped model. You could make it mostly "correct" without having to shell out the big bucks for vintage Campy stuff. Congrats on the find!!!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Course posted by Jeff Smith on 5/4/2000 at 9:24:38 AM
You lucky dog, you! I have a vintage '73 or so Super Course (Green) in almost new condition. I just had 700x23 rims installed so that I could run better-quality, higher- pressure tires, and a Shimano 7-speed cassette. The original bike did have a Simplex plastic rear der., but long ago I changed that to a SunTour VGT setup. Haven't had to touch the derailleur since (except for adjustment to allow for the 7-speed cassette). I alternate it with my Raleigh R-600 on long club rides . Love it, very comfortable bike. And it does attract attention from those who can appreciate it.

WANTED:   info posted by: jesse on 4/30/2000 at 7:18:04 PM
if anyone has info on late or early model western flyers please send to jcbikepimp@cs.com and jcbikedog@aol.com
thank you

AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi specialissima posted by: Larry on 4/29/2000 at 7:00:10 PM
Just purchased a Bianchi specialissima at a yard sale-in VERY good condition, all original and hardly used. Seems like a Campy advertisement-any age/value assesments would be appreciated. Also is this the type of bike to ride daily or more of a collectible sort, it's pretty quick!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi specialissima posted by Paolo on 6/3/2000 at 12:24:03 AM

The year it was manufactured shoud be engraved (last two numbers only) on the inside of the cranks.Bikes like this made until up into the sixties are highly priced in Italy.

FOR SALE:   Schwinn Superior 1952 fixed gear posted by: Sam on 4/26/2000 at 6:42:52 PM
1952 Schwinn Superior road bike frame converted to fixed gear with early 50s FB track hubs, Italian spokes, NISI rims, new Vitoria sew ups, track cog and lock ring, Schwinn Headset, BB, Seatpost and clamp, French pedals, BB, Bars and stem, new stretched leather saddle lots of photos avaliable $500 will sell the rims by themselves for the right price. Thanks

AGE / VALUE:   Mirella posted by: DAN on 4/26/2000 at 8:13:50 AM
Can anyone offer any info on Mirella bicycles. Just cam e across one. Campy parts and nice looking lugs but I don't know road bikes too well. DAN

WANTED:   wheel posted by: Fred on 4/25/2000 at 11:23:52 AM
Does anyone have a Wolber Super Alpine Champion 700mm wheel or know where I might buy one? The front wheel on my Fuji Touring Series III looks like a potato chip.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rotrax Bicycles posted by: Stuart on 4/25/2000 at 3:55:21 AM
Can anyone suggest where I may find information on this bike manufacturer (British I think - maybe based in Southampton,UK). I inherited a Rotrax bike from my father but have little idea about it's origins. I think the bike was bought in the 1950's and that's about all I know!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rotrax Bicycles posted by ART on 4/29/2000 at 10:16:30 PM
English made. Mass produced as opposed to small builder. They had a lugged model and a model that wasn't lugged. The lugged version was there high end bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rotrax Bicycles posted by Hilary Stone on 5/12/2000 at 2:58:39 PM
Rotrax was no mass producer. They were one of the larger lightweight framebuilders in the UK and were set up ijn 12945. Their best year output wise was 1951 when they built abouit 1500 to 2000 frames. Their frames were normally excellent quality. On the bottom bracket the frame number is stamped with a small punch generally very neatly close to the rh edge. The first two digits in the 50s represents the year eg a number starting 51 will be 1951. The re=st of the number is a sequential number though I'm not sure when this was restarted. The Veteran-Cycle Club (see the question on the Italian Ives bikes above) has a Rotrax marque enthusiast. There were some very top end Rotrax frames including one which was shown at an English Cycle show which retailed then for the princely sum of £75 sterling which was the most expensive bike available then in England. There were several designs of really high quality lugs and sthe less expensive models mostly used one of the various types of Nervex lug.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Robert Mosier on 4/22/2000 at 8:59:15 PM
I need to know the age and value of an AMF Texasranger