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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN NEW WORLD posted by: bill on 5/17/2001 at 12:57:25 PM
also this bike has sturmey-archer 3 speed with shifter on
top tube.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN NEW WORLD posted by Mike Slater on 5/18/2001 at 11:37:21 AM
Hi Bill,

All Sturmey Archer hubs had the date of manf. stamped on them. Assuming this is the original hub - that will be the date the bike was built. Give or take a few months.


     SCHWINN NEW WORLD posted by John E on 5/18/2001 at 11:55:55 AM
Good point, Mike. I am guessing 1950s, but the frame serial number does not match anything on this website. We are waiting eagerly, Bill!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN NEW WORLD posted by Bill Putnam on 5/18/2001 at 12:03:20 PM
The top tube (quadrant)shift lever might indicate and earlier
bike than 1950. I had a 1950 Schwinn New World. This bike
had the handlebar mounted shift lever for 3 or 4 speed hubs
with the little window in it to let you know the gear selected.
The 30's AW hubs had only the last digit of the year stamped
on them. I have a 1939 Schwinn 3 speed and the hub on it reads
AW 9

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN NEW WORLD posted by Art on 5/19/2001 at 8:17:58 AM
I agree with Bill's post. This sound pre 50's to me. I'd go over the rear hub again. I asked about the seat post because if it is a single piece of metal, shaped like a seven, it's another indicator of an earlier bike. I had a 40's new world once, with the top tube mounted S/A lever. Nice find.

AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN NEW WORLD posted by: bill on 5/17/2001 at 12:50:40 PM
i have just saved a schwinn new world from the scap heap,has
all schwinn parts.on the chain ring is A S &C O.number on
frame is 13164.need help on date.

FOR SALE:   Need room posted by: Keith on 5/16/2001 at 10:20:09 AM
I need room for a new bike -- so here goes (1) 62cm c-t Raleigh International all original except tires, some nicks in paint and decals, otherwise excellent - $700 + shipping; (2) 1983/84 Lotus Competition, 60cm c-t, Columbus tubing, chromed headlugs and panto fork crown, full Campy NR with very little wear, new clincher 700c wheels w/Mavic Open 4 CD rims, excellent other than paint scratches -- $500 + shipping; (3)1984 Cannondale, 60cm c-t, 56cm c-c, mostly Campy NR, Mavic hubs laced to Araya semi-aero 700c rims, new Sachs freewheel, excellent cond. -- $400 + shipping. I also have British 3-speeds out the wazoo, including an extra Raleigh DL-1 w/rod brakes, 28" wheels ($250 + shipping). velohund@yahoo.com Don't worry -- I'm not going to sell all of them -- just the first one or two that go. Thanks!

   RE:FOR SALE:   Need room posted by Art on 5/16/2001 at 2:14:14 PM
Something specific, or just want to make room for the opportunity to find something new?

   RE:FOR SALE:   Need room posted by Ed on 5/17/2001 at 4:54:54 AM
How old is the DL-1? Sure would like to see a picture.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Need room posted by Keith on 5/17/2001 at 6:37:55 AM
I don't have a digital camera, but may take some conventional pics and have them put on disk. The DL-1 is 1978/79. Correction -- the International is a straight 24" c-t, NOT 62 cm -- hence it is essentially 61cm c-t. I'm going to be away from the PC until next Thursday -- please be patient and I'll get back to all inquiries.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by: Walter on 5/15/2001 at 4:20:27 PM
1 of my recent projects was a fixed-gear conversion. Used a 70s Schwinn LeTour, original BB (turned the spindle around to improve chainline), original hubs and a mid-80s Campy Athena or similar crankset. With the ring inside the spider I've got a nice chainline. I had to build new wheels but the $ bite was lessened when I picked up some NOS "Sunshine" track hubs for all of 18$. I'm not sure if I've heard of them or not, does ring a bell. I'd imagine they're not Campy competitors but they're smooth and very nicely polished and high flange and look cool. Anyone know anything about them?

   Sunshine Hubs posted by John E on 5/15/2001 at 7:55:59 PM
Sunshine (SanShin, I think) made some pretty nice hubs in the 1970s and early 1980s. They are Japanese and were original equipment on my 1971 Nishiki Competition. The bearing races are not as hard as Campys, but I did get about 20K miles from one set and still have another pair.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by Walter on 5/16/2001 at 9:52:35 AM
I thought I had seen the name. I figured at 18$ for high flange track hubs I couldn't go too wrong. My gear is 52/14 which is kinda big but then so am I and I live in a very flat area.

Btw I misspoke in my original post. I didn't use the original hubs as I built new wheels. I did use the original no name steel hubset and have found it at least to smooth enough. I had thought about a new BB but I got the chainline right and won't mess with it. I'll replace the bearings next lube job. It's a rough looking bike compared to all the time I put on the Basso and Harding but it's fun to ride.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by Walter on 5/16/2001 at 10:33:01 AM
I keep saying "hubs" and "hubset" when I mean "headset." Is this symptomatic of a larger problem? Should I be worried?

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by oscar@freewheeling.com on 5/16/2001 at 11:59:18 AM
I also have a Le Tour that I rehabbed and turned into a fixed gear. I built the wheels up with Normandy hi flange freewheel hubs. My gearing is 52/16, which is high enough for this flatlander. You'll just have to go faster than me.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by Walter on 5/16/2001 at 5:29:40 PM
I don't always turn that gear too fast :) I took the clips off my pedals as I'm still adapting to the fixed gear nuances. I do enjoy it and the only time I've fallen over was when I was trying to ride backwards. The things we'll do to impress our 5 year old kids! I'm still working on the dismount Sheldon Brown described where you basically step off the pedals and grab the seat as the bike still goes forward.

   fixed gear posted by John E on 5/16/2001 at 8:34:14 PM
Being less hard-core than you guys, I still think it would be fun to come up with some sort of multiratio fixed gear, either an internal epicycle or something like a Campy Cambio Corsa, with a one-way cable-controlled clutch for coasting, dismounting, and/or shifting. I just can't face a 12-percent grade in an 88-inch gear.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by Ed on 5/17/2001 at 5:02:53 AM
Re: Confusing headset and hubset,don;t worry about it. I do things like that all the time and I'am only sixty-eight years old.

   Worries posted by Walter on 5/17/2001 at 10:05:37 AM
I'm glad confusing headset and hubset isn't all that uncommon, though I'm still concerned that I did it in 2 posts in a row. As they say when looking at cars, "it's not the years, it's the mileage." I'm afraid I've spun my odometer pretty hard. :)

John, interesting ideas. As I'm sure you know derailleurs aren't possible b/c they can't resist the backpedal pressure when stopping. Fixed gears on an internally geared hub are something I've seen described but doesn't address the issue of an occasional coast. Of course the simplest approach is flip-flop hub but it doesn't allow for the sudden change of mind does it?

Of course you could join me down here in SE Fla where the only hills are bridges. :)

   multispeed fixed gear posted by John E on 5/17/2001 at 11:09:03 AM
Hi Walter -- Even on the flats, I like having gears to accommodate various wind and fatigue conditions. The best I can come up with for a multispeed fixed gear is either the Sturmey-Archer 3-speed ACS (a truly rare bird, now apparently worth hundreds of dollars per copy) or a Campy Cambio Corsa (an equally rare, pricey object d'art which requires special toothed dropouts and axle) with a to-be-designed hand-controlled lockup clutch on the freewheel. The ACS would be particularly attractive if it has a free-spinning neutral position between 2nd and 3rd gear, as on a standard S-A 3-speed hub. However, since the ACS is derived from the S-A 4-speed (two reduction, one direct, no overdrive), I do not know whether this is the case.

   RE:multispeed fixed gear posted by Walter on 5/18/2001 at 4:46:22 AM
John: I've heard of the SA and read Sheldon Brown's description of it but have never seen one. I too don't know of a neutral setting. The old Campy system is probably a museum piece only and from what I've read of it that's a good thing. Not that I wouldn't mind finding 1 in a garage sale. :) Internal gears have made a comeback with 7 speeds out there and I think even a 9 speed. Our solution couldn't be as simple as screwing a track cog onto one of those could it? You'd have to use LocTite as it wouldn't be threaded for a lockring but lots of people make budget fixed gears on freewheel bikes that way.

Now that I think of it it wouldn't work b/c such a thing wouldn't be "fixed" would it? It's not the cog that coasts but the internal mechanism. Oh well, I'll leave this up if you want to brainstorm with it.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sunshine Hubs? posted by Bill Putnam on 5/18/2001 at 11:59:21 AM
John, although the ASC hub is rare and expensive, Sheldon
Brown has an article detailing how to convert a Sturmey
AW hub to a 2 speed fixed gear
It looks pretty straightforward with only a couple of
parts needing machining, as long as you have cutters
that can handle the hardened steel. You might be able
do the same with a Sturmey S5 5 speed hub or Four speed
hub and get a 3 speed fixed gear that way, although
I'm not sure if there's enough room on the planet
cage to machine a groove since there are 3 planet
gears rather than four. I would suggest starting on an AW
since they're so plentiful unlike the four or five
speed hubs. I believe with this modification
there would be a "neutral" position but I would
not advocate using this in practice especially
with a fixed gear-you could tear up the clutch
and pinion pins pretty quickly.

I suggest reading Sheldon Brown's general article on
Fixed Gear riding as well:

   multispeed fixed-gear posted by John E on 5/22/2001 at 1:35:09 PM
Thank you Bill. Yes, I have seen Sheldon's article, and I just might try out the modification the next time I spot a 3-speed at a yard sale or thrift shop. I will be interested to see how well it shifts without the freewheeling capability.

AGE / VALUE:   Age Bianchi posted by: Ed on 5/15/2001 at 10:37:29 AM
I'am interested in determining the approximate age of a Bianchi 12 speed which I purchased used from a local bike shop about three years ago.The bike was taken in trade by a branch other than the one I bought from and the salesperson didn't know any history on it.The color is brown with gold lettering. The serial # located under the bottom bracket is AS24235,it is equiped with 700C Aray chrome wheels,Suntour cyclone MII derailers. There is a gold decal on each side of the seat tube,near the top with the word Plagio encloesd in a septogon. the word Limited appears on both sides of the top tube near the front of the bike. The traditional Eduardo Bianchi decal with the eagle appears on the head tube. Bianchi in large gold letters appears on both sides of the down tube.Did Bianchi ever make a bike designated as a Limited? I've never heard of a Bianchi Limited,but that doesn't mean much. All the coponents on the bike appear to be original,but I have no way of knowing weather or not they are. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have any suggestions as to how I might find out how old the bike is or anyone familier with a Bianchi Limited. Thanks Ed.

    Bianchi ltd posted by John E on 5/15/2001 at 12:23:56 PM
Hi Ed,
Bianchi has made several "Limited" models over the years. Your rig sounds sounds like a somewhat newer version of my 1982, which has the same color scheme, Campy NR derailleurs, Ofmega cranks and hubs, and the serial number at the top of the seat tube. Mine has a Columbus Tretubi ("3 tubes rinforzati [butted]") frame, weighs 22 lbs, and is a delight to ride. I would guess yours to be a mid-1980s model. What crankset and chainring combination do you have? ("Bianchi" cranks are rebranded Ofmegas.) You may also wish to contact Cycle Utah's Classic Corner, since the editor knew quite about my Bianchi and associated the brown color with the Limited model name.

   RE: Bianchi ltd posted by Skip Echert on 5/15/2001 at 4:42:38 PM
Hello Ed -
According to Brank Berto's "The Dancing Chain" The Cyclone II rear d. was first available in 82. There is no specific mention of the Cyclone MII, but I also have an MII on one of my bikes. Sounds like a good solid bike. Any indication of frame material? The "Plagio" decal is about in the right place, but I have never heard of such a tubing.

   RE:RE: Bianchi ltd posted by John E on 5/15/2001 at 7:57:26 PM
Ed mentioned to me that it is built with Ishiwata tubing, making me strongly suspect this is one of the Japanese-built Bianchis from the mid-to-late 1980s. As always, the bottom bracket threading will determine the country of origin.

AGE / VALUE:   Triplex Derailleurs? posted by: desmo on 5/15/2001 at 1:37:00 AM

Campy clone derailleur set with shifters and cable guides up on eBay. NOS w/ box, anyone familiar with these?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Triplex Derailleurs? posted by Keith on 5/15/2001 at 5:37:09 AM
I have a set of these -- although they look like Campy clones, the parts are not all interchangeable with NR shifters. The levers look okay, but they are cheaply made.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Triplex Derailleurs? posted by Oscar on 5/15/2001 at 12:31:46 PM
Shipping on this item is $12.50. Must be heavy.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Triplex Derailleurs? posted by Jim on 5/16/2001 at 7:02:47 AM
They are great looking and the only cycling component I've ever seen from Spain. They're good for a "Sunday" bike, as they didn't hold an adjustment for long. The steel hanger was as mushy as the the questionable alloy sections. The cyclery I was with in the '70's sold them, and we replaced most of them within weeks with early Suntour mech's which blew everything else away.

   Triplex Derailleurs posted by John E on 5/16/2001 at 10:09:27 AM
Zeus also is Spanish, I believe. I agree with your opinion regarding SunTour derailleurs, which I still use.

AGE / VALUE:   L/Ws from WW2 era posted by: sam on 5/14/2001 at 6:24:10 PM
I'll need help on this one.Sat. I bought a L/W bike (ww2 era)U.S. made ,has black out front & rear hubs as well as black crank,sprocket,& head tub cups.No head badge,no decals-owner sanded and painted bike.The original front sprocket looks like a huffman-dayton,but I though only Columbia made L/Ws in ww2.The serial number starts with an H(is that for huffman?)H167651--O.K. any guesses or clues to look for?26" wheels with rear face drop outs.HELP--sam

AGE / VALUE:   Thanks! posted by: Wings on 5/13/2001 at 12:05:34 AM
I had my first flat yesterday on my 20 inch rear recumbent wheel. Sachs 3x7 hub. The Sachs was shifting a little off.
The SIS was a little sluggish. (1) I moved the axle forward 4 to 4 mm. (2) I added one drop of oil on the little chain for the Sachs hub. Put everything together. I had to back off the rear derailer adjust a quarter turn. The shifting was faster and more precise than ever. The Sachs also was crips and on the money! Both of these ideas came from posts on this board. Thanks! What a pleasure to ride that bike today!
Also on squeaky brake pads. I had a pair of squeaky brake pads on a mountain bike that I refurbished that would not stop chattering. Cleaned rims, sanded pad. I could not tweak the pads on these cantis. So, I put the pads in a vice and used a wood rasp (parallel close grooves) (sounds bad!) on them as a last resort! I road tested the bike and they were so quiet and worked great! I don't know if I was lucky or the rasp brought up some fresh rubber.
Thanks for all the good advice which equals "Know How"!

AGE / VALUE:   painted wheels posted by: sam on 5/12/2001 at 7:45:02 PM
any idea where to get 26x1 3/8 painted steel rims?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   painted wheels posted by Schwinnderella on 5/12/2001 at 8:23:27 PM
Used or new? Color? Condition?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   painted wheels posted by sam on 5/13/2001 at 7:12:34 AM
Used is ok.I plan to put them on a columbia light weight from the 1940s.I will repaint--sam

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Hercules Bicycle - Birmingham, England posted by: Gralyn on 5/12/2001 at 9:17:36 AM
I found an old bicycle. The owner said the fram dated back to the 1920's. The plate on the front of the bike says Hercules...Birmingham, England. Where can I find some information about this bicycle company...and about how to date this bicycle?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Hercules Bicycle - Birmingham, England posted by Ed on 5/12/2001 at 6:10:09 PM
I believe that Hercules Was an independent manufacturer of bicycles who enjoyed a good reputation,even being ridden to a Tour de France win in the mid fifties. If my info is correct The company was acquired by Raleigh in 1962 which continued to manufacture Hercules bikes into the seventies at least. I'am no bicycle historion and my info may not be 100% accurate, but I do own a 1969 Hercules and did a little research after buying it. You can find pictures in the Retrocycle section of Readers Web pages on this sight. Also you may want to visit Sheldon Brown's Sight for alot more info than I have and probably more detailed and accurate also. Good luck with your Hercules.I've enjoyed mine alot.Ed.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Hercules Bicycle - Birmingham, England posted by sam on 5/12/2001 at 7:35:03 PM
try a post under the english roadesters group--be sure to include the tire size(28" or 26")and the type of rear hub.also decribe the head badge---sam

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I own a '72 Schwinn Speedster ?? posted by: John B. on 5/12/2001 at 8:26:02 AM
I own a '72 Schwinn "Speedster" I think it is, but it was missing the chainguard. The has 20" S-6 wheels and the frame looks like all the other Speedsters I found on Ebay but it's smaller. Is there anybody out there that can tell me what shape of chainguard? or could send me some pics. of thier 20" Speedster. Is this bike rare? It's not in the greatest of shape. Please Help me out if you can, Thank you very much!!!! JB.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   I own a '72 Schwinn Speedster ?? posted by Wings on 5/12/2001 at 11:55:18 PM
The first 20 inch wheel speedster I can find was made in 1959. I do not have information for the 70's. I wonder if the chain guard would be a smaller version of the adult speedster. Maybe the Schwinn cite would be of help.

WANTED:wing nuts posted by: chris on 5/12/2001 at 1:02:22 AM
Hi anyone out there know where I can get hold of old style wing nuts for old type bikes?any help welcome.thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   Carlton Track Bike posted by: Tom on 5/11/2001 at 11:07:54 PM
I met a guy today who has an old Carlton Track Bike. He claims it is from the 40's. I am going to look at it next week. I have not heard of this bike. Does anyone know what I am to look for, markings, numbers, tires, rims, bars etc. He said it had the headbadge with the guy riding the racer on it, Williams cottered crank, Brooks saddle. He said it has a number 47 on the seatpost lug. Is this bike a rare one and what would it's value be. He claims it is almost mint.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Carlton Track Bike posted by WARREN on 5/12/2001 at 5:25:08 PM
There was one on e-bay some weeks ago...dark red, beautiful condition but I don't know what it went for. If it is what you say it is and it sounds all original, that bike should easily fetch six hundred US and could net twice that, (or more) to the right collector of fine english bikes. That is however, the opinion of a vintage bike enthusiast and not a dealer or expert.

I know that I say this often but...nice bike!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Carlton Track Bike posted by sam on 5/12/2001 at 7:44:05 PM
I'd contact Chistopher Robin under the English roadester group he might know or have photos to help you.If it's a real carlton expect to pay big,they were one of the best English bike builders.They were bough by Raleigh.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Carlton Track Bike posted by Chris Wright on 5/16/2001 at 6:10:18 AM
They are really nice handmade bikes (so nice in fact that the factory went on in the 60s and 70s to make Raleigh's Internationals and Competitions). Try looking on www.cyclesdeoro.com in their Classic Rendezvous section as there is a section on Carltons there. I have two frames - one early 60s and one 70s and both have the 'hunched' cyclist on the headbadge so it may not be 40s but its definitely handbuilt!!
As for prices: I'm in the UK so its a little easier to find them here, but the 60s one was complete but very tatty for about $60 and the 70s one was just frame (with chromed forks), GB headset and Brooks saddle only for about $30.
But having said that, I got lucky with these bargains and in my opinion, they are worth more than that -the saddle alone is worth what I paid for one of the frames!!

AGE / VALUE:   Bike Year posted by: Tony O on 5/11/2001 at 9:29:34 PM
I have a schwinn Travler 10 speed(serial # K629965 on the left rear axle dropout)made in Japan,that I would like to find out it's year. I was told that you can't go by schwinn's regular codes because it has to many letters and numbers. Any help would be Great! Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bike Year posted by Ed. on 5/12/2001 at 6:24:00 PM
My information on Schwinn bike dating would indicate that your Traveler was made in Oct.1976.Good luck with your Schwinn. Ed.

AGE / VALUE:   That Supersport on eBay is nice. posted by: Brian.K on 5/11/2001 at 2:27:23 PM
Hello, There is a very nice old supersport on ebay right now. its #1143889282 I'm thinking about bidding on it? Can some of you experts please tell me what a fair price would be on a bike like that? I owned almost the same bike but that was over 20 years ago. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Brian.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   That Supersport on eBay is nice. posted by bill on 5/11/2001 at 3:23:03 PM
Brian, i have seen many super sports at bike shows & the price is always different. anywhere from $100 to $200 would be a safe bet. that is a real nice bike. expect to pay top dollar.

   .Supersport on eBay is nice. posted by John E on 5/11/2001 at 6:43:26 PM
It's the same seller who got $832 for that pristine 1960 Schwinn Continental last year. This one appears to be in equally good "time warp" condition.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   That Supersport on eBay is nice. posted by Walter on 5/12/2001 at 6:35:48 AM
That bike looks brand new! I remember assembling Varsities and Continentals towards the end of the 70s and they didn't shine any more than that one. I wonder, Schwinn did overproduce some of their bikes, is there still boxed up NOS out there anywhere? I don't think Schwinn overprodeuced the Supersports though.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   That Supersport on eBay is nice. posted by Kevin on 5/12/2001 at 6:44:55 AM
Hi. Isn't she a beaut! I was at the Ann Arbor show a couple weeks ago. I saw a guy picked up a 73 Super Sport in Sunset Orange. Not as pristine, but in very good condition. I love the Opaque Blue on the eBay bike also. Good luck on your quest and enjoy. Kevin

   Supersport posted by John E on 5/12/2001 at 6:54:23 PM
It's a pity Schwinn saddled that fillet-brazed CrMo frame with standard Continental components, although at least they had the decency to use aluminum rims. Without the big heavy chrome spoke- and chain-guards and TwinSticks, and with decent aluminum bars and cranks, it would have been better able to compete with the lightweight imports.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   That Supersport on eBay is nice. posted by Gary on 5/12/2001 at 9:43:55 PM
Freind of mine came back from an estate sale with what appeared to be one of the first Schwinn Continental 10 speeds made. Looked like fresh out of the box. was all the old style lettering and very cool. HE asked me and i told him the value was just going up on them and to wait. This spring i went out to his place and there it lay in the mud, right where he tossed it out 2 years ago. Nearly Destroyed. I asked him and he told me he could care less. Fuuny isnt it? from pristine original to scrap metal just by changing hands. However i did collect it up tuned it back up and my little brother is riding it. Chrome looks like shit now though.

   1960 Conti posted by John E on 5/14/2001 at 1:10:55 PM