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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Wanted: Peugeot large chain ring for PX-10 or similar ten-speed posted by: Mike Stone on 7/15/2001 at 10:22:52 AM
Anybody have a large chainring for a Peugeot PX-10 or PX-10 LE? This is the Stronglight type. I can e-mail you a photo of what I need.

I finally wore mine out.



   Wanted: Peugeot large chain ring for PX-10 or similar ten-speed posted by John E on 7/15/2001 at 1:42:41 PM
Hi Mike,
Anyone can wear out a small chainring. It takes a dedicated cyclist to wear out the large one! I assume you want a 122mm BCD Stronglight ring, although the precise model depends on your vintage. For example, my 1980 PKN-10E came with factory-drilled Sronglight B-9 rings. Stronglight rings do appear periodically on eBay. If I ever find a suitable 50T ring, I can give you my 52T.

   Thanks for the info, John E posted by Mike Stone on 7/16/2001 at 6:55:18 PM
My PEugeot is from the early '70's. The chainring I need is a 52 tooth. It isn't drilled out like the '80's version.

Mike Stone

   RE:Thanks for the info, John E posted by Wings on 7/17/2001 at 11:24:00 PM
I emailed you!

MISC:   Number on badge posted by: Robert on 7/15/2001 at 8:22:46 AM
My Speedster has the numbers 2236 on the badge next to the letter "I". What is the significance of these numbers?

   223rd day of 1986 (or 1976?) posted by John E on 7/15/2001 at 1:43:39 PM

   RE:223rd day of 1986 (or 1976?) posted by Oscar on 7/16/2001 at 10:21:00 AM
Waitaminute! Some Speedsters were imported? Something new everyday.

   RE:RE:223rd day of 1986 (or 1976?) posted by Robert on 7/17/2001 at 6:21:33 PM
Thanks for the info. It would be 1976. Imported? All the way from Chicago. For a Texan that's pretty durn foreign.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn World Sport posted by: BP on 7/15/2001 at 6:39:36 AM
Got a $3 World Sport 10 speed at a thrift store and was wondering when they were produced. Rear derailleur is not attached; does it go between the axle nut and the rear dropout. Finally, does anyone know of fenders that might fit on this bike?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   48 hole Phil hub set for trade posted by: Pete Husing on 7/14/2001 at 1:49:56 PM
I have a pair of Used (in pretty nice cond) 48 hole Phil hubs, These have been rebuilt and not built up since, 7 speed spacing, 70s vintage, quick release type axels. I will trade for any compairable 40 hole hub set.

MISC:   eBay tubulars posted by: Bob on 7/13/2001 at 3:45:42 PM
I have about four sets of wheels with tubular rims and I am stupid enough to ride them on the local streets from time to time -- so I am always on the look out for a good deal on tubular tires.
I thought eBay would be a good source. Unfortunately I have found a very high failure rate among eBay tubulars -- even those that are NOS (that's all I buy). Over half of them have failed within the first 50 miles -- blowouts, tread separations, not puctures.
This suggests to me that tubular tires have a "shelf life" and after that they become useless and dangerous.

By the way, in my current project I am looking for old (60s - 70s) French components. If youhave anything you are interested in selling drop me a note.
Anyone else had this expereince or have I just had a run of bad luck. Out of 6 tires one still holds air.

   eBay tubulars posted by John E on 7/13/2001 at 4:44:08 PM
> tubular tires have a "shelf life"

... as do inner tubes, clinchers, and brake pads. However, the problem is most acute with tubes and tubulars because of the way they are generally stored (folded and collapsed). The inner tubes of your tubulars probably blew out along the storage-induced crease lines. Tubulars and tubes should be stored unfolded and lightly inflated, but most people do not want to spare the necessary space.

By the way, please list precisely which French components you seek. I think I have surplus Mafac center-pull calipers, Peugeot-labeled Simplex derailleurs, French-threaded headset parts, French-threaded "rat-trap" pedals, French-threaded TA Professional (3-bolt) cranks with 52-42 rings, French-threaded Sugino BB cups, Peugeot-labeled Weinmann center-pull calipers, and a high-flange Normandy hub or two.

   RE:MISC:   eBay tubulars posted by Mike Slater on 7/13/2001 at 5:39:56 PM
As long as we are on the subject of tubulars, what brand/type would you recommend for general street riding?
Something in the sub$30 range maybe.

I am making my first foray into the tubular world and would really appreciate any recommendations. The Excel catalog had a Vittoria(sp) Rally for $20 - listed as a tire for heavy training. Any experiance with this?

   RE:MISC:   parts is parts posted by Bob on 7/14/2001 at 10:17:01 AM
>> By the way, please list precisely which French components you seek

French threaded pedals, prefer Lyotard & alloy.
Nevar Star alloy cranks & rings. Maybe TA or Stronglight cranks and rings if the price is right.
French threaded bottom brackets and headsets, prefer Stronglight or Campy (older narrow).
Simplex (or other) seatpost 25mm.
Brooks "honey" Professional saddle with large copper rivets.
Suntour Superbe sidepull brake calipers.
I might be interested in other Superbe stuff as well.

AGE / VALUE:   1972 SUPER SPORT FRONT AND REAR DERAILLEURS FOR SALE posted by: Kevin K on 7/13/2001 at 10:40:08 AM
See for sale section

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   502 Frame tubing posted by: Elvis on 7/12/2001 at 7:24:09 AM
Hi guys! I saw the question about 555 tubing, got a question of my own: What is 502 tubing? I have a nice silver Raleigh Record [I think late 70's or 1980's] with a cobalt blue head tube, Compagnolo Nuevo Record components and handlebars stamped "Raleigh USA". The bike has a decal for "502" tubing. Do you know much about it? All my other Raleighs have Reynolds 531, I never saw 502 before. I like the bike, and it handles well but I know the Record was the low-end bike of it's day. Is 502 junk tubing or what?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   502 Frame tubing posted by Tim Welsh on 7/12/2001 at 11:17:20 PM
I don't know about 502 tubing, but I think that if the components are original, then it must be a good bike. Nuovo Record parts go on the high-end stuff.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   502 Frame tubing posted by Tim Welsh on 7/12/2001 at 11:18:59 PM
I don't know about 502 tubing, but I think that if the components are original, then it must be a good bike. Nuovo Record parts go on the high-end stuff.

   502 Frame tubing posted by John E on 7/13/2001 at 6:50:14 AM
> I know the Record was the low-end bike of its day

That's what I recall, as well. Perhaps the Campy NR parts were after-market upgrades from the original Simplex or Huret. Does anyone else out there have a 501 or a 502 tubeset?

   RE:502 Frame tubing posted by Me on 7/15/2001 at 9:31:21 PM
The Campys were upgrades and 502 was made by Raleigh USA(Huffy)

AGE / VALUE:   chrome posted by: nick on 7/11/2001 at 11:13:19 PM
what would be the possible age of a full chrome fork that has a crown. the brand is tange with tange tpr lugs

AGE / VALUE:   hey posted by: harlem mansfield on 7/11/2001 at 11:13:19 PM
did you guys delete my questions

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 555 tubing posted by: Mike Slater on 7/11/2001 at 12:14:20 PM
Anybody know what kind of tubing "Raleigh 555" is??? It is on a older Raleigh that has a chrome fork,seatstays, chainstays and headtube. Bike looks great, but I cannot find any info on the 555 tubing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 555 tubing posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/11/2001 at 12:40:21 PM
You mean 531 Tubing don't you?
No longer produced tubing, it means the frame is light and most of the good machines had this tubing.

   Raleigh 555 tubing posted by John E on 7/11/2001 at 1:26:18 PM
I am sure he does mean "Raleigh 555," as written, rather than the more familiar "Reynolds 531," of which he owns several specimens. Raleigh 555 may be some sort of ordinary carbon steel, or perhaps it is a rebranded Reynolds 501 or 531. Has anyone else ever encountered this designation? If so, what were the approximate quality, weight, and age of the frame and any original components?

   RE:Raleigh 555 tubing posted by Brian L. on 7/11/2001 at 4:23:12 PM
I had, at different times, two different mid-80's Raleighs, both of Asian manufacture, nicely spec'd w/ Suntour components and built of Reynolds 555. This was a good-quality, double-butted chromoly tube set that I believe is described in Sheldon Brown's Raliegh pedigree site (or maybe I read about it somewhere else). Both of my bikes were labled "Raleigh Racing USA" and were obviously intended specifically for the market here in the States.

   RE:RE:Raleigh 555 tubing posted by Skip Echert on 7/11/2001 at 4:41:50 PM
Hello Mike -

I have a Raleigh "Wyoming" touring bike marked as having Raleigh 555t double butted chrome moly main tubes and chrome moly stays and forks. I estimate early to mid eighties. It is outfitted as a mid-level bike with Japanese components. Another sticker says it was designed and engineered by Raleigh USA and built in Taiwan. I also have wondered what Raleigh 555 is.

   Raleigh 555 tubing posted by John E on 7/11/2001 at 5:42:47 PM
It sounds as though Raleigh 555 is a good Japanese CrMo, perhaps from Ishiwata or Tange. Thanks for the education, everyone!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh 555 tubing on Ebay posted by Mike Slater on 7/11/2001 at 6:32:46 PM
Thanks for the info everybody. Found nothing on Sheldons site. Anyway.....heres the reason I'm asking: ebay #1164338304. Looks mighty pretty to me. This REALLY violates my $10 rule...but I am getting tired of Peugeots and Motobecanes....Hmmmmmmmm, maybe a Raleigh. Theres still 40 minutes left. Wife will probably upset. But it sure looks pretty!!

   Nice looking frame posted by Walter on 7/12/2001 at 9:22:19 AM
Just checked out the now closed auction. Pretty frame. If you went for it I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I seem to remember seeing the 555 designation on some mid-80s Raleighs in a bike shop once. Memory is fuzzy so I could be wrong but the bike I remember was sharp.

I threw away the 10$ rule a long time ago I'm afraid. I wish I could use it as it'd save me money but I check the thrift stores and my wife is a pretty regular garage-saler and we never see bikes WORTH more than 10$ Maybe noone around here ever rode good bikes?

   RE:Nice looking frame posted by Brian L. on 7/13/2001 at 8:34:11 AM
I have to correct myself. I checked the Reynolds site, and they offer a "525", but no 555. Then I checked the ebay site and saw for myself for the fact that the tubing sticker says "Raleigh 555". I'd have to agreed with the Japanese or Taiwanese origination of the tubes, drawn to Raleigh specs. The bike pictured is very similar (though larger) than both of the bikes I owned previously. That frame has also been on ebay at least once before recently. Hmmm ...

MISC:   Schwinn Forums posted by: Eric Amlie on 7/11/2001 at 8:54:43 AM
For anyone who cares, the forums are back up.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by: Dave Shoe on 7/10/2001 at 7:29:21 PM
I have a question about a very original 1962-or-so Atala bicycle a friend is selling for the original owner who paid $160 for the bike when new.

I'm an early-'70s Raleigh Pro person, and I don't know much about Atalas or early-'60s bicycle equipment in general. When I saw photos of this bike (which has apparently been in storage for many decades), I immediately became interested in it, though I don't have room (or time) to expand my workshop beyond Raleigh bicycles.

As a Brooks saddle fan, my attention was captured by the presence of an oval "Campagnolo" marking on the top-center of the Brooks B17 saddle. Is this common for that period, or is this a rare bicycle saddle?

A 229Kb-sized pic can be found at link:

Thanks for any info you might have.

Dave Shoe
Minneapolis, MN.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by Corrected link address on 7/10/2001 at 8:02:17 PM
Oops! The 229Kb photo is here:


   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by This forum changes the link address. on 7/10/2001 at 8:09:20 PM
I guess you don't need to see the oversized photo, but I though it would help.

When I post the correct link, this forum changes the ' (tilde) symbol to an ' (apostrophe) symbol, so my link doesn't work. Heck, it might do it in this paragraph, too, so the "tilde" I refer to is the squiggly character often found next to the ! (exclamation point) key.

This is getting too technical for me. I'm mainly interested in learning whether the Campy symbol embossed on the Brooks B17 saddle is unusual or not.


   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by Oscar on 7/11/2001 at 12:59:39 PM
I've never seen a Brooks saddle stamped with anything other than the Brooks logo. I'd say it's pretty unusual. Nice to see, valuable in its esoterica! It would be interesting to see a snap of the whole bike. I see Atalas from the 60's around town from time to time. They must have had a good US distribution arm.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by Dave Shoe on 7/11/2001 at 2:42:09 PM
I got an email request for the photos last night after posting, so rather than email the Meg+ worth of eight pics, I posted the pics temporarily at http://network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=68535&messageid=994828884 (I hope the link works this time - no tildes on this one).

The word I got in last night's email to me is that the Campy-embossed Brooks saddle would likely be allowed on a bicycle model that was contracted to be fully equipped with Campy gear. It doesn't sound like a rare deal for top-line bikes at the time, though I'm sure the saddle is a LOT less common today than it once was.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by sam on 7/11/2001 at 3:35:10 PM
Classic Rendevous has a page on Atalas

   Oscar posted by Centerpull maddness on 7/12/2001 at 7:10:40 AM
What brand of brake levers centerpulls are on your Atala?

   RE:Oscar - I don't think the seller is watching this forum. posted by Dave Shoe on 7/12/2001 at 11:17:08 PM
I've never seen the bike, other than the photos. I've never met the seller, either, except to talk cars in another forum.

I figured the brakes looked like some kinda Weinmann center pulls, but the brake levers don't seem to say "Weinmann" in that logo area. I sorta suspect this bike is all original (the crank teeth look like new and the chain is dead), so it's logical the brake levers match the calipers. I searched ebay and hotbot for similar levers but came up dry.

It might be worth emailing the seller (refer to link in previous post) to ask what the logo is on those brake lever boots.

Also: Thanks for the help on this, both email and forum responses. I found a cool new bike link (www.classicrendezvous.com) and learned a bit about that very cool saddle. I wish I had 40 acres, several sturdy pole barns, and a bunch more money, but I'm just a poor cityboy with a huge garage. I'm still stoked about that bike, but know I gotta keep my focus on Raleighs, Nortons, and old big-block Fords.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by Richard Robinson on 7/12/2001 at 11:56:15 PM

Nice bike, I just wish it was 25" c to c. The brakes are Universal. I would say Mod. 61 or whatever center-pulls came before them. I too would say the bike is from the early 60's as evident by the number '62' on the seat tube. Definitely not the frame size! Very early Record hubs without the 'Record' lettering, Stella spokes, old style BB cable guide, old Record rear der. Look at the shift levers and QR on the hubs. Might have the "open C" logo. Nice find! Take care.

Regards, RICH

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Campy embossed B17 Brooks saddle an an Atala. posted by Jim V on 7/13/2001 at 5:48:10 PM
My Olmo DeLuxe that I bought new in 1961 has a Brooks B17 with the Campagnolo oval, just like the one in the picture. I thought the mark was intended to indicate that the saddle had narrow rails to fit the Campy seat post. I've ridden this bike a lot and the lettering on my saddle isn't really legible any more, but the oval is distinct. The Olmo cost $195 new and came with Campagnolo parts incuding barcons, like the Allegro Specials of the day. The Olmo had a couple of items that I haven't seen mentioned: the 151bcd Campy crankset had dust caps that snapped into the inboard side of the pedal end of each crank (these dust caps routinely fell out - I haven't seen one for years). Also, the "Tubazioni Falck" frame decal - has anyone seen a reference to Falck tubing? Thanks to VVVintage and all contributors for a great forum.

   RE: The Atala has been sold. posted by Dave Shoe on 7/19/2001 at 7:20:25 PM
Just wanted to mention my friend has sold the Atala.


AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot on eBay, item 1165129904 posted by: John E on 7/10/2001 at 6:33:38 PM
$500 ante, with a higher reserve? The seller does not even reveal the frame tube pedigree. If someone buys this one, perhaps I should list my very similar-looking 1980 PKN-10 on eBay.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot on eBay, item 1165129904 posted by Oscar on 7/10/2001 at 7:12:05 PM
Italy origin? By the way, there's a 50/50 chance that an ebay seller will photograph the crank side or the non-drive side of the bike. So why do they all show the non-drive side?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot on eBay, item 1165129904 posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/14/2001 at 9:38:25 AM
Good question! Perhaps there may be a scratch or dent they don't want you to see on the chainguard. I would think that a seller would show you both angles so you have a really good idea of what you are getting into.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Diamant road bike posted by: JOHN on 7/10/2001 at 5:21:26 AM
I have a Diamant road bike that I bought from a guy who bought a new road bike and couldn't ride 3 bikes, thus deciding to sell this bike. I have not been able to find any info on it and anything on any searches that might be related are all in German. The only info that I found was that it was East German made and Diamant was made from 1960-1989. This bike is at least 20 years old and was bought in Germany with Campy components and I beliee the frame is copper. It has been well-cared for and has only had the original owner. Can anyone help me with more info and what demand if any there is for this type of bike or to its rarity?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Diamant road bike posted by Rudgematch on 7/10/2001 at 12:37:54 PM
Apparently they are still in business, see: http://www.diamant-rad.de/

Also Classic Rendevous has some info and pictures on two much older machines.
(You may have to enter the site from the basic address)

They look pretty cool with their own alloy componentry.
I doubt it is a copper frame... far too malleable.
It sounds like a lovely machine!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Diamant road bike posted by john on 8/11/2001 at 5:26:34 PM
Diamant's website is the one I found except I don't speak German. Classic rendezvous only had 2 pics of models different than mine. Thanks for the info.

AGE / VALUE:   carlton refined posted by: nick on 7/9/2001 at 10:41:01 PM
i now have more info on that raleigh grand prix with the carlton (2030 high carbon steel) frame. it has a GB stem white carlton brake hoods weinman vanquire certerpulls w/weinman levers. the suntour shifters are on the down tube on a block connected to the frame. o.m.a.s. cranks with italian chainrings. normandy hubs. I believe the rims say something like "specially made for road performance". the front derailuer is suntour. the rear is a steel suntour honor wich does'nt seem to fit the rest of the componentry. what is the value and possibly the orignal rear derailuer

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   carlton refined posted by Walter on 7/11/2001 at 6:42:49 AM
2030 Hi-Carbon Steel means this bike wasn't an expensive or even mildly expensive bike for its time. I'm afraid there'd be no real resale value unless you found a buyer motivated by nostalgia for an item from his/her youth. SunTour Honor was found on dep't store bikes. I remember as a kid when sometimes that parts like that were all I could afford that the SunTour was different from other dep't store stuff in that it actually worked!

The componentry minus the rear der. is not that bad. If you bought it for resale only you might be better off seling parts. I wouldn't say that with a higher line frame but with this the parts are probably more than the whole.

If it's in good shape it probably rides pretty well so you might want to keep it. Your choice.