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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

MISC:   It was bound to happen posted by: Oscar on 7/9/2001 at 8:29:25 PM
It was bound to happen after 28 years. On of the plastic Simplex shifters on my Raleigh Supercourse finally broke. It was a mystery, but my young son was seen in the garage swinging a shovel near the bike.

The plastic rear derailleur already bit the dust some years ago and was replaced by a nice period Shimano unit. Since I was playing with cables after the shifter decapitation, I also changed out the plastic push rod front derailleur for another Shimano. It now has nice Suntour power ratchet shifters.

Ah, the joy of chromed metal!

AGE / VALUE:   Pegasus posted by: MC on 7/9/2001 at 3:27:50 PM
I'm searching for any information on a 60s era Pegasus lightweight. Mine has early Shimano Eagle components, Centerpull brakes and cottered cranks. I can't find anything on this model. Thanks!

   RE:Pegasus posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 5:39:02 PM
I see one of these exactly as you describe! Mens, white, Weinmann brakes, cottered bottombracket set up. Winged horse Pegasus badge! the bicycle is mad at me for my letting it stay in the basement of the inner city bike shop. It wants to come home every time I visit, but to me it isn't anything special. I believe this frameset is Dutch? or Austrian. The componets may well be Japaneese but not the bike itself.I see one all the time!
I probably would have to give 50 or 60 for it and I don't think it is worth that. A very seldom seen, little known bike, but nothing special. Unless this is sentimental. E-mail me and I'll re-examine it for you.

   RE:Pegasus posted by MC on 7/9/2001 at 7:33:05 PM
The things that caught my interest were the attractive contour lugwork and tasteful decal graphics for such a low-end bike.
BTW-interesting abstraction C. Robin. It warrants no further examination other that I am still curious as to the country of origin. The condition is excellent for someone who wants it.

   Pegasus posted by John E on 7/9/2001 at 4:16:44 PM
Is it fairly heavy, e.g. 30+ lbs? Eagle came out in 1975 and was Shimano's lowest-level model. Coupled with the cottered cranks, it suggests a low-level (sub $100 when new) Japanese bike.

AGE / VALUE:   stuff posted by: willis3000 on 7/9/2001 at 9:01:29 AM
are maxy cranks good i have some with a triple design pattern(not triple ringed) and all aluminum chain rings they seem nice,
how much?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   stuff posted by log on 7/9/2001 at 9:20:46 PM
They wern't great, but they worked!
I liked them as quick fixes. I have several of them, but they ain't worth much. Sorry.

   Maxy cranks posted by John E on 7/9/2001 at 12:17:11 PM
Sorry, Willis, the value is minimal. Maxy was Sugino's bottom-end aluminum crank. They feature the obsolete nut (rather than bolt) retention system, and the spider is swaged to the right crank, instead of being forged as a single unit. Only the inner chainring(s) can be replaced. Early models were prone to failure at the pedal eye and at the spider-crank joint.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   stuff posted by Keith on 7/16/2001 at 12:09:54 PM
When I was a kid I torqued a set of these hard enough to break the swadge by starting off hard from a track stance. But I was a pretty strong kid.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Speedster posted by: Norman F. Birnberg on 7/9/2001 at 2:13:58 AM
The Schwinn Speedsters that were ubiquitous in the 60s and 70s were singlespeed coaster brake road bike knockoffs.

I have a really simple question about them: can a front and rear brake be installed in case one wants to set them up as a freewheel singlespeed, internal gear, or derailleur 6-7 spd. freewheel? Thanks.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Speedster posted by Jonathan on 7/9/2001 at 4:26:30 PM
I recently tuned a "speedster" for a friend. It was 1975
issue. The rear was 3 spd. Bendix RB2 w. coaster. The front
had caliper brake. Look on the fork crown to see if there's a hole to mount a caliper
spindle and between the seat stays for a cross brace with a hole for accepting the rear caliper spindle. I'd check that before going to the
gear train possibilities...which I believe is simpler than the brake conversion.
Worst case scenario would, I think, involve replacing the fork and having a braze job for the rear attachment. Lot of work/expense for a
bike that's basically a beater...sorry, just my humble opinion, not a testimonial to it's intrinsic worth to a given individual.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Speedster posted by Cal on 7/10/2001 at 6:15:33 AM
RE: "The rear was 3 spd. Bendix RB2 w. coaster"

Never heard of that. Was that a typo?

I've seen original Speedsters as middlewieght single speed coasters and lightweight 3-speed roadsters, but nothing else.

   RE: RB-2 3 speed coaster on Schwinn Speedster posted by Jonathan on 7/10/2001 at 10:42:03 AM
I refer you to p. 130 of "Glenn's Complete Bicycle Manual" (1973) for a complete
description of the hubs in question. My experience trying to interchange
parts (especially the retarder springs, shoes and sprockets) has
reveled that the differences are real. My box of hubs
has been separated now into 3 boxes...drat! The "RB2 was a typo only if
one considers RB-2 significantly different from RB2. I recommend
that manual for rebuilding these hubs. There is a slight typo, I think??, but
it's one of those obvious ones that won't mess up your effort. I bought
the manual for a whopping $16.50 at a used book dealer, but was it ever worth
every nickel, man.

   RE:RE: RB-2 3 speed coaster on Schwinn Speedster posted by Jonathan on 7/10/2001 at 11:07:51 AM
The RB-2 appears to be a single speed hub. Now , I am confused. The shifter has
3 speeds (1, 2 and 3), but I could get only 2 speeds. On p. 212 of he above book, there's a SA tcw III.
The hub has 3 peeds and a coaster brake, but it's not whats on the speedster in question. I think I need to take another look-see at the bike.
Sorry for the confusion. :-)

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Speedster posted by Eric Amlie on 7/9/2001 at 5:44:12 AM
Many of the Speedsters came in a 3 speed version with side pull caliper brakes. I think the rear dropout spacing on the 3 speed frames was 115 mm so would have to be widened to 120 or 126mm for your 6/7 speed freewheel. I hope it can be done though. I am going to attempt to mount a Nexus 7 speed internal gear hub that requires 130mm spacing in an old Traveler 3 speed frame.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Speedster posted by Oscar on 7/9/2001 at 3:04:09 PM
As Eric says, Speedster frames were built to accept sidepull brakes. I had my 74 Speedster built for fixed gear on a 26 x 1 3/8 wheel. When I rebuilt the wheels for mtb 26 rims and slicks, I had to use a longer reach brake. BMX calipers, of all things.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn Speedster posted by Robert on 7/15/2001 at 8:20:16 AM
My '76 Speedster 3-speed came with Weinmann side-pull brakes. They are mounted through the holes for the fender bolts. The rear dropuot is 115 mm.

AGE / VALUE:   WINSDOR PRO SJ posted by: HYNIE on 7/8/2001 at 11:20:07 PM
Yesterday I found a winsdor pro sj just like the one at bicycle rendezvous at a second hand store. Its in great shape and even has an ideale saddle with the etched (reboof treatment?) writing. Are these the bikes that sometimes mysteriously become counterfit chinellis and end up on e-bay.

   WINSDOR PRO SJ posted by John E on 7/9/2001 at 6:39:35 AM
> Are these the bikes that sometimes mysteriously become counterfit chinellis and end up on e-bay?

Yes. Their lugwork, paint, and geometry are very close to those of the real thing.

   RE:WINSDOR PRO SJ posted by desmo on 7/9/2001 at 12:32:31 PM
Windsor Pros in the early 70s were in fact identically spec'ed to Super Corsas. Tubeset, lugs, componentry, everything except the tires. No mistaking one for the other upon close examination however.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   wheel/tire size for Austro-Daimler posted by: Adam on 7/8/2001 at 6:37:17 PM
Anyone have experience of wheel/tire size for an Austro-Daimler frame? I don't know the model, but it's a full Reynolds 531 with the original gold decals and gold striping on the down-tube and around the steer tube lugs. I bought it intending to make it a single-speed daily rider with the parts stripped from a $30 junk bike (few, if any, of which turned out to fit). The 32 x 360 (27 x 1 1/4) Michelins on Urai rims I had off the junk bike appear to be too large in diameter for a good fit, rising to fill all but 5mm of the available space. The upper parts of my caliper brakes -- a couple of Dia-Compes with long arms, a Simano EX-500 with short ones -- comes close enough to the tread as to make the pads superfluous. I'd appreciate ecommendations involving inexpensive used parts especially.


   RE:wheel/tire size for Austro-Daimler posted by Adam on 7/10/2001 at 7:48:48 AM
Thanks, John. Will try it out this weekend.

   wheel/tire size for Austro-Daimler posted by John E on 7/9/2001 at 6:44:58 AM
Since the frame was probably built in the early 1980s, the original wheel size was probably 700C, with a maximum tyre width of 28mm (or 32mm if it's a touring frame). The original brakes were probably mid-length sidepulls.

AGE / VALUE:   Curious Czeckolslovakian built Road Bike posted by: Gary M on 7/8/2001 at 5:37:57 PM
got in a cool vintage Czeck road bike. it has Favorit all over it, the neck is an I beam type, Favorit label. the center-pull brakes are also Favorit. it has a SunTour V-Luxe rear Derailler, SunTour front. Benex hubs Q/R front and rear. Sewn-up tires. Ornately lugged frame. SR cranks.
Nicely light. No badge. no names anywhere. Open to offers, its a nice although not high quality bike, someone must be looking for one.

   Center-pull brakes posted by Gary M on 7/9/2001 at 8:19:55 PM
Not just Favorit, these were Special Favorit. Funny isnt it how things go? one of my long time customers came in today, and happened to be from Chekolslovakia. I showed him the bike and i thought he was going to cry. He had no cash so i traded goods for it. Its got a Great home now.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Curious Czeckolslovakian built Road Bike posted by Paul Aslanides on 7/9/2001 at 5:22:29 AM
Interesting bike. 'Favorit' was the brand name on what was
probably the world's most common coaster brake hub, outside of the U.S.A. It may have been manufactured under licence from Sachs of Germany. The Czech. company was world famous for its CZ motorcycles, armaments and munitions.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Curious Czeckolslovakian built Road Bike posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 10:28:52 AM
Who made these ornately carved lugs? What are they called? Where was this made? How old is the bike? What kind of tubing used? Are they still around? Where is the company archive? and would they let somebody in to do a book telling the history of the company the products made and the men(women too)behind it all? If it is light and ornate why don't you enjoy it? I hope you find more bikes like this! Keep at it.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Curious Czeckolslovakian built Road Bike posted by Oscar on 7/9/2001 at 3:07:22 PM
I should start collecting centerpull brakes. Already I have Weinmann, Diacompe, Balilla and Mafac. Favorit?

AGE / VALUE:   headset adjustment for 70's bianchi posted by: mike on 7/8/2001 at 3:26:58 PM

Ive been scouring the net with no luck on this question.
I have a bianchi 70's vintage and Im looking for headset wreches for it. The headset doesnt have any flats but has 2 holes around the outside. This arrangement is seen on the locknut and the top cup. By looking at it, it seems there is some sort of pin spanner that is supposed to be used on it. Where can i buy tools for this setup? thnks all

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   headset adjustment for 70's bianchi posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 10:32:28 AM
That is a question for... Captain Bike! Sheldonbrown.com (Harris Cyclery)
There are many companies that sell bicycle tools.
Park, VAR and some others but I would ask Sheldon Brown.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   headset adjustment for 70's bianchi posted by desmo on 7/9/2001 at 12:40:00 PM
Most bike shops will have an adjustable pin spanner. Park Tools makes a rather flimsy but inexpensive pin spanner that is little more than a bent piece of steel wire that can fit almost any application if you get the spanner with the proper size pins. These are less than ideal for applying significant torque however. I've made a useable pin spanner out of nothing but 3mm Al plate, a band saw and two Grade 8 screws that have had the first turns of thread ground off.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Gran Prix posted by: Elvis on 7/8/2001 at 12:19:17 PM
I'm gonna pick up a Raleigh Gran Prix next week but I'm curious if I'm overpaying. The bike is a deep blue with black decals on seat tube. The head tube lugs are nicely cut out and the bar stem is a long thin GB. Wienmann centerpulls and Simplex shifters complete the package. Any idea what it's worth?
-- Elvis

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Gran Prix posted by Oscar on 7/8/2001 at 5:30:39 PM
The Raleigh Grand Prix is a very nice bike that's on the lower end of quality bikes. I think they were 531 main tubes built in a touring geometry. I don't know what you're paying for it, but it should be commuter bike money, not Italian tutti Campagnola racing money. Between $50 and $100?

   RE:VALUE   Raleigh Gran Prix posted by Elvis on 7/9/2001 at 5:14:24 AM
Thanks! That's about what I figured but I wasn't sure.

   RE:RE:VALUE   Raleigh Gran Prix posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 10:51:32 AM
I have one of these, I paid 15.00 for it. This is very near the bottom of the line. Retro Raleigh's has catalogs online and you can see the other better options. There were /are better models to choose from. I have a Super Course that at least has a 531 main tubes and Carlton Fork. Try to find something more tasty and something you can hop up with 700c wheels. The 3 speeds sell better than a Gran Prix which is a cheap model. The Simplex shifters are cheap plastic(Delrin) and nothing to get excited over. There is a lot out there, so be a bit snooty or snotty unless you really like this. The Gran Prix is not a good canidate to upgrade the wheels on. It may be possible but I never hear of this being done on a Gran Prix. Have you checked the prices paid on e- bay for the decorative red R nuts? (cotter pins, seat post fixing bolts, front axle nuts with the captive serrated washers.) These are used on the Raleigh Chopper. Also, if this bike has the black rubber reflectorized pedals with the circular stamp in the middle with the Raleigh emblem then these are getting good prices right now too. Perhaps it is worth more in parts?
Raleigh had one late 70's era model I think it was the Raleigh Super Tourerr. It had upright bars and was in a light green paint. A "all 531 model" is a joy to ride so why settle with something else. These were aimed at teenagers not adults too.

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Sports III posted by: Stu on 7/7/2001 at 4:00:29 PM
I have an early 70s Columbia Sports III. All original including tires, fair to good condition. Thoughts on value of this bike are greatly appreciated. Thanks!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Sports III posted by Stu on 7/10/2001 at 5:46:18 AM
It has a Shimano 3-speed gear shift on the handle bars, black with a silver face and a red plastic gear indicator, which is original. But it doesn't say "Lark" on it...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Sports III posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/9/2001 at 10:53:37 AM
Does this have the Shimano Lark deraileur?

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Melbourne Olympics posted by: Warren Meade on 7/6/2001 at 1:50:43 AM
I have just purchased an italian track frame ridden by G Pesenti to silver medal in the Sprint at the Melbourne olympics. One owner since. Head badge is missing, so need to find out what maker and what parts were on it. Was all chrome. I have a fifties Bianchi roadster, the head badge matched the holes on the track frame. Any clues or old photos appreciated.

FOR SALE:   schwinn 10sp seat pads posted by: todjob on 7/5/2001 at 8:29:33 PM
I have just purchased a load of new/used bike stuff so send your needs list i may have it i have some of the early schwinn seat pads with the schwinn approved logo on the sides most are like new cond. also to the person who needed a rear wheel schwinn late modle (small) chainguard 5 spoke style, i have some now

AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by: John on 7/5/2001 at 3:24:21 PM
2 Bikes picked-up recently:
Motobecane Grand Jubile, with Huret Jubile shifters, Weinman brakes, Normandy hubs, TA bottom bracket - looks like early-mid 1970's - red with black headtube and gold pinstriping. Missing crank, does anyone know what crank came on these? Also how to date and value these? Where in the Motobecane line-up did the Grand Jubile sit?
March 1971 Schwinn Sports Tourer, all original except wheels (campy GT rear shifter, Nervar cranks, Brooks B-15 saddle, etc. Too small for me, what is best venue to sell? What is the value?

   nice Moto! posted by John E on 7/5/2001 at 6:04:39 PM
From classicrendezvous.com:
"The Jubilee:
"A very refined bike with Nervex lugs and Reynolds tubing. Mostly French componentry incl. Stronglight 49 [crankset], Jubile derailleurs, etc."

I suspect the frame has db Reynolds 531 on the main triangle, making it comparable to (but MUCH better brazed and finished than) my Peugeot "almost a PX-10" PKN-10E. In the late 1970s, one of my cycling buddies had a Gran Jubilee, and I think the cranks were indeed Stronglights, although Nervar Stars or TAs would be reasonable alternatives. The comparable 1973 LeJeune used the TA Professional 3-bolt cotterless crank. My friend's Motobecane even survived being torn off (with the strap-on bike carrier) the roof of his Alfa Romeo when he drove into his carport. (The roof of the Alfa sustained most of the damage.)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by Walter on 7/5/2001 at 7:02:16 PM
Toward the end of the 70s there was also a "Jubilee" sans "Grand." Not nearly as nice as the earlier 70s version but a competent bike. Lots of Motos had proprietary cranks that had "Motobecane" in raised letters running lengthwise. My own Moto did. I'd guess they were made by TA or Stronglight.

About selling the Schwinn SS. If you don't mind shipping I'd probably use Ebay. Best opportunity for most exposure to buyers and as business profs like to say "let market forces have full sway." Failing that a classified ad might get the attention of a vintage collector if it's worded right.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by Richard Robinson on 7/6/2001 at 3:12:44 AM

About five months ago I too picked-up a '76 Grand Jubile (Moto spells it with one 'e' and I think Huret spelled it with two 'ee'). I had many questions about the bike and received a very detailed email from CR list member CB. The following are the details:

To begin: 1976 was the last year Motobecane offered the Grand Jubilee in 531. In 1977 it was built with DB Vitus 172. All Jubilees built with 531 also had Nervex Pro lugs and were introduced into the lineup in 1974 (531 = 1974-76).

Motobecane lists the 1974 model as having Huret dropouts (rear); Stronglight 49 crankset; Weinmann 999 brakes; Randonneur bend bars with a Pivo professional stem; Huret Jubilee derailleurs & Shifters; Atom 5 spd freewheel (14-26); Atom 440 pedals; Normandy Sport hubs; Weinmann 27" alloy rims & either Michelin or Hutchinson tires.

In 1976, the specs differed as follows: Pivo professional bars; EITHER Huret Jubilee OR Suntour Cyclone derailleurs/Shifters; Atom freewheel(14-28); Stronglight 49D OR S.R. AX5 crankset; Ideale 80 saddle (the '74
listed a padded suede saddle); The '76 spec sheet did not list the dropouts (rear) but surely, Suntour would have been a distinct possibility!!

I hope this info is as helpfull for you as it was for me. Nice bike, enjoy the ride!

Regards, Rich, Okinawa, Japan

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by Danny on 7/9/2001 at 5:35:02 PM
John could you give me a little more info on the Sports Tourer such as frame size,color, and over all condition of the bike.
Thanks danny

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by John on 7/9/2001 at 10:40:25 PM
Danny some detail on the Sports Tourer (FYI: an attempted e-mail directly to you was rejected):
Color is a silvery-champaign with black decals. Paint is scratched up with some surface rust where the paint is worn, the decals are in quite good condition, as is headbadge. Size is 53cm center of BB to center of top tube. Components are in very good condition, not very worn, not damaged and minimal blemishes. I have completely overhauled the bike. Chrome on forks looks good, but on close view there is some pitting, though no flaking. Wheels are nutted but both mated to alloy 27" rims. Tyres are shot, saddle is nice for 30 years old.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by Kevin K on 7/6/2001 at 8:11:07 AM
Hi. The Schwinn is a nice piece also, since it's the fillet brazed, hand made frame with the 3 piece crankset vs the Asthubula crank. Cool ! Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by John on 7/6/2001 at 3:18:40 PM
Thanks for the MOTO info. More detailed specs:
Weinman center pull brakes, Pivo stem and bars (bars are like a Cinelli Giro bend), Idale 80 Saddle with narrow rails, Normandy high-flange hubs mated to 27" Weinman alloy rims, no head-badge but a transfer instead. Tubing decal is missing but Reynolds shape outline where it was. I believe the rear dropout is Campy, definitely not Huret - front fork-end's are generic stamped - fork has rounded shoulders on the crown, makes me think it may not be the "stock" fork. Also the lettering of "Grand Jubile" is squarish - which someone said indicated dating. From the above my guess is it is 1975 or earlier??

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by Richard on 7/6/2001 at 5:03:40 PM
Hello again,

My '76 Moto Grand Jubile also has the square lettering, but has the round style headbadge, Suntour GS rear drop-outs and Huret fork tips. The lug set is, what I'm told the Nervex Pro. They're slightly different from my '73 Paramount's Nervex Pros. I have a G. Jubile test ride article from a '74 Bicycling Mag that describes the lugs as " the Nervex lugs are of the cutout variety not being used too extensively today." Give me a couple of days to scan the article and I'll send a copy if anyone is interested.

Regards, RICH

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 bikes posted by John on 7/6/2001 at 5:39:54 PM
Thanks Rich - I'd be interested in the article. I have a 70-72 Mondia with Nervex pro lugs and the Moto's lugs are just as fancy but are more cut - less curves and cutouts. Still nice looking though. And I love those Huret Jubilee derailleurs! The shift levers are Huret, but have round plastic tips on the shift levers. I'll check the drop-outs tonite.


AGE / VALUE:   carlton posted by: nick on 7/5/2001 at 8:15:40 AM
how much is a raleigh gran prix worth that has a carlton frame and what is the original rear derailuer (it has wienman centerpulls if that helps)

AGE / VALUE:   carlton posted by: nick on 7/5/2001 at 8:15:40 AM
how much is a raleigh gran prix worth that has a carlton frame and what is the original rear derailuer (it has wienman centerpulls if that helps)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   carlton posted by Walter on 7/5/2001 at 12:28:32 PM
Need alot more info to even guess. What shape is it in? What size? (size does matter if selling is your goal) What are the rest of the components?