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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

FOR SALE:   Adams Trail-A-Bike posted by: Keith on 10/7/2001 at 6:32:44 PM
This morning it became aparent that my youngest -- 8-year-old daughter -- has finnaly outgrown the Trail-A-Bike. Bought new in 1996, this is the original 1-speed model. I added alloy drop bars to it. Hitch it to your vintage lightweight and take your 4-8 year old on adventures. $50 plus shipping. velohund@yahoo.com

   RE:FOR SALE:   Adams Trail-A-Bike posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/7/2001 at 8:11:49 PM
Hold it for me please. Send me your post address so I can send payment.
E-mail me before you check shipping rates.

AGE / VALUE:   Firenze posted by: Frank on 10/7/2001 at 6:04:46 PM
Does anybody know anything about a bike brand called "Firenze"? I go past my neighbor's house several times a day, and he has a bike of this name
lying in his yard. I'm thinking about asking him if he's interested in selling it. It looks to be fairly high qaulity, alloy components, Q/R hubs,
clamp on downtube shifters, steel cottered cranks, and center pull brakes. I've searched on the net for info, but only come up with info on Italian
cities. Sorry for the lack of info, but any help would be appreciated, so that I may be armed with more info if I offer to but. Thanks in advance!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firenze posted by Oscar on 10/8/2001 at 12:58:16 PM
I've seen some middle-quality and lower-end Firenzes. You're right to judge the bike by its components. Campagnolo parts would usually be found on a higher quality bike. Suntour or Shimano parts were put on bikes for everyday folk like us.

I can tell you have the fever, and I'll bet it bugs you to see the bike laying in the yard like that. Offer your neighbor $20 - he may be surprised that someone would want it. If he doesn't want to sell it, tell him to at least lean it up against a tree or something.

If you bring it home, let us know. There are a few things you should know about bringing an old Italian (hopefully) bike back to life.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Firenze posted by Warren on 10/8/2001 at 3:25:46 PM
The steel cranks and clamp-on shifters suggest a lower quality bike. Don't pay too much. Maybe have a closer look at it for names of hubs, rims, drivetrain, bars and tubing and get back to the list for more feedback.

   Firenze posted by John E on 10/9/2001 at 2:49:37 PM
When assessing the Firenze, check out the dropouts, lugwork, chrome, and other frame details. An integral derailleur hanger, preferably with Campy dropouts, probably indicates a Columbus/CrMo frame. Cottered steel cranks are a mark of inferiority on a post-1965 bike, but not necessarily on an earlier one.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firenze posted by Frank on 10/10/2001 at 7:34:27 PM
Upon checking out the bike a bit closer, it appears to be a lower quality bike. It has chromed steel rims and the frame doesn't look all that great. It's got stamped steel dropouts, and the lugs look like they've got spot welds holding them together in stead of proper brazing. I don't even think I'll bother trying to buy it. Thanks for the info anyway!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firenze posted by Oscar on 10/11/2001 at 1:44:02 AM
I was afraid of that. There's an abandoned, mostly-together Firenza mouldering away in a university campus near my office. There's nothing there that a noted scrounger like myself is even interested in. Whet your appetite, though, didn't it?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Firenze posted by Robert Raburn on 11/6/2001 at 5:42:05 AM
During the 1970s a television/stereo store in Daly City, south of San Francisco, gave away Firenze bikes with every purchase of $180 or more. The cottered crank, red frames and yellow cable housing became ubiquitous in the Bay Area as Matthews "Top of the Hill in Daly City" dumped thousands of these clunkers onto the streets. Whenever I passed a Firenze with a noisy chain back in the 70s, I would always ask if the rider got a graphic equilizer to go with the bike?

MISC:   where is serial # posted by: dana on 10/7/2001 at 6:09:38 AM
Hi,does anybody know where the serial number is located on the columbia newsboy special bicycles?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vintage Trek Web Site posted by: Skip Echert on 10/7/2001 at 3:29:55 AM
Hello fellow bike enthusiasts -

The initial effort for the Vintage Trek web site is up. It's goal is to collect and disseminate information on lugged steel road bikes and steel framesets made by Trek. Please see it at

I would greatly appreciate additional contributions of Trek information: other brochures, price lists, photos of bikes, and the like. Please contact me if you have such materials.

I want to approach Trek for information I can't get elsewhere, such as serial numbers by model and year. Does anyone know of a kindred bike person at Trek who might be a willing contact?

Many thanks,
Skip Echert
FAX 425 917 0104

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vintage Trek Web Site posted by Walter on 10/7/2001 at 4:33:13 PM
I can't help out much with info but I can congratulate you on your effort with the site. Real nice!

I did some fantasizing and put together an '82 720 with the SunTour Superbe package for just under $950. Those were the days. What does comparable quality go for nowadays?

I remember Trek making its appearance in the Miami, FL area in the late 70s maybe '80 but probably late 70s. A large Schwinn shop had in addition to the usual Varsitys, etc an area set aside as a "pro shop." They added Trek to go along with the Paramounts and higher end LeTours. They were selling complete bikes when according to your site Trek was shipping framesets only so I guess the shop was building some up themselves for their sales floor. They tried to get me off my Moto and onto one for about $500. I knew enough to know that the Trek was alot better than my heavy guage Moto but I was 14-15 years old and 500$ might as well have been a million. Parents weren't having it either not since they thought my Moto (+/- $250) was alot of money to spend on a bike anyways.

BTW I did catch a typo. Certainly not critising but if you're interested you used "addiction" when you probably meant "addition" in the History section.

Thanks for the site.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vintage Trek Web Site posted by Skip Echert on 10/8/2001 at 5:49:34 AM
Hello Walter -

Thanks for the kind words and the correction!

Yes, many local bike shops were building the early Trek frames into full bikes.



MISC:   zanetti motori posted by: mark on 10/6/2001 at 5:37:20 PM
i have a zanetti bicizeta dist. by american bicizeta.pennsauken n.j. need parts&info.
searl...zpd dgm9019om.
please reply .

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Motobecane Grand Jubilee posted by: Jeff on 10/6/2001 at 1:46:26 AM
Does any one recall these bikes from the mid 80`s.The parts mix on the one I picked is a combo of Shimano 600 and Nervar.The frame is brazed Columbus tubes with a stainless fork.Except for the very gaudy head badge this appears to be a nicely built bike.#10 83 46814.
Any feedback would be appreciated.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Motobecane Grand Jubilee posted by Walter on 10/6/2001 at 2:26:28 AM
I've always liked Motos as my first real bike was one ca. 1977 or so. I'm more familiar with late 70s models but Grand Jubile was a nice bike and a clean one would make a fine rider.

   RE:Motobecane Grand Jubilee posted by Elvis on 10/6/2001 at 2:27:02 PM
I got a used Motobecane Jubilee once. It was a nice bike, light, with good components. Sadly, it was a parts bike because it was not in good enough shape to fix. If you've found one in decent shape you have a nice bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Motobecane Grand Jubilee posted by Debby on 10/7/2001 at 12:14:59 AM
I bought a new Motobecane Grand Jubilee in 1984. I still
have the catalog and can look this up for you later and give
more details. The frame was Vitus; Nervar cranks; Campy 980
derailleurs; 27" wheels. Paid $400 for it.

AGE / VALUE:   WINDSOR PROFESSIONAL OR CARRERA SPORT posted by: Kevin K on 10/5/2001 at 8:25:44 PM
Hi. Sorting out bike pieces as my collecting is limited to Schwinn only I found the correct MADE IN MEXICO leather seat and handlebars off my Windsor Carrera Sport. These may or may not be correct for the Professional, but they are way too nice to throw out. Email if interested in them or if you've something Schwinn you would swap. Thanks, Kevin

MISC:   Campy pedal question posted by: DBean on 10/5/2001 at 8:28:28 PM
Are there special wrenches to remove the dustcaps on old Campagnolo pedals? Vise-grips do not seem appropriate.

   RE:MISC:   Campy pedal question posted by desmo on 10/5/2001 at 8:44:43 PM
Absolutely. You are in need of Campagnolo tool #710-Pedal Wrench. On one end is a spanner that fits the 'serrated' outer diameter of the (697/A!) pedal cap, and the other side fits the locknuts over the pedal axle cones.

   Campy pedal wrench posted by John E on 10/5/2001 at 8:53:19 PM
Keep watching eBay. A bike shop in/near WI periodically sells Campy pedal wrenches.

WANTED:   Head Badge wanted - Dawes Galaxy posted by: Tom Faust on 10/5/2001 at 11:29:40 AM
I just finished painting my '72 Dawes Galaxy, a very long process. Now I can no longer locate the head badge. Does anyone have one?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice vintage track bike on E-bay posted by: Warren on 10/5/2001 at 5:22:58 AM
Hve a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1013880278 for a perfect Oscar Wastyn Track bike from the 30's. I think the word is.....sweet?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice vintage track bike on E-bay posted by Walter on 10/6/2001 at 2:24:12 AM
Beautiful bike!

I'd love one day to collect a bike like that. It needs to be displayed though and I have no desire to turn my garage into a museum. Hopefully whoever buys it will find some way to let it be seen by aficianados even if only occasionally.

Maybe if I owned a pub?

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice vintage track bike on E-bay posted by Oscar on 10/7/2001 at 1:54:07 AM
Very nice bike. I see the opening bid of $1500 has not yet been met. It sounds like a fair price, and if I had $1500 for an antique, that would be the one for me.

That bike reminds me of the fact that there is still an Oscar Wastyn Cycle Shop in Chicago, I think still owned by OW's family. I'd love to see what treasures are in the basement.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice vintage track bike on E-bay posted by Walter on 10/10/2001 at 12:45:29 AM
Still no bids and I'm a little surprised. I remember a similar track bike going for this kind of money but it was no OW and it wasn't in nearly as nice a shape. May just be a bad time to sell someting like an antique bike that some people might be willing to stretch their budget for if the future wasn't so uncertain.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by: Danny M on 10/5/2001 at 3:05:45 AM
After posting my earlier coments I realized that I had spelled derailleur incorrectly so I asked my English Teacher wife how do you spell derailleur and she replied de-what? So here is my corrected version of one of the most mispelled words in history.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Oscar on 10/5/2001 at 3:22:19 AM
My wife is a proofreader. I don't get away wit' nothin'.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by John on 10/10/2001 at 8:52:58 PM
I have had two Sports Tourer's (March 71, November 71 models) and seen photos in several old publications from 1971 - 1974. Here is the component mix I have seen and experienced:
Cranks: Early ones TA CycloTourist, later Nervar alloy, both with 40-54T chainrings
Derailleurs: Front a "Schwinn" labeled Huret, rear is Campy GT on early models - LeTour on later models (the LeTour is actually a Shimano Crane GS, very nice shifter), heard the Campys were poor shifters, hence the shift to Crane. I have had both and the Crane shifts far better.
Brakes: Weinman 999 Vanqueir (spelling?), but labeled "Schwinn Approved" with Weinmann levers, including the suicide extensions
Bar/Stem: Alloy, stem has a nice "S" cast in
Saddle: Brooks B-15 wide
Wheels: Normandy high flange, chome double butted spokes, Weinmann alloy rims, Schwinn-label tyres, 14-34 Atom freewheel with skip-tooth pattern on two largest cogs
Shifters: Those beautiful but funky headset mounted stem shifters
Pedals: Atom rat-traps (alloy body, steel cages)

An incredibly high quality ride for the price. I picked both of mine up for $25 each.

Enjoy, John.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by: Danny M on 10/5/2001 at 2:23:34 AM
I have a 71 lime green sports tourer that I picked up at a garage sale a couple of years ago for a song. It was in very good shape and handled like a charm until recent. The Campy Gran Turismo rear derailliur was making a grinding noise in the lower gears so I proceeded to make some adjustments. Well, no one has ever accused me of being blessed with mechanical ability and I ended up popping one of the tension springs out of its cover. So having said that I would like to throw out a couple of questions to this knowledgeable forum. I have not been able to find out much info on the campy gran turismo such as quality or if it came out as original equipment on sports tourers, or if it replaced the original. I donot want to spend a lot to get it repaired if it was not original on this year of schwinns. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by John on 10/5/2001 at 7:23:37 AM
The derailleur on you Sports Tourer is not original to the bike. I purchased a Sports Tourer new in 1974 (and still ride it every day) and it came with a Schwinn LeTour derailleur, and today may be a difficult item to find. Danny, here is some information that may be of interest to you. Starting in 1971, the Sports Tourer frame was one of the few Schwinn bicycles that were "fillet brazed" and not "flash welded" like the mass-production frames. The Sports Tourer frame was made in the Chicago "handbuilt shop" separate from the mass-production plant. Using seamless CrMo tubing, these frames were hand made right along with the Paramount. However when the frame was completed, it went over to the mass-production plant for the serial number and paint (the Paramount continued on the hand built line). The Sports Tourer also came with alloy rims and leather saddle. Where could you get a hand built frame today, "for a song?" John
P.S. Mine is also lime green.

   Campy GT derailleur posted by John E on 10/5/2001 at 2:51:24 PM
The heavy Gran Turismo, which was not original on your bike, was Campy's wide-range adaptation of its bottom-of-the-line Valentino derailleur. In the early 1970s, ItalVega (later UniVega) spec'd it on their $125 Peugeot-fighter, to boast that one could have an Italian bike with Campy gear for the price of a Peugeot UO-8 or Schwinn Continental. Except in the quality of its bushings, it is grossly inferior to Campy's more familiar aluminum racing derailleurs.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Keith on 10/5/2001 at 3:03:37 PM
I only used one once, but it seemed to work fine for me on a 34t. I sometimes wonder whether Frank Berto, who absolutely trashes the Turismo, is trying a bit too hard to be a Campy iconoclast. The Turismo is made with heavy, well-chromed steel (nicer in that respect than the Valentino), and was designed to be an indestructable wide-range mechanism. I think it does that.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Steven Spires on 10/5/2001 at 4:07:11 PM
What leather saddle did the Sports Tourer come with? I remember riding my cousin's brand new Sports Tourer in 1974, and liking the saddle. Just wondering.

   Campy vs. SunTour posted by John E on 10/5/2001 at 9:01:03 PM
Although I agree that Berto is overly critical of the Campy Gran Turismo, an old wide-range SunTour would still be my first choice if I needed a 34T cog.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Oscar on 10/6/2001 at 3:34:02 AM
I have a Schwinn Letour derailleur set it you're interested. Will trade for ??

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by John on 10/6/2001 at 5:22:41 AM
Steve, the saddle that came with the Sports Tourer was the Ariake Jaguar (Japan).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Tim P. on 10/6/2001 at 6:44:02 AM
RE; Sports Tourer. I had until today a 1974 Sports Tourer with all original and correct dated parts, except for new tires, which I sold to my lbs. for exactly half of what I paid for it. Cost me $119.95. It had a Le Tour derailleur, high flange hubs, aluminum rims, chromo tubing, and a stock B-15 Brooks leather saddle, and TA three piece cranks. Very nice bike, tried to advertise it here and elsewhere for about $100.00, with no responces. Just thought you might want to know what my '74 had for a stock saddle. Tim P.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Debby on 10/7/2001 at 12:10:43 AM
A few months ago I acquired (for $29) a 1973 Sports Tourer which
appears to have all original parts. The bike doesn't look
like it was ridden much. It has a Brooks B-15
saddle (not even broken in yet). Red paint. I've only
overhauled the hubs so far - a slow process since the
grease has turned to a thick molasses! Other than that,
the bike is in very good condition. I haven't tried riding
it yet, but it is VERY heavy!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Steve on 10/7/2001 at 1:57:54 AM
Wonder what current Brooks saddle is closest to a B15, since they don't make that model now?

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Oscar on 10/7/2001 at 2:00:38 AM
Debby - I know what you mean by heavy. Even though the frame is Cro-moly, and the components are relatively lightweight, it's a heavy bike by modern standards. I have a Super Sport ($10) that I turned into a single speed. I removed all the heavy things - freewheel, one-piece crank, etc, and replaced them with modern light stuff. The only heavy thing I didn't give up was the B-15. It's relatively light now, and such a smooth ride!

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Sports Tourer posted by Oscar on 10/7/2001 at 2:02:34 AM
Steve - the B-17 is largely available. It seems just a bit wider than the B-15. If you find one in honey-brown, it would look super with the lime paint.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   eBay#1011106842 posted by: Walter on 10/4/2001 at 11:30:27 PM
About 1/2 dozen large quality pictures so it'll take awhile to load but is worth it. Fortunately way too tall for me. I find it interesting that it has already drawn more $ than 2 other 90's vintage Masis.

So, what do you guys think?

No $ interest in auction, yada, yada.

   It's a Mario Confente posted by John E on 10/5/2001 at 2:06:28 AM
Thanks for the post, Walter!

It's at least 5 cm too tall for me, and probably a few cm too short for Jim Cunningham -- I'll have to ask him whether he painted that one when he worked for Mario.

AGE / VALUE:   BEING POLITE ABOUT IT posted by: Kevin K on 10/4/2001 at 4:03:31 PM
Hi. I just came from a flea market where there were several bikes for sale. The people had no clue as to the value of these pieces. They were so over priced no one is going to consider buying these things.What is a "nice" way of telling someone that you are interested in what they are selling, but..................Just lookin for others input as to how you've handled these situations. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BEING POLITE ABOUT IT posted by Gralyn on 10/4/2001 at 7:04:50 PM
I see the same thing all the time. Especially in my area....people at flea markets, yard sales, etc. think schwinn is the ultimate...and they always grossly overprice them. So far as other vintage bikes....you just don't seem them...occasionally a Raleigh...but most of the time they are women's models. But yes, how to tell them their bikes are overpriced?

I saw a schwinn at a yard sale just a couple houses down from me. It was in need of much repair. It wasn't anything really special, either. They wanted $50 for it. I told a gentleman next to me....come back around lunchtime...and it will still be here. I rode by @3:00pm - it was still there. They had to roll it back in at the end of the day.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BEING POLITE ABOUT IT posted by Mike Slater on 10/4/2001 at 8:37:00 PM
If your not interested in the bike...why bother telling them anything! When it fails to sell, they'll figure it out.

If your interested in the bike, make a reasonable offer and be prepared to walk away when you get laughed at. Sometimes it works out in your favor. The Dawes in my earlier post was such a bike. The small thrift store owner wanted $60, I offered $15, he countered with $20 and I took it. Getting the good deals at garage sales takes dedication. I spend 2 hours every Saturday morning (8-10, wife thing permitting) checking out local garage sales. If I run across a good bike every 4 months, I feel lucky.

I wish I collected Schwinns, I sure have been running across a lot of them lately...mostly cheap where I live.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BEING POLITE ABOUT IT posted by Schwinnderella on 10/4/2001 at 8:51:13 PM
Leave an offer and wait for them to call later in the day or better yet check the curb on garbage day ,lots of them end up there.

   patience is mandatory posted by John E on 10/4/2001 at 9:52:04 PM
Patience and knowledge are always the most effective tools with which to maximize the return on one's money. Two or three Saturday mornings per month, I make the local yard sale rounds by bicycle. It's a great way to meet members of the community and to find out what's going on, and of course being on the bike ensures that it's never a wasted trip. I do occasionally have to make sure someone doesn't try to sell my bike as part of the yard sale.

   RE:patience is mandatory posted by Mike Slater on 10/4/2001 at 11:04:39 PM
That good John...on several occasions I've asked the price of a bike that wasn't part of the yard sale. :-)

   RE:RE:patience is mandatory posted by Wings on 10/5/2001 at 5:20:25 AM
I did all the thrift stores looking for bikes in a 60 mile loop today. It always seems to be relaxing -- a way to unwind. Many bikes in the stores. One store had over $100 on each bike -- one as high as $139. They had Schwinns and a Univega -- way too high. Another store had essentially the same quality of bikes from $29 to $49. There seems to be a greater spread in the prices this fall! I found a great Robinson BMX bike for $19 so I am happy! I am always looking for my Black Phantom that I gave to Goodwill in 1967.

   RE:RE:RE:patience is mandatory posted by Gralyn on 10/5/2001 at 12:56:44 PM
I always check the thrift stores when I have a chance. Just a couple of days ago I got a Nishiki 12-speed road bike - for $13. It appears to be in great shape, and well-built. It also seems to go with my Nishiki mountain mike - as they are the same color. And they had other bikes....in much worse condition....for a lot more $ ...there seemed to be no rhyme or reason to the pricing. I was just happy to get what I did for the $ I also go around to yard sales when I can early on Saturday mornings. I found an old Hercules early this summer. I found a Schwinn Continental...which I eventually re-sold. Most of the time I don't find anything....but I keep looking.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BEING POLITE ABOUT IT posted by Kevin K on 10/5/2001 at 1:16:17 PM
Hi. Yea, I realize patience pays off. Most people listen to your reasoning as to why an item isn't worth what they've priced it at. But every now and then you got someone who, well, never mind. As for Salvation Army/Goodwill stores those are great "hunting grounds". I picked up an NOS Schwinn Speedster at one. It was donated when a local dealer went out after almost 40 years of selling Schwinn bikes.$10. It still had all the correct paper work on the bars. So enjoy life all and thanks for the input

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   BEING POLITE ABOUT IT posted by Joel on 10/5/2001 at 9:38:21 PM
I saw a girl's Sears Flightliner at a flea market, pretty trashed and even the seat was covered in green house paint. The guy saw me looking at it and said that it was a 'Schweeinn from the 40s' and the price was $200. I told him that it was in fact a 60s Sears bike. As I was walking away, I heard him tell someone else the same thing.

AGE / VALUE:   BSR ? I think posted by: Gralyn on 10/4/2001 at 11:45:11 AM
I saw an old bike - probably not really old...maybe 20 years - not sure - but I think it was a "BSR" ....I believe there was a BSA....but I am thinking this was BSR....I'll have to go back and see - it was a 10 speed. The 1st and 2nd gears at the rear wheel - had the sprockets where it skips every other tooth. I had not seen that on anything relatively modern at all. I remember about 27 years ago - my uncle had a building full of old bicycle parts - I got some parts for my bikes - I remember some of them had cranks and sprockets with every other tooth missing.

   BSR / Skip-tooth posted by John E on 10/4/2001 at 2:30:38 PM
During the mid-1970s, Shimano introduced skip-tooth large cogs to enhance downshifting under load. They later moved on to today's ramps and stagger-cut teeth. I have heard of SR, a decent Japanese brand, but BSR is a new one on me.

   RE:BSR / Skip-tooth posted by Gralyn on 10/5/2001 at 12:51:05 PM
Now, thinking back, it could have been "BSR" "BSC" "RBC" "BCR" ...but not BSA