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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn handlebar tape colors posted by: Lenny on 10/14/2002 at 10:03:19 PM
I'm restoring a '74 Schwinn Sports Tourer; paint color is lemon yellow (I believe it was called "Kool Lemon"). I'd like know what color the original handlebar tape might have been. My guess is yellow, if I assume that the yellow plastic sleeves slipped onto the Weinmann brake levers are original. The handlebars now are encased in black foam, which seems to be of more recent vintage. Can anyone confirm my guess?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn handlebar tape colors posted by Oscar on 10/14/2002 at 10:30:26 PM
I can confirm your guess with a guess. I've had a few 74 Schwinn lightweights, and they always had plastic tape to match the paint. Hunt-Wilde made them. You can still find rolls on ebay or at the Schwinn forum.

   Source for handlebar tape posted by TomFindley on 10/15/2002 at 1:07:41 PM

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn handlebar tape colors posted by Mo on 10/15/2002 at 3:35:40 PM
Yes, I believe Hunt-Wilde was the main supplier during that early '70's period - thankfully, the foam was a short lived early '80's phenomenon.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn handlebar tape colors posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/15/2002 at 3:44:21 PM
Hunt Wilde ended up making padding for when huge delivery trucks back up into loading docks. The rubber/vinal material was cut into large rectangular strips so that the truck did not hit the dock itself. Not sure if the same material that they used for the bicycle grips was used in the truck purpose. I believe that they are out of business, but this I really do not know. I am interested in knowing the story with Hunt Wilde, what happened to them.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn handlebar tape colors posted by Pete on 10/16/2002 at 1:33:44 AM
I had a 73(or 74)Continental I bought new and it did indeed have yellow bar tape.
At a 26" frame size it had a lot of yellow paint on it!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Schwinn handlebar tape colors posted by Jim on 10/16/2002 at 5:32:16 PM
Lenny, I have two rolls (enough to cover one drop bar)of Hunt-Wilde bar tape in "kool lemon". I also have two rolls of copper, and two rolls of "kool orange" these are currently listed on ebay. Please send an email if you're interested. Jim

AGE / VALUE:   Unknown Peugeot posted by: Bryant on 10/14/2002 at 2:36:19 PM
Just picked up a Peugeot at the thrift shop, and I would like to know the model and year made. It is a burgundy frame with Peugeot followed by a fading white checkerboard pattern on the downtube. It says made in France on the top tube, right side by the seat tube. it has Sachs/Huret front and rear derailleurs, with downtube shifters on bosses. Weinman non aero brake levers (no suicide levers)and q/r calipers. It has a fully chromed fork with a decal saying carbolite 103. There is no head badge, just the Peugeot rampant lion decal. It says 12 speed on the right chain stay, but the rear wheel (or at least the freewheel ) is not original since it is a 5 speed. Cranks have no name but are alloy cotterless. No name on the stem but it is unusually long (130mm). The alloy handle bars are made by CTA. Don't know what the main tubes are made of. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Unknown Peugeot posted by Willie L. on 10/15/2002 at 9:14:12 PM
Your bike sounds like a typical lower-end Peugeot of the early or mid-1980's. Carbolite 103 is a plain carbon steel, probably like Raleigh 2030 of the period.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   .833 stem on a Centurion posted by: Dennis on 10/14/2002 at 6:08:08 AM
I just discovered that my '70s Centurion Super Lemans has a .833 stem. What a shock, I have had this bike about 3 years and it is one of my favorites. And all this time it has had a stem size of some old crappy Murray or JCPenny bicycle. How did that happen? Am i the last to find out? It is a fine bicycle, with chrome fork ends and stays, and a Stronglight crank with triple TA chainrings. Randonneur handlebar and bar-end shifters. Regular steel but i think that cro-mo is overated. And a beautiful short reach SR forged stem that is still smooth as a babys butt after all these years. I have never heard of a (sneer) .833 stem on anything except some schwinns and department store bikes. Was this very common? What happens if i need a new stem? Do they still make good ones in that size?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   .833 stem on a Centurion posted by Warren on 10/14/2002 at 4:10:37 PM
Although the .883 stem was associated with cheap bikes, there were some better bikes made with that size. Especially japanese bikes like your Centurion. I have a GB short stem that's NOS if you need a replacement. I think it's around 10 cm. Good ones are getting hard to find.

AGE / VALUE:   Bargain posted by: Grant on 10/14/2002 at 4:57:55 AM
This chap got a bargain
Google ananova charity sells bike

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bargain posted by Oscar on 10/15/2002 at 5:00:23 AM

Uggh! Lock it up first!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE horror story posted by chris on 10/15/2002 at 4:20:26 PM
OOH, horrible story! (Shudder) 100,000 times worse than looking at house painted bikes.
They should get the news media to run a spot on the news with a reward.

    horror story posted by John E on 10/16/2002 at 12:32:38 AM
Occasionally when I visit a yard sale, a customer will confuse one of my parked bicycles with sale merchandise.

   RE: horror story posted by Chris on 10/17/2002 at 8:21:38 PM
Better put a large "Not for sale" sign on it. Really
you can get somebody watching a booth for somebody else and it can happen especially if you are distracted or are downstairs.
If you are riding something tasty and vintage and step away for a minute leaving the bike to fend for itself, before you know it, a swarm of folks are gonna be asking "How much for the old bike?"
I steped into the circle and said "It's already been sold, I bought it." The fellow who just sold it to me said "Better put that in your car now, so I don't have to hear about it while you finish up your shopping."

   RE:RE: horror story posted by Grant on 10/18/2002 at 8:30:09 PM
This woman is a genius.The strategy of disguising the bicycle with black tape, masterful.The practice of propping it up without locking it and leaving it is something we should all consider adopting.Unfortunately for her, she left her nasty looking bike mixed with similar looking things at a junk sale and it was sold out from under her, how sad.But the good, the inspirational part of the story is her reaction to the news. Falling down and wailing, blaming the innocent man who bought it, the organization holding the sale, karma, anything and everything but the person at fault,herself.Why her,God, she's done nothing bad? She has had an easy, trauma free life up to now and her faith in the order of the universe is shattered.Bad things happen to good people.I trust this experience has taught this young woman a lesson.When you set yourself up for misfortune, don't be surprised when it comes knocking.And if the charity gives her anything they're nuts.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Chrome World Voyageur? posted by: bacoes on 10/14/2002 at 12:07:42 AM
I was stripping off the parts off of this old orange world voyageur that I've had for a while, I noticed that it looks like the frame has been chromed under the orange paint. It has plain chrome lugs and chrome stays, but everywhere I've looked at the scratches it's been chrome underneath. Any idea how I could strip the paint without hurting the chrome or if it's too thin of plating to bother with?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Chrome World Voyageur? posted by Eric Amlie on 10/14/2002 at 1:48:14 AM
I suspect that in order to chrome plate the head tube lugs the entire frame or at least the top section of the frame had to be immersed in the chroming tank. The problem is that probably only the lugs were polished before chroming, so although other parts of the frame may be chromed, they may not look all that good without their paint. I would think that any chemical paint stripper would not bother the chrome. Acid will attack the chrome though.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Chrome World Voyageur? posted by robert on 10/14/2002 at 1:54:04 AM
yes yo uare right, i have used paint stripper for furniture. it actually bubbles up all the paint and you just wach it off , but you may need a fine wire brush for the welds. i also did it on a painted over chrome bike.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Chrome World Voyageur? posted by Wings on 10/14/2002 at 6:29:47 AM
Paint remover should work very well over chrome. I have one bike that has the paint just slowly dropping off the painted chrome. Another year and the paint should be gone.

My concern would be as to what was done to the chrome prior to the paint job as paint does not like shiny chrome. I have seen people dull the chome in different ways which, if that was done, could display chrome that was sanded or dulled and therefore not in good shape. Be careful of wire brushes, because they will scratch. Use brass pads or true brass brushes.

After the paint removal, you could also attempt to buff it up with buffing compound (comes in colored sticks which indicate degree of hardness).

A frame can also be dipped at a furniture stripping place for about $30. They come out nice and clean.

AGE / VALUE:   lots of bikes and parts for sale / trade posted by: robert on 10/13/2002 at 7:00:01 PM
hi, i am gonna liquidate alot of stuff from my shop. i will have many items new and vintage or old school too. huffy 3spd, huffy corvair, fuji 12spd,campania medalist,norco 12 spd,schwinn 12 spd,giant aluminum mtb,redline rl20 freestyle f/f, too much to list, i might be getting rid of some shop quality tools as well, if you are interested just email me for any certain interests, and i will get pics for you. i am looking for redline hotwheels, maybe we can trade? bikezshop@hotmail.com

AGE / VALUE:   Information that may be of interest posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/13/2002 at 5:41:55 PM
E-mail me a postal address for a free copy if interested:
Road test and spec sheet for:
Cinelli Superer Corsa (1961 model)

BSA Golden Century (1961 model)

Macleans featherweight Cycles LTD.
Carrying the 'Ultra' model name (1960)

Elswick- Hopper Invincible De Luxe (1962)

Harry Quinn Road Champion (1959)

Technical Topic by the late H. H. England
Forward Drop- outs (1960)

C.W.S. Cycle Works co-operative produced
Gipsy Moth

another BSA Golden Century
ad with specs, unsure if same model exactly as other BSA sheet.
End for now,
While this is interesting and fun I do not have the years covering most of MY bikes and boy, do I wish that the fellow whom I got these from had older issues and a more complete collection.
He brought these to the bike swap meet and I have them now.
This itself was a minor miracle because he could have said "Oh, the heck, and tossed these out into the trash. He didn't, he cared about this and brought these and sold them and now I have them to share with all you good people here. It lives on, and that's neat!
Wishing you every sucess in finding the real thing someplace, somewhere.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Information that may be of interest posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 10/13/2002 at 6:13:51 PM
Wearwell Cycle Co. LTD, Wolverhampton

The Shadow
Model No. CY 16

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Record Ace 1958 posted by: Nicky on 10/13/2002 at 5:32:28 PM
I have a Record Ace "RRA Moderne" probably 1957 or '58. Does anyone have any idea what the name Moderne signifies (it's on the seatpost)? My father bought two, one for himself and one for my mother, in 1958 when she was pregnant with me. Her doc said "No bike riding" so she hardly ever rode it (wasn't into it anyway, it was my dad's thing). It has all stock parts and most of the original paint job with decals. Would love ANY information you've got out there! Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Nuova Record posted by: Mark Cady on 10/13/2002 at 5:14:28 PM
I picked up a Bianchi Nuova Record with "Anthrocite" paint. Top tube is 54.5 cm. All original except handlebar tape and tires. Campy nuovo record derailleurs, Ofmega BB, headseat and hubs. The crank looks like Campy but is engraved with Bianchi (maybe it is also Ofmega?). Any idea of the value? On a scale of 1 to 10 it is about an 8.5 (scratches on frame and fork).


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bianchi Nuova Record posted by Mark Cady on 10/13/2002 at 5:28:53 PM
I should add that the patent date on the Campy R/derailleur is 1981 and it was made in Italy with Columbus tubing.

   Bianchi Nuova Record posted by John E on 10/14/2002 at 1:43:16 AM
It sounds alot like my metallic brown 1982 Campione d' Italia. Does it have a "Tre tubi" sticker? Similar bikes have been fetching between $200 and $300 on eBay, with a premium for the Celeste colour.

The C' d'Italia and similar Bianchis, which sold for around $700 in the early 1980s, were respectable, cost-effective alternatives to the full-Campy, full-Columbus top-end bikes.

   RE:Bianchi Nuova Record posted by Mark Cady on 10/14/2002 at 4:22:35 AM
As a matter of fact, it does have the "Tretubi" sticker. The Trebtubi is embossed over Columbus. What is Tretubi? I've heard that there are different grades of Columbus tubing. I originally bought it as a parts bike to get an old Bottechia on the road. I picked it up for $100 from the "trade in rack" from a bike shop in Dallas. The ride is pretty smooth. Smooth enough that I've ridden about 600 miles on it. I'm over the weight limit for it, though, at 210 pounds. If the tubing is inferior, perhaps I should strip the Bianchi frame and continue with the Bottechia project. If "Tretubi" involves some sort of seamed tubing, I'm out. Sheldon Brown from Harris Cyclery (Boston, MA) states: "...they have seamed tubing which implies a less then noble purpose."

   RE:RE:Bianchi Nuova Record posted by Mark Cady on 10/14/2002 at 4:52:20 AM
First, I want to thank you for your help. I greatly appreciate your input.
Also, please disregard my last entry. I did a more thorough search on oldroads and found an old post of yours:
"..., the TreTubi tubeset comprises a Columbus SL (seamless CrMo) main triangle ("3-tubes" = "tre-tubi") and seamed CrMo forks and stays. This makes it similar to my 1980 Peugeot "almost a PX-10" PKN-10E, which has seamed forks and stays with a Reynolds 531 main triangle ("3 tubes renforces," i.e., butted). The big difference is that one can clearly see the seams on the backs of the Peugeot forks, whereas they have been sanded and finished to the point of invisibility on the Bianchi."
So, should I just replace the fork with a carbon fork and keep riding it? Are the "stays" referring to the rear triangle that holds the rear wheel? If so, should I be concerned about it giving out?
Thanks again,

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   CILO Bike... posted by: Fred A on 10/13/2002 at 5:03:01 PM
Hi all...

I picked up a bike at a garage sale yesterday that I had never heard of before. It's a CILO (no, not CELO) 12 speed with full Shimano 105 EVERYTHING. (Biospace crank, Araya 700c QR wheels have black rims.) The bike is about as close to out of the box as you can get with a frame size of almost 24". Color goes from a light cream to a royal blue back to a cream. Frame is Tange 1.

Funny part is, the guy wanted $75 and I couldn't get him to go lower. He included a hemet, frame pump, Cannondale water bottle cage and saddlebag, so I figured OK. When I got home with the bike to begin a polishing routine, first thing I did was remove the saddle bag and felt something in it. Turned out to contain leather/mesh gloves, tire repair kit........and $11. So, I got my discount anyway!

That said.......anybody know who built this bike? All the decals say CILO or TANGE. No country of originAny idea as to how great a deal I got?

Fred A

      CILO Bike... posted by John E on 10/14/2002 at 1:47:37 AM
It sounds like a pretty good Japanese-made machine to me. The Tange I tubing and components are decent. Perhaps someone was ripping off the Celo Europa brand name ...

   RE:   CILO Bike... posted by Steven on 10/14/2002 at 1:08:55 PM
Cilo is a respected Swiss brand that has built bikes for a long time. They were raced in the pro peloton too.

   RE:RE:   CILO Bike... posted by Fred A on 10/14/2002 at 5:08:49 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. I would have thought a Japanese made frame also, but it's interesting to find out that it's Swiss made. I'll have to do some digging as to year & history, but I know that 1987 was the first year for Shimano 105 components.

Thanks again!
Fred A

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   CILO Bike... posted by Keith on 10/15/2002 at 2:32:42 PM
My first all-Campy bike was a Cilo Pro in 1972 -- it replaced my Gitane Interclub. It had a 22" frame, which I outgrew in about a year. I moved most of the parts to the 60cm Mercian Pro frame which I still have and ride. Yes, Cilo was Swiss. The entire frame was chromed, and I removed the paint with Stripese -- as someone else discusses above. It had full Reynolds db tubing.

WANTED:   Shimano 600 Pedals w/ Clips posted by: kevin on 10/13/2002 at 4:56:23 PM

I am looking for a pair of Shimano 600 (EX is fine too) pedals with the clips. Anyone got a pair to sell me?


   RE:WANTED:   Shimano 600 Pedals w/ Clips posted by Ken on 10/14/2002 at 7:32:56 PM
I have a pair minus one axle cover, but no cleats - is that what you want, the cleat and strap kind? Trade for a couple of 110 or 130 chainwheels, or something of interest.

MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by: Bryant on 10/13/2002 at 3:02:32 PM
Found a leather saddle at the flea market today. When I first saw it, I thought it was a Brooks. But upon examination, the brand name is Belt, made by the Fujita Saddle Mfg Co in Tokyo (says so on either side). It is excellent shape, no rust, and it is adjustable. Has anyone heard of this saddle before?? And what would be the best way to take care of it?? Neatsfoot oil? mink Oil?? Thanks in advance for the help

   RE:MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by Gralyn on 10/13/2002 at 5:14:33 PM
I have one - it came on my Fuji Special Road Racer - Unfortunately, it was in really crappy shape - really cracked, and also had not maintained a good shape and countours, etc. I still have it - it's not on the bike, though. I think saddle soap, and other products like that for leather are what you should use. Check the archives - I know there have been many posts about re-furbishing old leather saddles.

   RE:MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by Oscar on 10/13/2002 at 9:19:13 PM
I have a Belt saddle, too. The leather is as good as Brooks leather. Brook's Proofide is the way to go with juvenate a leather saddle. Proofide is a leather treatment made by and recommended by Brooks for their saddles. Smells nice, too.

   RE:MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by Ken on 10/14/2002 at 7:37:17 PM
I've got a brand X leather saddle that appears to be a fair Brooks copy, except there's a row of small holes along the bottom edge of the leather on both sides. Anyone know what this is?

   RE:RE:MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by David on 10/15/2002 at 3:53:27 AM
The Brooks B5 (or is it B15?) has those holes, too. I always thought they were for putting a lace through and drawing the sides of the saddle together. Sometimes the stiff edge of the saddle is irritating on your legs - lacing it might help.

   RE:MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by Richard on 10/15/2002 at 5:17:02 PM
LEXOL brand leather conditioner and cleaner is the best thing to use on a leather saddle. Can be found at most auto parts stores.

   RE:MISC:   Belt leather saddle posted by Chris on 10/24/2002 at 5:32:09 AM
Have one in good condition on my Fuji Special Road Racer. Comfortable saddle. Cleaned & conditioned with Lexol.

AGE / VALUE:   Free to good home posted by: Mike Slater on 10/12/2002 at 11:53:52 PM
Peugeot PKN10E frame and fork
531 main tubes
Paint and decals very good
52 c-c
Whoever wants it covers shipping costs only - depending on where its shipped around $20-$30.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Free to good home posted by Howard on 10/13/2002 at 3:04:15 AM
Mike,I would love to have it ,Howard

WANTED:   Where can I find a comprehensive listing of all shimano models? posted by: Trevor on 10/11/2002 at 5:08:53 PM
Id like to find some sort of list of every shimano derrailur made. Like some sort of chart that has model # and then the year made and maybe a description or picture. Anyone know of anything like this?

   RE:WANTED:   Where can I find a comprehensive listing of all shimano models? posted by Keith on 10/11/2002 at 5:33:16 PM
If you're talking about current models, then get ahold of the QBB catelog - any bike shop will sell you one of order one. For a comprehensive list of 1999, I beleive, and earlier, find The Dancing Chain -- it has lists in the back of the book of models for each year for Shimano, Campagnolo, Suntour, Simplex, Huret and more. I'm not sure who's selling it right now -- I got mine at Rivendell, and BicycleClassics.com had them.

   RE:WANTED:   Where can I find a comprehensive listing of all shimano models? posted by Rob on 10/11/2002 at 10:33:43 PM
If you don't mind paying $140 plus shipping...Sutherland's Handbook(current up to 1996, I believe) is excellent...you can order it at: www.biketoolsetc.com

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Where can I find a comprehensive listing of all shimano models? posted by Skip Echert on 10/12/2002 at 6:49:43 AM
Hello Trevor -
Have a look at this site: It gives the years in which the various Shimano models were sold, from about 83 to present. These pages are through the efforts of the Specialized Technology Committee of the Allgemeiner Deutscher Fahrrad Club. It is in German, but years and model designations are effectively in English. If you like, use the web site translation function on the AltaVista.com web site. To interpret the date codes on Shimano components have a look at

MISC:   Buying Tires posted by: Gralyn on 10/11/2002 at 4:13:58 PM
I stopped by a bike shop yesterday - thought I would check out some tires. I could use some new one's on my Fuji fixed gear - and was also thinking about a new set for my Bianchi. Well, what a shocker! I think the avarage price for tires was around $50. Mostly $50 to $65....a couple for $45......I'm thinking....forget this!
.....moving on then....maybe a new saddle....
let's see.....hmmm....a Selle Italia gel....hmmm....$100!...moving on....ah....here's a bucket full of saddles....why are they in a bucket? Maybe there's used? I don't know....but....average price looks to be around $50....one or two for about $35. Some real crappy, heavy ones in the $20's. Gosh....I'm going to have to shop around....or come up with some other source for these essential items.

   RE:MISC:   Buying Tires posted by Warren on 10/12/2002 at 12:07:42 AM
I think that is ridiculous...not you, the shop. I can buy any number of decent quality tires, Michelin Axials, Vredesteins, Continentals, Hutchinsons, Specialized ranging from as low as $14 cdn ($8 US) for the Continental SuperSports. Ok, they're not great but for a fixed commuter, you can throw in Tuffy Liners and off you go. Most of the better tires are in the $30 to $40 range. I saw Conti "Gatorskins" for $38 cdn the other day. They should last for thousands of miles. I've had great luck with attending the annual Bike Show here in Toronto every late winter. It's often an excuse for shops to clear out old stock...tires are always cheap and you can buy tires for the whole fleet for a fraction of the retail price.

Go to http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_listing.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=491367&bmUID=1034380332239 for an example of prices.

   RE:MISC:   Buying Tires posted by Keith on 10/16/2002 at 2:09:51 PM
The Panracer Paselas are high-quality, high thread count, and reasonably light. Nashbar has them on sale for $11.95 (reg. $14.95).