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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Ideale saddle questions posted by: ChristopherRobin on 3/6/2001 at 9:11:02 AM
Where in the caste system is this Ideale saddle? This is a Ideale French lrather saddle with the markings: T.B. Speciale Compettition with: Alliage Leger Traite Fortal 9 (space) 9 stamped onto the this silver colored rails. (either Aluminum or Titanium) I don't know French and I have no Ideale literature so it has got me. We can study the hgistory and product line of Brooks but Ideale is a bit of a mystery. What happened to Ideale saaddles, the company. I saw a newer version on E-bay with the cool Ideale logo so they must have survived into the recent past.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ideale saddle questions posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/7/2001 at 7:17:11 AM
I told the shoe repair fellow to clean and polish these two Ideale saddles. He went ahead and cleaned and then he applied this black leatherworkers goop or dressing. It looked pretty good, but still, I believe that he affected the value. He covered the rivits and badge also, but said he would clean and polish it up if I leave it with him further. I get it back today and the guys at the swap meet are going to ask me why I did this to these two nice Ideale saddles. I do not believethat this dressing he used will come off and perhaps this is permissable to do this.

A leather worker/shoe repair person does this every day I mean it is expected,part of the job. However I do not think cyclist have leather seats dressed like this. Brooks tells to use Proofide and well, this is what I get for being lazy and not doing it myself. Right?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:I got gooped, but good posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/7/2001 at 4:43:06 PM
Taking the saddle to the shoe repair guy on the way home. Dumb idea! There was waxy 30 year old proofide stuff around the rivits and they just painted this goop over it. They just look a little more black colored instead of dark brown.

Don't take your leather seats in to have them professionally polished lest they apply liberal amounts of leather dressing or (shoe repair persons shop goop)

   Golly! posted by Oscar on 3/7/2001 at 6:54:37 PM
Proofide is a mysterious thing, and I have been warned that nothing else is good for bicycle saddles. I wouldn't use it on my shoes.

   RE: Fishy stuff posted by Keith on 3/8/2001 at 10:48:17 AM
I used neat's foot oil for many years, but a while back I read several accounts of how this was bad, and switched to Proofide. One experienced bikes told me it has fish oil as one of its ingredients, which he said explained his dog's keen interest in any saddle that had just been treated with it.

   RE:RE: Fishy stuff posted by john hawrylak on 3/10/2001 at 5:30:14 PM

Did the neats foot oil damage your Brooks?


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

   RE:RE:RE: Fishy stuff posted by Keith on 3/13/2001 at 11:39:05 AM
I still have my first B-17 narrow, which I treated with neats foot for years. Conservatively, it has about 20,000 miles on it, and I'm still using it. BUT, my use of neats foot oil was always very sparing -- I wiped a little on the top once a year in the Spring. I have tightened the saddle too. A few years ago, I bought a B-66, and put neat's foot on liberally (a real soaking per Sheldon Brown's instructions), and I believe it became quite soft perhaps a bit too quickly. I've read that neats foot breaks down the leather fibers -- but I don't know this for a fact. Last year I acquired two more B-17s, and they broke in beautifully -- after about 200 miles -- using Proofide.

AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn posted by: Chris O. on 3/5/2001 at 7:50:02 PM
I just got a lot of old bikes and found this one in the pile. IT has a three speed derailer and a three speed rear hub. could not find the tire size. all it has on them (Schwinn stright side sport touring)it is a girls frame. is this worth anything. or should i just junk it.the ser.#C41XXX I think its a 1964
Chris O.

   hybrid transmission posted by John E on 3/5/2001 at 8:56:14 PM
Interesting find, Chris. I suspect it has 26 x 1.375" tyres (a Schwinn-proprietary deviation from the standard English 3-speed 26 x 1-3/8"). The transmission you describe was probably an after-market conversion of a 3-speed hub. Cyclo and others made cog clusters mounted on Sturmey Archer prongs, as well as extra-long axles. I had a 9-speed Armstrong whose 13-19-25 cluster yielded lots of redundancies and an extremely wide range with plenty of gaps, and a 12-speed wheel with a much more satisfactory 14-16-18-20 cogset.

The bike is clearly nothing exceptional, but if it is in *very* good condition, it might be something. As far as I know, there is little collector interest in derailleur-hub hybrid transmissions, although some modern commuters are rediscovering them.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn posted by Wings on 3/6/2001 at 12:14:05 AM
C41 xxx would be June, 1952. The serial number moved to the rear left chain stay that year. In 1964 a letter was followed by 6 digits. 1963 had a C followed with 6 digits. No starting "C" in 1964 -- according to my serial number book.
Could you have a 1952 that has been modified?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn posted by Eric Amlie on 3/6/2001 at 8:34:32 AM
Definitely do not junk it! There are people out here who are interested in old unusual drive trains. Ray, who occasionally posts here for one. Myself another.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/7/2001 at 4:47:09 PM
The Cyclo convereter alone would cost $50.00 for one in good condition. I'm not the only person who loves these cyclo converters,Do not junk it please! They're cool.

   I should have kept it posted by John E on 3/7/2001 at 7:17:02 PM
I guess I should have kept my old 4-speed converter / S-A hub hybrid combo, but I gave it to a friend when I built a bike for his wife. At least it went to a good cause.

AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn posted by: Chris O. on 3/5/2001 at 7:50:02 PM
I just got a lot of old bikes and found this one in the pile. IT has a three speed derailer and a three speed rear hub. could not find the tire size. all it has on them (Schwinn stright side sport touring)it is a girls frame. is this worth anything. or should i just junk it.
Chris O.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old Schwinn posted by Mike Stone on 3/6/2001 at 3:06:53 PM
I think John E is correct that you have a modified drive. This was a particular rage about ten or so years ago. Guys were grave-robbing old bikes from junk piles, disecting them, and creating freaks. The bicycle collecting boom added value to the old bikes and changed the definition of "junk bike".

Enjoy the ride or start the reconditioning process. I would not trust the date of the S/A hub to be accurate for the whole bike as it may have been taken from another bike.


AGE / VALUE:   RALEIGH GRAN PRIX posted by: Kevin on 3/5/2001 at 5:21:49 PM
Hi. I've got an early 70's Raleigh Gran Prix that I wish to outfit with a rear rack. The Vetta I put on looks ok, but I'm sure the English had something really funky looking for this bike. Can anyone tell me what type of rack I should be looking for please. Thanks, Kevin

   aluminum Swiss Pletscher "mousetrap" posted by John E on 3/5/2001 at 8:58:09 PM
I have Pletscher "mousetraps" on my 1960 Capo and 1980 Peugeot because they are practical and period-correct.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   10-Speed Movie posted by: Mike Stone on 3/5/2001 at 5:51:30 AM
I found a classic Vintage lightweight movie at Hollywood Video this weekend. It is called "10-SPEED".

It is about a swinging guy and a "down-to-earth" girl who are sponsored by their company to compete in a 400 mile race from San Francisico to Malibu(?).

Anyway, the beginning five minutes are the best part of the whole movie. The main character wearing a WHITE disco suit, bounces down the stairs of his apartment, bike in hand, and then bicycles to work - apparently no need to worry about getting any chain grease on that white disco suit in the '70's.

He zips through the streets of San Fran without having his hands on the steering wheel (I could do that at age 9, but gave it up after a bad crash). He flies through intersections without slowing and without looking. He rides through downtown San Fran (no-handed) all the while looking up at the buildings.

His receding, yet still blond hair flying in the wind as he has not helmut to protect his melon.

He foils a purse snatcher along the way.

When he gets to work, he is conidered the sexy hero who rides a bike to work - not a tree hugging nut.

What does he do when he first arrives at work? You guessed it - he chats up the secretaries. No need to get right to work in the '70's, I guess; no worry about sexual harrassment either.

Office conflicts between a mail and female employee? Hey, the boss suggest that they meet for cocktails later.

Have a look at the movie. It is a real screamer. Of course, it is a bicycle movie, so there is a whole lot of nothing, but it is fun just the same.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   10-Speed Movie posted by Sal on 3/5/2001 at 6:53:28 AM
That was the best movie review I've read in a long time. Left me crackin' up here!

   movie review posted by John E on 3/5/2001 at 12:06:49 PM
Thanks for the review, Mike. Is that a two thumb[shifter]s up rating? I still like "Breaking Away."

   RE:movie review posted by Oscar on 3/5/2001 at 1:38:37 PM
I rented a good one called, "2 Secondes". It's in French and subtitled in English. It's about a female downhill bike racer who ruins her career by stalling a downhill run by 2 seconds. She becomes a messenger, meets a retired racer who runs a bike shop, finds love...


   RE:RE:movie review posted by Oscar on 3/5/2001 at 1:42:56 PM
Charming in a sometimes girls love girls kinda way.

   RE:movie review posted by Mike Stone on 3/5/2001 at 6:19:28 PM
Ya, I guess it is a two-thumb shifters up movie, if you are a fanatic about '70's lightweights and bicycling like we are.

It is a lot more interesting now that it would have been in the '70's. It would be one of those movies that they showed at the outdoor theater; three movies for a dollar per carload. The ads in the paper would tempt you that it would be a boobie flick. You and your buddies would pile into the car and go to the outdoor theater in hopes of some nudey stuff to hoot and howl at, but in the end it would be a let-down. You would end up at the bowling alley later on that evening talking about how stupid the movie was.

Anyway, the movie has many scenes typical of the '70's. In one scene, the main character meets an older divorced woman who wants to bed him. He gets totally drunk and spends the night with this woman he never met before. In the morning, with hootch breath, he kisses her right on the lips. Then, of course, he is off to the race again.

Kissing strangers on the lips? Quick, take a poll; who still kisses strangers on the lips? Does anybody even still kiss on the lips anymore? In the new millenium, it's like, "Kiss you?! We shouldn't even be doing this!..."

Then there is the recovering polio victim racer (brother to the down-to-earth girl). He rides only at night for some mysterious reason. Even more baffling, he wears a tinted full-face sun-shield while riding - even at night. Remember, this is before the '80's hit song "I wear my sunglasses at night" (was that Corey Hart?). The film was definately ahead of it's time.

I can't tell you the end, but... oh well what the heck, this mystery polio rider wins the race. As the chicks and media are clammering all over him, he tells them, "leave me alone, give me some space. I just want to be alone" then he stumbles down to the beach to pout by himself. Yes, apparently the sensitive man of the '70's was a solitary fellow who did not race for the glory or the joy or the chicks, but for ... for.... well, for something else that is left as mysterious as mystery boy himself.

I would be interested to hear what you guys think of the movie. Sorry, no Kevin Bacon in this one, though, so all the faces will be fresh.


AGE / VALUE:   neat bike posted by: rachel on 3/4/2001 at 5:12:48 PM
i have recently found a rusty western flyer frame hanging in my boy friends garage. the bike is a light weight and has the original metal head badge. I was wondering if this frame is worth anything. my e-mail address is rValluzzo@hotmail.com

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Torchy Peden/CCM Flyer pic posted by: Warren on 3/2/2001 at 6:41:28 PM
I was looking thru ebay when I saw an 8 x 10 picture from the 30's of Torchy Peden, item 1118342019, (no affiliation). For those of you who don't know of him, he was a famous 6-day racer in the 30s and 40s...apparently he was a worker in the CCM plant in Weston (now Toronto) Ontario. He decided to take up racing and became a champion on the wooden tracks of North America and Europe. He completed 38 six-day races...a record that I believe stood for some time. Apart from being Canada's most celebrated cyclist of the "early years", he made the CCM Flyer track bike famous and it was the preferred mount for many track riders over the five decades when it was in production. The bike in the picture is a chrome Flyer, usually made of 531 tubing and I've been told the first bikes ever made to have cotterless cranks. The seller of the picture graciously provided a very high resolution jpeg: if you click on the image, you can make out the diamond shaped CCM headbadge of the prewar period. From what I understand, he was paid the same wage to race as he earned on the factory floor. It's an interesting shot of Peden.

Just thought I would mention this little bit of historical trivia. I have a couple of the "club" versions of the Flyer called the Road Racer...flip-flop hubs, fenders and more laid back geometry. Still no mounting positions for brakes on the front fork. They were supplied with a rather weak Phillips rear brake that clamped to the seat stays. Kinda slows you down after a while. But I really want a track Flyer...now that you know what they look like, I'm sure you guys can find me one or two, eh? They are very sweet bikes.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Torchy Peden/CCM Flyer pic posted by sam on 3/3/2001 at 5:51:01 AM
Took a little to load---worth the wait!OUT of my league but very interesting,Warren.thinks --sam

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Torchy Peden/CCM Flyer pic posted by Steve Birmingham on 3/7/2001 at 2:57:19 PM
Is this William Peden? I'm interested in any of the land speed record attempts, the list I found shows him doing 74.38 mph motorcycle paced in 1931. Only the second fastest then, but still amazing. The list dosen't say if this was just a motorpaced record, or an actual attempt at the world record. Very cool picture. Steve

AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN posted by: Michael on 3/2/2001 at 2:55:06 PM
You ever seen those bikes that they ride in the atholons were they run,swin, and ride a bike I just got a old SCHWINN from this event are these bikes any good I have every thing that came on it even origanol tires and tubes every thing works PERFECT a little rust

   which Schwinn? posted by John E on 3/2/2001 at 6:18:16 PM
It may be a nice find, Michael. Does the frame have a sticker denoting CrMo or Reynolds tubing? What components does it have? What does it weigh? Schwinn made a wide range of road bikes. The Paramounts and some of the other higher-end models were world-class. (There are plenty of Schwinns in the archives of this discussion area!)

AGE / VALUE:   What are these pieces worth generally? posted by: ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/1/2001 at 12:09:35 PM
Picked up a few things today, and need some info/imput PLEASE! Fiamme alloy stem, marked made in Italy. the finish on this said to me"Hey, I'm the best one in here so take me home!" also G.B. stem marked forged. Shopworn, N.O.S. stronglight headset race only one, lower and N.O.S. Ideale Model 90 French Leather saddle copper rivits, Professional model. Complete and N.O.S. strange flat railing. These parts are always hiding in, behind, underneath total junk.

Another Question, What's up with alloy stems marked S.R.? What is S.R.? what is it to? Hollow, alloy, lightweight, french stems, strange stuff. Several stems of Death lurking about.

Another one is bothering me. It's marked "Akront" and is alloy. I've never heard of Akront, so I don't know if I should bring it home or what? Is it worth $5.00?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:shop adventures  posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/1/2001 at 12:30:55 PM
Why are used, worn, pieces in the drawers with the new parts? Stuff that is pitted and grooved, Why was it kept? Is it better to supply a used part that fits, then no part at all? I guess that is the answer.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:shop adventures  posted by Oscar on 3/1/2001 at 12:55:26 PM
"I could come in handy someday": The packrat's motto. You should see the useless derailleurs, cantilevers, and odd pieces of shifters in my parts boxes. To make things more difficult, some have actually come in handy, so now I have to keep everything.

   SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by John E on 3/1/2001 at 1:03:48 PM
Hi Christopher,

SR is (was?) a large broadband Japanese producer of bicycles and components, including stems and cranks. Their better-quality components rival good European goods.

As for keeping old stuff, I agree. When I started chipping the wrench slots on my aluminum BB lockring (there's a really dumb piece of Campy engineering for you!), I was glad I had salvaged the steel lockring ring from my first Bianchi.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/5/2001 at 9:58:28 AM
Beautiful alloy stem, will polish up and look wonderful. One Problem though, THIS STUPID THING HAS NO MARKING ON IT WHATSOEVER!!!

   RE:stems of death posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/5/2001 at 10:02:04 AM
One has to watch it with alloy stems. Several riders have had alloy stems fail resulting in injury and sometimes death. You loose control of the bike and sometimes the result is the cyclist veering off into trafic.

   RE:RE:stems of death posted by ChristopherRobin on 3/5/2001 at 10:03:48 AM
Some are ok to use and some are not. Think about it and don't be afraid to fit a steel stem. You are priceless.

   RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 3/1/2001 at 5:14:02 PM
Thanks a lot for the input. What S.R. to bring home and what to leave, I dunno. I'm seeing a lot of S.R. parts. I consider it all junk but what do I know? E-bay is like bicycle flashcards! Se the part, see the name of it, the maker and best still, what it is going for these days. I'm still learning about and acquiring French oddities. For me, it is the next unexplored country. French parts/ cycles. I had the N.O.S. Ideale saddle up to my nose and I was smelling the leather with my eyes closed and the shop owner asked me to stop that and just pay for it. I can smell at home he said.

   RE:RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by Skip Echert on 3/1/2001 at 6:09:50 PM
Christopher -
The Ideale saddle is a great find! What did it cost you? Did the seller have more? A restorer of a period-correct french bike would pay a pretty penny.

   RE:RE:RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by Oscar on 3/1/2001 at 7:46:00 PM
I've seen SR stems on high quality and low quality frames. How do you tell the difference? Maybe it's all good.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by Wings on 3/1/2001 at 9:31:23 PM
I see lots of "SR" stems on older bikes. When I strip a bike I keep the stems -- maybe for a future replacement part. Old parts are great! Better than buying new parts!
Most of them look good and are good! You may have to now find a frame for each stem!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by cj on 3/2/2001 at 5:31:25 AM
What are the "stems of Death"?

   stems of death posted by John E on 3/2/2001 at 7:24:38 AM
AVA (original equipment on Peugeot UO-8, for example) -- see SheldonBrown.com under French Parts.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:SR = Sakae Rinyo posted by jimbo on 3/2/2001 at 10:04:06 AM

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Capo Photos posted by: Mike Slater on 3/1/2001 at 9:05:37 AM
For anyone interested - I finally got some photos of my Capo posted at this site:

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Capo Photos posted by Craig on 3/1/2001 at 11:37:32 AM
That is one beautiful retro ride! I've never seen tire savers like that, either.

   Please tell Hary Cap[o] posted by John E on 3/1/2001 at 1:27:14 PM
Thanks for posting, Mike. I am sure Harald Cap (www.capo.at)would love to see your pictures. Now I am inspired to scan and post pictures of my Capo, although your paint job, which I suspect is not original, looks alot better than mine, which is definitely not original! By the way, your seat tube clamp is after-market; the one on each of my two Capos was/is a steel oval bent in half to form two c-shaped rings, which were brazed to the slotted top of the seat tube. An extra-long binder bolt then runs through the fold of the clamp. I have heard about the soldier figure on the seat tube, but it was missing from both of my Capos. As you know, the bike is from the early 1960s; original components included Weinmann center-pulls, Agrati quill pedals and cottered steel cranks (52-46), regina 14-17-20-23-26 freewheel, Campy hubs and Gran Sport derailleurs, and that adjustable-reach stem. My Capo won't climb or sprint as crisply as my Bianchi, but it is by far the most comfortable long distance road frame I have ever ridden.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Capo Photos posted by Wings on 3/1/2001 at 9:42:47 PM
Nice work! It looks great! Do you have a before picture?

   RE:Please tell Hary Cap[o] posted by Mike Slater on 3/2/2001 at 7:02:13 AM
Will e-mail Harry Cap today. You are probably correct about the paint not being original. But if the seat post bolt is not original, then somebody, at some time, had to cut off the original and then braze on what you now see in the photos. Well, if that did happen, they did a nice job. Wish there were more info/photos on these bikes.

   seat tube clamp posted by John E on 3/2/2001 at 7:39:55 AM
The original seat tube clamp was probably only very lightly brazed onto the lug, to avoid reflowing the low-temperature silver solder at the critical top tube, seat tube, and seat stay joints. It would not have been difficult to remove it, particularly if one intended to repaint the frame.

These are rare birds, and there is very little information out there. I hope Hary puts together his vintage Capo website, so that we can share data with the other Capo owners out there. Meanwhile, enjoy! I love using mine on group rides and on Bike-to-Work Day, where it gets ignored by most people, but admired by those who really know classic bikes.

MISC:   Vintage Forum posted by: Art on 3/1/2001 at 6:02:24 AM
Cyclesdeoro has a Classic Rendezvous e-mail list/forum going on. A person on the list gets e-mailed posts by other members on topics related to vintage cycles. I just got on it and before I form any solid opinions (or express the opinions I have), I'm curious if any regular readers to this site have checked this out. Any observations?

   RE:MISC:   Vintage Forum posted by Eric Amlie on 3/1/2001 at 7:49:40 AM
I haven't joined the list as I don't want that much email to go through (It is very active!). I had joined the Bobish bikes list a while ago and just got overwhelmed with the sheer quantity of the discussion, most of which was either over my head or just not of much interest to me.

Again with the CR group there is a large quantity of discussion much of which is over my head or not of interest. I do check the archives most every day though. This allows me to quickly go through the messages and look at the ones that the subject heading indicates may be of interest to me. I also don't get my email clogged up with scores of messages every day. I just can't join in the discussion. I have nothing to add for these folks anyway. I am there to learn (here also).

It is a good group with some VERY knowledgeable and big name people on it. I highly recommend it, especially to those of you here who already know quite a bit about vintage lightweights.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Vintage Forum posted by Art on 3/1/2001 at 12:41:23 PM
Thanks, Eric. Feel pretty much the way you do. I hadn't figured out how to access the discussion until your post. I've been getting it via email. In that form, it is much harder to read than in the archives.

WANTED:   track handlebar posted by: Bill Patterson on 2/28/2001 at 12:49:31 PM
I need a 1930's era track handlebar.
I also need a proper set of rims to fit a 1937
Schwinn Paramaount track bike.

AGE / VALUE:   Bob Jackson tandem posted by: Craig on 2/27/2001 at 1:28:36 PM
This is truly a cool site...So I also have a Bob Jackson tandem,lime green,early 70's?.originally had Mafac canti's,Simplex shifters,the front der. is welded with an extention to accomodate the curved stoker seat tube.TA cranks,Phil Wood hubs,27"Super Champ clinchers,Cinelli bar/ stem.Ideale alloy leather seats.What's it worth?,I have changed some parts to make it safe to ride(brakes),no original rear der.,but I saved the parts I took off including the dark green cable housing.Thanks for reading,C.H.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bob Jackson tandem posted by Warren on 2/27/2001 at 8:46:03 PM
Not much...say $100? I'll have the cheque in the mail tommorrow... That bike is worth a lot to the right buyer. If the frame is good, I would start at a grand or so and move up from there. Too many variables and not enough info ie; cosmetics, tubing etc. Decent lightweight tandems are a niche market. Put the bike back to original spec. Simplex derailleurs are easy to find. I want it.

   why Simplex? posted by John E on 2/28/2001 at 12:56:03 PM
Since it's a Bob Jackson, that frame is undoubtedly far better than any derailleur Simplex ever made. Since alot of the better tandems were custom-outfitted anyway, I would argue for high-quality, period-correct derailleurs, such as Campy or SunTour, over your original-equipment Simplex. If you really want a Simplex rear derailleur, you can probably get one from a thrift shop or dumpster rescue Peugeot.

AGE / VALUE:   1985? Team Fuji posted by: Craig on 2/27/2001 at 10:44:03 AM
I'm interested in finding the value of this bike.I know it's not that old,but it is special because it is virtually unused(75 miles?).Stored in an attic for the last ten years,It's in what I believe to be original condition.It's 53cm,Shimano 600 rear der.,indexed 6spd shifters on top of downtube.Araya semi-aero clinchers,sunshine hubs,Suntour superbe front der.,tall,short Nitto stem,&narrow,shallow bars both black.Diacompe 400 brakes.Sugino crank,Cyclone pedals.Looks to me to be the original tires,seat(black suede)and clear plastic black and pink bar tape.This bike is really set up for a woman(if I may presume)because of the bar/stem combo and because the almost unscratched paint is PINK.Thanks in advance for any help, C.H.

   I had one of those posted by John E on 2/27/2001 at 12:09:07 PM
Nice machine! Two years ago, I bought a ca. 1980, same-sized, definitely non-pristine, yellow-trimmed blue Team Fuji, with quad-butted CrMo tubing and nonindexed SunTour Cyclone II derailleurs, for $10 at a garage sale. I swapped some components (love those SunTour derailleurs and DiaCompe aero brake handles!) and resold it for $20.

I would wild-guess the value of yours at $250 because Japanese bikes and small frames designed for women are undervalued in today's collector's market. (See SheldonBrown.com, as well.)

   RE:I had one of those posted by craig on 2/27/2001 at 1:50:53 PM
Thanks John,your guess helps because the person who wants to sell this bike wants $500.I thought it was offbase but if you compare it to what $5oo can buy new or used,it's a good deal...as with anything,it's only worth what you can get...C.H.

   Pink posted by Oscar on 2/28/2001 at 4:08:53 AM
Pink was not necessarily a women's color in the 80's, Thanks to Miami Vice, lotsa masculine things were pink - or seafoam green! (By the late 80's, neon pink was cool.)

   RE:Pink handlebar stems? posted by Christopherrobin@starmail.com on 3/1/2001 at 5:47:39 PM
This explains the pink extended handlebar stems I see. I could wrap something around it and cover it up.

   RE:RE:Pink handlebar stems? posted by Craig on 3/2/2001 at 7:51:55 AM
Wow cristopherrobin,you sure do have a thing for handlebar stems!Actually the stem on this bike is black,but I guess I have seen some colored stems...Why cover it up? Afraid your manliness might be questioned?(just teasing.:).

AGE / VALUE:   World Traviler posted by: Nick on 2/27/2001 at 12:17:40 AM
I have just aquired 2 schwinn world travilers.
The first one is a 1953 with locking front fork SW 3 speed aloy hub AW 53 and miller light set with generator correct seat and rear rack with bow tie peddils and schwinn breaks.
The second is a 1958 with a SW 3 speed AW 58 with german breaks bow tie peddils.
Both bikes are in fine condition with really good original paint and all of the components that are on the bikes are completly original. I was woundering about the value if the bikes was. And also if anybody has any info on Schwinn Wrold Travilers.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   World Traviler posted by aaron on 3/4/2001 at 5:11:02 PM
nick you spelled a lot of words wrong in your question and you bought a 1956 schwinn world traveler- i was with you. Also nick was wondering if different colors were more desirable than others and whether or not that effects the value. thanks