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AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot Touring bike posted by: Tom on 8/13/2001 at 5:33:48 PM
Last week I got an old Peugeot touring 10 speed. The frame is white and a heavier bike. It has the factory rack, fenders, and lights front and back. It is in good shape and lights work. Today I am out and I come across a ladies Peugeot with the fenders and same lighting group,lights are broken. The ladies is blue and in very good shape. Does anyone have a set of lights for this bike also the generator is cracked.
How old would the mens be? Late 60's I would guess. Are they collectable?

   UE-8 and UE-18 posted by John E on 8/14/2001 at 8:43:09 AM
It sounds as though you have a UE-8, the European or touring version of the ubiquitous stripped-down U0-8. The corresponding mixtes are the UE-18 / U0-18. I would guess early 1970s. You may be able to tell from the sizes of the chainrings -- I forget the precise historical sequence, but Peugeot tried various combinations of 50-36, 52-36, etc., before settling on the old Alpine standard of 52-40 / 14-28. Peugeot serial numbers can be very tricky to decode into production dates.

   RE:UE-8 and UE-18 posted by Tom on 8/14/2001 at 12:22:49 PM
Thanks John The chainrings are 51 40. odd number. Everything is braise on including the wire holders, pump holders, generator bracket, fender holders. Nice bike.

   RE:RE:UE-8 and UE-18 posted by Warren on 8/15/2001 at 7:42:56 AM
I have the generator for you off of the same bike....my lights are cracked as well. You can have it for the shipping costs.

   European model posted by John E on 8/16/2001 at 7:09:02 AM
With all those braze-ons and the unusual chainring size, it sounds like a European model, as opposed to an American export model.

   RE:European model posted by Warren on 8/16/2001 at 7:53:45 PM
European and/or Canadian...I just stripped down one of these UE-18 mixte frames here in Toronto. Same braze-ons...the tiny wire braze-ons are particularly cool...about five of them running under the down tube and through the fenders where there are integrated clips running the wires to the front and rear fender mounted lights. The fenders are very high quality stainless with extra thick stays (doubled at the front in case you were wondering Why peugeots have that second braze-on on the front fork) and a chrome rack that also mounts like a rock to the fender. Really nice accessories. The tubing is the basic Peugeot gas pipe with the standard bike boom components. Really attractive when they're complete and in good shape and very comfortable to ride.

One nice component is the Mafac white plastic levers that come on UE-18 "straight bars". These are very good levers to mount on fixed gear road bikes cuz they are long and can be heated and bent to follow the arc of the bend in your bars. This gives you some added positioning on your bars.

Sorry to strip a complete bike but I need the accessories for an even nicer mint 1967 AO-8.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Armstrong moth posted by: Martin H. on 8/13/2001 at 4:39:53 PM

Hello all,

Looking for info on an old Armstrong Moth (road, touring, club ?) bike made in Birmingham, England. It has GB Sport side pull brakes, Atom hubs, rear flip-flop hub. I suspect that many of the components are not original. Looking for any info about this bike, including approximate age (I am thinking it is from the 1950’s), and original set-up and components. I have many pictures of the bike at:
Thank you!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Armstrong moth posted by Martin H on 8/13/2001 at 4:46:29 PM
There should be a tidle in front of hanczyc in the web site address - it is did not translate in the posted message.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Armstrong moth posted by Bob on 8/13/2001 at 8:23:38 PM
Interesting bike!

My guess would be that the bracket under the right chainstay is for a Cyclo deraileur or something similar. If so, that suggests a pre-1954 bike. The rest of the components seem to be a bit later. The crank looks to be a cotterless Stronglight. Does anyone know how early these were made?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Armstrong moth posted by Warren on 8/14/2001 at 6:16:43 PM
Great collection of English bikes, Martin. They're almost all early, original and good condition. I covet the Clubman. The Armstrong is nice as well...I'd side with Ben on the bracket belonging to a derailleur. There were many unusual ones back then.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Armstrong moth posted by Martn H. on 8/17/2001 at 2:05:55 PM
Thanks for your input! Warren, thanks for checking out my collection. I put the clubman in storage for a few years. Just recently I unpacked and reassembled it. A really great ride!

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Bob Mullins on 8/13/2001 at 2:07:23 PM
I recently purchased a Dutch Magneet Sprint de Luxe 27" bicycle. It appears that the Magneet bicycle stopped being manufactured in 1969, but did the name continue with another company? I can find very little on this bicycle on the net. Any help is appreciated.

   bicycleforum.com posted by John E on 8/13/2001 at 3:22:54 PM
Please repost on bicycleforum.com. One of the regulars, Ivo, is a Dutch mail carrier. If he does not know what happened to Magneet, he can probably find out pretty readily.

AGE / VALUE:   CAMPANIA " PROFESSIONAL " posted by: Kevin K on 8/13/2001 at 11:41:54 AM
Hi. I've a Campania Professional and I know nothing of the bike. The name is on a headtube badge in red, green and white so that tells me it's possibly Italian. Chrome lugs and sections in the seat/downtube are also chrome. No I.D. as to frame tubing but it is of a fine quality. Components: odd mix of Dura Ace, Suntour. Phil Wood rear hub. Bike is in pretty good condition. Any info would be great. Thank you, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CAMPANIA posted by Brian L. on 8/13/2001 at 12:07:21 PM
These were the subject of an earlier posting, but its been a while. As I recall, someone knowledgabe stated that they were made in Asia. The ones I have seen looked good from a distance, but were clunky up close, fabricated with plate cut drop outs and straight gauge tubing. Perhaps this one is better?

   CAMPANIA posted by John E on 8/13/2001 at 3:26:02 PM
I remember seeing a few in the early 1970s. It was an unexceptional, short-lived Japanese marque, with deliberately Italian-looking name and graphics. Frame tubing is double-butted Japanese CrMo, possibly Ishiwata or Tange.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CAMPANIA posted by Kevin K on 8/16/2001 at 9:02:02 AM
Man, I called that one wrong !

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CAMPANIA posted by Walter on 8/16/2001 at 5:52:34 PM
With the DA and the Phil Wood hub you didn't do bad though.

WANTED:   70's Gitane 25" frame touring fork..... posted by: Calvert on 8/13/2001 at 5:17:58 AM

I recently acquired a mid-70's tourer (there was no model ID on it)

The rear bridge has long reach brakes and plenty of room for fenders but the
front all chrome fork (a replacement I'm told) has short reach brakes and no
room for 32mm tires and a fender.

I'm setting it up as a Randonneur and will need to replace the fork...

Anyone out there have a Gitane (or comparable) fork with lots of clearance?

The stearing tube will need to fit a 25" frame.

I have lots of misc for trade.

Email me or call 816/363/4418


Calvert Guthrie
Kansas City

   RE:WANTED:   70's Gitane 25 posted by Keith on 8/22/2001 at 9:45:55 AM
Most LBSs should be able to sell you a decent chromoly replacement fork for $30 or so (e.g. Tange made them), that will have the proper clearance, and may be better made than the Gitane. You might need a new headset, though, since the Gitane is likely French threads.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: log on 8/12/2001 at 8:33:52 PM
Does anyone have a 23 in. Concord, Nashiki, Raliegh, or soma you would like to sell. i might be interested.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Brian L. on 8/12/2001 at 8:56:44 PM
I have a pretty complete Fuji, dbl-butted Valite tubing that's yours for the price of shipping, or come by and pick it up in Seattle.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by log on 8/16/2001 at 3:38:57 PM
thanks for the offer, but i'm still thinking about it.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Danny on 8/17/2001 at 7:45:25 PM
I have a Nishiki 12 speed I would be interested in selling.
It is black with a 25 inch frame and in very good condition.
Let me know if this would be of interest to you.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by log on 8/17/2001 at 9:15:08 PM
maybe, but I was mainly looking for concord.
Thanks, i'll think about it.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX10 missing rear dropout spacer posted by: Lee on 8/12/2001 at 7:21:58 PM
Hello all:
I'm in a real pickle here. I'm restoring a '72 PX10 and the previous owner
cut off the derailleur hanger that was a part of the frame in order to
accommodate a modern derailleur upgrade using a bolt-on hanger. In doing
this evidently he threw away the little spacer that slips into the dropout
and prevents the axle of the rear wheel from going all the way to the back
of the dropout. The new bolt-on hanger did this job instead.

Well...a frame shop says they can fabricate a new hanger for the frame but I
need to ask if anybody knows where I can get another spacer? Can I
manufacture one somehow? Do I even need the spacer? The spacer on the other
dropout is still there.

I have pictures of the spacer and the dropout sans the hanger.

If anybody can help me with this I would be greatly appreciative. Thanks

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX10 missing rear dropout spacer posted by Wings on 8/12/2001 at 11:08:34 PM
So that is what that is!!! I had one in my hand last week and knew I would never use it and thought the chances were really slim of hearing about anyone needing one -- so I tossed it! Sorry! I just went out and checked the parts disposal container in the garage. It is gone. Should we ever toss anything????

    rear dropout spacer posted by John E on 8/13/2001 at 6:25:59 AM
Any shop that can fabricate a derailleur hanger can certainly fabricate a dropout spacer for you. You can also substitute various bits of hardware to do the same job, or just skip it entirely, if you don't mind centering your rear wheel by hand. It is not a mission-critical component by any means. My 1960 Capo predates rear dropout spacers, and since I am not doing 9-second TdF-style pit stops, I don't really miss them.

I really do not understand people who amputate derailleur tabs. With a small amount of filing and/or rethreading, I have always been able to hang any desired derailleur on any given tab. (Current cases in point: SunTour Cyclone on a 1980 Simplex dropout and SunTour V-Luxe on a 1960 proprietary Capo dropout designed for a Campy Gran Sport. Both work beautifully.)

   RE: rear dropout spacer posted by dave on 8/13/2001 at 10:50:25 AM
I had my hands on some of these in the last couple of weeks ... did not throw them out but finding them may be interesting -- but I will look tonight.

   RE:RE: rear dropout spacer posted by Wings on 8/13/2001 at 11:47:48 PM
I remember the spacer to be about 1 mm. I think you could easily make one! It would just require some cutting and filing!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX10 missing rear dropout spacer posted by Lee on 8/14/2001 at 2:26:25 AM
Hello All:

I have just heard back from the frame builder and she says after viewing a photo that the derailleur hanger cannot be repaired or fabricated. She says that the whole dropout will need to be replaced and the chances of replacing it with an original "Simplex" is next to impossible. It will most likely be a Cinelli or Campy dropout instead and in order to get proper frame alignment...both dropouts will probably need to be replaced.

So, I'm checking around for anyone anywhere who may have a new or can salvage a used right side rear dropout made by Simplex for a circa 1972 Peugeot PX10. Anyone who wants to see my dropout I can e-m an attachment jpeg for viewing.

Thanks to all you guys for helping me out. From here on out...I'm not throwing anything away...which will surely provoke my wife's consternation.

I want to give very big THANK YOU to my friend in Seattle, WA who has come through with some dropout spacers.

And to the rest of you a thank you for taking the time to look through your stuff.

     PX10 Simplex derailleur hanger posted by John E on 8/14/2001 at 8:53:45 AM
I'll bet the Simplex dropouts on my 1980 PKN-10 would work well, but the frame is still a few years from becoming a fittings donor. Why don't you check with jim@cyclart.com, since he occasionally gets an unsalvageable frame at his shop, and with Sheldon at Harris cyclery, since he's a big Francophile and fixed-gear fan? I still do not understand why a good brazer could not fabricate a tab for your dropout and silver-solder it on. The joint would not have to be cosmetically perfect or particularly strong.

I have learned never to throw away small screws, bolts, nuts, clips, fasteners, adaptors, etc. When I trashed the aluminum BB lockring (not one of Campy's better ideas!) on my 1982 Bianchi, I was able to substitute the old cheapo steel lockring from my long-deceased 1962 Bianchi.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX10 missing rear dropout spacer posted by Lee on 8/14/2001 at 6:27:14 PM
John E: I did indeed check with Jim Cunningham of CyclArt and low and behold he had a pair of Simplex rear dropouts that appear to be exactly of the type that I need...I was astounded. Not only that but he was able to supply a pair of Stronglight alloy dust caps to boot.

I am reminded of a line by Spenser which I have slightly altered..."The fields, the floods, the bicycle gods, with one consent did seem to laugh on me, and favor mine intent."

John E. I don't know if I asked you but you wouldn't happen to have a "Simplex" seatpost binder hex bolt/nut that you may have come across in your travels and are willing to sell would you...?

   binder bolt posted by John E on 8/16/2001 at 7:18:12 AM
I have one, but it's on my Peugeot and suffers from surface corrosion, since I live a km from the Pacific Ocean. I am surprised Jim does not have one for sale at his shop, but am I glad he had your dropouts. (I have gone on a few of his Vintage Bicycle Assn. rides this summer. He usually rides the 1976 Masi Gran Criterium that he painted when he worked in Mario Confente's factory.)

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   PX10 missing rear dropout spacer posted by Lee on 8/16/2001 at 11:23:45 PM
Oh, what I would give to have a Masi from Mario Confente's factory...maybe someday, the stuff of dreams.

AGE / VALUE:   which Trek? posted by: ron on 8/11/2001 at 3:28:12 PM
I just acquired a gorgeous early-eighties (my guess is '82) Trek road bike. Reynolds 531 frame, Superbe b/b, Superbe Pro crankset, Cyclone Mk II shifters and derailluers, NGC-500 brakes, Specialized hubs and Mavic MA-40 rims. It is dark gray metallic with contrasting sky blue panels on the seat tube and head tube. It is a sport tourer with one set of fender/rack braze-ons on the dropouts and braze-ons on the seatstays for a rack. It is in pristine condition, but there is no model number on the bike. Does anyone have a guess as to where this bike would fit into Trek's line up? Were Treks of this era still made in Wisconsin and were they all still silver-brazed at this time? Any info on this bike would be appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: which Trek? posted by dave on 8/14/2001 at 6:11:42 AM
Trek seems to have used a bewildering array of frame materials and I hope others on the list will weigh in on this topic and help on this question. Just last week I picked up a Trek with the following tubing sticker wording "Guaranteed built with Reynolds 531c Fork blades, stays & butted frame tubes"
I don't seem to recalling seeing the "c" behind the 531 before ... anyone know what this denotes? this bike (a $10 thrift store find) also has Campy dropouts but was outfitted with a mix of stuff -- mostly cheap, like Dia Compe brake calipers, the mid range Suntour ARX DRs, etc
Last year I found a Trek with Columbus double butted tubing, also with Campy dropouts, and I have one with Ishawata tubing with Suntour dropouts ... All have the older head badge, but I have no clue as to how to date
these various frames.

   www.reynoldsusa.com posted by John E on 8/14/2001 at 10:41:36 AM
The T.I.Reynolds American website, www.reynoldsusa.com, has a "contact us" button. I wonder whether someone there would expert enough regarding company history to tell us what the "c" means. In the 1970s, I did hear about different wall thicknesses of Reynolds 531 tubing, with single-letter designations, but I cannot tell you whether "c" is lighter or heavier than "a," for example.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   which Trek? posted by Michael on 8/16/2001 at 5:46:44 PM
The bike you are talking about is more than likely from the early 80's (that is if the blue panes you are taliking about are actually stick-on decal panels). Trek started in the late 70's in response to the fact that there were no high-quality production framesets being built in the U.S. They began solely as framebuilders, supplying sport/touring framesets with Reynolds tubing. Due to demand Trek began shipping their framesets with component "packages." Since this preceded the shimano glut, these packages were combined with an emphasis on selecting the best components on the market for a particular style and pricepoint of bike. Trek didn't start pre-assembling any of their bikes until about 1982.m It's hard to put your bike into any kind of line-up, since what Trek had then (too few) and what they have now (too many) are two different things. I think your guess on the age is correct, since I think that is the time they introduced the contrasting head tube. I would have to put it as one of the better models for that time period. Keep the bike as it represents a great era in American production bicycles. Happy riding.
PS: As for the "c" designation on the 531 decal, I believe it stood for "competition." My 1984 Trek 660 racing bike had the same decal. The wall thickness on the middle portion of the tube was slightly, and I mean Slightly, thinner.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: which Trek? posted by Willie on 8/19/2001 at 8:50:52 PM
I believe the "C" denotes "competition" I started to see Reynolds 531 decals with letters after the numbers in the mid-80'S. There was also a 531ST for sport-touring I think. The 531C must have been equivalent to the regular 531 before they started to add letters.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: which Trek? posted by ron on 8/20/2001 at 7:20:18 PM
The "C" does mean competition. 531C had essentially the same tubes as plain old 531 except that the seatstays on the former were of a lighter gauge. 531ST used the same tubes as plain old 531 did except for the substitution of a heavier downtube and heavier fork blades. There was also a 531P (professional) tube set, the specs for which I cannot seem to find.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   which Trek? posted by John on 8/23/2001 at 10:46:15 PM
I picked up, then resold a similar Trek with the blue head tube. The seat tube was a sticker. The drop-outs were Suntour and was built with Reynolds 531 but the sticker was messed up so I couldn't tell exactly. Had Suntour Cyclone MKII derailleurs, superbe brakes a nice Sugino Aero Tour (AT) triple crank and Heliocomatic hubs. This seems to support the notion that Trek was building frames primarily and putting whatever seemed best on the bikes. The parts bespoke of early 1980's. Sold it to a couple planning a tour through Africa.

AGE / VALUE:   shimano 600 ax complete bicycle posted by: ray-ray on 8/10/2001 at 11:04:17 PM
I recently acquired shimano 600ax equipped bicycle. The frame has aero tubing(down tube,seat tube,and seatstays) and sew-up rims. There are no decals on the frame except the head tube. The head tube decal reads "NORTA" in the middle with the words "aero tubing" below and the shimano insignia above. I would like to have some information on this bike. If anyone has any I would really appreciate it.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Firebird,Peugeot Trophee de France seat tube decal posted by: Patrick Layton on 8/10/2001 at 8:53:45 PM
I have an early 70's Raleigh Firebird w/ Huret rear derailleur .Any info?Also I am restoring an early to mid. 60's Peugeot w/a Trophee de France seat tube decal,Van Schothorst rim and very old Simplex serial# 221882.My wife is getting jealous of this bike!(if you know what I mean)Any information will be greatly appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Firebird,Peugeot Trophee de France seat tube decal posted by Reginald Strathmore on 8/18/2001 at 7:41:22 PM
To clarify my inquiry:Are the Sturmey-Archer rims stainless steel?The stem is a Milremo,the brakes are Altenburg Synchro and the rear derailleur pulleys are toothless.I'm wondering what year Raleigh made the "Firebird",I cannot find it in any catalogs.Also,how does one decipher 6-digit Peugeot serial numbers to determine date of manufacture?Van Schothorst? anyone?anyone?

AGE / VALUE:   Suntour BL derailleurs posted by: Art on 8/9/2001 at 2:17:03 PM
I found a Motobecane Jubilee Sport in the trash. Nothing very exciting, but the derailleurs, Suntour BL, were a variation I had never seen before. They are alloy with black highlights. The downtube shifters are cut out. What are these?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suntour BL derailleurs posted by Brian L. on 8/9/2001 at 4:30:33 PM
Hi Art. How's Arizona - hot enough for you?

I've seen lots of BLs around. They came in blue and black band variants. I'm not sure how they fall out in the SunTour line up, or time line, but they are not dissimilar to the Cyclone series and some parts are interchangeable, depending on what variant of each were talking about. The return spring seemed to vary greatly in terms of length and complexity. I've seen both flat coiled springs and spiral wound. They shift fairly well, but are a bit on the light side in terms of construction. I really like Cyclones a lot. I tend to salvage these for parts like the cages, pulleys and mounting bolts.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suntour BL derailleurs posted by Brian L. on 8/9/2001 at 4:31:24 PM
"these" in the last line referred to BLs, not Cyclones.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Suntour BL derailleurs posted by Art on 8/9/2001 at 4:48:42 PM
Thanks Brian. I saved the derailleurs and shifters, everything else was bent or rusted. When it gets above 110 it's not very fun. I've been riding early in the morning but if I don't get out early enough I bake on the ride home. It rained last night, so I got a good ride in this morning. Art

AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by: Sherri on 8/9/2001 at 2:02:57 PM
I'm trying to find out the age and value of a Schwinn girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed. Everything on the bike is orignal, it was found at a yard sale. Would appreciate any help on this.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by Wings on 8/9/2001 at 11:45:25 PM
I would really need more information: Tire size? Serial number and where it is located? Components (names on derailers, etc.). But the only pink Schwinns I have seen are as follows: Twenty inch wheels with a bananna seat made after the Chicago Sting Ray versions -- $20. Twenty-four inch narrow tires on a girls 10 speed (Made in Taiwan or China) -- $29. Women's 26 inch fat tire cruiser (Taiwan) in good shape has sold for $99 in my Southern California area.
Prices vary greatly with bike and the area of the country.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by sherri on 8/12/2001 at 3:44:55 PM
In reply to your questions, the tire size is 27 inches and the derailer says Schwinn approved and the serial number is DH076731. We are in the southern California area. I appreciate your help.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by Eric Amlie on 8/13/2001 at 7:04:47 AM
Your serial number indicates an April 1972 frame. I checked the 1972 Schwinn catalog and cannot find any 10 speed bike in pink. If your bike is original it may be unusual. Their should be a model name on one of the down tubes, or maybe it was a special promotional bike.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by sherri on 8/13/2001 at 2:49:58 PM
I also found on the derailer GT.150. I hope that gives more information!Thankyou for all your help.sherri

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by Oscar on 8/13/2001 at 7:04:24 PM
Here's another question: Is it a one-piece crank, or are the crank arms bolted on? Another question: are the brakes center pull (is there a cable that straddles between two brake arms) or side pull (brake cable goes to only one side of the brake unit)? Final question: Are there holes where the head badge should be? Final final question: How far apart are the holes?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by sherri on 8/13/2001 at 8:29:04 PM
The bike has a one piece crank, and cable is on the side and the front plate says Schwinn, Chicago and an R with a cirle around it. Also what is a head badge and where would it be located on the bike. Thank you for your help!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by Oscar on 8/14/2001 at 1:04:12 PM
Alright fellas. We have a 10- speed Chicago Schwinn with a one piece crank and sidepulls. Who says Varsity?

Sherri, the headbadge is the nameplate. If it's oval, it's Chicago built. If it's round, it's an import (World Traveler?)

Still, nothing explains the pink paint...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by sherri on 8/14/2001 at 7:47:08 PM
The pink paint looks like the orignal and the name Cotton Candy 10 speed is on the frame, on the top bar. Is it worth anything? Thanks......

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Value on Schwinn Girls Cotton Candy pink 10 speed posted by Oscar on 8/15/2001 at 12:28:17 PM
Well, it may not pay off the student loans, but it would probably sell for more than $50 in a general market. If you give it wide exposure, like on eBay, you may be surprised to find some Schwinn lightweight fetishist to pay up something interesting. Vague, I know, but I never sold a bike.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Graziella Bicycle posted by: Michael Rintz on 8/9/2001 at 7:05:39 AM
I recently obtained a bicycle from my father in-law. The
bike was bought in Italy almost 30 years ago. It is a children's bike called a "Graziella" Junior (it might be called something else - I'm not sure). The bike folds
or collapses for storage purposes. It is a solid bike, it
weighs a ton but it needs some work (it's been sitting in his crawl space for 20-some years). Does anyone have any information regarding this bike or what this bike might be worth to someone who wants to restore it. Thanks

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Graziella Bicycle posted by Steven on 8/24/2001 at 11:24:49 PM
The Graziella bicycles are a dime a dozen in Italy. Before leaving Italy 3 months ago, I tried to give away 2 of them and nobody would take them, not even when left out in the street. They were probably the best selling bicycles in Italy in the late 60's - early 70's. There are even tandem and triplet versions that you can still find at bike rental stands at beach resorts. They don't ride too well and are as heavy as anything. They make fun trick bikes when you ride them in the semi-folded state.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   LeTour fork steerer tube diameter posted by: Walter on 8/9/2001 at 6:38:09 AM
Did early LeTours ( ca.1974) use a fork with a slightly smaller diameter steerer tube than "normal?" I have 1 I converted to fixed gear and want to put on a stem with more rise. It currently has a Gran Compe stem that didn't come with the frame but is probably the same vintage. A new 1" stem will not fit. Also a Nitto stem that had been on my wife's Fuji and is of late 70s-early 80s vintage doesn't fit either. I thought they were all 1" or did Schwinn have the early Japanese frames spec'ed differently? Maybe an old Varsinental stem?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   LeTour fork steerer tube diameter posted by Keith on 8/9/2001 at 7:27:44 AM
The same is true of a World Voyager I had. It used a smaller diameter SR stem. I never measured it, but maybe a French stem would fit (there were some nicer forged ones I think you could trust).

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   LeTour fork steerer tube diameter posted by Steven Spires on 8/9/2001 at 10:09:12 AM
The stem is 21.15 mm. I have the same problem on my approx 1981 Schwinn Voyager 11.8. It's the old American size, the steerer tube is thicker than the standard, even though the headset is 1". I haven't found any solutions, maybe someone else knows one. Steven

   stem diameter posted by John E on 8/9/2001 at 12:38:36 PM
A French stem won't help you, since they were 22.0mm. It sounds as though Schwinn either provided the steerer tubes or asked Panasonic/Giant/etc. to build them thick-walled, to accommodate Schwinn handlebar stems. Actually, for safety reasons, the steerer tube, fork crown, and fork blades are not bad areas to over-engineer.

   RE:stem diameter posted by Wings on 8/9/2001 at 11:55:33 PM
The older Schwinns and BMX used the stem that was slightly smaller than 1 inch. I have a big box of harvested stems just under 1 inch and a little box of a couple of 1 inch stems. Schwinn's early mountain bikes (Mesa Runner for example) did use the 1 inch stem. Very frustrating if you wish to use one of the new one inch stems. Look for old bikes with a long stem to harvest! Carry a Vernier Caliper!

   RE:RE:stem diameter posted by Wings on 8/10/2001 at 12:11:03 AM
The one inch stem measures 7/8 inch or 22.+mm. But it is called a one inch stem.
The smaller stem is closer to 13/16 inch than 7/8 inch or approximately 21.+ mm. Ugh. Got grease on the keyboard!!!

   RE:RE:RE:stem diameter posted by Walter on 8/10/2001 at 5:21:39 AM
Thanks for all the info. I gather the difference is from thickness of the tube not overall diameter? Since I have an old chrome fork from a similar vintage bike the Schwinn headset should fit? I don't want to buy a headset this is just a project bike I wanted to make a little more comfortable while I work on my spin.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:stem diameter posted by Oscar on 8/10/2001 at 1:58:29 PM
Sheldon Brown sells long quilled 21.1 stems that fit old Schwinn steerer tubes. Not classically attractive, but not offensive either. Silver steel quill and black aluminum extension.

A 1" headset will fit old Schwinn and normal steerer tubes. The difference is in the internal diamater. Old Schwinn headsets have a narrower "hole" for the narrower stem.

AGE / VALUE:   Mercian info needed posted by: Mike Slater on 8/8/2001 at 6:19:46 PM
Ran across a pretty Mercian last weekend and would appreciate opinions regarding age and Mercians in general.

Not sure about the frame material, but here is the componet mix:
Simplex dropouts and derailers - FD was the simplex straight movement type. Normandy HF hubs with steel rims, Mafac Racer centerpulls and Mafac levers, Cottered steel crank. Frame material sticker was unclear...was not 531!

Did Mercian produce low - mid range bikes?

With the cottered crank and steel rims, I was thinking this might be a early sixties bike?? Any thoughts?

Any and all opinions appreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercian info needed posted by Keith on 8/9/2001 at 7:26:04 AM
Mercian is strictly a small shop, and made (and makes) only higher-end bikes. They used only Reynolds 531 in the 60s and 70s, and still use 531 on many models. Are you sure you don't have a Mercier? People frequently mistake my Mercian Professional for a Mercier. Mercier was a mass-produced French bike, akin to Peugeot, Gitane, or Motobecane. The components you describe would be consistent with a low-end Mercier.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercian info needed posted by Mike Slater on 8/9/2001 at 11:59:52 AM
Good point Keith - I'll have to check and "positively" identify the bike this weekend. If it is a Mercian, sounds like it might be worth picking up.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercian info needed posted by Tom on 8/8/2001 at 10:24:25 PM
Mercian Cycles have been around for many years and still make great frames. The first 2 letters in your serial# should be the year the bike was made. The other numbers would be the number of the frames they made that year. You could contact them and they may answer any questions you have for your bike. I had a 68 Mercian and my serial number started with 68. I contacted them and they answered all my questions. It sounds like one of the early bikes 60's. This is the website.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercian info needed posted by MichaelW on 8/10/2001 at 5:03:23 AM
Mercian are a well known and respected English builder.
They were amongst the last people to adopt gas torches for brazing, preferring the open-hearth method of heating lugs.
Mercians are well worth collecting, but dont be afraid to ride it. I know people who use old Mercian frames for their everyday commuter bikes.