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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Stella Bicycle maker posted by: Dan on 12/22/2001 at 1:25:40 PM
The french bicycle maker "Stella" made a bike which I have in my new collection. Does anyone have or know where I can get information on this builder of bikes, Sheldon Brown is at a loss for info on this brand. What I've read is that it was once a "marque french bicycle" with nothing more said about it. Any help is welcomed, I have a nice model made for the "Arctic Cat" snowmobile co. by Stella from about the early to mid 70's.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Stella Bicycle maker posted by Kenton on 12/26/2001 at 4:33:51 PM

I noticed you are still looking for information about your Arctic (Stella) bicycle. Try this web site.
It doesn't have a lot of info , but it's the best I've found so far.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Stella Bicycle maker posted by Dan on 12/27/2001 at 4:49:54 AM
Thank's again Kenton, now I remember seeing classic photo's with cyclist in Stella team jersey's.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Happy Holidays posted by: Brian L. on 12/22/2001 at 3:08:32 AM
Merry Christmas/Kwanza/Hannaukah (sp?) or whatever variation in-between you may be celebrating. This site is probably my favorite bike-geek spot and I have really enjoyed everyone's posting this past year. Special greetings to Art. Still enjoying my Frenchie ride.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It was a ho hum day ... posted by: Wings on 12/22/2001 at 12:42:44 AM
... Until I went fishing (for bikes)!
Normally there are no bikes at this time but they were abundant at good prices today. I only hooked one -- at the second thrift store!

I recognized it a Varsity -- but a little different!
26 by 1 3/8 tires, Rims stamped: "Schwinn Tubular S6"
Thorn scrapers touching tires. Good tires "Schwinn S6"
Blue transparent bar tape (like on my old one).
All decals in good shape! Paint really good!
Oval badge with "Schwinn" in blue to match color of bike. No other marks on badge.
Flat front fork -- Pin stripping all the way to the axle.
Front Axle: Schwinn Script with Wing Nuts.
Atom Rear hub. 4 cog freewheel.
Leather Saddle labeled: "WITTKOP"

Rear Derailer: Simplex in gold leaf pattern. A single flat bar with Simplex on a wing shape. The cable moves a little chain (like a Sturmey A. chain) in and out to move the derailer.
Rear Shifter: On right side of downtube. Fancy Gold Leaf "Simplex."

Front Derailer and Shifter: The shifter is missing! NO!!! It is there but it is attached to the front derailer -- a little 5 inch lever parallel to the seat tube. Oh, so this is the suicide shifter!!!
The shifter is Simplex in gold leaf with the wing pattern also.

Brakes: Weinmann Type 810 side pull.
Decal: "Varsity 8 - Speed" on downtube.
Serial number on left rear: K041295
Made: October 18, 1960.
Sold for $69.95 in 1960! I got it for $14.95 -- Wow!
Chain rings (for John E.) Stronglight 50 and 47!

I am always searching for the Phantom I gave away in 1967. I rode a 62 or 63 varsity all my life and gave it away 4 years ago -- so it is a thrill to real this one back in and it is "bigger" than the one I released!

I know this Varsity is first year and also close to first month! It is inside with spiders and all and it really just needs a good cleaning.

Frame size? Schwinn produced a 19", 21" and 23" bike that year. How did Schwinn meaure the frame? Straight up from the center of the bottom bracket? I get 21" that way. Or was it along the seat tube to the top of the seat tube (which is higher than the top tube). I get 23" that way.
Anyhow, it is my size -- but I really do not plan on riding it.

Sometimes it pays to follow your gut feelings and go fishing! I am excited! I have no idea as to value! I may have to sell off my Free Spirit collection after catching this one!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It was a ho hum day ... posted by Wings on 12/22/2001 at 1:18:12 AM
A "Varsity 8 - Speed" can be seen on page 108 of "Schwinn Bicyles" by Pridmore and Hurd.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It was a ho hum day ... posted by Wings on 12/22/2001 at 1:28:15 AM
I was so excited that I posted the above approximately 7 hours in the future! Wow!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It was a ho hum day ... posted by Gralyn on 12/22/2001 at 1:39:11 AM
I too, when fishing today. The Schwinn World Sport I saw in the thrift store for $80, which had been marked-down to $40 - was now marked down again to $20. It had Chro-Mo frame and aluminum alloy wheels - so I went ahead and bought it. They also had an old Schwinn Varsity - it was also marked down to $20 - but I didn't really want it. My wife and kids don't even know I have it. After they left for pizza - I transported it from the car to my workshop....it is now lost among all the other bikes...they won't even notice it. Over Christmas holidays - I will tune it up and clean it up....hopefully it will be warm enough to try it out. I am pretty sure it is a 21 inch frame...which is good.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It was a ho hum day ... posted by Gralyn on 12/22/2001 at 1:49:48 AM
I read some of the posts about some of the bikes folks find .....but in my territory - I never see these bikes. An occasional Raleigh, once a motobecane in terrible shape, I found a Nishiki in good shape, and a Ross, and of course, Schwinn....and of course, around here...most folks think that is the ultimate. But most bikes I see are the department store bikes: Murray, Huffy, Western Flyer, Sears, etc. Never seen a Peugeot. But I keep looking.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   It was a ho hum day ... posted by Wings on 12/22/2001 at 4:59:10 AM
Gralyn -- Where do you live?
I am north of Los Angeles and I have learned which Thrift stores to look at. Some stores I never enter. I do not do yard sales -- although I have a nice Sting Ray that I saw at a yard sale. I have done police auctions in the past and found some really good stuff. Police auctions in January are excellent! I have also attended auctions in the past also and got lots of good deals! But now I just focus on Thrift stores in a low income area and I do very well, in fact too good! Perhaps we have more bikes on the west coast because of the weather?

   RE: 1960 Varsity posted by Eric Amlie on 12/22/2001 at 4:37:26 PM
A first year 8 speed Varsity in my favorite color for $15. I cannot tell you how jealous I am. Is it possible to get some pics of the bike?

   RE:RE: 1960 Varsity posted by Eric Amlie on 12/22/2001 at 4:41:19 PM
Got so excited myself that I forgot your question. I think you have the 23" frame. Schwinn measured from the center of the crank hanger to the top of the seat tube.

   1960 Varsity is not "ho hum," but "ho ho ho" posted by John E on 12/22/2001 at 4:48:51 PM
If it is complete and in decent shape, the 1960 Varsity is arguably one of the most collectible Schwinns out there. Most were converted to 10-speeds with Huret Allvit gear. For my curiosity, what are the 4 cog sizes?

   RE:1960 Varsity is not posted by Wings on 12/22/2001 at 7:02:36 PM
John E -- The cog sizes are: 15, 18, 21, and 25. I will make my little chart on this and check out the shifting pattern also.

I am ready to tear it all apart, clean, and put it all back together, however I am restraining myself. Spokes are rusty. Rims -- after a cleaning will look excellent -- no pitting.

The Chainrings have tarnished -- turned a little gold or were they like that -- I will have to carefully check that out. Nothing needs to be replaced as it will all shine up like new -- unless the chain rings remain at a dull luster.

The decals are near excellent. One little tiny black mark on the major decal "Varsity 8 - Speed" that can be touched up. No tears in the decals. The "Schwinn" on the top tube is very clear and crisp with no tears -- even the dot on the "i" sits perfectly.

I would love to repaint it as there are minor scratches that show through on the top tube in two areas and slightly on the head tube. The seat stays are scratched from a pletcher rack (with metal reflector).

When I look at that blue paint -- it is a color that almost has some of that Schwinn metalic -- but one does not see metalic. It shimmers, but yet it does not -- I think this has to do with age of paint also! It almost seems to change color as one glances at it. I don't know of any paint that could match or capture that aged shine. Perhaps a cleaning and waxing with all the chrome shined would make it look -- not new -- but like a good oldre bike. I do that stuff all the time so that is not a problem. The problem is when I try to detail (with paint) on scratches -- I notice I sometimes end up painting a bike without starting out to paint the bike. Am I correct in thinking that original paint showing some wear has a value to many far greater than a new paint job?

The front brake cable housing is probably original (faded yellowy) and the rear brake cable housing is new and gray in color. I have lots of old Schwinn cable that I have saved so those can be made to look the same.

The bar tape -- blue transparent -- is almost like new. It is off .25 inch on one side so that the handlebar can be seen (it is shiny chrome underneath).

Yes, I will take pictures (no digital camera) but it will be awhile before I get them up to see. I will get some pictures taken before I do any cleaning.

Tires hold air and are good!

How rare is the 8 speed Varsity?

Comment on prices: Many Schwinns were $2.95 yesterday -- lots of great bikes that needed just a cleaning! I only took one because I did not want to damage it with other bikes!

A question I always have: Should spokes be replaced with stainless spokes on a bike like this or should they be replaced with what it had when it was made? I like stainless -- but if I use stainless I have then made a change!

The Schwinn Anniversary Phantom did not use the dull bolts, the dull bottom bracket bearing set, dull kick stand, or the dull fender braces that the original Phantom had! They chromed everything! I guess because we all love chrome -- but in doing so it no longer was like the original! To me it looked like a brand new copy -- not a new original.

Thanks for your comments! Even though I like fat tires -- seeing that bike in the line-up at the thrift store was cool. I grabbed it (I learned it is important to get your hand on it fast!) and wrestled it out and the holiday shoppers were telling me to move because I was blocking the aisle -- but I was so intent on reeling this one in and wanting to see what the derailers were and decals -- Yeah, it is really like fishing!

That Varsity just puts my Free Spirit collection to shame -- even though it is almost complete (lacking one color). It is like hanging a 20 pound bass trophy on the wall surrounded by pictures of guppies! :)

Merry Christmas, Happpy Holidays!

   DO NOT REPAINT THAT VARSITY posted by John E on 12/22/2001 at 10:27:00 PM
OK, now for today's Bicycle Antiques Roadshow:

I think you are perhaps holding a several-hundred-dollar collectible. Above all, do not repaint it. Also, do not replace those rusty spokes with stainless steel, although it MAY be permissible to replace them with a newer-looking Schwinn-approved, period-correct (Union?) galvanized set. [Other opinions from experienced collectors? ...] Isn't the durability of Schwinn chrome incredible?

FYI, the 1960 Conti had 27" wheels, 52-49 chainrings, and a 15-17-19-22-25 cogset, which works out to a near-perfect half-step shift pattern, albeit a bit narrow for John Q. Public. I guess Kingbay's racing background was showing ...

According to "The Dancing Chain," the initial production run of the 1960 Varsity was only a few hundred units, many of which ended up in Los Angeles.

   John E. is right posted by Walter on 12/22/2001 at 11:43:59 PM
You have a bike that will net you a profit of probably several hundred % of your initial investment. DO NOT repaint and don't replace anything other than that incorrect brake housing.

If you have no intent of reselling I guess some touch-up wouldn't hurt but I still wouldn't repaint. Varsity's in general are a dime a dozen but yours is very different. Clean it certainly, but change nothing. This is a cardinal rule of antique collection, be it furniture, porcelain or bikes.

   RE: '60 Varsity posted by Eric Amlie on 12/23/2001 at 12:11:25 AM
I concur with others here. Above all do not repaint the bike. I also believe the blue bar tape to be incorrect. I am fairly certain that it originally had white tape. This is also what the catalog shows. Thanks for the info on the saddle, and gearing. I have been wondering about this for a while now as I have been trying to gather all this sort of information on the Schwinn derailleur lightweights.

An amusing little story;

There is a guy here in Madison Wis. who owns the largest bike store(s) in the area. He also owns a vast collection of used bikes which I don't believe he really wants to sell based on the prices he puts on them, but they are for sale none the less. He puts on a huge sales extravaganza each spring at the local place where the large music concerts and sporting events are held. Last spring he was there with an original 1960 Varsity up on display. He had a price tag of $1500.00 on it. While I was talking with him about it he walked over and changed the price to $4500.00 because he was afraid someone might want to buy it! Now I know they are not worth even the $1500 that he originally had on it but they are worth a pretty penny especially if they are in good condition.

   RE:RE: '60 Varsity posted by Wings on 12/23/2001 at 6:18:14 AM
Wow, thanks for the opinions on not painting. I agree!
Regarding spokes -- thanks -- was it Union that made Schwinn spokes? For sure? Or I wonder if I have a bike within a couple of years that is Schwinn with good identical spokes! I guess the idea is to keep it totally original!

John E. -- Yes Schwinn Chrome is amazing. When I first got into bikes I talked to a bike shop owner in Ojai and he called Schwinn chrome "Amazing Miracle Chrome". I have found that to be the case -- of course, no steel wool!

Any problem about using a good wax on the paint -- but not on the decals?

Today I was thinking about the bar tape also! I came to the conclusion that the blue bar tape did not look good with the darker blue of the bike -- therefore not original. Also the bar ends have a white screw tightened plug to hold the tape in. That did not make sense and then I remembered the picure of the Varsity 8 in Hurd that had all white bar tape and also had the white bar ends. So, I figured the owner replaced his white tape with blue and used the same white plugs. What white bar tape was used on 1960 Schwinns? Was it white plastic?

Thanks for all your help. I will take some pictures and try to get them in to develop on Monday before the rush.

Actually, hearing the potential value and limited numbers made -- causes just a little stress to not screw up! (Scratches bother me!) I will first take it all apart, clean it, assemble it and I am sure it will look awesome!
I will need to consult with you guys again in the future so you can help me preserve this relic!!!

I went to the same fishing hole today and found nothing! Did you ever notice that good finds many times come in pairs? I have, but not today.

John E. -- I have not had time to check out the shifting pattern. Is it a good half step?

Thanks again for taking time to reply during this busy time of year.


   RE:RE:RE: '60 Varsity posted by Stacey on 12/23/2001 at 6:43:28 PM
What size spokes do you need? I have a line on OEM NOS Schwinn spokes. Not sure what sizes and quantity are available. Much easier if I inquire with needs.

In the wind,

   '60 Varsity posted by John E on 12/23/2001 at 8:58:14 PM
Your Varsity is one of several exciting finds among forum members this year. Yes, you definitely want white plastic tape, wound from the center outward, and secured with white plugs. I also recall alot of Schwinns with chrome push-in plugs or with white plastic caps over the ends of the bar. I think you also want red Weinmann brake pads, but be cautioned that they are not up to modern standards of performance. Watch the adjustment of that rear derailleur -- you don't want the cage flying into the spokes if the cable snaps or the shift lever comes loose. (I bet you thought "suicide shift" referred only to the FRONT unit! I apply the term to the rear, as well.)

Here's your gear chart, using Excel:
26" 50 47
15 86.7 81.5
18 72.2 67.9
21 61.9 58.2
25 52 48.9

The only objectionable gap is between 6th and 7th. With 5 cogs covering the same range, the Conti's gearing works out a bit better:

27" 52 49
15 93.6 88.2
17 82.6 77.8
19 73.9 69.6
22 63.8 60.1
25 56.2 52.9

Good luck with a worthwhile project. Keep us posted!

   PAINT posted by BILL on 12/24/2001 at 6:45:42 AM

   RE:PAINT posted by Wings on 12/24/2001 at 8:14:33 AM
Thanks for all the information!
Stacey: Thanks for the information on spoke availability -- I may get back to you. I think I would consider seeing if I have spokes that I could use in some 26 inch Schwinn wheels I have. If they are used and good they might not stand out so much as new spokes would.

Or better yet -- I think I will just take a can of silver spray paint. Spin the wheels and do it the quick and easy way! :) Has anyone heard from CRHISTOPHER ROBBIN lately? This should get a response! :)
No, I would not do that!

This project will begin after several weeks and will be done slowly and carefully. I do not think I should cover up a single blemish on decals at this point. Just as original as possible.

Today, I detailed and fixed up a Schwinnn World Sport. I selected a blue bike to do today. I used no spray cans. No paint touch up like I usually do. Just cleaned and used a really good wax. Even with the dings in the top bar on that bike -- it looked so good with the wax on that I know the Varsity will look awsome when it is done with no paint touch up.

A big thanks to you all at TEAM Lightweights!

   RE:RE:PAINT posted by Wings on 12/24/2001 at 9:02:43 AM
John E. -- It does have red Weinmann brake pads already!

AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by: FREESPIRIIT on 12/21/2001 at 5:46:36 PM
Yesterday at a 2nd hand store I saw a peugeot 10 speed I think is a 1967? IT had a triangular head badge, metal simlex down tube shifters and a triangular (not 531) tubing sticker on the seat tube neat the top tube. Earlier messages a person was orgainizing a UO8 serial data base with information on components etc. The bike was 10 frogskins ( aces, dead presidens, two fins, 10 dollars!) and seemed in original condition.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/21/2001 at 7:20:03 PM
We need a site with every Peugot bike ever made (or at least the fairly recent stuff) that shows a picture of the bike, the details about (the specs) the correct accesories It would be a lot easier.
What happened to the company? They would have old catalogs that could be used in putting it all together. All the confusion about diffrent models? Why? Because we have no complete refrence, that's why. There is no lack of loyal Peugot bike people. This is a good name, a great bike!
We need a huge Peugot site someplace on the web.
It's vintage bicycles! not some ancient, forgotten civilization that was way advanced and used a language that nobody can decipher toady.
It's great to be able to interactivly ask and converse, but wouldn't you rather be able to look this up and have your answer?

Lets start a picture database of every Peugot bike and a matching description and when you go to the Peugot section you can slide down the list of pictures until you see your bike and then the questions like: What year, what model, how valuable, related equipment, componets and links to the Campy sites is there, shown.
We need to access material and get this done or else it's gonna be endless questions over and over again for ever.
Im tired of everything being such a great mystery. Have you seen the (whatever) For Dummies series of books? No offense meant. Well, we need a Raleigh bicycle, Peugot bicycle, Hetchins, Royal Enfield, B.S.A. for Dummies series web site.

   Peugeot catalogues posted by John E on 12/21/2001 at 11:17:39 PM
Peugeot catalogues have appeared from time to time on eBay, but someone needs the time, budget, and inclination to accumulate, collate, and perhaps even scan and post them. The other big challenge here is that Peugeot serial numbering was haphazard until at least the mid-1970s, and various component substitutions were made from time to time. Even the venerable PX-10 website, which shows a great deal of meticulous research and care, has gaping holes and leaves major questions for the reader.

If we focus only on Peugeot's French-made lightweight road bikes, there are only a half-dozen evolutionary lines to follow: AO-8, UO-8 (add QR hubs, half-chrome forks, and full handlebar tape), UE-8 (Euro. touring version of UO-8, with mudguards, lights, and racks), UO-18/UE-18 (mixte equivalents of UO-8/UE-8), PA-10 (substitute sewups and 14-21 freewheel), PR-10/PKN-10 (substitute d.b. Reynolds 531 main triangle, Brooks Pro saddle, and aluminum Stronglight crankset), PX-10 (substitute Criterium derailleurs, Reynolds forks and half-chrome stays), and the Vitus-tubed series.

I encouraged Russ Fitzgerald to expand the charter of the PX-10 site to include the PR/PK/PY* series, but I did not sense any real interest in so doing, although he does have a partial component list under "History." Fortunately, we can often date a lesser Peugeot by comparing decals against the PX-10 picture gallery.

*Given a Reynolds/Columbus/Vitus/etc. main triangle, I still don't think it really matters whether the stays are plan carbon steel or a moly alloy.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by Warren on 12/21/2001 at 11:32:41 PM
If you scroll down the page to and earlier Peugeot discussion, you will find my description on a '67 AO-8. Sounds like yours...the head badge is actually a shield, (like the tubing sticker) but at first glance it looks triangular. What colour?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by glen on 12/22/2001 at 5:17:28 AM
With regard to identifying different models/tracking changes during production runs, gaining a better understanding of Peugeot's system of serial numbering seems to me a reasonable starting point. How are we to understand what changes occurred between, say 1972 and 1974, when we are unable to consistently assign a calendar date to the bikes in question?

For those out there with UO-8s, AO-8s, etc. who are quite certain regarding date of purchase, could you please submit model (if known), serial number and year? Maybe in that way a pattern (or lack thereof) can be ascertained. For example, can we rule out with certainty that the first numberal is not somehow related to production year? (Eg., my AO-8 known to be either from '71 or '72 has a serial number starting with 2, as in '72?). I doubt this is the actual case, but you know what I mean...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by glen on 12/22/2001 at 5:27:14 AM
By the way, ChristopherRobin is correct: developing a better understanding of Peugeot's bike lineup needn't be impossible, given the "billions and billions" (S. Brown) that were imported. Surely there must be more than a few Peugeot owners out there who regularly use this site.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by free spirit on 12/22/2001 at 6:58:35 AM
The bike was blue but not the metaliic, unless the color had failed! I know the humble U08 lacks the thouroghbred quality of the px 10, but does anyone think this bike is collectable. I have only seen one model that was older and it had the non-block peugeot lettering and a metal simplex rear derailer!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PEUGEOT AO8 OR UO8? posted by Warren on 12/22/2001 at 1:37:27 PM
I find it hard to assess the value of these early examples of AO-8/U0-8's. The value of early Peugeots from the 50's/60's have literally gone through the roof. I think the bike boom examples have no chance of having value unless they are in "mint" condition with all original equipment. Even then, these bikes were made in such unbelieveable quantities that they are still commonplace in many places. My '67 A0-8 is in pristine condition but I'm not certain I will get much more than the $20 I paid for it. On e-bay, I saw a japanese buyer paid more than $50 US for just the "Dural-Forge" brakes that come on my bike. Sad to say that sometimes these bikes are worth more parted out than complete.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   c. 1972 PX-10 on eBay posted by: John E on 12/21/2001 at 4:07:27 PM
It has a funky replacement fork, funky stem shifters, and funky Shimano rear derailleur, but the frame, Brooks Pro saddle, and Stronglight crankset look original and OK.


It is a genuine PX-10, however -- look at the chrome stays and dropouts. Simplex Criterium rear derailleurs and matching downtube shift levers do show up on eBay from time to time; a suitable original-equivalent Reynolds 531 fork is going to be alot tricker to find, however.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   c. 1972 PX-10 on eBay posted by Walter on 12/23/2001 at 5:18:34 PM
I looked at that bike. It was going fairly cheap last time I saw it. Someone may have enough left over to go parts hunting. I understand the Shimano 600. They're good derailleurs and it was probably installed before the bike was a collectible, just an older bike that needed a new derailleur. I don't understand the stemshifters. Usually those were junked in favor of d/t shifters not vice versa. On my Motobecane which came with stemshifters I switched to SunTour barcons.

AGE / VALUE:   wins & losses posted by: Fredhaj on 12/21/2001 at 2:55:22 AM
I won the other day. A neighbor who haunts the garage sales every Saturday gave me a tip on a Fuji he had seen at a sale in Palmetto FL where we spend our winters. He described it as being like new which I always take with a grain of salt. Anyway, I didn't get around to pursuing it until a few days later. I called and was surprised that the bike hadn't sold, more reason to question its like newness. Sure enough it was like new and is the best I have found. The bike is a Fuji Absolute model of about 1990. It is not a high end model but it does have a lot of alloy components and a nice index Suntour shifter/derailer set up. It rides like a dream also. That is my first win of the season so far.

My loss is that my friend Tomas Knott, a young bike shop owner in Bradenton FL died Nov. 17th from the effects of diabetes. Tomas was an ex criterium racer in his homeland of Sweden. Born of a Swedish mother and an American father, Tomas had been around a bit and had a lot of bike stories to tell. In the last five years I had bought a 1930's Hercules racer, a Schwinn Premis, a Motobecane Nomade, and a Centurion Iron Man, Dave Scott edition from Tomas. All are in exceptional condition and the price was right. Tomas was very considerate of his friends and customers,even the ones who brought in nearly new, discount store bikes that had been hastily assembled and didn't work well. We can't afford to lose his kind. I visited the store yesterday and saw Tomas's early 70's Swedish Chrescent Racer hanging from the ceiling as it had for the past 5 years since the shop was first opened. I had asked to buy it many times and Tomas always refused me but in a way that gave me hope. I asked the spike haired, heavily be-jeweled, baggy clothed kid in charge if it was for sale and he mumbled that it wasn't. Believe me, I do not take advantage of a situation like this but by the look of things, the future of Tomas's bike and shop may not be a good one. Not a good story to dwell on at this time of year but I needed to pay tribute to a good man and a good bicycle enthusiast.

   bike shops posted by John E on 12/21/2001 at 2:15:54 PM
Thank you for posting the fine tribute to your friend, and congratulations on your Fuji find.

In San Diego County, a center for bicycling and triathlon training, we have half as many bike shops today as we did 10 years ago.

AGE / VALUE:   TO ALL COLLECTORS posted by: Kevin K on 12/20/2001 at 8:41:10 PM
As we all know lots of new bikes are bought this time of year. Some of the old bikes will hit the garbage pile, others will find there way into second hand stores. So all you collectors, be sure to stay busy these next couple weeks checking out these hot spots. A few years back I was permitted into the back room of a large collection center. This was about the middle of January. I saw hundreds of bikes. I only took 3 at $15ea. Next time I stopped back I was told that was a one time only deal.Bummer. By the way if anyone is in one of these second hand stores and finds a 70's vintage Paramount,23" frame, it's mine please. I been looking for it forever! Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   TO ALL COLLECTORS posted by Gralyn on 12/20/2001 at 9:09:35 PM
I keep hoping, and looking....but it seems that since the summer - bikes are slim pickins. I hope it will pick-up some. I have had zero luck for a long time now.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   TO ALL COLLECTORS posted by Wings on 12/21/2001 at 7:19:49 AM
I have had good pickings this month. I usually find some good old relics during November and December. Last year the January glut of bikes did not happen! It will be interesting to see what happens this year. I check the thrift stores and when times are harder they have less. That may be the case this year also. I have had my best luck this year during the months that, in normal times did not do well! However, I have so many bikes that I am also happy when I return home empty handed!

I am thinking of refinancing. I wonder if the 60 bikes upstairs could be a problem in doing that? Oh well, it keeps me out of trouble!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   TO ALL COLLECTORS posted by Gralyn on 12/21/2001 at 2:55:16 PM
Well, I only have 8 bikes. I'm not there yet - but I'm working on it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   TO ALL COLLECTORS posted by Gralyn on 12/22/2001 at 1:54:04 AM
Make that 9 bikes. I bought a previously found Schwinn World Sport. It had been $80 marked down to $40, and today it marked down to $20 - so I got it.

MISC:   Special tools for Schwinn Varsity posted by: Bryant on 12/20/2001 at 11:52:59 AM
I am overhauling a 1979 Blue Schwinn Varsity and am looking for the special tool to remove the freewheel. It looks like it would take a Shimano Bottom Bracket Tool but I tried and it was just a little too big. The Park tool for "Old Schwinns" is much too small. I don't know the model number of the Freewheel, all it says is Schwinn Approved and made in France. Any Help is appreciated. Have a Merry christmas.

   Schwinn Varsity freewheel removal posted by John E on 12/20/2001 at 2:51:52 PM
Your "Schwinn approved" freewheel is probably an MM Atom, and the internal spline size, of course, differs from those of other makers, such as Regina and Shimano. These tools occasionaly show up on eBay and in older bike shops. If you live anywhere near San Diego, you can borrow mine.

   RE:MISC:   Special tools for Schwinn Varsity posted by Eric Amlie on 12/20/2001 at 8:57:27 PM
You should be able to find the tool at your local bike store. It it's a one time only deal, just have the bike store remove the freewheel for you. They will probably charge you $2.00 as opposed to $6 to $10 for the tool.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Special tools for Schwinn Varsity posted by Wings on 12/21/2001 at 7:25:09 AM
I have slowly gathered a collection of freewheel removers. When I need a new one my local bike shop may have it packaged by PARK or if not they can tell me what I need and they also are willing to order it!

   RE:MISC:   Special tools for Schwinn Varsity posted by Bryant on 12/21/2001 at 12:13:46 PM
Thanks all. I'll try the bike shop idea. San Diego is a little out of my way. If John E. is coming to Maryland for Christmas, then bring the tool. Otherwise have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year.

WANTED:   campagnolo part #'s posted by: wayne davison on 12/20/2001 at 9:09:08 AM
Hi, can anyone tell me what these are for??????
2 adjusting screws/springs #1134130. Looks like maybe rear deraileur adj
B/T shft nut possible #511.
Spring #7260152. Quite a light compression spring.
Spring #7260160.
Screw #7350397. Appears to be about M3 or M4, some sort of adj screw.
Metal blocks maybe pawls #7138005.
Any help indentifying these I would be thankfull for.....regards

WANTED:   Vintage Hercules Circa 1950 & 1939 posted by: Monica on 12/20/2001 at 4:24:10 AM

My name is Monica. I am writing from San Francisco.
I need advice as to where to find a specific item that
I would like to give to my parents as a very special
Christmas gift.

Both my father and mother once owned Hercules bicycles
in their youth (before they met). These are British
bicycles, but my father purchased his in Iran circa
1950 and my mother's was purchased in Mexico circa
1939. Both have beautiful and touching stories about
the acquisition of and various adventures on these
bicycles (which never made it with them to the US).

My father's Hercules (1950) was black with a headlight.
My mother's Hercules (1939) was burgundy. No headlight.

Do you have any information about where I might find
1. the bicycles that fit the descriptions above
2. the vintage poster or print of a Hercules Bicycles

If you have any information or probable leads, PLEASE
let me know at your earliest convenience.

Thank you for your time.

Happy Holidays!


   RE:WANTED:   Vintage Hercules Circa 1950 & 1939 posted by Ian on 12/20/2001 at 7:02:30 AM
Monica, I suggest you re-post this in the English Roadsters section of the site. If you do manage to find some I could help with some info regarding restoring them but although they are quite common around here relatively speaking I don't think you would want to pay the shipping from don this part of the world. Regards, Ian.

AGE / VALUE:   Miyata model numbers posted by: dave on 12/19/2001 at 10:15:47 PM
I picked up a Miyata "Three Ten" ... decent bike, all Shimano components. Anyone know the numbering scheme/dating methods for these bikes? I think the 1000 was the top end and there was also a 600, but I'm foggy on this.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Miyata model numbers posted by Warren on 12/19/2001 at 11:19:50 PM
I've had a Three-ten and a Two-Twelve. I've also seen a Two-Tens and Three-Tens My "Two" had decent chromoly tubing with internal cable routing in the top tube and that is where it cracked. The Three-Ten was actually a touring bike with canti brakes. Not too high end but rode it for a couple of winters since it had great clearance for studded tires and fenders. Both bikes had 1st generation SIS shimano shifting.

I really have no idea what the numbering scheme referred to. At one time I thought the first number was chainrings but it didn't follow.

I think this line of bikes preceded the 600/1000's by a few years. That should date them mid to late 80's. By the nineties the newer line was out...along with the aluminum Quickcross, cro-mo Triplecross and an aluminum/cross 1000 frame that was very cool for the time.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Miyata model numbers posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/21/2001 at 7:23:17 PM
I had a two ten Miyata and I rode it all over. I didn't know it was lower end, I just liked it a lot.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Miyata model numbers posted by Steven on 12/23/2001 at 10:11:30 PM
The three ten was made in the early to mid 80's. It is a more than acceptable bike with chro-moly frame and alloy wheels. The first digit in the number was tied to the positioning in the range. the two was lower than the three. The next two were the number of gears. the three ten was therefore a 10 speed iteration at the lower end of the Miyata range. The bikes with 600 and higher nmbers are fantastic bikes. I still own a Team Miyata from 83 with over 30K miles. With triple-butted tubing it remains very responsive and stiff.

AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn Varsity and World Sport posted by: Gralyn on 12/19/2001 at 1:05:17 PM
I stopped by a thrift store yesterday...the one that had the World Sport for $80....and it wasn't in all that great shape either....Well, to my surprise (but not really) they had it marked down to $40. But I still wouldn't buy it! If I had it really fixed-up and cleaned-up....and new tires...I would expect to maybe get $40 for it. It was definitely an 80's bike, though....the foam rubber grips on the handle bars...

...but they also had a Schwinn Varsity. It looked like an old one. I don't know when they started making them....but it was Chicago on the head badge. The serial number was stamped on the tube underneath the head badge (I didn't write down the number). It did not have a lugged frame. The front forks were not round, or tube-like - they were flat on either side.

Any ideas? Guesses? Is this a 60's, 70's? I doubt it 80's - it looked nothing along the lines of an 80's bike. When did they start making Varsities?

And the search continues.....

   Varsity posted by John E on 12/19/2001 at 2:22:53 PM
Help me, Eric et al., but here goes:

all years: flat fork (Continentals always had tubular)

1960: 8-speed, Simplex suicide derailleurs, sidepull brakes, 26" wheels, Euro-standard half-step chainrings, leather saddle; S/N L0nnnnn, where L is a letter from A through M, and each n can be any digit 0 through 9

1961: 10-speed

1962: Huret gear, dual downtube shift levers

1963: 27" wheels

1964: Sprint chainrings, spoke protector

1965: S/N changed to LLnnnnn format, where AA____ denotes Jan 1965, BC = Feb 1967, etc.

1967: TwinStik stem-mounted shift levers, chainguard, mattress saddle, suicide brake handle extensions

1976: Bicentennial edition available (white w/ red and blue accents)

1984: end of production

If the shifters were on the downtube, it's a more valuable pre-1967. If it had TwinStiks and suicide brakes (VERY likely), it's a much less valuable post-1966. Peak production was c. 1973.

   RE:Varsity posted by Eric Amlie on 12/19/2001 at 3:42:31 PM
Looks basically right to me except the brake lever extensions don't show up in the catalog until 1969. They may have been on some of the '68 bikes though. There is some evidence that at least some of the changes took place during the year and not always with the introduction of the new model year.

   RE:RE:Varsity posted by Oscar on 12/19/2001 at 5:21:06 PM
To further pinpoint the age, the serial number appear on the headtube on 1970 bikes and later.

WANTED:   Dunelt,1966 posted by: Danno on 12/18/2001 at 7:03:43 PM
Call me crazy, but can anyone direct me to a saddle in gold and white? I guess it was a wright,rampar, or brooks. Thanks and Merry Christmas!

MISC:   Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by: Gralyn on 12/18/2001 at 2:35:07 PM
I have a set of 26 x 1 3/8 Schwinn Tires. Will they work on an old English Dunlop rim? I recall reading somewhere that they won't fit because of the rim profile, or something.

   probably not posted by John E on 12/18/2001 at 5:11:41 PM
Check with Sheldon to be sure, but if I recall correctly, the only Schwinn tyres which are made to international standards are their 27-inchers. Remember the general rule: 1-3/8" = 1.375" only in mathematics, not in bike tyres!

   RE:MISC:   Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by Robert on 12/19/2001 at 3:33:20 AM
The Schwinn 26x1 3/8 tires fit the English EA-1 rim. The more common 26x1 3/8 fits the English EA-3 rim. The two are slightly different diameters and not interchangeble. The Schwinn rim is the S-6. Tires for the S-6 can be hard to find. If your tires are original Schwinn tires someone restoring one of the adult 3-speeds Schwinn made might be interested in them.

   RE:MISC:   Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by Robert on 12/19/2001 at 3:40:59 AM
P.S. to above entry. Yours re probably the EA-3 rims. EA-1's seem to be a rare size even in England. I have a Schwinn Speedster. I've learned these things the hard way.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by Jonathan on 12/19/2001 at 6:31:29 AM
When I tried to fit the standard 26x1 3/8 tire on the s6 rim
it ruined the tire bead. The rim is bigger. Another proprietary
thing to worry about. I found it easy to get the s6 tires...AFTER
I'd wrecked a perfectly good, new tire.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by Gralyn on 12/19/2001 at 1:18:27 PM
Maybe I will compare the profile of the rim...and compare it with that of the tire. Also, I could compare the profile of the old tires to that of my new ones. If they don't look compatable...then I will just try to sell the new tires.

    Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by Steve on 12/19/2001 at 6:27:43 PM
My recollection is that the standard English rims use a tire with a 590mm bead, and that these tires fit most modern American rims.

The older Schwinn rims use a 597 mm tire, so the Schwinn and English tires are not interchangeable. If you tried to put the (590mm) Dunlop tire on the (597mm) Schwinn rim, I wouldn't expect the tire to fit.

   RE: Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by John E on 12/19/2001 at 6:37:04 PM
From Sheldon's website:

26 x 1 1/4 597 mm Older British sport & club bikes
[I presume this is the E.A.1 size referenced earlier in this thread.]

26 x 1 3/8 (S-6) 597 mm Schwinn "lightweights"

26 x 1 3/8 (E.A.3) 590 mm Most 3-speeds, department-store or juvenile 10 speeds

   RE:MISC:   Schwinn Tires on Dunlop Rims? posted by Robert on 12/20/2001 at 3:55:54 AM
The tires on my Schwinn bear the following legend; Fits 26 x 1 1/4 straight side English EA-1 & Schwinn S-6 rims. Profile and diameter are different from the more common 26 x 1 3/8. I bought a set of Kenda tires for the Schwinn off E-bay for $5. Mine was the only bid.

AGE / VALUE:   Fuji Special Tourer posted by: Bryant on 12/18/2001 at 9:26:05 AM
I found and restored an older Fuji Special Tourer and would like to know how to find the date of manufacturing. The Serial number on the bottom Bracket is M9G05302. It was well put together and is in very good shape. The color is Orange but we all have our crosses to bear.