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AGE / VALUE:   Steel Chainrings for sale posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/6/2001 at 11:49:32 AM
These are 5 pin Cyclo and Stonglight double chainrings 49 and 52 tooth. These are close together too. $25.00 PLUS SHIPPING E- mail ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com

   Steel Chainrings posted by John E on 5/6/2001 at 1:35:18 PM
I am potentially interested, Christopher. Are these compatible with the Stronglight 122mm BCD? Does the inner ring bolt or rivet to the outer one, as most steel doubles seem to, or do both mount directly on the spider, as with aluminum rings?

   RE:Steel Chainrings posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/6/2001 at 2:23:08 PM
Just got in a box full I will take inventory and contact you.

    Stronglight Steel Chainrings posted by ChristopherRobin@starmail.com on 5/7/2001 at 1:29:14 PM
Stronglight steel 47/52,45/52, Cyclo 52/36, Stronglight48/52 Raleigh 52/45 (all steel) no crank arms just the chainrings and bolts. 25.00 plus ship each

    Steel Chainrings posted by John E on 5/7/2001 at 7:20:47 PM
3-bolt or 5-bolt mounting?

   RE: Steel Chainrings posted by ChristopherRobin2starmail.com on 5/8/2001 at 11:00:55 AM
I hold the piece in my hand and there are two chainrings there, a larger outer one and a smaller inner one. There are six large holes where the spider attaches. E- mail me please I tried to get ahold of you, but it came back.

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot "folder" posted by: Jon on 5/5/2001 at 10:44:14 PM
The local Sal. Army Store was the source of my most recent bike which is a Peugeot "Nouvous Style" folder.
I thought it would be a nice addition to my "stable" of fine
rolling stock for in/out cruising the city. Does anyone know about Peugeot's effort to make a folder?
This one seemed fine as I coursed around the back lot of the store. After I bought it, the reality struck that
there were several points of concern to me. First, to steer around corners going at 5 mph, the rider has to use mostly
his upper torso to correct for lateral "g forces" as the drag-angle on the pedals are about 5 deg.!!
The ride seems "wavy" due to the elevated seat post which is at max. for me since I'm tall. The BB extends about 3 in. below the intersection of
the front/top tube and the parabolic seat/chain stays. This
seems rather oddly designed. The brake cable (rear) and R. derailleur cable pass
thru the front/top tube and emerge near the BB. The brake is under the
parabolic shaped chain/seat stay!. This arrangement cause crimping of the cables when the bike is
"halved" into the folded position. Maybe that's not a problem.
Wires for what must have been a headlamp and rear light (missing) are roved thru the tubes as well. There is a bracket for a generator
near the top of the tube that makes up the chain/seat stay.
Peugeot obviously produced this bike for a serious "commuter", but I am wondering
if it is comparable to the other folders as far as quality and attributes. I am not as impressed as I was when I first trucked it home. Also, the tires seem
a bit non-standard, which may be a problem. Any comments about this bike are apprciated before I
go "whole hog" trying to make it roadworthy. If it's an oddall collectible, then I guess it'll stay
unmodified as a conversation piece in my yard.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by Wings on 5/6/2001 at 12:06:11 AM
I do not know what your folder looks like.
I have a Motobecane Folder and I like it. One could say the frame is a parabola -- with no other support bars.
I also have a Raleigh folder and it is also good. I think I am partial to the Moto folder -- perhaps because I have used it longer.
What wheel size do you have? What tire size is on it?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by Jon on 5/6/2001 at 2:21:13 AM
Motobecane, yes that rings a bell. The Raleigh is probably a good bike, knowing/having 2 Raleigh products myself; a Record Ace and a 3-spd. Lady's (wife's bike).
The Peugeot seems like a mutt. The tires are 490's..some metric size, I guess.
The forks and headtube are ordinary enough. The connection of the headtube to the seatstube is one
elliptical tube that's about 2.5 in. by 1.5 in. X-section. This tube has a large flanged joint that serves as the
breakpoint to fold the unit. There is a knurlled compression
bolt that secures the joint; after a cam-lever has been turned to make a tight
connection. Pretty straightforward engineering there.
The bike gets a bit bizarre after that as the seat-tube is
an elliptical shape that's beefy looking enough. The BB sticks down by itself with only
the seat tube intersecting it. The front "member" sticks into the seat tube about 3 in. above the BB. Now, it gets wierder as you
see the rear support structure (lack of better term) which consists of a single
piece of tube on each side which is shaped like parabola with the dropouts fixed
at the apex of each; thus composing what would normally be the seat stay, chain stay and rear axle drop outs on a traditional frame.
I mean, was this a side projrct of some engineering think tank? Actually, it seems like a pretty cool
setup...if it works. I assume it had some field testing before releasing to the public.
Deselection of negative features is the rule with bikes as I know them. The bike
I ran the bike out to the local BMX "circuit" down by the marshes and ran it on the wickedest
run as a shakedown (more like shakeoff) cruise. Only rattled the already loose chainguard loose
from one screwdown. Oh, a brakepad got deposited somewhere along the way. I now have confidence in the
frame integrity, although I hope it wasn't a "fault-tolerant" test. It has a beefy Simplex derailleur
that's all metal; no plastic cheap-o model. The freewheel is 5 cog. The single chainwheel is quite
large; I'd say about 54 teeth minimum. Looks like a unique cottered crank; flush on the unthreaded
end. Never seen that before. The pedals swing down to about 1.5 in. at 6 o'clock
from the deck; thus the shallow drag-angle. Maneuverability is excellent at low speed, such as in an obstacle course
environment. Tomorrow, I'm going to give it a hill-climb test. It's got a 30+ rear large cog. The bike was hardly ridden judging by the original seat
condition and paint. Only problem was someone removed the electrical system, less the wires still inside the tubes. The condition of the
fixture anchors indicate that not much care was taken in the removal process. The fenders are chromed
steel. A large rack is screwed into brazed flanges as well as 2 brackets on the beefy fenders.
This bike is not light weight. I'll weigh it tomorrow, too.
That's about the log and short of the beast.
Let me know what you have to say.
Roll on,

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by Art on 5/6/2001 at 11:08:04 AM
To keep the French folding bike theme going, there is a Mercier on e-bay, 1140193192.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by Wings on 5/7/2001 at 11:03:25 PM
My Moto folder says "Riveira" on the little chain guard. I have a 3 speed SA hub instead of derailers. I put fatter tires on it -- the front fork had the room -- and for a long time just kept it in my truck. If I was in a nice place for a ride -- it was there and I used it. It has been along the coast and it has been in dirt. It has been a great folder although it looks strange and with me on it -- it appears even stranger. People really check us out! Bmx freestyle guys at the beach enjoy seeing it. Very simple and good riding bike! I wonder what a derailer would feel like?
Enjoy it!

MISC:NEW Wing Nuts posted by: chris furner on 5/5/2001 at 6:06:21 PM
Does anyone know where I can get wheel wing nuts for old bikes?

   RE:MISC:NEW Wing Nuts posted by dave on 5/7/2001 at 6:24:04 AM
Crhis ... I have a set of Huret wing nuts, not sure of the threading, but email me off list if interested.

MISC:   Centurion racing bike posted by: Bruce on 5/4/2001 at 7:54:11 PM
HELP, and QUICK! I found a Centurion racing bike listed in an estate auction to be held tomorrow 5/5/01 Any information on this would be helpful. Feel free to e-mail me as I will need to leave before 8:30 am tomorrow. Thanks!


   RE:MISC:   Centurion racing bike posted by Oscar on 5/4/2001 at 8:35:59 PM
Most of the Centurions that I have seen are "above average" to "good" Japanese road machines. The best way to ascess frame quality is by tubing stickers. CroMo? 4130? = "Above Average". "Ishikawa" (sp???) = Very good. Also look for component quality. Shimano 600? Above Average. Shimano Dura-Ace? Excellent.

Most importantly, if your looking for a good bike, make sure that the frame size if good for you. Good luck. Don't buy something you don't need. Don't let something good slip by.

   Centurion racing bike posted by John E on 5/5/2001 at 12:15:50 PM
Centurion made a wide range of road bicycles, starting with the very average (but decent) Le Mans, which had a very lightweight plain carbon steel frame and rather flimsy low-end Sugino aluminum cranks. Likewise, Ishiwata made a wide range of frame tubes over the years. Double-butted specimens from the 1980s should be good, but I was not impressed by their early 1970s offerings.

   RE:Centurion racing bike posted by Art on 5/5/2001 at 12:53:58 PM
I've seen older Centurions with fancy chrome lugs and plain versions with low end Shimano components. I found a TA Comp, with full Shimano 600 a couple of weeks ago, really cheap, that is so nice it's a keeper, and I don't need anymore keepers.

   RE:MISC:   Centurion racing bike posted by Bruce on 5/5/2001 at 5:41:40 PM
Thanks for all the information! I didn't get the bike. Lower end of the Centurion line. The paint was pretty beat up and some rust was starting. It sold for $32.50. Get this, out of TWO complete estates, it was the 5th thing sold. The auctioneer knew the guy bidding, didn't even ask him his number! I think it was a set up. Oh well, maybe next time! Thanks again for all help.


   auction set-up posted by John E on 5/5/2001 at 7:05:12 PM
Don't sweat it. The "set-up" buyer himself may have been set up! I have seen better bikes for less money at various yard sales.

   RE:MISC:   Centurion racing bike posted by George on 5/7/2001 at 11:48:22 PM
I have a Centurion road bike for sale. 22 or 23 " frame. Orange paint with some crome. Non original midddle grade components. Sloping fork crown. Referred to as Chinelli style frame.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Centurion racing bike posted by George on 5/7/2001 at 11:54:20 PM
My bike is a Centurion Pro

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret Jubilee Rear Derailer posted by: WIngs on 5/4/2001 at 12:53:26 AM
I asked about a Motobecane I found once -- a nice bike! During the posts it was mentioned that if the rear Huret derailer was a "JUBILEE" that it would make the bike really great. Well, I have never seen a JUBILEE. I checked Berto and saw a picture, but it just looked skinny.
Today, I saw an "ITALIA" bike and noticed a skinny derailer.
I cleaned it off with my finger and it was shiny under the oily dirt and had a word -- It was not JUBILEE. It was really simple. Two opposing screws for the stops and when I shifted -- it just moved back and forth in the same horizontal plane. I thought ... a JUBILEE can't be this simple. Now, with the picture in Berto in front of me -- I think it was a JUBILEE! The bike was all of $9.99 with no sales tax!!! But, I did not buy it -- had a Ben and Jerry's Ice Scream Bar instead -- really good! Did I mess up? Is that item that sought after? I have been looking at derailers for a year now hoping to see one -- now I am loosing sleep -- may need donuts if this continues!!!!
I need your advice. Should I go back and get that bike in the morning??? If I don't get it, that bike will be used as a beater by local workers and that derailer will be lost forever. Tell me how scarce that derailer is!
I am the guy who gave my pristine Phantom away!
I am the guy that gave my Varsity away 3 years ago -- which I bought in 1964 as a used bike -- it fits the special Varsentinals according to John E.
I don't want to miss the last Jubilee that is out there!!!!
Or should I?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret Jubilee Rear Derailer posted by Mike Slater on 5/4/2001 at 5:25:47 AM
Skip the donuts...forget ice cream!! The bike is only $9.99....if it looks interesting, pick it up. If it turns out not to be what you thought, you can always get rid of it or part it. I don't beleive the rear Jubilee derailer had any identification on it (I will have to check the one I have). The front Jubilee derailer says "Huret" on it and is pretty nice. You can still pick these up used, but the prices I have seen tend to be too high!

I will almost always buy a interestion bike if it is $10 or less. I just picked up a low end Peugeot mixte frame 3-speed (Sturmey Archer laced to a 27"rim) for $8...turns out my wife really likes this thing. Ya just never know.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret Jubilee Rear Derailer posted by Mike Slater on 5/4/2001 at 5:33:08 AM
Forgot... go to this web page to see photos of Jubilee derailers.

   go for it! posted by John E on 5/4/2001 at 7:23:11 AM
If they are in good condition, the derailleurs alone are worth more than the ante. Two Capo owners can't be wrong (or can we?) -- at that price, if a bike interests you, go get it!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret Jubilee Rear Derailer posted by Wings on 5/4/2001 at 10:12:42 AM
Thanks Guys!
Mike thanks for the web page -- I just found out I have a jubilee on my Raleigh Competition that is hanging up in the garage! One of the pictures on the web page was it! Also indicating it was the first. But the one I saw yesterday was different. It had to be older! The bike did not interest me and I was in one of those look for bike mood days and at the same time in fear that I would come home with another bike! So, I have a nice JUBILEE in great shape on that competition -- I never could nail it down before. Berto, Upgrading Your Bike, 1988 had a picture of what I saw yesterday. The two stop screws aiming at each other on a flat plate with the derailer moving between the two -- such a simple concept! Hmm, I may go back.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Huret Jubilee Rear Derailer posted by Wings on 5/4/2001 at 9:33:53 PM
After looking again at the small Berto picture of the derailer -- it has the two screws parallel with the heads out. So the one I saw yesterday was not the Jubilee pictured in Berto or on the web. However it was interesting in it's simple concept. A chrome plate with screw heads in line with each other. The threaded points of the screws pointing at each other with the derailer swinging back and forth between the tips of the screws (the stops). The heads of the screws were inline, at the extreme opposite ends of the plast. Very unusual. I did not go in and get the bike.
I have too many bikes. I still am curious about what appears to be a very early Huret rear derailer.
Thanks for all your help!!!

AGE / VALUE:   w e. crist - tricyclist racer - 1880's posted by: randy on 5/3/2001 at 3:48:48 PM
Have an old tobacco card ( N29 series of World Champions ) published by Allen & Ginter - showing an image of W. E. Crist - Tricyclist (handsome guy). 50 champions were in the set of cards including William Harradon, cyclist; Ralph Temple, champion trick rider and F. F. Ives, 100 mile record winner all dated circa 1888 1889. Who was Mr. Crist? He was in England for a race with Stillman G. Whittaker "Whit" in 1888 (info from Buck Peacock ). There was a W. E. Crist who graduated in 1922 Law degree from Ohio Northern U. - maybe a relative of my ancestor, Lucinda Crist, born 1851 Vigo CO,. Ind. The resemblance to her is uncanny. She was daughter of George E. Crist and Lucinda Duckworth. Was W. E. Crist a son of one of George's brothers ??- William H. Crist or Harvey Crist or Stephanis A. Crist or John Calvin Crist or Samuel Eldrich Crist or George Jackson Crist?? Could anyone refer me to info about W. E. Crist? thanks - may need to reach me at
randypace@earthlink.net or randy.pace@cityofhouston.com

AGE / VALUE:   Teledyne Titanium posted by: Art on 5/3/2001 at 12:00:48 PM
e-bay 1141297181 Oddly written description but several interesting photos.

AGE / VALUE:   continue JC Higgins posted by: Samantha on 5/3/2001 at 9:45:36 AM
Also, there is a metal plaque attached to the left side of the back tire that says "Made In USA - Bendix" if that helps any. Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   Sears/JC Higgins posted by: Samantha on 5/3/2001 at 9:40:01 AM
I recently acquired an old JC Higgins bike at an auction. I have no idea if it is of any value or not, it is rusted and in pretty bad condition. I had thoughts of restoring it, and am curious as to the year. The problem is, I have no idea where the serial # would be, or if it would be visible with all the rust. If anyone could tell me where to find the serial, and perhaps help me date it, I would appreciate it. (Note: I have looked at all the JC Higgins pics on this site and the one I have appears older, simpler design, etc and a package carrier above the front tire.)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sears/JC Higgins posted by Wings on 5/4/2001 at 12:52:38 AM
The metal placque you mention in an above post is part of the coaster brake. Bendix was common in the 70's. I do not know where to date j.C. Higgins by serial number. However, I have a J.C. Higgins Colorflow and have pictures of J.C. Higgins bikes. Could you give more information? Describe the badge on the front that says "J.C. Higgins." Also give the size of the tires (Narrow or baloon) -- the actual size would be best to know? Also describe the design of the bike (straight bars or curved). Perhaps we could then give you more information.

AGE / VALUE:   of possible interest. posted by: Gary on 5/2/2001 at 9:58:32 PM
picked up 2 10 speeds, one is a Montgomery wards 1976 Olympic commemorative edition, the other is an Iverson Both from same home same age. If either one of these has any interest to anyone, i havent seen many nicer. cheap

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What is it posted by: Burtt on 5/2/2001 at 2:03:13 PM
A friend came across an Austro Daimler at a moving sale. The bike was given to me by a friend who knew I liked bikes I cannot find what it is or how old it is I know it has Austro Daimler and SL there is nothing else about model name. It has Shimano 600 with ten speeds

   check the archives posted by John E on 5/2/2001 at 6:41:27 PM
Austro-Daimler was a good-to-excellent (depending on the model) brand made by Steyr-Daimer-Puch of Graz, Austria. There have a been a few A-D threads in this forum, and cyclesdeoro.com's classicsrendezvous.com has some data, as does sheldonbrown.com. Tell us more about the equipment and decals to be sure, but I am guessing ca. 1984. If it fits you, it's a keeper!

AGE / VALUE:   MIYATA ALUMITECH ( Aluminum) 6500 posted by: Kevin on 5/2/2001 at 8:28:52 AM
Hi. I'm selling a Miyata aluminum 6500 for a friend. Shim. 105 equipted and in pretty good, but used (ridden) condition. What's a fair price to ask for the bike ? Thank you, Kevin

AGE / VALUE:   Suntour Gt Rear derailler posted by: Gary on 5/1/2001 at 3:34:05 PM
I just got in a pretty nice condition Suntour GT rear Derailler. its on an axle mount adaptor, and is also a hanger mount. Its a Maeda number 4532 on the adaptor. its stock on a lot of middle class 10 speeds from the 70s, would look nice on a restored bike. works perfect, and not corroded.

AGE / VALUE:   BENT RIM posted by: Kevin on 5/1/2001 at 11:13:03 AM
Hi.I purchased an old stock Rigida alloy rim that is bent inward, very lightly, on the surface of the rim where the brake pad would press. The length of the area in question is 7" long total. I would like some advice on how to tackle straightening out this bend. Also, looking for an old stock 27x1-1/4 Continental Super Sport tire. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BENT RIM posted by Warren on 5/1/2001 at 5:15:43 PM
Do you mean NOS or used stock? I think the prevailing wisdom is ...don't. This rim has had some unknown damage...the likelihood of being able to spoke it and get it really true is smaller, therefore making it even more dangerous. When I was younger, I suffered a rear wheel collapse, while braking and turning . It was fast, dramatic and frightening as I was beside traffic at the time.
Just my two cents.

   retire it; don't re-tyre it posted by John E on 5/1/2001 at 5:34:52 PM
Warren, I'll see your 2 cents and raise you another nickel. The flange of a wheel rim is under ALOT of pressure from the tyre bead, and cold-working dural back and forth weakens it rapidly. I am glad you did not suffer a front wheel collapse, and hope I never do.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BENT RIM posted by Keith on 5/2/2001 at 9:24:23 AM
Some things you can't and shouldn't recycle. Damaged rims are one of them.

AGE / VALUE:   Centurion Accordo posted by: Guy B. Meredith on 4/30/2001 at 7:57:15 PM
Looking for information on the Centurion Accordo.