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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by: Jonathan on 10/11/2002 at 3:36:28 AM
I am puzzled by one of my Peugeot 10 speed bicycles. Hardly any decals. It has no lugs anywhere! Campy threaded drop out extension. This bike is not light, but it handles superbly in traffic. I got it so long ago, I can't recall what componentry it possessed; all of it was wrecked. Right now I have a Suntour "cyclone" running the rear end and the fr. derailer is original Huret-Sachs on the downtube. I tried the CR website and read ALL the Peugeot posts, links, etc. I couldn't find anything about a lug-free Peugeot. Is this an unusual Peugeot, or was the lugless model(s) common elsewhere than in the USA?
I really can't describe how great it rides on the bike path. The geometry is definitely for touringrather than roadwork. Any comments would be appreciated beyond any reasonable degree. This has become an obsession!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by Keith on 10/11/2002 at 3:35:43 PM
I've seen and once owned what you've described, both a stripped frame as well as a complete bike, equiped with Sachs derailleurs and Mailard Helicomatic rear hub. I don't recall a model name, but it was made with "Carbolite" tubing, yet another fancy name for plain carbon steel. It was lugless, or, perhaps, internally lugged. I recall when I was cold-setting the stays and fork, the tubing seemed very soft and easy to bend -- moreso than other steel tubing I've encountered. This could be due in part to the fact that the tubing was narrow -- it took an odd-sized seatpost, even narrower than other, earlier Peugeots.

AGE / VALUE:   Like new Nishiki International 12 spd. posted by: JOHN on 10/11/2002 at 1:51:46 AM
I acquired a Nishiki International 12 spd. road bike with Sun-Tour components. Estimate bike to be about 15 yrs. old, but in excellent condition. No rust anywhere, only one or two spots with minimal scratches that could be buffed out. Rims and all metal has no rust, appears to have been stored very well. Only the handlebar "cotton" tape is worn and the sides of the Selle Royal seat are worn on the rear corners. It has Suntour Cyclone M-II Components with Sugino MS crank. It has KKT Pro-Vic II pedals.The handlebars are Sakae Custom Road Champion. It has a AFA frame pump and the frame is handmade by Kawamura. The wheels are 27 X 1 Araya aluminum. I am having a hard time tracking any info down b/c this is a Japanese bike but was curious about any history especially the excellent condition it is in. Thanks for any info.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Like new Nishiki International 12 spd. posted by Skip Echert on 10/12/2002 at 7:11:15 AM
Hello John -
Nice Find! The International was Nishiki's second best bike during the mid 70s. The Competition was their best bike until they came out with the Superbe(?) in about 78, equipped with SunTour Surperbe components. The Cyclone II came out in 82, according to "The Dancing Chain". You should be able to date the bars and crank. Have a look at for details. Value? I would guess it would sell for $150 to $200 at a shop specializing in used bikes.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Like new Nishiki International 12 spd. posted by JOHN on 10/13/2002 at 3:15:18 AM
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   Falcon - Ernie Clements posted by: Tim Welsh on 10/10/2002 at 11:36:36 PM
I could buy a Falcon (some kind of Shimano components), that is an 'Olympic Edition by Ernie Clements). Anybody know who he is, and if this is a good bike. I only called to ask about it, haven't yet seen it. Owner says there's nothing identifying tubing.

Anyone know who Ernie Clements is? Is this a significant bike in any way? (Sorry this is posted below, but I think it got lost).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Falcon - Ernie Clements posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/11/2002 at 12:58:07 AM
E- mail me

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Falcon - Ernie Clements posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/13/2002 at 6:10:42 PM
Ernie was a cycle racer.
The Falcon racing team for 1961 was: Harry Reynolds, Jimmy Rae, Owen Blower, John Perks, G. Bye, G. Clements(unsure if G. Clements was related, possibly)

Falcon Lightweight Cycles LTD., Smethwick, Staffs
Now this is old info, Falcon was sold after this BUT they are still in business!
This bike you have may likely be from before the sale of Falcon. We would need to see a photo and somebody would have to have an info sheet from some old publication.
Have you seen Cycles Do Oro
Classic lightweight page?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Falcon - Ernie Clements posted by Tim Welsh on 10/15/2002 at 5:58:44 AM
Thanks for the response. I was away in my hometown for the weekend, and my dear Maman doesn't have Internet access.

I am not clear about your responses, but it sounds as though this bike may be of historical significance. If it is, I will be very interested to pick it up and take care of it. Please give me some more info about what your comments may mean about the bike (sorry, but my knowledge is only so-so, but I do love vintage lightweights). Thanks.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Falcon - Ernie Clements posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/18/2002 at 5:27:52 PM
Ernie was an Olympic cyclist champion.
I have only so much information on Falcon bikes. With a ping of your fingernail against the bike or lifting it up, you could be able to tell if it is an 531 framed bike?
What are they asking for it?
If it is reasonable, I'd go for it.
Probably not one of the actual bike Ernie rode in the Olympics but a vintage British bicycle and historic in the sense that it is old and has some value and has good high quality workmanship.
Can you post a picture if you buy it for us to see.
I am no great authority on Falcon but, generally it sounds nice.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Falcon - Ernie Clements posted by Jonathan Pearce on 11/22/2002 at 5:30:57 PM
I actually saw Ernie Clements today in his cycle shop, Cycles Clements in New Street, Ledbury, Worcestershire. He is well and specialises in Claud Butler (he was a major mover in Falcon Cycles) ans Simoncini. I have a custom made Ernie Clements hybrid/racer based on a Simoncini frame - a delight. As previously mentioned he was a superb cyclist. He gave me an article from a Telford local mag describing him as the David Beckam of his day!!!

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot posted by: Tom on 10/10/2002 at 9:58:19 PM
Peugeot Dordogne, tourer, 531. Any got any comments on it, heard of it? Looking to buy an every day bike for work, and the odd ride out when I don't fancy getting my good bike out and one is on offer for about 60 pounds - good condition. Many thanks for any help.

      Peugeot posted by John E on 10/11/2002 at 1:56:24 AM
I do not recognize the model name. Please tell more about it (components, decal pattern, etc.). Any Peugeot with at least a 531 main triangle would make a great commuter (I have one, myself). Check the PX-10 site in the French section of classicrendezvous.com to see if you can find a decal/paint match.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Panosonic Grand Touring posted by: Jonathan on 10/10/2002 at 2:35:35 PM
Will try again,seems to be something wrong with e-mail. Here goes, I was given a 15 speed Panasonic Grand Touring bicycle. It has the following: Champion No. 2 Butted Tubes, brakes are Diacomp 500 sidepull, pedals are Sugino Gt, rims areShimanovia hj\10 Shimano, derailleur is Shimano. Serial number is 4F05964. It was in like new condition when I got it and I have put on 5000 miles in the two years I've had it. It's a great ride! Questions are: when was this bike made and what was the going price when it was new? Thanks

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Panosonic Grand Touring posted by Walter on 10/11/2002 at 1:17:33 AM
I first recall seeing Panasonic roadies in the late 1970s but I don't know the vintage of your bike. Panasonic had a large line-up from quite nice to quite so-so. Triples were uncommon during the 70s but were present. I don't think Panasonic maintained a presence in the US market after the 1980s but am not sure. Since you say 15 speed it must be a 5 speed freewheel which is usually associated with bikes before the mid80s but that's not hard and fast. What model Shimano derailleurs?

Long and short is I don't know but maybe my ramblings can get you started.

FOR SALE:   Viscount Lightweight posted by: Lane on 10/10/2002 at 12:37:50 AM
Nice bike. I have the identical bike on Ebay right now so you may get the value side of things. Viscount Lightweight English Bicycle Campagnolo Item # 1867037031
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1867037031&rd=1 Sorry for the commercialism.

AGE / VALUE:   viscount 10 spd. posted by: Kevin S on 10/9/2002 at 11:40:38 PM
recently I purchased I viscount 10 spd. bicycle for $30. all looks to be original. my guess is it is an early model from the time Yamaha purchased the company. it has the european made frame yet, but has shimano derairelers. has an alluminum seat post, quick release hubs. etc. fork is a crome plated "crowned" design. it has a lugless frame. the handle bars are not anodized/gold plated anywhere. I know it is not really valuable, but seems to be a good solid bike for the price. any recommendations? dependability? etc.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   viscount 10 spd. posted by Skip Echert on 10/10/2002 at 12:43:11 AM
Hello Kevin -
Check the messages on 10/6 and 10/7 (below) about Viscount. If the fork is aluminum, don't ride it! Get a new fork for riding but keep the old one for collector's value. See more info at Dale Brown's site: . Info also can be had by searching the archives at BikeList.org LOTS of good bike info there.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   viscount 10 spd. posted by Keith on 10/10/2002 at 3:13:25 PM
FWIW Nashbar has threaded 1" Kinesis Alu forks on sale for $29.95 -- it would be a good replacement.

MISC:   Thanks Vin! posted by: Stacey on 10/9/2002 at 7:29:22 PM
You might want to jump over to the Brit board for a few sweeps too. :-)

AGE / VALUE:   Shiano components with loopy arrow on it posted by: Trevo on 10/9/2002 at 7:21:32 PM
I got this Ross bike and all the compnents on it say shimano and have a little loopy arrow design engraved in all the parts. Cranks,levers,shifters,derrailurs. The whole Lot. What model of shimano are these? Cant find any info on them.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shiano components with loopy arrow on it posted by Kevin K on 10/9/2002 at 9:23:42 PM
Hi. Sounds like early Shimano 600 pieces. Nice. If the bikes in good condition could be worth keeping. Kevin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shiano components with loopy arrow on it posted by Trevor on 10/10/2002 at 5:19:51 AM
I disasembled the bike, still have the parts but dident like the bike. I'd like to appreciate the parts on another bike. What year would one associate "shimano 600" around?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shiano components with loopy arrow on it posted by Walter on 10/11/2002 at 1:10:10 AM
S600 goes back to the later 1970s anyways. In later incarnations it became 600EX, 600 Ultegra and currently is just called Ultegra. Always their #2 behind DuraAce and of high quality/durability.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shiano components with loopy arrow on it posted by Trevo on 10/11/2002 at 5:05:38 PM
So if I had cranks,brakes,shifters,derrailurs and levers All of this make, is the set worth money?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shiano components with loopy arrow on it posted by Skip Echert on 10/12/2002 at 7:26:23 AM
Hello Trevor -
Worth money? - If one bought these components at a used bike store, I would guess the total would be $75 to $150 depending on condition.

FOR SALE:   VINTAGE DURA-ACE PRO MODEL CRANKSET-NIB posted by: MC on 10/9/2002 at 1:11:48 AM
There is a BRAND NEW vintage Dura Ace crankset on ebay still in the original box. I do not know what "NIB" means, but it looks like it's never been used at all. Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1866457307&rd=1

   RE:FOR SALE:   VINTAGE DURA-ACE PRO MODEL CRANKSET-NIB posted by Gralyn on 10/9/2002 at 2:42:11 AM
"NIB" means New In Box

AGE / VALUE:   "G"? posted by: Timothy Welsh on 10/8/2002 at 11:19:57 PM
I need some help (actually, I need all kinds of help, but this is someting specific).

I got an ex-courier bike for Cdn $20 at a garage sale last weekend. Good cond mid-90's 600 der and cranks (one ring), dual pivot front brake (no rear), recent 105 8 spd hub wheels in great shape. Mtn stem and bars.

The thing was so dirty it was hard to identify as a good bike. After rubbing off some grime, the frame looks good, but the only remaining identification on it is a 'G' on the top end of the seat stays. No tubing stickers, just courier graffitti.

From Canada it could be a 'Gardin'. Any other guesses?

I think I'll sand and re-paint it, because the frame is straight and clearly well-built.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Rob on 10/9/2002 at 6:04:03 PM
How about Guerciotti?...Check out the dropouts for a name and the style and look for a serial number...you might get a few clues there. How about the color...a blue/yellow color scheme was very common on Gardins...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by dafydd on 10/10/2002 at 2:39:04 AM

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Gardin posted by Tim on 10/10/2002 at 6:37:05 PM
Of course, I should have checked the drop-outs. Original colour would be anybody's guess, but it appears to be white (with blue lettering for the 'G'). Thanks for the tips, I'll let you know if I get any more clues. I'd love to find out it's a Guerrciotti, but how would the serial number tell me that?

Also, I could buy a Falcon (some kind of Shimano components), that is an 'Olympic Edition by Ernie Clements). Anybody know who he is, and if this is a good bike. I only called to ask about it, haven't yet seen it. Owner says there's nothing identifying tubing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Gardin posted by christopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/9/2002 at 12:12:05 AM
Gardin, I have Gardin catlogs showing the bikes. E- mail for Gardin infosheets with pics.

AGE / VALUE:   B.S.A. Golden Fifty posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 10/8/2002 at 5:31:20 PM
B.S.A. Golden Fifty lightweight cycle
Photo, specification sheet, review test
from 1962.
E-mail for free sheet.

AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by: Keith on 10/8/2002 at 3:02:51 PM
Last Friday I took a day off to prepare for a long weekend ride. While I was test riding my bike in my neighborhood, I caught a glimpse of the telltale triangle of tubes sticking out of a neighbor's trash (it was trashy day) from the corner of my eye. I stopped and found a Schwinn Super Sport frame -- mid-80s lugged version -- not the filet brazed one from the 70s. Anyway, the frame appears to be in great shape -- no dents or cracks, looks straight from eyeballing it, no rust. A few scratches, but not many. It was made with butted Columbus Tenax tubing, at least the main frame. I put it on my shoulder and rode home. When I got there, I thought I should go back to check for parts. By the time I went back -- about 3 minutes -- the trash had been picked up. Now, this frame was totally deviod of parts -- someone even removed the fixed bb cup and headset races, leading me to suspect that whoever was going to throw it away had some idea that it was a decent bike -- not top-end but vertainly usable -- swap meet foder at least. I'm glad a rescued it, but I hate to think how many perfectly usable bikes, frames, and components go to the landfill in this thowaway society every day.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by Wings on 10/10/2002 at 4:59:00 AM
Keith, I hear you on the tacoed wheels in the bike racks -- mass destruction, I also see it! Sometimes I see just a frame locked up -- everything else is gone. Kind of makes one wonder about the lack of respect for property and for things in general.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by Oscar on 10/10/2002 at 11:13:26 PM
I raced with a guy two or three times who rode an 80's SuperSport like yours, Keith. He used to race on 27 x 1 1/4 and had a bookrack on the back ikidyounot. He never won or even came close, but there was nothing wrong with his cardiovascular system.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by Kevin K on 10/8/2002 at 5:50:11 PM
Hi Keith. Yea, it's sad too. It doesn't stop with bikes either. I live in a town here where people THINK they have lots of money. Some really do. I've also had the " chance " to work the back of a garbage truck for several years here( about 10 years ago). You would not believe what is tossed. I'm by no means a pack rat if you will but some of these items I simply refuse to leave by the curb, so I would bring them home. I've got several beautiful wool rugs in my home. A really cool leather chair. An eight piece solid redwood outside setting from the 60's that was near perfect when I found it. I also found and brought home an original Marx train set from the 50's. Complete in the box. It was so clean I didn't even have to wipe it off. I put it together and it ran as if it were new. I think more people should really take a serious look at what they are doing. We are throwing away our past for " Made in China " Bummer ! Nice find on the Super Sport frame. I've been looking for one for years. Maybe soon. Kevin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by Joe on 10/8/2002 at 6:33:56 PM
I occasionally cruise the streets on garbage night. This year alone I found a 60's Schwinn Collegate 5 speed, Hercules 3 speed '64 model and a Hercules 3 speed '71 model in really good condition. I cannot believe the waste in this country.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by Tom Findley on 10/8/2002 at 7:24:48 PM
Your next task is to find a girl's Continental or something higher level than a Varsity, and move the parts to the SS frame.

Lugged frame plus lightweight aluminum parts equal HOT STUFF!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by michael k on 10/8/2002 at 10:52:52 PM
I was walking home from work, about 7pm, sun going down...stuck into a Dumpster was a grimy, filthy bike...but something inside me sensed the waste this was going to be if it got crushed...and that made me pull that bike out...the back tube was actually out of the tire and wrapped around the rear hub, so, even though it had everything else on it, it wasn't immediately ridable...but, I figured "what the hey, I'll replace the rear tube and have a beater bike"...I wheeled it home on the front wheel, and quickly found that I had something significantly other than a "junker" on my hands...I got online, did some searching...and found out that I had a 1966 Raleigh Sports English 3-Speed...Brooks 66 saddle, original Dunlop tyres...once I washed the filth off, took off the rust, replaced the tyre tube, it was GORGEOUS...plus, it rides like a dream...it's a very well designed machine...it stops people on the street, and when I wheel it into a bike shop, people are impressed...those in the know, know what they're looking at...it's now a collectable...that was my first Raleigh...even though I'm not a student, I live right in the campus-town of Loyola University...you wouldn't believe the waste that gets thrown out by unappreciative, wasteful, lazy people...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by michael k on 10/8/2002 at 10:59:13 PM
By the way, I have a girl's Continental bike...no seat, tho, tires are shot...has everything else, rims are good, handle bars are fine, brakes, shifter are there...it's silver, a little beat, but if you want a Continental, I have one...no idea how to get it to you, tho...

Incidentally, found this one in the trash, too...rescued it...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Sometimes it's already cleaned out and it's really spooky posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/9/2002 at 12:21:27 AM
Lucky you! The college campus's thatI have gone through looking for these old bikes are completely cleaned out of anything like this. No three speeds anyplace. It's like a giant U.F.O. with a magnet underneath flew overhead and they pulled a switch and all the vintage 3 speeds flew up and the U.F.O. warped out into the horizon. Leaving only Huffy's and new,modern bikes that I would not take from anybody as a gift.
The U.F.O.'S are probably in league with collector folks I know. It was strange. Whole blooming town and not one old bike. Every trace of anything like this was taken away.
Enjoy yourself becasue I cannot do this and I wish I could.
As you climb out of the dumpster say "Ha, Ha Chris!" and give me the raspberry. Just don't get crushed by the garbage truck.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Sometimes it's already cleaned out and it's really spooky posted by Wings on 10/9/2002 at 6:29:49 AM
1. University Campuses: Great places to find old bikes! One campus was a great place to find Schwinn's, as the kids just set them out on the curb at the end of the year. This campus had all the old fat tire cruisers disapear in one year. Some people saw a big truck come through with guys picking up the bikes.

2. College kids are terrible on bikes, sofas and everything. They smash bikes on Friday night -- for fun. This school is near the ocean and they run them off cliffs into the ocean.

3. I found an old copper Continental in excellent shape. I cleaned and waxed it. Put on two new tires and tubes -- the old tubes were still good and were original Schwinns! It has the cleanest parts I have ever seen! I have been riding it and it is a great ride and extremely quiet! So ride that old girl's Continental first and see what kind of a ride it is!!!

I never thought I would enjoy a Continental! It is cool!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by Keith on 10/9/2002 at 2:23:08 PM
The frame I found is not the 70s Super Sport that would take the Astebula cranks, etc. from a Continental or Varsity. Rather, it's a lugged lightweight model from the 80s. I've seen a comlpete version of this bike with the same color scheme and it was equiped with Shimano 600 6-speed indexed shifting. Thanks for the offer of parts, but I'll likely set this up with some 80s stuff I have on hand. I ride past a bike rack at OSU in Col., OH every work day and every so often every bike locked up there gets the drunk frat-boy treatment -- tacoed wheels, bent frames, etc.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by mike on 10/13/2002 at 1:55:54 AM
I was searching through the sewer and found a quarter so I know what you mean.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Waste Not posted by alex on 10/28/2002 at 2:35:33 PM
I have two questions. First, are you serious? Second, if you are, what the heck are you searching through the sewer for? :p

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   panasonic 15 speed bicycle posted by: Jonathan Park on 10/7/2002 at 2:00:15 PM
I have a Panasonic Grand Touring 15 speed bicycle. It has Chanpion no.2 butted tubes, brakes are Diacomp 502, pedals Sugino gt, rims are Araya Shimano via hj and ,10, Shimano derailleur. I would like info on when made and cost new. p.s. serial no is 4fo5964

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   panasonic 15 speed bicycle posted by: Jonathan Park on 10/7/2002 at 2:00:15 PM
I have a Panasonic Grand Touring 15 speed bicycle. It has Chanpion no.2 butted tubes, brakes are Diacomp 502, pedals Sugino gt, rims are Araya Shimano via hj and ,10, Shimano derailleur. I would like info on when made and cost new. p.s. serial no is 4fo5964