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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   What do you use? Bike Stands posted by: Bruce VR on 1/1/2001 at 2:54:46 PM
What do you use to keep your vintage lightweight from being knocked over by your kids, dog, etc???

Does anyone have a source for a nice floor stand that somes shops use to hold up just one REALLY nice bike? Not looking for a repair stand.

Thanks if you can help!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What do you use? Bike Stands posted by Tim P. on 1/1/2001 at 5:18:34 PM
Have you seen the stands that bike shops use that is constructed of metal, the base is an "x", flat strap metal that has a protruding square "C" shape, which is the vertical part that has one side of the vertical square cut out so that you may slide the crank arm into the vertical tube, having the pedal slide thru the cut out side of the tube? Confused? When the bike is supported by the stand, the crank arms are at the 12:00 and 6:00 o'clock position. The crank arm that is in the 6:00 o'clock position is the one that is slid down into the top of the opening of the square tube, so that the crank arm is inside the tube and the pedal sticks out of the open side of the vertical tube. Got it?!!!

   Nashbar has some stands that might suit you posted by Mike Stone on 1/1/2001 at 10:41:26 PM
Check our www.nashbar.com They have some stands that might suite your needs.

Another alternative may be through some of the airlines. Yes! I was flying on (Northwest?) recently and in their in-flight catalogue, they offered a hardwood bike stand attractive enough to use in the living room. Ah, that would be sweet, 'eh? To display your prized two-wheeler in the living room so that you could admire it with your doting wife beside you.... Hmmm somebody pinch me.


   RE:Nashbar has some stands that might suit you posted by Bruce VR on 1/3/2001 at 12:43:18 AM
I like the cut of your jib Mike! Or something like that... I paid $2300 for my Eisentraut Frame (40th B-Day, couldn't get the Ferrari...) and want to show it off. The crank arm idea sounds good but I'm a huge parts snob and my NR Triple hasn't gotten it's first scatch yet...

There's gotta be something better to hold up a bike, everything I see is made for 2" + MTB tires...

ANy other leads?! Thanks guys...

   RE:RE:Nashbar has some stands that might suit you posted by Bruce VR on 1/3/2001 at 12:53:13 AM
I found the motherload, check out the 15 or so models from this Japanese company...


Now just need to find a retailer/someone that sells more than just the "tree" model...

   stalactites versus stalagmites posted by John E on 1/3/2001 at 7:26:40 AM
For lightweight bikes, I still advocate horizontal or vertical suspension (by the wheel rims) from ceiling-mounted vinyl-coated "bicycle storage hooks." This saves space, keeps the bikes out of harm's way, and showcases them nicely.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What do you use? Bike Stands posted by Keith on 1/3/2001 at 12:37:26 PM
At home I have one of those nice oak stands that holds two bikes -- readily available from the usual catalogs. I get compliments on it regularly, as well as strange looks (the typical why would anyone have a bike displayed in their home attitude). At work I have three bikes suspended by wires from the ceiling in my office.

AGE / VALUE:   Jim Huntingtons Swap Show Date posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/31/2000 at 10:32:55 PM
Jim Huntington is holding his show and swap in Monson, Mass on Rt. 32 at
Memorial Hall on Main St. Set up time 7-8:00am Date: Sunday February 11th,
call Jim Huntington Days: 413-283-4113
Nights: 413-267-5230 Call up until 10:00PM
If not in leave a message and Jim will call back/ Swap spaces $20.00 call
early as this show will fill up fast. A Judged bike show will also be held
with awards given.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   UNKOWN SCHWINN posted by: JIMBO on 12/31/2000 at 1:11:32 PM

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   UNKOWN SCHWINN posted by Wings on 12/31/2000 at 7:42:03 PM
Where is the serial number?
On head tube? Left rear stay? On bottom of BB?
At the head tube: Do the tubes intersect in straight lines at the intersection or is the intersection of the tubes rounded?

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   UNKOWN SCHWINN posted by JIMBO on 1/1/2001 at 1:01:57 PM

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   UNKOWN SCHWINN posted by Wings on 1/1/2001 at 9:43:25 PM
That is a lot of numbers on the bottom bracket! I have seen that on a couple of 50's Schwinns. Straight tubes at the intersections would indicate a Taiwan Schwinn as opposed to a Chicago Schwinn which would could put it in the 80's but I don't understand the squarish stays. Can you post a picture of it including details of headtube, chain stays, and fork? Best I can do. Try Schwinn.com.

AGE / VALUE:   "KUCHARIK" LEATHER BIKE HELMET posted by: Kevin K on 12/31/2000 at 10:02:43 AM
Hi. I'd like your help one more tome this year please. I picked up a mint padded leather Kucharik bike helmet at a sale. The leather is excellent, no scuffs, tears, no wear at all. The leather chin strap has some of the black dye missing, probally from sweat, but leather is still strong. I would like to know more about it such as who made it, how old. I would like to sell it also, so I'd like to know a price to ask so that a buyer/ collector could get a good deal. Thanks again. Kevin

   Kucharik posted by John E on 12/31/2000 at 1:24:36 PM
Wow, Kevin, that's a ride down memory lane for me! In the ealry 1970s, we sold Kuchariks for about $13 at Bikecology (now Supergo), as a potentially-safer, i.e., more-padded, alternative to the standard hairnets of the day. I was wearing one in 1976 when I received a concussion from a collision with an errant motor vehicle. I immediately replaced it with a first-generation hardshell-over-styrofoam Bell Biker, and have used successive refinements of this improved technology ever since.

Since I am unaware of any collectors' market for cycling helmets and since I could not ethically sell an archaic padded leather helmet to anyone for real-world head protection, I personally would place its value at 0. If you are lucky, the free market (e.g., eBay or The Antiques Roadshow), disagrees with me in this case.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Walter on 12/31/2000 at 1:37:53 PM
John has a point. Put it on ebay with a price starting at maybe a 1$ more than you paid and see what happens. Maybe nothing but I've been pleasantly surprised a few times too. Yahoo auctions are free to sellers but don't attract bidders like ebay. Good luck.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Kevin K on 12/31/2000 at 2:53:33 PM
I don't mean to wear out my welcome on this site, but you guys are such a kick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy New Year To All.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Chris on 1/1/2001 at 2:29:07 PM
Kevin, I hope you're sitting down. One of these thins recently fetched almost $100 on eBay!

   well shut my mouth! posted by John E on 1/2/2001 at 10:45:08 AM
Wow! And to think I tossed mine out 20 years ago. At least it wasn't pristine.

AGE / VALUE:   What chain? posted by: Walter on 12/30/2000 at 6:38:52 PM
My Italian vintage roadbike is nearing completion and I'm looking for a chain. 15 years ago when I was into biking the choice was easy but now things seem different. Everything is 8-9-10 speed. Anyways I'm running Campy SR and a DuraAce 6spd freewheel. Who still makes a good chain to go with that set-up? I originally was going to go 100% Italian but since I've got DuraAce in there already, quality is my main issue.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What chain? posted by Oscar on 12/30/2000 at 9:19:45 PM
Sachs makes the best chain. It works for anything eight speeds or less. It ain't Italian, but if you're so inclined, www.bicycleclassics.com is back in action and offers expensive Regina chains (some oro?) Que bella!

   Oscar is right posted by John E on 12/31/2000 at 9:33:19 AM
I use SRAM/Sachs/Sedis SR-58s on all five bikes. These economical chains work superbly with my various 6- to 8-speed SunTour, Shimano, and SRAM/Sachs cogsets and Campy, Sugino, Nervar, and Shimano chainrings. I like to assemble them without the Powerlink, which I then carry with me for emergency repair. I have heard enough reliablity complaints about Shimano chains to make me avoid them entirely.

By the way, if you ever want more gear ratios, you can replace that 6-speed freewheel with an SRAM 7-speed, as I did on my Bianchi. (The Campy NR derailleurs shift very nicely across my 1.5-step 50-42 / 13-26 gearing.)

   RE:Oscar is right posted by WIngs on 12/31/2000 at 7:49:31 PM
I have not used a Sachs chain yet although I almost bought one at Supergo a couple of days ago. I just installed a IG90 chain and I never trust those connecting pins until I ride the bike for awhile. I think I will replace it with Sachs and I think the Sachs Connector would be stronger. What is your experience with the IG connector and the Sachs connector? When the Shimano chain fails is it at the connector link? A chain is only as strong as its ....... .........!

   linkage posted by John E on 1/1/2001 at 12:51:07 PM
I'm a retrogrouch. When I buy an SRAM chain, I assemble it in the conventional manner with my trusty old Cyclo rivet-pushing tool and put the PowerLink in my toolkit for potential on-road repairs. Although other people swear by the PowerLink, I prefer my method. I have used Sedis (SRAM) chains for 30 years. I assemble my chains carefully, inspect them periodically, follow Sheldon's 1/16" stretch per 12" length replacement regimen, and have yet to break one while cycling, though I have broken 2 rear axles, 2 cranks, a hub flange, and 3 frames.

My friend snapped a week-old Shimano chain at one of its regular links. The bike shop had enough trouble trying to repair it that they finally replaced it for him.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What chain? posted by Walter on 1/1/2001 at 3:00:18 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'll start shopping for the Sachs. I agree with John E. I'll use my Park chain tool. It's been in my box for many years but still up to the hob I'm sure.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What chain? posted by Walter on 1/1/2001 at 3:00:36 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'll start shopping for the Sachs. I agree with John E. I'll use my Park chain tool. It's been in my box for many years but still up to the job I'm sure.

AGE / VALUE:   Jim Huntingtons Bike Show/ Monson, Mass posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/30/2000 at 5:06:50 PM
Jim Huntington is holding his show and swap in Monson, Mass on Rt. 32 at Memorial Hall on Main St. Set up time 7-8:00am
call Jim Huntington Days: 413-283-4113
Nights: 413-267-5230
If not in leave a message and Jim will call back/ Swap spaces $20.00 call early as this show will fill up fast. A Judged bike show will also be held with awards given.

AGE / VALUE:   serial # posted by: Tonya on 12/30/2000 at 4:04:45 PM
We have a Schwinn with the serial number D504027 located on the neck of the bike can someone reply who knows the actual age of the bike?! We have checked the pages that show how to date them and nothing comes close because the number comes directly after the first letter.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   serial # posted by Oscar on 12/30/2000 at 9:32:45 PM
Sometime in the early 70's (1972?) Schwinn started stamping the serial number on the headtube, below the Schwinn badge. If your serial number is here, the number doesn't make sense. Tell us what model it is to help find the age. Model names are usually on the chainguard. If you can, describe anything else about the bike, for example tire size.

Schwinn imported some models in the 70's and 80's, which may account for the strange serial number.

   date code on badge posted by John E on 12/31/2000 at 1:33:50 PM
If your frame was built in the U.S., look closely at the Schwinn badge on your bike's head tube. During at least the 1980s, Schwinn stamped a date code, comprising the sequential day (1-365) of the year followed by the last digit of the number of the year (and we thought non-Y2K-compliant computer software was bad!). For example, my Schwinn mountain bike, built during the second quarter of 1988, has badge number, "1438." You may also want to repost this inquiry on schwinn.com / heritage / collector's forum, where several Schwinn experts lurk.

AGE / VALUE:   ROSS BIKE MADE WITH 4130 TUBING posted by: Kevin K on 12/30/2000 at 3:48:37 PM
Hi. Need some advice please. I bought a Ross "GRAN TOUR" the other day. I bought it as it had nice French made wheels on it, I fiquired it was upgraded with them as the rest of the equiptment didn't look of the same quality. I got the bike home and found the frame I.D. sticker down low near the BB under dirt. It I.D.'s the frame as made of 4130 tubing. I've long been told 4130 is good stuff, the frames lug work is nice, although common looking. Same as the braze ons for the cables. Was this one of Ross's better attempts , or is it still just a so so bike ? Is this worth updating with some nicer pieces. It is USA made, poss. worth saving. Thank you, Kevin

   Ross/ 4130 posted by John E on 12/30/2000 at 6:34:15 PM
Ross is generally a very low-grade marque, best known for kids' bikes and department store fare, but during the late 1970s and early 1980s they did turn out a few halfway decent models. 4130 is a good, basic CrMo, very popular on freestyle, BMX, and mountain bikes.

If you are looking for a pleasant commuter or recreational machine, keep the frame and do a few upgrades. If you are looking for top performance or something collectible, look elsewhere. (I just finished my latest project bike, an aluminum-framed Ross mountain bike. With upgraded cranks, chain, shifters, handlebars, pedals, and wheels, it's actually a surprisingly nice ride, but I am admittedly somewhat less particular about my mountain bikes than about my road bikes.)

AGE / VALUE:   atala? posted by: sam on 12/29/2000 at 11:10:23 PM
On the way to work stopped by goodwill to look at bikes.picked up an Atala with campagnolo hubs,and derailers.Got to get it out of the trunk and look it over,Would like any info on this bike,any one know anything about them?What do I need to decribe or look for to be able to decribe the bike to you.would like to get idea of age and value---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   atala? posted by Brian L. on 12/30/2000 at 9:08:29 AM
Atalas pop up a lot, as do questions about them on this web site. They enjoyed popularity here during the bike boom, and most were of average quality or worse. I just picked up a roadster variant and am undecided what I will do with it. Some were of pretty good quality, but the value to collectors of even the best usually resides in the parts. Nuovo Record parts and forged drop outs will indicate a better model and should ride well. Stamped drop outs and Valentino gruppo is probably pretty low grade made from straight-gauge carbon steel. In any case, you probably got it for next-to-nothing, so enjoy.

   Atala posted by John E on 12/30/2000 at 1:04:15 PM
I concur with Brian. We sold a few lower-end Atalas briefly at Bikecology (Supergo) in the early 1970s, and I strongly preferred their ride and handling over those of the competing slow-cornering Peugeot U0-8s and clunky Nishiki Custom Sports and Olympics. The Italians definitely know their frame geometry!

Although Atala is not a collectible brand, your bike should be a pleasure to ride.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   atala? posted by sam on 12/31/2000 at 5:30:29 PM
Thanks guys,I did get it for next to nuttin,so it should be a good bike to start in the road group on.At least I want mess up too much

FOR SALE:   IRC Road Lite EX Tires 700x25c posted by: thetoyking on 12/29/2000 at 10:42:46 AM
I have a pair of NOS IRC Road Lite EX Tires 700x25c, 100 psi, skin wall/black tread. $25 for the pair shipped in the USA. Please e-mail if interested. Thanks!

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Letour in Yellow posted by: Kevin K on 12/28/2000 at 9:11:13 PM
Hi. I bought an early( I was told it's a July 74) Schwinn Le Tour in that great Schwinn yellow. I bought the bike for parts as I have a matching twin to this bike that was missing some of it's original parts. I stripped the bike and intended to toss the frame, but washed it instead. It cleaned up pretty nice. A little patience and it could be touched up nicely. Decals look pretty good. This might be a neat fixed gear project for somebody.$10. plus shipping and it's yours. Please email for more info if interested. Thank you, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Letour in Yellow posted by Oscar on 12/29/2000 at 5:04:45 AM
You just HAD to wash it! Now you're in love - happens all the time. My Le Tour has made a great fixed gear, so someone with $10's gonna have a great bike.

MISC:   Saddle up! posted by: Oscar on 12/28/2000 at 6:52:29 PM
Ok, weather and dark days be darned! We have to ride and that's an unescapable fact. So who's riding where this weekend?

   cycling plans posted by John E on 12/28/2000 at 7:42:26 PM
We have had an unseasonably warm and dry winter in San Diego, and we weather wimps have been out in force. I did a marathon-length ride, half on-road, half on multitrack trails, on the mountain bike today. If Bill Volk is holding one of his monthly recumbent rides at Mission Bay on Saturday, I may pop down there on the Peugeot to look at all the funny bikes. Of course I will have to go cycling on Monday to celebrate the REAL start of the milennium. Happy Holidays to all!

   RE:cycling plans posted by Oscar on 12/29/2000 at 5:02:03 AM
If the weather is cold, I can't seem to handle any decent length - and our promised 5" of snow is 24 hours late! If all is well, I'll ride through the city at first light and aim for Montrose harbor on Lake Michigan (7.5 miles due east from Casa Oscar). It's a neat destination because a thin veil of ice forms over the still harbor. You can stand on a jetty (too slippery to ride) and hear nothing but the squeak of ice cracking below you.

Half the fun is getting there - and I still haven't bought fenders yet.

   RE:RE:cycling plans posted by sam on 12/29/2000 at 7:55:33 AM
Oscar,any change of you taking some photos of your ride and maybe posting on a site like Christians.I ain't never seen nutin like that.---sam

   RE:  Saddle up! posted by Bill Putnam on 12/29/2000 at 9:30:39 AM
We plan to hold our annual New Year's Day bike ride
starting at high noon (anytime earlier after New Year's
Eve wouldn't work too well for most), a tradition dating
back nearly 30 years. Depending on weather, we have
ridden 6-50 miles. This year, with close to 3 feet of
snow so far this season and more falling along with cold
temps, we might be closer to the 6 mile mark.

It used to be a real big deal to get our lightweight
bikes out on New Year's Day. Now, though, so many
people ride all winter long that it's not a big deal
anymore, although a few will still get their skinny
tired classics out for a bath in the salt and sand.
I'll be riding my C line 3 speed with MTB rims and
knobby 26 X 1.5 tires-it's much more stable than a
skinny tired bike.

Good riding,

Bill Putnam, Madison, WI

   RE:MISC:   Saddle up! posted by Oscar on 12/29/2000 at 2:35:44 PM
Thanks for the inspiration Sam. I'll bring the camera. Don't expect immediate results, but I'll post some trip pics on Christain's forum. This involves the antiquated process of using all the film, going to Walgreens, and then to Kinkos for digitilization. But I'll DO it!

Like Bill, I like to ride the 3 speed with mtb rims in the snow. I'm about four good rides into it, and it's great in the city.

   tyres for inclement weather posted by John E on 12/29/2000 at 7:28:35 PM
You guys are wise to use fatter tyres under wet or slushy conditions. I do the same, to the extent that my Bianchi is strictly my fair-weather midlife crisis toy.

AGE / VALUE:   any info? posted by: DAN on 12/27/2000 at 4:38:04 PM
I've asked about this bike before but no responce so I gathered some more info.

The bike is a Mirella "Leri" white in color, has Balilla brakes, Neuvo Record derailure, the rest of the Components are Campy including the drop outs. The brakes are the center pull type and it looks like there is a spot to mount a rack on the rear dropouts so I'm thinking it was a touring bike. Any info on the company or possible year of origin would be great also opinions on the bike. I'm a BMX guy but would like to add a couple of nice lightweights to the collection. Thanks for any help. DAN

   sounds rare and pretty nice posted by John E on 12/28/2000 at 11:06:32 AM
I have never heard of the brand, but your assessment seems pretty accurate. Since Campy introduced the NR derailleurs in the late 1960s, and sidepull brakes became popular on high-end bikes in the 1970s, I think you have a good late 1960s/early 1970s bike. If it has a fairly long wheelbase (e.g. 40"), it should be a great bike for long distance rides. (Many European road racing bikes of the early 1960s had frame geometries comparable to today's touring bikes, to handle the cobblestone roads.) Are there any stickers indicating type of frame tubing (e.g. Reynolds 531 or Columbus)? The name sounds like a Romance language, probably Italian. (One way to narrow down the country of origin is to determine the diameter and thread pitch of the bottom bracket bearing cups: Italian is 36mm x 24TPI, RH threaded; French is 35mm x 1TPmm, RH threaded; Swiss is the same as French, but (properly) LH threaded on the drive side.

FOR SALE:   1952 Raleigh Lenton posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/27/2000 at 7:03:44 AM
All original Raleigh Lenton from 1952, was a one owner bike I purchased recently for restoration. I have too many other projects so I must sell. All original parts are in good shape, the original owner welded a rear rack to the frame.
This is a great winter restoration project or ready to ride as is. Priced at $175.00 or best offer from this motivated seller.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1952 Raleigh Lenton posted by ChristopherRobin on 12/28/2000 at 5:13:57 PM
You have touched upon one of the things that make me jump up and run around the block screaming and crying. Somebody welded a rear rack onto the bike. Not attached with the proper mounting hardware but they welded it? On a 1952 Lenton? I'm nauseated. Lemmie see, I have heard about how old roadsters are being tossed in skips, then there is no shortage of those special people who love to take housepaint to an vintage machine, then there was the time I took delivery (rescued) the Raleigh DL1 because the former owner bent the fork to make it into a rod brake lowrider. Luckily I had a spare fork that time and now welded racks.
Please describe the bike, what hub is in this? Is it a four speed? perhaps a F.W. OR better yet a F.M.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1952 Raleigh Lenton posted by Wings on 12/30/2000 at 1:36:34 AM
I suggest you brush paint a good coat of enamel on the frame! Also get a can of dull aluminum spray paint for the spokes! That will preserve it!!!!
Right Christopher?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter Naiman on 12/27/2000 at 6:17:23 AM
We are now in the planning stages for the 5th annual Larz Anderson National Bike Show and Swap held on grounds of the Museum of Transportation at 15 Newton St., Brookline, Mass 02446. This years show will on Sunday/August 19th, 2001. This is the largest all periods bike show of it's kind on the East Coast featuring cycles from antique 1890's High Wheelers to modern Vintage Lightweights. Bicycle enthusiasts, vendors and tourists come from all over the Northeast and from as far away as California. Last years show drew over 1600 visitors, 80 swap meet vendors and over 150 bikes to the bike show. Swap meet tables sell bikes, bike parts and related memoribilia from all eras. Vendors include local shops selling close out merchandise, well known framebuilders, collectors and hobbiests. The Concour or Bike show currently gives trophies for best of show in sixteen categories for both restored and unrestored. This years show will be dedicated to
"the American Framebuilders past and present". The show is for everbody young and old alike. Come and have fun, bring the family and stroll the grounds of Larz Anderson Park and visit the Museum of transportation and their extensive antique auto and bicycle collection. For more information call Peter Naiman at (617)469-4581 and leave a message or email to hetchinspete@hotmail.com. Volunteers are also needed to help out the day of the show.
"Happy Holiday Season" Peter Naiman