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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   monarch silver king posted by: junkman127 on 3/24/2001 at 4:35:36 PM
I believe I have a 1937 silver king girls bike,any idea of
value?Was going to list on e-bay.
Thanx Mark

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   monarch silver king posted by sam on 3/24/2001 at 6:06:21 PM
this should go on the balloon discussion group---but the girls silver king will go for 100+.On the other hand the tail light in A+ condition goes for $75+ the butterfly kick stand $100 , SS fenders $75 , fork $75 , silver ray horn/light$250--well you get the picture--but I'll be--if I'll sell mine that way!!!---best of luck with the bike--sam

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Looking for sources. posted by: Sam Harsh on 3/24/2001 at 1:04:45 PM
I am looking for a source or sources for Gazelle AA super's
(mid/early 1980's). Complete bikes or literature, decals
etc. I have three now and used to race them when I was
younger and lighter!! I am just a individual with fondness
for them. Any info. is greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

AGE / VALUE:   Graziella tandem posted by: Tim Welsh on 3/23/2001 at 12:12:29 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but there is no 'tandems' section. I can pick up a Graziella folding tandem, with lights, fenders, and all. It's a very funky bike. Does anyone know anything about this bike, or where I can find out more info?

   No information posted by Oscar on 3/23/2001 at 12:57:32 PM
I've never heard of either a Graziella or a folding tandem. Therefore, you have no choice but to pick it up. Sounds like a unique find.

   RE:No information posted by Tim Welsh on 3/25/2001 at 9:22:35 PM
Excellent logic. How could I argue with that.

   RE:RE:No information posted by Oscar on 3/26/2001 at 2:56:01 PM
Can't. Don't.

   RE:RE:RE:No information posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/26/2001 at 5:07:20 PM
Please take some photos and send them in to the picture database here so we can get a look at something we know nothing about.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   MUST SEE -- ORNATE 60s RALEIGH INT. posted by: Keith on 3/23/2001 at 7:31:25 AM
Ebay # 1126082252. Not mine -- wish it was! Unbelievable.

   more eBay classics posted by John E on 3/23/2001 at 10:38:13 AM
Wow! By the way, the unrestored, all-original late 1950s Bianchi, currently $600 and counting, is also worth a look: 1125778450. I can vouch for both sellers, if anyone plans to take the plunge.

   RE:more eBay classics posted by Walter on 3/23/2001 at 7:50:23 PM
Ebay seems to be hopping. #1126059252 is a 1979 Bruce Gordon that is a work of art, esp the seat stays and lug. 102.50 but so far under reserve. I'm knd of glad it's too small for me......eliminates a very real potential for marital discord!

Also what do you guys think of # 11257990242 an older Trek (clamp on top tube brake guides) starting at $150. Btw in reference to the current Motobecane discussions same seller has a Moto listed, same opening bid as the Trek.

   RE:RE:more eBay classics posted by Greg Groth on 3/23/2001 at 10:45:02 PM
Can't comment on the pricing, but the SunTour shifters on the Trek were always a favorite of mine. It's a pity they aren't around anymore.

   RE:RE:RE:more eBay classics posted by Oscar on 3/24/2001 at 12:16:12 PM
I've got a set of Suntours like that. They mounted onto a boss at the top of the downtube. Lemmeknow if anyone needs it.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Any idea what model or manufacturer? posted by: Linda C Gorby on 3/22/2001 at 11:09:30 AM
I have a single speed light weight "racing" bike that was given to me around 1959-1963, was deep blue with metal decales saying "Made in Austria" and the word: "Roadster" on the frame. It had chrome bumpers (removed and unknown what happened to them) and rusted over now so that I can't see or don't know where serial number is any longer. Can anyone help? My husband wants to throw it away; I say it is a keeper.

   Steyr-Daimler-Puch or Capo posted by John E on 3/22/2001 at 12:59:16 PM
The only two Austrian bicycle manufacturers I know are Steyr-[Austro]Daimler-Puch and Capo. Since SDP is a huge manufacturing conglomerate, whereas Capo is a small specialty house, you probably have a Steyr or Puch.

Please post a list of components, including tyre size, and additional description of the frame markings. Do not let your husband simply throw it out, as fixed-gear road bikes enjoy a surprisingly large cult following.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Any idea what model or manufacturer? posted by Mike Stone on 3/23/2001 at 4:38:28 AM
Sounds like the bikes that were manufactured for Sears.

The year would be correct.

Was it a three-speed?

Besides black, the paint colors were brilliant almost metallic - surely they would have been eye-catching in 1959 or 1960. Do you remember a white, red, and black decal on the seat tube? It would have been a pretty big decal. The Sears logo was a black dot in the middle of this decal with "Sears" in white letters in this black dot.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Any idea what model or manufacturer? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/27/2001 at 3:18:32 PM
Please do not let him throw this out. It is a lightweight bike, and it is 40 years old. somebody will appreciate it. put it on e-bay or donate it to some homeless person, a charity. put up a sign saying free bike. To throw it out is wasteful. I think it should have some value.

AGE / VALUE:   Unic Sport posted by: doug on 3/21/2001 at 3:23:42 PM
I bought this road bike in 1979, it's made by gottfried Industies Int. of France. Has anyone ever heard of this company? I can't find anything on them. The bike's in
mint condition,I need to replace the front derailer.
The rear derailer is a Simplex, not sure about the front?
Don't know where to find parts?

   French parts posted by John E on 3/22/2001 at 6:32:04 AM
The best source for older French parts (and helpful advice on French bicycles) is Harris Cyclery, Newton MA (sheldonbrown.com).

What are the other components on your bike? What type of frame tubing does it have?

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: JOEL on 3/21/2001 at 2:00:45 PM
I have several Schwinn lightweight folding 27 X 7/8 NOS tires for sale or trade. Can send pics or info.

AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane posted by: Fred on 3/20/2001 at 7:40:13 PM
Keith: I have a tall Motobecane Nomade ten speed. It is one of the few bikes I have ridden that felt as though I have ridden it for years. I know that different models of different model years may not be in any way alike in quality and rideability, but this is one bike that is very competent and comfortable.

   Sheldon posted by John E on 3/21/2001 at 7:03:15 AM
Sheldon Brown loves Motobecanes (and Peugeots, Bertins, Gitanes, etc.). I have been delighted with my 1980 Peugeot PKN-10E (Reynolds 531, 3 tubes renforces), particularly after I replaced the Simplex derailleurs with SunTours. The specimens I have seen indicate that Motobecane's fit and finish during that era tended to be more consistent than Peugeot's. I do like the way French bikes ride.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane posted by Ray on 3/21/2001 at 11:01:35 AM
Luck has shined my way over the last 6 months. I was at Trexlertown bike swap last Oct and while walking around a guy took out of his pick up a Motobecane from the 70s in mint condition with a mixture of components. Nice clean sky blue paint job with Campy NR headset. If you saw the bike you would think right out of the showroom gold striping an all. Then as luck would have it I picked up another MB at the Monson Mass bike show that the paint job is faded and dirty but it is full Campy Record gruppo and the decals are great. All original but needs cleaning and possibly new paint. Both bike found at vintage bicycle swap meets and if I told you price, especially on the mint one you would have me arrested.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Motobecane posted by Gary on 3/27/2001 at 8:25:45 PM
I have an awesome Motobecane road bike here, looks like brand new, was deposited in my bike disposal pile overnight last fall, cant beat that price.... free, delivered.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   New Old Bike -- need advice posted by: Keith on 3/20/2001 at 12:27:12 PM
Okay guys, I really need your help again. I'm considering buying a Motobacane Grand Jubilee to replace my trashed Trek. I've never owned a Moto, but I've never heard anything bad about them. It will have Nervex lugs, 531 frame, and specs sort of ob par with a Peugeot PX-10. I'm waitng for assurances about condition, but will likely move fast since the price seems fair. I'll steer this one way clear of dogs. Any comments?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   New Old Bike -- need advice posted by Oscar on 3/20/2001 at 1:22:26 PM
I never had a Moto, but the name sounds nice. What could go wrong with 531 and Nervex? Carpe diem. Reminds me of how I picked up my Gitane, which has been a joy.

   carpe diem, caveat emptor, etc. posted by John E on 3/20/2001 at 4:13:53 PM
Go for it. If anything, it is better than a PX-10. If you are lucky, it has Swiss bottom bracket threading. If the frame is in good shape and fits you, you cannot go wrong. My cycling buddy of 20+ years ago had a Motobecane, and I'm pretty sure it was the same model. His even survived being strapped to the roof rack of his Alfa Romeo when he drove into the garage under his condo complex.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   New Old Bike -- need advice posted by Art on 3/20/2001 at 4:25:22 PM
It's a good bike, Keith. What components does it have? How are you going to build it up? I'm thinking along similar lines for a commuter. I think these are good solid rideable bikes. Nice lugs! I don't think you can go wrong.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   New Old Bike -- need advice posted by Walter on 3/20/2001 at 4:50:52 PM
My first "real" bike was a Moto. Mine was a step or 2 lower than the Grand Jubilee. A friend had a Jubilee and I remember being envious. Is it a gold color? Anyways, I join with the others in saying go for it.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   New Old Bike -- need advice posted by Wings on 3/20/2001 at 7:52:47 PM
A good friend who has owned a bike shop and still works in the business has indicated that the Motobecanes are his favorite. I test ride bikes all the time and Motobecanes have a special feel to me and I like them! In fact I have several of them -- I even measured to see if any were 60cm, but they were all too small. I think the Black and red with gold trim looks great! If one of them survived going into a garage when on the roof of a car, it should make it through a couple of dogs!!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   New Old Bike -- need advice posted by Keith on 3/21/2001 at 5:50:20 AM
You guys are the best.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rensho posted by: Gary on 3/19/2001 at 10:55:48 PM
Does anyone own or ever owned a road bike made by Rensho? Does anyone any history of the bike company?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rensho posted by Warren on 3/20/2001 at 5:11:35 AM
A japanese manufacturer of some of the best Kierin (sp?) bikes in the world. They probably make righteous road bikes as well. They're still making bikes so you should have no problem finding out everything you want.

   nice bike! posted by John E on 3/20/2001 at 6:27:15 AM
I agree with Warren. I think Sheldon has some info. about them. They are perhaps the best of many good rebuttals to anyone who doubts that Japan can produce world-class bicycle frames.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rensho posted by Tim Welsh on 3/20/2001 at 2:13:07 PM
Cylces de Oro has some photos & info about Rensho (3Rensho) under the Japanese Makers section of their vintage bicycles info page on their web site. Actually, they have info of just about any maker...

AGE / VALUE:   ZZR road bike, french 1960's???? posted by: Galen on 3/19/2001 at 6:52:53 PM
I have a bike which has mafac brakes and everything else including the frame (except for the rims, both aluminun, wiennman on rear and an italian on front) seems to be made by a company called ZZR. anyone know anything about this bike??

   ZZR road bike, french 1960's? posted by John E on 3/20/2001 at 6:29:45 AM
That's a new one on me! Do the components resemble Simplex, Normandy, Stronglight, etc. parts you have seen on other French bikes? I have owned Peugeot-branded Simplex derailleurs and Stronglight cranks. What type of frame tubing does it have? How about the lugwork and the dropouts?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ZZR road bike, french 1960's???? posted by galen on 3/21/2001 at 7:01:17 AM
it seems to be older than i thought, maybe 1950's, the rear dereallier is orriginal and is a campy valentino knock off, the drop outs don't say anything and there are no tubing stickers. the image on the head tube plate is a red winged horse. it has a brazed on single shifter mount on the down tube which fits a simplex shifter (it had a double Zeuse shifter which was definately not original), a hollow bottom bracket axel, aluminum chain rings mounted on steel cranks. the back hub is DHB? even the bell seems to be original. the brazing is a little unrefined in areas. it may be a chech knock off from a long time ago, no-one seems to know anything about it. it's a nice ride anyway, just be nice to know a little info, thanx for responding.

   production date posted by John E on 3/21/2001 at 2:10:51 PM
1) According to Berto ["The Dancing Chain"], the Valentino came out in 1964. Either your bike is from the mid-1960s, or Campy copied the Valentino design.
2) Single brazed-on shifter mounts were very common on French bikes until the early 1970s, since so many 1950s and 1960s models had either single chainrings or suicide shifters. Simplex and Huret made clamps which provided the second mount, when needed, as on the Peugeot U0-8.
3) In the 1970s, Nervar made cotterless steel cranks which used the same square-shanked hollow axles and aluminum 128mm(!) BCD chainrings as their aluminum Star cranks. Until the early-to-mid 1970s, most 3-piece steel cranksets had tapered cotter bolts.
4) Is there a serial number anywhere on the frame? In those days, Peugeot riveted a serial number plate to the bottom bracket, to the chagrin of owners and law enforcement personnel.
5) Is there any evidence on the seat tube (scratches, marks, dings, etc.) that the bike originally had a Simplex suicide front shifter?
6) If the bicycle is eastern European, Swiss, Austrian, or German, it will have a left-threaded fixed BB cup. If it is French and as old as we think, both BB cups will be right-threaded.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   ZZR road bike, french 1960's???? posted by shoe on 3/22/2001 at 8:15:50 PM
I remember working on a couple of bikes about twenty-five years ago called "DNB".
All the parts were very low-grade (white metal?) knockoffs of cheap European stuff.
The derailleurs and shifters were patterned after Campy Valentino bits. It was common for frames to be built
with just a right side shifter braze-on, and a band clamp straddling the right side boss to incorporate a left
shifter boss. All the components were marked "DNB" in a sort of ornate script which could easily be mis-read.
The brakes were patterned after Mafac center-pulls and were impossible to get a good adjustment on, due to
soft metal and poor tolerances. I have no memory of what the hubs were patterned after (I'll guess Normandy
high-flange hubs). The frame was clearly marked DNB in block letters and was made in Taiwan. Our overall
impression was that a low-cost derailleur equipped french or italian bike found its way to Taiwan in the
sixties and somebody built a carbon-copy with whatever tooling and materials were on hand. It was memorable
because of just how poorly it worked, and it was also the first example of a Taiwan built bike we had ever seen.

Imagine our surprise... (time to eat a little crow in public) ...we were certain that Taiwanese companies simply
COULD NOT build a reasonable quality bike. I guess I couldn't have been more wrong, eh?

I've only seen one DNB-equipped bike since then... I don't remember the brand name on the frameset. With the
eminence of the Taiwanese bicycle industries these days, I wonder what ever became of the DNB company. Has it
just faded away, or has it become Giant, Merida, SunRace or some other major (and high quality) supplier to
the world bike biz? The question crosses my mind every time I see a Campy Valentino front derailleur (not often).

The Campy Valentino rear derailleur design was real similar to the Huret Svelto. The Svelto was mechanically similar
to the more familiar Huret Alvitt/Schwinn GT500, but with a thick stamped steel
piece between the upper pivot bolt and the paralellogram instead of the Alvitt's stiffer and heavier chrome-plated shell.

   BB threading should clinch the identity posted by John E on 3/23/2001 at 6:19:55 AM
Interesting ...
If the BB thread is English, your "Taiwan immitation" theory is probably correct.

AGE / VALUE:   Cortina frame posted by: Dick Rogers on 3/19/2001 at 10:07:18 AM
My son bought a lightweight steel frame at a second-hand store,and the only identifying mark on it is the word "Cortina." It appears that is the brand (maker) and not the model, but I could be wrong. If anyone has any info about the bike, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

   Cortina frame posted by John E on 3/19/2001 at 10:31:24 AM
(The name sounds Italian, but Ford's U.K. division once made a "Cortina" automobile.) Are there any additional stickers, markings, etc.? Does it have brand-name dropouts, such as Simplex or Campagnolo? Are the stays chromed? How about the fork tips? What is the bottom bracket threading (to narrow done country of origin)? Can you identify the lugwork (Nervex, etc.) from cyclesdeoro.com or sheldonbrown.com? What is the serial number, and where is it located?

   RE:Cortina frame posted by Oscar on 3/20/2001 at 1:24:04 PM
My wife's first car was a Ford Cortina. Her eyes still get misty thinking about it.

   RE:Cortina frame posted by Dick Rogers on 3/20/2001 at 8:41:59 PM
Thanks for your help, John. I'm the relay for my son (who's not on-line), and I'm certainly not a bike expert, so please excuse me if I goof on some of the terminology. The word "Cortina" is on a sticker on a small chromed portion of the down-tube. There is no emblem on the head set, and it doesn't look like there has been. The drop-outs do not have any markings on them. The chain stays and fork tips are chromed. Not sure of the threads on the bottom bracket. The lugs are not fancy, and I can't identify them on either of the web sites you mentioned. The front lug is chromed. The serial number reads 60366, and it is located on the bottom of the bottom bracket. That's about it for the frame; now for the components. Both derailleurs are marked Campagnolo (the rear is Gran Sport, but the front has no other identification). The crank set is steel with cotter pins, and it is marked Magistroni (it is 52 X 47). Front and rear hubs are chromed with the marking Cidneo Extra. The small gear of the 5-gear rear cassette is signed "M. Duban" with (Supremo) after the signature. The handlebar and stem are marked Ambrosio. Brakes are center-pull Universal. Saddle is San Marco. Pedals are Sheffield. Rims are 27 X 1 1/4 San Remo with key nuts (instead of quick release stems). That's it, and thanks again for your assistance.

   sounds Italian to me posted by John E on 3/22/2001 at 6:42:53 AM
The half-step gearing, cottered steel cranks, center-pull brakes, 5-cog freewheel, wingnuts, chromed lugs, and Campy GS derailleurs say "1958-1962" to me. The Ambrosio bars, Magistroni cranks, Universal brakes, and San Marco saddle say "Italian" to me, particularly if the BB turns out to be clockwise-threaded, 36mm x 24tpi. It is probably comparable to a mid-level Bianchi of that era, i.e. not bad at all!

AGE / VALUE:   bsa parts posted by: david mclinden on 3/19/2001 at 2:46:59 AM
I am looking for bsa spare parts in particular , handle bars for a 1940 2 star road racer. wing nuts front and rear , I HAVE A PIC OF THE BIKE in original cond it has a wing nut on bracket holding the handel bars in position . it is an australian bike built by bruce small ,any info or parts greatly appreciated, is there any way to find out original color scheme

AGE / VALUE:   His & Hers Jeunets posted by: Tim Welsh on 3/18/2001 at 11:01:34 PM
An older couple in my city have 1968 Jeunets, his & hers, nearly unused, for sale. I haven't seen them yet. They are described as yellow with handpainted black details, and Simplex components. The 'hers' is a 'step-through' frame. What should I look for to know if these are of any value? Are any Jeunets collectable? Thanks in advance for any info.

   Jeunets posted by John E on 3/19/2001 at 7:25:33 AM
I suspect they are similar to the ubiquitous Peugeot U0-8, which retailed for about $110 in 1970. Look for a small sticker on the seat tube or downtube, describing the type of frame tubing. [The best French bikes of that era had full Reynolds 531 framesets; upper-middle French bikes had mixed tubesets, with "3 tubes renforces," i.e. butted Reynolds 531 main triangles; and the rest (yours?) were ordinary carbon steel.] Next, look at the crankset. By 1968, the best French bicycles all had aluminum cranksets (usually Stronglight, TA, or Nervar), whereas everything else had cottered steel cranks (also from Stronglight, TA, or Nervar). Please post again with frame tubing and component details. Even if you have mere U0-8 clones, they are probably decent-quality, comfortable bikes, particularly if the "hers" is a dual top tube, mixte-style frame. I happily commuted on a U0-8 for several years, and it was surprisingly good for a bike in that price range.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   His & Hers Jeunets posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/25/2001 at 9:56:05 AM
When you say step thru, do you mean Mixte?

AGE / VALUE:   Anybody know anything about it? posted by: Walter on 3/18/2001 at 3:27:48 PM
This is over on Yahoo auctions # 49218430. Not much over there but this 1 caught my eye. Esp. the Reynolds claim. Steel cranks made me dubious, then I noticed the wingnuts. Late 60s perhaps? Don't know a thing about CCM but would appreciate it if anybody could tell me something about this bike.

   one step above Peugeot A0-8 posted by John E on 3/18/2001 at 6:28:33 PM
(Aside: Canadian builder CCM now owns the rights to the Peugeot bicycle brand.)
The frame is probably straight-gauge Reynolds 531, main triangle only. The components are mediocre. I suspect it is a 1970s bike, when proper quick release hubs and aluminum cranks were standard on mid-to-high-end machines. In quality, I would rank it between the Peugeot A0-8 (a less-common U0-8 variant, without the QR and half-chrome forks) and a Raleigh Super Course. With a little patience, you can probably pick up something comparable for well under $50 at a neighborhood yard sale.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Anybody know anything about it? posted by Walter on 3/19/2001 at 6:11:40 AM
Thanks for your input. I think I'll pass. Primarily looking at it for its frame as a fixed gear/flip-flop convert. It'd be 90$ with shipping. I'll find an old Trek or Raleigh or something for less.