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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   1951 Campagnolo Gran Sport posted by: desmo on 5/28/2001 at 1:10:59 PM

Check out the bid price!

   first-year value posted by John E on 5/28/2001 at 5:40:02 PM
Thanks for sharing! Notice that later Gran Sports, often in better shape, typically go for about $30 or so. Ah -- the first-year mistique!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1951 Campagnolo Gran Sport posted by Walter on 5/29/2001 at 6:18:52 PM

It made me go look through my old parts stash again. Nothing like that. Oh well.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Found a Bianchi posted by: Wayne on 5/27/2001 at 7:59:52 PM
Well, it seems I have done it again! This time a Bianchi of
indeterminate age followed me home. (Actually, I found it
being discarded in the trash). I am wondering if it is a keeper?
My guess at its age is late '70s. It has Suntour AR front
and rear derailleurs, and an SR crankset with Diacombe 500
brakes. The only identification number on it is on the
bottom of the bottom bracket and is DS489128.
Again, I am in Canada, and for all I know this may be a locally
made bike with Bianchi decals.
Any info or help would be greatly appreciated.

   Japanese Bianchi posted by John E on 5/28/2001 at 10:59:32 AM
I think it's an early 1980s Japanese-made Bianchi. If the BB is English-threaded, that would clinch the identification, but the Japanese components and BB-mounted serial number make it highly probable. The frame is probably Ishiwata or Tange double-butted CrMo. Although it lacks the collectibility of the genuine Italian article, it should be a very nice-riding bicycle (and worth every penny YOU paid for it!!!), and those old SunTour derailleurs are superb (so to speak). Congratulations. (All I ever got out the trash was a 1975 women's Varsity and a Montgomery Ward 5-speed of about the same vintage.)

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Suntour Derailleur posted by: MilanoMike on 5/27/2001 at 5:32:09 PM

I am fixing up a Motobecane Jubilee Sport. I got it for free! Its in really nice shape, Vitus 888 tubing (probably just main 3 tubes), mostly Suntour and SR components. It will be for my nephew to use while in college. Since it was free, it has been mucked with. It has a long cage Suntour rear derailleur with a standard 42/52 up front. I really need a standard short cage derailleur. I have found a Suntour Sprint, looks pretty nice in the photo, anybody familiar with these. I know the cyclones and GT's, but not the sprint. Thanks for your help.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Suntour Derailleur posted by Walter on 5/27/2001 at 6:20:23 PM
The Sprint was a good derailleur. I'd say on a par with the Cyclone and as I recall was considered a higher line model, under the Superbe lineup. I'm sure othrs will give you more specifics but if the price is reasonable +/- 15$ you'll be ok.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Suntour Derailleur posted by log on 5/27/2001 at 8:03:11 PM
Let me know what you want for the long cage suntour you are replacing. I need one.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Suntour Derailleur posted by Skip Echert on 5/28/2001 at 9:05:20 PM
Hello Mike -
The Sprint came out in about 86. Essentially an improved (or rebadged) version of the Cyclone II. I believe it was not indexed. It is a quality component. Walter's price is about right, but you may find one for less.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Suntour Derailleur posted by Warrren on 5/29/2001 at 5:26:21 AM
FWIW, I think the Sprint is an oustanding derailleur. I've got one that has lasted 16 years...many of it commuting through four seasons. It's outlasted two frames and now sits in the drawer awaiting it's next mount. I think it's closer to Superbe quality than Cyclone...not that it matters.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   adapting to Nervar 128mm BCD posted by: John E on 5/27/2001 at 3:11:48 PM
Following Bill's suggestion (see an earlier thread in the archives), I just adapted a Shimano 44T, 130mm BCD chainring to work with my Nervar crankset (obsolete proprietary 128mm BCD, for which replacement parts are very scarce). Since the BCDs differ by 2mm, I needed to elongate each mounting hole and its countersink inward by 1mm. Coincidentally, the radii of the countersinks exceed those of the mounting holes by 1mm. Using a dremmel tool, I ground each mounting hole inward to the lip of the countersink, then carefully extended each countersink. It worked beautifully, and particularly since it is the inside ring, the surgery is virtually invisible.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Logan Minter on 5/27/2001 at 1:30:57 PM
My firend has an old JOHN DEERE bike of some kind and he wanted to know if anyone kneww anything about them. the hub is like a three speed, but it is a two speed.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by sam on 5/27/2001 at 6:28:47 PM
If this bike is indeed a 2-speed you should really give it a good look over and give us more details.It maybe a bendix from the 50s or a new departure from the 30s.with more info I'm sure someone can direct you where to get help--sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Paul Aslanides on 5/28/2001 at 7:33:03 AM
Hey! This sounds interesting. Massey-Harris bicycles were
popular here in Australia, many years ago, but I didn't
know John Deere made them too. Can you give us more info.
on that rear hub? Any brand name? Model No. Origin?
There were many two-speed hubs, years ago, prior to WW1,
some gave a step-up gear (besides normal or direct drive),
and some gave a step-down. Then again, it could be a later
Sturmey Archer hub. Fixed or freewheel? Could be a real
collectable, that bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by log on 5/28/2001 at 4:47:15 PM
Thanks for the info! I will ask him to tell me what is written on it(I've never seen it for myself).

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Cal on 5/29/2001 at 5:26:14 AM
There is a guy on the links page here who specializes in John Deer bicycles, FYI.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Super Courses posted by: Schwinnderella on 5/26/2001 at 2:06:34 PM
I recently added two Raleigh Super courses to my growing collection. I have checked the Retroraleighs page , but the serial numbers there do not seem to match mine. The first bike is green with Huret and #225381.Looking at the retroraleighs page this one seems to be earlly 70's. The second is Brown ,Simplex equiped and #0033448. I think this one is probably a 73 or 74. Do the serial numbers indicate the year? Anywhere else I can look on the web? Thanks in advance.

AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by: dave on 5/26/2001 at 10:56:14 AM
I picked up a very nice looking Atala this weekend. Yellow and green with nice chrome. Serial number is 71A1043, Campy dropouts, front DR is the pushrod type, probably Valentino, rear DR is Campy Gran Turismo, Campy shifters and cable guide, Record leather saddle (don't know much about these ...) 3 TTT stem,
Stronglight cranks (either 57 or 63), french pedals, probably Lyotard, nice Silca pump in a green that is a close match to the frame color, Weinmann center pulls, levers I assume are Weinmann but can't can't really tell. Wheels are Campy high flange hubs on Ambrosio rims and freewheel is Caimi (?). Tubing is Columbus
(Tubi Rinforzati Garantiti). Really nice looking bike, 57 cm c-c seat tube. I guess given the wheels I would have expected a better DR set. My guess is the 71 in the serial number is the year, which would about match with the time frame of the DRs. Anybody have more info on
these bikes? I know they are not top flight Italian machines, but it would seem a shame to part it out.

   Atala posted by John E on 5/26/2001 at 12:35:46 PM
Don't underestimate your Atala! It is no Colnago or Masi, but any double-butted (rinforzati) Columbus / Campy Italian frame of that vintage can't be bad. If it was built as a touring/recreational machine with wide-range gears, a 26T Campy NR rear derailleur would not have been an option; hence the Gran Turismo, which, as you note, is simply not in the same class. If it were mine, I would save all old parts, upgrade to a 7-speed Sachs Aris freewheel and nicer used Campy derailleurs, and enjoy the ride.

   Weinmann brake handles posted by John E on 5/26/2001 at 12:40:03 PM
Weinmann brake handles have red (sometimes gold/yellow) pivot cylinders which show through each side of the housing, unless hidden by rubber hoods. The only exact copies I have seen are the Japanese DiaCompes, which were introduced during the very late 1960s.

   RE:Weinmann brake handles posted by Oscar on 5/26/2001 at 2:59:07 PM
I've seen 60's and 70's Atalas with both Weinmann and Ballila brakes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by sam on 5/27/2001 at 9:37:48 AM
I think our friends at www.cyclesdeoro.com have some info on atalas---sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Atala posted by dave on 5/28/2001 at 6:34:17 AM
thanks. as usual the cyclesdeoro page was helpful. looks like this is one model down from the top of the line. also maybe it was intended as more of a touring than racing bike. The body of the brake levers are larger and squarer than the typical Weinmanns and do not have
the red or gold pivots. the hoods are shot (had a wavy pattern on them) and replacement Weinmann hoods I looked into at the LBS would not have easily fit. The levers are also a smooth finish, not pebbled.
Also, any info on Record saddles? BTW, this bike was a $15 church rummage sale find.

   Atala posted by John E on 5/29/2001 at 7:32:29 AM
>this bike was a $15 church rummage sale find

Ah -- that's always the best part!

AGE / VALUE:   Age of Schwinn Traveler 12sp road bike posted by: Doug Kilen on 5/26/2001 at 8:20:24 AM
I just picked up a Schwinn Traveler 12sp road bike at a garage sale the other day for $30. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the year of manufacture? From the front it is red, then fades to silver, then back to red. It has 700c x 25 wheels, and Shimano Exage Motion components , with the brake cables hidden under the handlebar tape. The # on the Badge is 3228, and the # under the crank housing is SI(letter I)709871, with the first 7 being VERY faint and not looking like the other #'s. Any ideas?
It's in absolutely great shape and rides like a beauty!
Thanks for your time.
Doug Kilen
Superior WI USA

   Age of Schwinn Traveler 12sp road bike posted by John E on 5/26/2001 at 12:25:59 PM
3228 = 322nd day of 19_8. Since it's 12 speeds, Exage, aero brakes, etc., it almost has to be 1988.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   NOISEY brakes posted by: Robert on 5/24/2001 at 12:35:06 PM
Went riding Saturday with my son. First hard use of the brakes produced a really bad chattering , shuddering squall from the rear pads. The front was without the chattering but made a high pitched squeal. Centerpull brakes with steel rims. Pads were installed last year and have less than 50 miles on them. Never noticed it before but this was the first time ever had to stop from any real speed. They are toed in at the front. I use the brand same pads on all my bikes without any problems. ( I don’t remember the brand name )

Anyone have a possible cause?


   noisy brakes posted by John E on 5/24/2001 at 1:53:19 PM
1) Lightly sand the pads, in case they have gotten glazed.
2) Make sure the pivots are tight, not sloppy.
3) Clean the sides of the rims.
4) Please post again if none of this helps.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   NOISEY brakes posted by GaryM on 5/24/2001 at 5:34:05 PM
I fix this all the time, its the angle of the shoes to the rim, simple adj, maybe also clean the rim

   NOISEY brakes posted by John E on 5/25/2001 at 6:28:45 AM
I agree completely, but he said he has already toed the fronts in. Of course, over time the pads will wear in such a manner as to undo the toe-in.

   RE:NOISEY brakes posted by Wings on 5/26/2001 at 11:31:34 PM
You mentioned chattering. Chattering occurs when the screws are not tight -- John mentioned this -- I just want to empahsize that point. I recently had a similar problem and did all that John mentioned to no avail. I took the pads off and put them in a vice: Tried sanding them to no avail and then I took a file to them and I think that caused some new rubber to show and they worked great and were very quiet! Perhaps they ended up in a new position also! Good luck!

   RE:RE:NOISEY brakes posted by RICKEY on 6/1/2001 at 8:24:55 AM
i use a wood wrasp fine finish to break the glaze on shoes also resurfaces shoes..

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Royal Enfield Firefly posted by: Drew on 5/24/2001 at 3:37:46 AM
I recently abtained a Royal Enfield Firefly 10 speed. Is this the Royal Enfield that made motorcycles? and what years did the sell bikes in the U.S., when did production stop? Any feedback would be helpfull, -Drew.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh Pursuit posted by: Ian Kersey on 5/23/2001 at 11:37:13 AM
Just acquired a near-mint Raleigh Pursuit 12 speed from 1986. Beautiful red bike with bronze headtube. Can anyone tell me what the heck is Raleigh 502 tubing (marketing speak for generic Cro-Mo?)and where the bike fits into Raleigh's line-up? I'm thinking of modifying it with nitto moustache bars to make an all-round rider to ride with family. Feedback appreciated.


AGE / VALUE:   WANTED: 1 NOS CONTINENTAL " SUPER SPORT " 27x1 1/4 tire posted by: Kevin on 5/23/2001 at 11:25:35 AM
Hi. I'm in need of an NOS Continental Super Sport 27x1 1/4 tire. The tire I have has a bronze/brownish sidewall with a yellow and green tire I.D. label, need a mate. If a Continental Gran Prix has the same sidewall color, I may be interested if I can't locate a tire to match the Super Sport. Thank you, Kevin

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   eBay: Steel Campy SP posted by: desmo on 5/23/2001 at 11:08:32 AM

Another rarity, Campy Record seatpost, 50s vintage in steel.

AGE / VALUE:   curious posted by: RICKEY on 5/22/2001 at 11:21:04 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   curious posted by gary on 5/22/2001 at 11:50:29 AM
i have a disk brake hub also, from the same type. I plan on using mine to produce a 21 speed chopper on 20 in tires.
you need to keep the bracket off the frame leg. i cannot see either of those ever going up in value.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   maserati frame posted by: jack on 5/21/2001 at 11:00:25 PM
i recently found a maserati frame in the trash. it is red and has campy dropouts. the filing on it is not so good and the model name is rubbed of. does anyone know who made the frames if maserati didnt and what tubing is used? is this the same company that made the cars? if any info, please email me. thanks.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   maserati frame posted by Kevin on 5/22/2001 at 3:39:45 PM
Hi. Don't take this as gospel, ok. Years ago I read a story that Maserati DID in fact produce bicycles. I've personally never seen one, and have long since lost the story on the manufacturer. No matter. I'm sure it is of some importance irregardless. Keep it! Kevin

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   maserati frame posted by Skip on 5/23/2001 at 5:21:29 PM
Hello Jack -

Sheldon Brown has a short paragraph on Maaserati bikes.


Good find!