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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   nice '72 Schwinn Paramount on eBay posted by: John E on 7/19/2001 at 10:02:08 AM
Item #1167612647, $750 so far. (It is my size and it would be a nice upgrade from the 1980 Peugeot, but my wife would never understand.)

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   nice '72 Schwinn Paramount on eBay posted by Oscar on 7/19/2001 at 7:30:02 PM
Beauty. I should get myself a yellow bike someday. By the way, Weinmann Centerpulls always get my heart ticking. The only component which is at home on a Campy equipped Paramount and a Continental. Everyman's brake!

   Weinmann centerpulls posted by John E on 7/20/2001 at 8:14:34 AM
> Weinmann Centerpull ... the only component which is at home on a Campy equipped Paramount and a Continental

... or even a Capo "Modell Campagnolo" or "Sieger"

I hope CyclArt can keep me supplied with straddle cables.

   RE:Weinmann centerpulls posted by Oscar on 7/20/2001 at 12:15:08 PM
As well at home on my Raleigh Super Course. Then there's the zillion 1970's Asian lightweights with Dia Compe cp's, licensed by Weinmann.

I hear you can find extension levers for Weinmann, too.

   Weinmann centerpulls posted by John E on 7/20/2001 at 4:23:03 PM
> I hear you can find extension levers for Weinmann, too.

Yes, I read that in an Internet discussion area somewhere ...

The bigger trick is finding replacement rubber hoods (I got a pair of passably decent Asian reproductions at CyclArt) and straddle cables (which one can probably jury-rig, if necessary, from a regular brake cable and fixing bolt).

   RE:Weinmann centerpulls posted by Oscar on 7/21/2001 at 12:59:21 AM
Obviously not properly hydrated, I passed up a pair of Weinmann gum hoods at a swap meet. I have a pair of spare levers with white hoods waiting for the perfect occasion.

   another nice Paramount on eBay posted by John E on 7/21/2001 at 7:23:02 PM
Jeff Pierce's custom-built Schwinn Paramount is also listed on eBay. Interestingly, he raced for Schwinn in 1986 and for Huffy in 1987, well before the current acquisition began to take shape.

   RE:RE:Weinmann centerpulls posted by log on 7/23/2001 at 8:30:28 PM
Dad's got the same Raliegh and I have some Wienmann extentions, it your looking .

MISC:   Akuka or Azuki ltwt bike posted by: Brian on 7/19/2001 at 4:25:20 AM
I saw an Azuki or Azuka lightweight 10-speed bike yesterday. Can't tell too much about it, except it's a 5 or 10 speed, and the rear sprockets are skip-toothed.
Does anyone know anything about this brand?

   Azuki posted by John E on 7/19/2001 at 7:26:03 AM
At Bikecology (now Supergo.com), we started selling Nishikis in 1973; Azukis, a year or two later. They were comparable Japanese brands, each with a wide range of models. I believe both were imported by West Coast Cycle Supply. If your serial number (on the bottom bracket shell) begins with a "K," then your Azuki was built by Kawamura, which was also Nishiki's framebuilder. The top-of-the-line Azuki had Ishiwata double-butted CrMo frame tubing and an integral derailleur hanger. I assume your bike is an early 1970s model, but please post the serial number and list all surviving original components, to help pin this down.

I used to evoke groans by asking my coworkers, "What do you use to get into a menagerie?" Answer: "A zoo key" [azuki].

AGE / VALUE:   NSU Bicycle posted by: Charles Pinckney on 7/18/2001 at 3:02:34 PM
Can anyone give me some info on a NSU three speed bicycle.Streamlight Sport style. Has leather wittkop seat and Sturmey Archer rear hub.I have only found references for NSU motorized vehicles. Front emblem is NSU and the front fender has a really cool ornament also with NSU on it.Thanks all for any help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NSU Bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/19/2001 at 8:36:13 AM
E- mail me, and ask for me to look it up. I need reminding. Thanks

FOR SALE:   NOS Mafac Racer Brake set up posted by: Bikeyard on 7/18/2001 at 2:26:47 PM
For sale NOS Mafac brake set up. Perfect for your vintage French restoration. Peugot $45 shipped View them at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/mafac email if you cannot view pictures

FOR SALE:   NOS Schwinn Lever Extensions posted by: Bikeyard on 7/18/2001 at 2:26:47 PM
For sale NOS in the package Schwinn lever extensions perfect for your Varsity, Continental, Letour, or other vintage Schwinn road bikes. $12 shipped each set, two for $22 shipped, three sets for $30 shipped. I have many. View them at http://bikeyard.home.mindspring.com/ext email if you cannot view pictures

   No thanks, I'll pass posted by John E on 7/18/2001 at 8:29:51 PM

   RE:FOR SALE:   NOS Schwinn Lever Extensions posted by Wings on 7/18/2001 at 11:13:08 PM
Interesting reduction in prices as the quantity increases! Notice: 1 item for $12; 2 items for $22; 3 items for $30 and so on makes for an interesting pricing pattern. If more items are purchased and the above pricing pattern is adhered to ... then: 4 items would cost $36; 5 items would cost $40; 6 items would cost $42; and here is the first interesting part: 7 items would also cost $42!!! So, it would be better to purchase 7 items rather than 6 items!
I leave you with this question (answer here -- if you can!): How many items must one purchase before the total price is Zero dollars????
What is the mathematical formula for this pattern of pricing (It graphs a parabola)?
No offense to the seller!!! Honest!!! Just saw that pattern and as one who has worked with patterns for years I could not resist. Happy selling and computing!

   linear function posted by John E on 7/19/2001 at 7:35:17 AM
Actually Wings, you are assuming a linear extrapolation of the three linearly-spaced data points provided by the seller, viz: one @ $12, two @ $11, three @ 10, etc. According to your extrapolation, the unit price reaches 0 at the 13th unit, and becomes negative (-$1) with the 14th. Therefore, the total cost for a 25-unit order should be 0, because the first unit costs $12, whereas the last costs negative $12, etc. It gets better -- a 26-unit order should cost NEGATIVE $13, i.e., the seller would ship $0.50 with every unit. Somehow, I think we have misread his business model ...

   RE:linear function posted by Oscar on 7/19/2001 at 7:50:16 AM

   RE:linear function posted by Bob on 7/19/2001 at 7:57:21 AM
Yes, well I thinnk someone would need to pay me to take 26 sets of Schwinn lever extensions.

   RE:RE:linear function posted by Brian L. on 7/19/2001 at 8:43:37 AM
I know that there has been a growing interest in early Varsitys, Continentals and their ilk, I assume for their historical value and interesting frame graphics, but honestly, my brother's Varsity was one of the worst riding bikes I ever threw a leg over. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? There are so many more worthwhile bikes from the same vintage that language in people's garages or scrap heaps.

   RE:RE:RE:linear function posted by Jim on 7/19/2001 at 4:19:24 PM
You know the funniest thing is that I had 10 sets of these at an earlier time and sold them all. Now I have 30 sets in the original packaging, what would you do with them? Make a chain out of them like the old beer tabs?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:linear function posted by Wings on 7/19/2001 at 10:39:01 PM
John E.,
Unfortunately Schwinn is gone, but the math is still here!
You saw the linear progression of comparing the number of items purchased (X= number purchased) and the cost per item (Y = cost per item). The formula for this is: y = -x + 13 and it is a series of linear points. If we buy 14 according to my formula we should get (not pay) $1 for each item. So I would get $14 and $14 items, but that assumes that is what Bikeyard would do and I don't think he would do that.
I was looking at X= Number of items purchased and Y= The total cost for that transaction and that is a parabala crossing the X-axis at (0,0) and (13,0). You got the 13!
I still have not taken the time to get the formula for the parabola!
You may wonder why all this math on a Bike Discussion Area, but we all know and appreciate how much math is involved in working on Bikes and all the related formulas (like wheel building) especially charts on gear inches!
(I am trying to justify this post!!!!)
Oh well, I will keep at the formula!
Thanks! Bikeyard, I hope you get some sales!

   linear function posted by John E on 7/20/2001 at 8:35:55 AM
[That poor guy stuck with all those suicide brake extensions is probably going to kill us for dragging this out.] Actually, Wings, your analysis is correct; I confused marginal unit pricing with average unit pricing. For the total cost function, you do indeed get a nice convex-upward parabola, starting at $0 for 0 units (i.e., pairs of handles), peaking at $42 for 6 and $42 again for 7 units, and returning to $0 total cost for $13 units. If you order 14 units, the seller presumably ships $1 with each one.

The formula for the parabola is: C = -U*U + 13*U, where U = number of units and C = total dollar cost. (Start with C = aU^2 + bU + c. When U=0, C=0, so c has to be 0. When U=13, C=0, so b has to be -13a. Plug in any known point on the curve (U=6, C=42 will do), and solve for a, which has to be negative because the curve is concave downward.)

[Let's not even get started on fractional unit pricing!]

   RE:linear function posted by Wings on 7/21/2001 at 11:39:32 PM
Nice going on the formula!!!!!
And I think last year you were teaching us poetry!!!!
You have a variety of talents.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lotus Japanese Road Bike posted by: Brian on 7/18/2001 at 10:50:32 AM
I have an old Lotus road bike frame (Japanese) from the late 70's or early 80's. I am trying to find out some information on these bikes. Does anyone know of a good website to get information on these makes of bike?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lotus Japanese Road Bike posted by Gralyn on 7/21/2001 at 4:51:46 AM
I have a Lotus from 1982. Back then, it was called a "sport bike" if I remember correctly....it was dimensionally between a racing bike and a touring bike. I would also like to find a web-site for these bikes....I have had no luck as yet. Hang in there and keep looking.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lotus Japanese Road Bike posted by Brian on 7/23/2001 at 12:15:07 PM
I did find out that Lotus bikes are made by a Japanese company called Tsunoda. They were distributed in the US by a company in Syosset NY called Alpha Cycle. I found this info on SheldonBrown.com which is a great overall site.

AGE / VALUE:   Celo Europa posted by: Greg on 7/17/2001 at 4:38:20 PM
I recently picked up a full Dura Ace equiped Celo Europa built in the mid 80's. It has crimped top and down tubes and, according to the Sheldon Brown/Bicycle Classics site, was made for a west coast distributor by Colnago. Does anyone know what type of Columbus steel was used in its manufacture? I would also appreciate any info on the bike and the relationship between the distributor, Marcel Celborn and Colnago. Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Celo Europa posted by Duane on 7/22/2001 at 2:30:46 PM
The crimped tubes should be SL. I have a Calborn "Formula 1" from about '85 that has the SL decal on it.
They were sold by Celo Europa, possibly mail by order, as well as from their shop that was in Laguna Hills, CA.
Not as valuable as the comparable Colnago Profil.

WANTED:   Ross English Racer posted by: Randy on 7/17/2001 at 2:35:39 PM
Hello my name is Randy and I am looking for an old ross bicycle... when my father was about 16 or 17 he had imported a bicycle from England around 1957. The bike was $160 which at the time was quite expensive...
I had done some research and found almost nothing, but what I do know is that the bike was a ROSS 3 speed, very fancy! (candy apple/root-beerish color), and was an English Racer.
I am a bike mechanic from New Jersey and I do know my share about bikes, however I had never heard of it. So I asked one of the older mechanics at the shop and it turns out he had the same exact bike! Well he told me that he too imported it from England and that he thought the bicycle was called the "Ross English Racer."
The reason I am looking for this bicycle is that soon after my father had bought his hard earned pride and joy of a bike, it was stolen and trashed... so for his 60th birthday which is coming up in a couple of months, I decided I'd try to re-unite him with the bike of his childhood.
If you could please help me out with where I could find this bike or how, or even if its the correct bicycle, I would greatly appreciate it.


p.s.- Please email me back at Randogrew@aol.com with any information you may have that could make my search easier.

   RE:WANTED:   Ross English Racer posted by Debby on 7/18/2001 at 8:23:37 AM
Hi Randy,

I know this isn't what you're looking for,
but thought you might find it interesting. I was just
browsing through ebay and spotted it:

"Falcon Bike 1970

This is a 1970 5 Speed English Racer Bicycle,
made in England. Purchased NEW in 1970 and only
had one owner.
Bike has not been used in about 5 years
and needs alot of clean up. Has some rust on the
spokes and the leather."
seat has some cracking.


I have no connection to this seller/auction.


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Maserati posted by: Warren on 7/17/2001 at 5:44:34 AM
I have what I believe to be a Maserati road frame from the early to mid 70's. I bought it secondhand in 1978 and raced on it for a few years. It had been repainted with no sign of original decals. Has unusual and very light section rear dropouts, zeus 2000 stamped front dropouts, 'trident' symbol cut outs in the top of each side of the fork crown, Italian BB threading, 26.8 seat post. Does anyone know anything about the Maserati frames? Did they have this type of fork crown? I am about to paint this one again and fit all Campag Nuovo Record parts to it. Any assistance with artwork for decals much appreciated.

   check the archives posted by John E on 7/17/2001 at 1:25:10 PM
Nice find! I believe someone else posted something about Maserati a few weeks ago.

AGE / VALUE:   campy nuovo record posted by: mike on 7/16/2001 at 11:46:56 PM
Does anyone know what is the maximumn sprocket size a campy nuovo record will handle? Ive seen them with a 26T before but will it handle a 28T? Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   campy nuovo record posted by Eric Amlie on 7/17/2001 at 7:05:23 AM
I've got one set up with a 14-28 freewheel. Haven't ridden it much yet but it seems to work ok. I've heard that it's picky about chain length with the 28t.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   campy nuovo record posted by Scott Brittle on 7/17/2001 at 8:48:22 AM
I have been riding a 14-28 with a Nuevo Record for 23 years and it has always shifted fine.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   campy nuovo record posted by Gary M on 7/17/2001 at 9:04:09 AM
funny i ran it the exact problem yesterday. this campy nuevo allero on our Bianchi wasnt shifting well, and someone has replaced the close ratio road gears with wide ratios, 29 first. the derailler runs right on the bottom of the gear, and i had to change the chain length several times to get it to shift right. i would say 28 would be the most i would run, and i am sure this is a relabeled Nuevo Record, for Bianchi.

   campy nuovo record capacity posted by John E on 7/17/2001 at 1:45:16 PM
As you go beyond 26T, you need to worry alot about chain length and about the size difference between your chainrings. With a 3- or 4-tooth ("half-step") difference between the rings, you can probably handle 28T fairly easily. Alternatively, if you have, say, 52-42 or 53-39 and promise never to cross-chain large-to-large and do not attempt to accommodate this combination, you can probably set up a decent first-gear engagement by experimenting with the chain length.

You can also increase the capacity a bit by mounting the rear wheel farther back in the dropout slot or by rotating and securing the derailleur body a few degrees clockwise on its pivot.

Because the NR's cage pivot starts to move upward in an arc as the body is pulled far inward by the shift cable, it is easier to use a 28T low with a 5-speed or ultra-6 cogset than with a 7-speed or standard 6-speed.

   RE:campy nuovo record capacity posted by Jim V on 7/17/2001 at 10:21:13 PM
My old Capo came to me with a 14-17-20-24-28 freewheel and 52-36 chainrings, not original components on this bike, I'm sure. I installed a pair of nuovo record derailleurs, but I wasn't brave enough to use a chain too short for the large-to-large 52-28 combination. As it turned out, the only combinations on which the nuovo record couldn't swallow enough links were the 36-14 and the 36-17. This eight-speed setup worked well for me for years, until the cottered crankset finally expired.

   Capo posted by John E on 7/18/2001 at 6:34:05 AM
Do you still have the Capo, Jim? Mike Slater and I have posted various Capo factoids in earlier threads. If yours is from around 1960, original equipment was a cottered steel Agrati crankset with 52-46 rings, a 14-17-20-23-26 freewheel, and Campy GranSport derailleurs.

   RE:Capo posted by Jim V on 7/18/2001 at 9:44:38 PM
John, my thanks to you for researching the Capo and to Mike S. for posting his excellent pictures on classicrendezvous.com. I still have and value my Capo, which I bought at a police lost-and-found auction in north San Diego in 1968. The bike had a lot of surface rust, and I wasn't wise enough then to appreciate the saying "It's only original once", so I didn't wait too long to repaint the frame and fork.
After seeing your post I looked at the crankset carefully and read ... "Agrati"! This is a new mystery; the 52-36 chainring pair and 14-28 freewheel wouldn't have been compatible with a GranSport. The Capo did come with a GranSport front derailleur, but the rear was a Huret, I think, and though it could handle the wide-ratio gearing, it was rusty and so hard to shift that I replaced it with the Nuovo Record.
The bike has served me very well; I installed fenders and commuted regularly on it until last winter, when it finally became impossible to keep the crank cotters tight for more than a day or two.

   more Capomania posted by John E on 7/19/2001 at 7:46:42 AM
Do you still live in the San Diego area, Jim? Jim [CyclArt] Cunningham knows someone with an all-original (including paint, decals, and tin soldier) Capo, which I hope to spot on a Vintage Bicycle Assn. ride. By the way, I scrapped my first Agrati crankset in 1974, after the left crank cracked at the cotter eye as I accelerated across (8-lane) Wilshire Bl. in west Los Angeles. The first owner of my current Capo installed a Nervar Star aluminum crankset, which looks great and is only slightly anachronistic for the frame. (The cranks look like old Stronglights; the rings, like old Campys.) By the way, what is your serial number (top of the seat tube, very hard to read)?

   RE:more Capomania posted by Jim V on 7/19/2001 at 9:39:39 PM
Interesting, John, that your Agrati crankset went out with a bang, and mine with a whimper. The pedals on my Capo were a different story - one of them broke around 1970, while a small lady friend was riding the bike. I replaced the pedals with a spare pair of Campy quills that have been trouble-free. Too bad Jim Cunningham hadn't started his business when I painted that bike.
My frame number is 45229 and is very legible. Maybe they misplaced the small hammer the day they stamped mine.

FOR SALE:   Bianchi Nuevo Allero posted by: Gary M on 7/16/2001 at 5:55:06 PM
Team Green Bianchi road machine. Excellent condition. Camponolo Nuevo Allero deraillers Very Fine peice. no problems noted except needing new tape job, you pick the colors. new chain. Modolo Flash brakes. 57 cm frame $750 OBO

MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by: Don on 7/16/2001 at 12:04:09 PM
I realize this area is for vintage bike questions so feel free to tell me where to go.(ha) If someone were going to treat themself to a nice Italian road bike soon and had it narrowed to three choices would someone have advice on the better choice. I'm considering a Gios, Bianchi, or Tommasini and I will be mail ordering. So what should I do? Any experience with any of these or recommendations. I know you guys here are very knowledgeable so thanks for your time. I will probably go with aluminum by the way.

   RE:MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by Warren on 7/16/2001 at 12:42:35 PM
You're right...this isn't really the right forum. And in the spirit of that, I think you're going to spend a lot of money for a frame that is likely inferior to a Cannondale. All three bikes you've mentioned were top of the class when they were made of just steel. If you can order one in a Columbus Genius tubeset then that would be OK. Otherwise I think you're going to pay a huge premium for the marque. Don't get me wrong...any aluminum bike you get from these manufacturers will be a great ultralite bike...I just can't see it as money well spent. Personally I would kill for a chrome Tomassini from about 15 years ago. Sweet.

   Italian frames posted by John E on 7/16/2001 at 1:05:29 PM
I have no experience with aluminum or composite Italian frames, but I can certainly vouch for CrMo steel (Columbus) Italian frames.

   RE:MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by Bob on 7/16/2001 at 1:52:26 PM
How will you be using this bike? Are you racing? Touring? Just riding around on weekends?
I have a Vitus aluminum bike that is light and fast but most of the time I ride one of my steel bikes.

Among the choices you list Bianchi would be my first choice. A good quality Bianchi seems to hold its value and the one I owned was a pleasure to ride.

   RE:MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by Don on 7/16/2001 at 2:32:43 PM
I kinda figured there would be a premium for the marque. I will mainly be doing fast club rides, long training rides and slow rambling countryside rides. Pretty much everything. I assumed Bianchi would have more money for R&D and for mass production keeping prices slightly more reasonable. Incidentally, I found a website that sells Motobecanes. The frame and group made it look like a good deal, but I didn't think they were made anymore? Is it the same old Motobecane company? Sorry about coming here with these questions. I'll try to keep it on theme from now on. Thanks

   RE:RE:MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by Walter on 7/16/2001 at 4:57:16 PM
There's still good Italian steel out there. Whether it's as good as what we talk about is debatable but it still a popular choice. Lots of pros earn their living riding Colnago Masters. Maybe not as many as on C40s but steel is still in the pro peleton and will be for awhile yet. I'm pretty sure Bianchi uses steel though nowadays they TIG weld instead of lug. I've got a TIG welded Columbus framed Univega and I like its ride fine.

Frankly if you're going to go aluminum and you're not horse jockey size something like Cannondale might not be bad. They oversize the tubes for a reason. If I were going to go nonsteel (I don't see it though I still have my 1986 Cdale) I'd probably look at titanium but that's me and maybe my aversion to "normal" diameter aluminum tubes is obsolete.

From what I understand the original Motobecane, of fond memory, went bankrupt and reemerged as MBK and does market bikes. I know next to nothing about them.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by Warren on 7/16/2001 at 7:08:16 PM
Hey...no apologies necessary for asking the questions. I'm just saying that our responses are likely skewed. You already know that. Just to pick up on Walters comment about the Colnago's. I saw the latest Masterlight in an LBS. 17 lbs with a Dura-Ace groupo, Rolf wheels. The frame? Aluminum. The peleton is riding this stuff. I may be a little hasty in criticizing the Italian maufacturers ability to make aluminun frames. I too have have a couple of C-dales over the years, (true confession time). Their touring bikes are incredible and Mario Cippolini hammers the peleton with ease so they must be doing something right. I'd still trade for a Gios Torino with SL tubing with the pennies in the fork crown.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Which bike for me? posted by Walter on 7/16/2001 at 7:25:36 PM
I didn't know the Masterlight was aluminum. Until, I guess, pretty recently all of the "Master" named bikes were steel. Colnago uses every substance known to man it seems when it comes to frame building time. Carbon fiber, titanium, aluminum and steel. Is there anything else?

Don't apologize for the Cannondale. I will resurrect mine soon and I'll enjoy riding it, if for nothing else the college memories. It was a good match for me at the time. It fit the budget and it didn't flex. I was riding with a college club but had just finished playing football. Couldn't spin worth a damn but I could mash the pedals and make BBs move. The Cdale sttod up fine. Shimano 600EX grop was pretty good too.

   A late contender posted by Walter on 7/19/2001 at 5:47:31 AM
What about Salsa? They've been welding Reynolds steel for awhile now and of course it'd have all the right dimensions for an Ergo group as well. I guess STI too but rather modern or vintage I'll go with the Campy stuff.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early 70's Raleigh Competition posted by: Allan Winter on 7/16/2001 at 6:18:41 AM
I have a Raleigh Competition that appears to be somewhat unusual and would appreciate having some further information, if anyone is able to provide it.

I purchased the bike new, out-of-the-box in early 1973, although it was probably made in '71 or '72. It is lavender and what I believe Raleigh called "mink blue". I have never seen another Competition painted this way. Personally, I have always thought it to be a very handsome paint scheme.

It was also equipped differently from other specs I have seen regarding the Competition:

531 tubes and fork, but apparently not the stays.
Reynolds 531 decals at top of down tube and front fork
Carlton decal at bottom of down tube
Brass stork on head tube
"Competition" painted in gold script on top tube and rear stays, "Raleigh" in gold script on main tube
1/2 Chromed front fork, painted rear stays
Zeus fork ends (lugs), Zeus adjustable rear drop-outs
Brooks Pro saddle (small rivets)
Mavic rims w/Normandy hubs (since replaced with Campy NR)
Drilled Weinmann brake levers
Stronglite 3-piece cotterless crankset (beautiful)
Simplex derailleurs

I am curious about whether this Competition is as unusual as it seems to be. Although I have no plans to sell the bike, if anyone has an idea of its value, that would be of interest, also.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early 70's Raleigh Competition posted by Rudgematch on 7/16/2001 at 8:50:52 AM
It's a heron, not a stork! (Sorry... can't help myself.)

Retro Raleighs has some minimal information:'tabula/raleigh/raleigh-compGS.html


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early 70's Raleigh Competition posted by Keith on 7/16/2001 at 12:04:30 PM
Here's my theory, and it would apply to more than this bike. Catalogs and other sources of specs are helpful, but not definitive, and here's why. The early 70s bike boom gave rise to an enormous increase in demand for lightweight, derailleur equiped bikes. I have read that during this period, most bike and component factories in Europe were working at capacity. My thought, then, is that when they ran out of a particular spec'd component or groupo, or it was on backorder or whatever, the bike manufacturers turned to the next best thing available. This is also why Suntour and Shimano gained a foothold -- they filled in the gap between the European supply and the American demand. I've seen these variations among same year models since I got my Gitane Interclub in 1970 -- mine had Huret, others I saw back then had Simplex.

   "Competition" posted by John E on 7/16/2001 at 1:02:36 PM
Several manufacturers, including Nishiki and Peugeot, have named their next-to-top framesets "Competition." Typically, instead of seamless butted moly steel throughout, the buyer got plain carbon steel stays, forks, or both. The problem with relying on catalogues is that models can be added, deleted, or respecified after the date of publication.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early 70's Raleigh Competition posted by Allan Winter on 7/16/2001 at 2:37:07 PM
Thanks for the replies. The comments regarding component discrepencies make sense. I suppose that depending on particulars, it could have been an advantage or disadvantage to buyers at the time.

According to the serial number, the frame should have been made anytime between '71 and early '72 (F prefix). In fact, it appears to be similar to the Gran Sport of that vintage, but I think the Gran Sport had clinchers, not tubulars. Could be wrong.

I am still particularly curious about the lavender[sic]/mink color scheme, if anyone has seen another like it.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early 70's Raleigh Competition posted by Russ on 7/16/2001 at 9:17:32 PM
I saw TWO Raleigh Competition framesets in that color in May at the Cirque du Cyclisme in Greensboro, NC. I wish I could remember who was selling them. I don't remember any discussion of what parts came on them, though ... but the early Competition and the older Gran Sports with forged dropouts with integral eyes are about identical frames, though the fork crowns changed later on ...

AGE / VALUE:   Old Sears Roebuck Tandem posted by: Adam Joharian on 7/16/2001 at 6:37:38 AM
I really like to find out about this bike I have:
(Sears Roebuck - Sport Flight - Model. BMA-6)
It is a Tandem bike and that's all I can tell!!!
Does anyone know the Age/Vlaue???
Regards, Adam J.

   Old Sears Roebuck Tandem posted by John E on 7/17/2001 at 4:25:45 PM
Please list the components and tell us whether it has one-piece American-style cranks or 3-piece European-style cranks. Early Sears bikes were made by Steyr-Daimler-Puch of Austria and tend to be decent; later ones are overweight, low-quality Huffy creations.

MISC:   Finally figured it out posted by: Oscar on 7/15/2001 at 3:42:39 PM
Well I finally figured it out. I've been working on a Gitane Tour de France, and it's almost finished. The only problem is that the stem is stuck in the headtube.

I thought that the wedge was corroded in, but I shined a light down the stem hole, and found the wedge was free and resting on the brake bolt. So why is the 3ttt stuck.

It dawned on my that french forks have a smaller internal diameter than other forks. The 3tt must be 22.2mm and the fork would be 22.0. I'll bet someone banged the stem in with a hammer. (This also explains the bash marks on the stem extension.)


   RE:MISC:   Finally figured it out posted by mike on 7/15/2001 at 3:59:23 PM
Before taking drastic measures to get the thing out, this worked for me once in a similar situation. I got a chunk of dry ice from the local market and wrapped it around the stem with some cloth. I then started heating up the head tube using a hair dryer. After about 10 minutes, the stem slipped right out.

   Free at last posted by Oscar on 7/15/2001 at 5:45:01 PM
Thanks for the advice, Mike. The patient was receiving a penetrant IV, and after posting my original note, I went back to work. Did the old twist-and-tug with my daughter holding the rest of the bike down. It finally came out.

Now to find a French stem or commence to sanding the 3ttt. Hmmm.

   RE:MISC:   Finally figured it out posted by Mike on 7/15/2001 at 7:32:50 PM

You probably have a french stem, its just that over 20 years galvanic corrosion, which is caused by dissimilar metals (aluminum stem and steel steerer tube) become fused (i.e. corroded) together. Light sand/clean the stem with steel wool, clean steerer tube, if possible. Grease stem before re-using. Good luck.