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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

MISC:   Vintage ti spindle posted by: Keith on 10/28/2002 at 3:43:58 PM
I recently removed an early 70s vintage Teledyne titanium bottom bracket axle from a fixed gear bike, thinking perhaps it was unsafe to use. I've never heard of this axle breaking, but I think I've read that Campy Super Record bb axles and pedal axles broke. I know that Teledyne Titan frames broke, but it was a design rather than a material or manufacturing defect (necked downtube was stress riser). It is undoubtedly commercially pure ti -- not a modern Al/V alloy. No signs of cracks under 10x magnification, but there's a very slight galling on the faces of the tapers. I'm thinking of reinstalling it on my Mercian, which currently has a steel Campy NR bb axle (I'm seeing how light I can get with it). Any thoughts? Otherwise it's a paperweight (and a light one at that).

   RE:MISC:   Vintage ti spindle posted by Steven on 10/28/2002 at 8:32:11 PM
Keith, Breakage has as much to do with the rider as to do with any material used. If you ride smoothly and don't do extreme things, you can make almost anything work and last. If you are somewhat more heavy-handed, it is possible to break almost anything. Even at 225 lbs myself, I would not give use of your titanium part on any of my bikes a second thought. I wouldn't go bunny-hopping along the road, but normal riding by a normal rider shouldn't create any undue cause for worry. If you decide on the other hand that it is not sufficiently safe for your own personal use, I would be more than happy to put it to use on one of my bikes.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Vintage ti spindle posted by Skip Echert on 11/1/2002 at 5:02:33 AM
Hello Keith -
I have been told by several old timers the Teledyne BB axles are now relatively rare, because most of them broke long ago. Two years ago I removed the one on my 25 year old bike, replaced it with a standard campy one, and feel safer. A failure will be when you are pushing hard, probably dropping you on the top tube in a way you don't want to think about. Your calf probably will catch the jagged axle stub. THEN you probably will hit the pavement. Darn pretty axle though, a real work of art.

In contrast, I did speak to an ex pro rider, 180+lbs who said he used one for years and never had a problem with it and never hear of anyone who did.

   RE:MISC:   Vintage ti spindle posted by Ken on 11/1/2002 at 7:44:44 PM
The Bicycle-Science guys went around and around about breakage. My impression, agreeing with those stated above, is that some guys break 'em and some don't. There are pictures of broken spindles on http://pardo.net/bike/crank-fail/ and plenty of discussion elsewhere on pardo.net/bike about cranks etc. breaking. (There is enough reading there to keep somebody out of mischief quite a while...) Way more cranks than spindles give out. Unless you've broken spindles before, I bet you're safe with the ti.

AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by: brandt on 10/28/2002 at 3:42:15 PM
Seems like I've been finding French bikes lately - Motobecane, Gitane, Jeunet, etc. but I have questions about one. It is a Gitane, early 70's, but the components don't really add up. The frame seems like plain quality steel, but has an emblem at the top of the seat tube in the shape of a hand that says "custom built". On the seat tube, there is a large decal saying Gitane, and then four rings above it and four rings below it with names of races on them like Tour de France and Paris-Nice. There is no model name of the bike. Rims are 27" steel (Rigida) but the deraillers and shifters are Campy (Valentino Extra). Brakes are Weinmann center pull and cranks are steel cotter pin type (Solida). Also, someone tried to make some kind of commuter bike out of it, replacing the handle bars with flat bars and a mattress style seat. Any idea what this bike started life as?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by Keith on 10/28/2002 at 4:32:47 PM
The decal you refer to appeared on all Gitane models, regardless of whether they were made with 531 or plain carbon. Yes, they were all made by hand, though the low-end models with very quick hands, but no, they are anything but custom as in a made-to-order Richard Sachs or Rivendell. The closest model I can think of would be the Gran Sport, which was basically the equivalent to a Raleigh Record or Peugeot UO-8. It would have sold for $99 in 1972. But, the model was spec'd with Simplex and Mafac, not Campy Valentino and Weinmann. I can only assume that the bike was either set up with the cheap Campy during the height of the bike boom if on-hand stock of Simplex was short, or, more likely, the owner switched parts. I similarly hung a Valentino on my Gitane Interclub (next model up) in about 1972, just to have something Campy. The only Gitane spec'd with Campy in the early 70s was the top-of-the-line Super Course. Your commuter project sounds excellent.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by Gralyn on 10/28/2002 at 8:47:29 PM
I'm glad you're finding some bikes here lately. I think the bikes have dried up around here. I haven't seen any. It's like for a little while - They were popping up a lot - but over the past several weeks....nothing. I have been hoping to find an old french bike - but I have not seen any at all. The last one I got was a Motobecane Mirage - it's too tall for me (it's like a 25") so I will be willing to part with it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by Rob on 10/29/2002 at 2:25:23 AM
I have a couple of old Gitanes....Tour de France(one of their better models...531 tubing, derailleurs are Shimano Titlist...original...I don't know...I think they came with Simplex Criterium, but maybe it depends on the exact year.

The other bike is called 'Apache Standard'...it has Valentino derailleurs. It's a low end model and weighs a ton... I've seen other Apache Standards with other derailleur setups... Look on the top tube and on the forks, if you see the words "Tour de France" there...you have a minor prize. The forks also have a little map of France on one side. ...I think that was only on the better models... Sounds like you may have a lower end model...maybe Interclub or Apache Standard.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by Rob on 10/29/2002 at 4:30:33 AM
Slight correction...the words 'Professional Tour de France' written on the DOWN tube... Also there is a Reynolds 531 sticker on the left fork...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by Patrick lavery on 11/2/2002 at 2:21:07 PM
I have a Gitane Gypsy Sport that I've been unable to date but its probably from the late 70;s. The tubing sticker on it reads "Tubes Legeres" . I know the French translation is
"Light Tubing" but sine you all seem pretty knowlegeable about French bikes, what king of tubing is it? Or is it just a fancy name for plain steel ?
This bike has all Japanese components : Suntour derailleurs and 5 speed freewheel, Sugino Maxy crankset, and Diacompe center pull brakes.

AGE / VALUE:   french bikes posted by: brandt on 10/28/2002 at 3:42:15 PM
Seems like I've been finding French bikes lately - Motobecane, Gitane, Jeunet, etc. but I have questions about one. It is a Gitane, early 70's, but the components don't really add up. The frame seems like plain quality steel, but has an emblem at the top of the seat tube in the shape of a hand that says "custom built". On the seat tube, there is a large decal saying Gitane, and then four rings above it and four rings below it with names of races on them like Tour de France and Paris-Nice. There is no model name of the bike. Rims are 27" steel (Rigida) but the deraillers and shifters are Campy (Valentino Extra). Brakes are Weinmann center pull and cranks are steel cotter pin type (Solida). Also, someone tried to make some kind of commuter bike out of it, replacing the handle bars with flat bars and a mattress style seat. Any idea what this bike started life as?

AGE / VALUE:   viscount info posted by: metlhed on 10/27/2002 at 8:46:00 PM
ok i posted a while back asking about the value on my viscount. i have more info about it now. it has a spring seat,straight handelbars, aluminum fork,27in tires, 10 speed, derailure says "shimano jitlist?" sprocket says "lambert" says "viscount made in england" on seat tube. any info/value is appriciated thaks.

o yeah also i have a mens peugeot 10 spd racing bike. mafac racer brakes suntour gt derailure and simplex shift levers. old leather seat says ADGP chatillinaise? 28A and info appriciated thanks.

   Peugeot posted by John E on 10/29/2002 at 2:27:41 AM
The Peugeot is probably a UO-8 with a retrofitted derailleur, particularly if the stays are painted, there is no integral derailleur hanger on the right dropout, and the forks are half-chrome. Pre-1973 UO-8s have downtube-mounted shift levers; later ones have stem-mounted.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   viscount info posted by Rob on 10/29/2002 at 11:51:28 PM
I don't know about value, but take at look at this site:


I think the derailleur must be Shimano Titlist...which was a pretty good one in its day...

AGE / VALUE:   Typoon Bike posted by: G Allen on 10/27/2002 at 3:48:16 AM
I have a Typoon Bike that I Picked up at a second hand store, its serial number is BJ583986 if any one can give me the year or any other information on this bike it would be much apreciated Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Typoon Bike posted by Oscar on 10/29/2002 at 8:07:22 PM
Your Typhoon was made in February 1973. The Typhoon was considered a middle-weight bike. Is this a child sized bike, or an adult?

AGE / VALUE:   Modifys posted by: sam on 10/27/2002 at 3:28:41 AM
Question for ya'll gear guys.If I want to put a 5speed derailer on a bike with rear facing dropouts how would be the best way to install the derailer?Would I need to brase a hanger on ?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Modifys posted by Stacey on 10/27/2002 at 12:03:45 PM
You should be able to get away with just using an adapter claw, Sam. Though you will need to consider the cable guide issue. I've found that those 'clamp-on' guides used on 3 speeds (reversing the small one that mounts on the chain stay so that the cable housing exits towards the derailer) will work very well in most cases. You'll also need either one of those plastic guide do-hickeys that mount on the underside of the bottom bracket - OR - use the fulcrum wheel from the previously mentioned 3 speed, to change the cable direction. If you come up short on parts, let me know... I should have what you need in my smalls box.

   derailleur claws on track bikes posted by John E on 10/27/2002 at 8:49:04 PM
When I gave my Swedish track bike to a friend, he converted it into a 4-speed by mounting a judiciously-ground SunTour derailleur claw backward. The trickiest part is that the normal derailleur stop points the wrong way; I believe he simply ground down the stop and used a few washers to make the mounting bolt able to hold the derailleur in place.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Modifys posted by Keith on 10/28/2002 at 2:22:23 PM
Single speed/fixed gear is so fun, and rear dropout frames, though not rare, aren't exactly growing on trees out there, so I think it would be a shame to hang a derailleur on one. I'd simply find a road frame, and road frames are plentiful on eBay. If it's a real track bike or vintage club bike,the dropout should 110mm, so how about using a Sturmey Archer internal hub, which would make it more like a Brit club bike? Or a fun flip-flop?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Modifys posted by sam on 10/28/2002 at 7:03:32 PM
I would agree with Keith if this were a track or club bike.It's not.I plan on hotroddin an old american 28" wheeled frame.It will still be too heavy for a real road bike but with gears I should get a few more miles on the hike&bike trail with it

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Modifys posted by Keith on 10/29/2002 at 2:47:40 PM
A few years back I took a freebie Asian roadster frame, also designed for 28" wheels, and put 27" wheels, fixed gear, hairpin spring saddle, and upright bars on it to make a Faux 1910s bike. The Asian frame is a knockoff of the old Raleigh DL-1 roadster, which in turn is an iteration of the late 1880s-early 1890s Rudge or Humber. Enormous wheelbase -- 46" and 67 degree seat tube. The profile of the bike reminded me of those you see in the books and museums. I imagined my mock up rode something like the bikes of that era. Anyway, a 3 or 4-speed Sturmey with a 46t or so on the front, and a 21, 22, or even a 24 cog on the back would make your bike more useful, although your derailleur project sounds great too. It would be fun to find something fairly old like a Benelux or Cyclo, and use a 110 hub with 3-4 speed freewheel, in keeping with the vintage of the bike. I had to use an old Weinman 810 brake for the front. I ended up giving the bike to a local bike messenger.

AGE / VALUE:   LOST INFORMATION posted by: Kevin K on 10/26/2002 at 4:45:41 PM
Hi. Bob Hufford. When and if you read this message would you email me please at kbcurvin@aol.com. Thanks, Kevin K

   LOST INFORMATION posted by John E on 10/27/2002 at 2:34:14 AM
I wonder whether you can reach him through his comprehensive Schwinn lightweight history website.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Lightweight Data Book site posted by Bob Hufford on 10/27/2002 at 4:10:57 AM
Hey Kevin -- I e-mailed you offline. John, thanks for the good word on the Schwinn site, but it is comprehensive in scope and not in completion I'm afraid. I'm in the process of moving it to a different server (and correcting the newby HTML mistake of putting my e-mail on every page -- and then changing e-mail providers). I hope to get back to the mountain of scanning (providing my job, wife and three teenagers allow it). Anyone that has any Schwinn literature to share, check out this page for what we have and what is still needed. Thanks.


     Schwinn Lightweight Data Book site posted by John E on 10/27/2002 at 8:54:53 PM
It's good to hear from you, Bob. Don't give up on your project! With two teenage sons, plenty of deferred home improvement projects, and a demanding career in an ultra wideband (UWB) communications startup company, I think I understand time constraints, but this afternoon I am going to shove everything else aside to put my newly-built Campag. wheelset on the Bianchi!

AGE / VALUE:   Stem size help posted by: Pete on 10/26/2002 at 9:51:46 AM
I posted this to the Musclebikes Discussion but didn't realize how low volume that is and would like an answer sooner than later! :)
"Are the quills on Raleigh Chopper stems 22.2mm diameter and Schwinn Sting-Ray stems .833" diameter?
If I have this much right, is there a Raleigh style stem that was made with a longer extension?
Looking for a relatively long quill stem with a 110-120mm extension in the style of Raleigh Choppers or three speed bikes."
This is to go on a home brewed "Club" bike.
Three speed S-A hub, lightweight road frame, drop bars, etc.
The frame is a 23/12" so I could use a taller stem.
Trying to avoid the Nitto Technomic and MTB style stems on aesthetic grounds.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stem size help posted by Oscar on 10/26/2002 at 8:33:40 PM
I always thought of Sting-Ray stems as 21.1mm, but that's .833. A Technonomic stem or MTB stem are among the longest 22.2's available, and don't look too bad. Some 1980-ish Schwinn Asian-built bikes that had upright bars had nice longer stem with short extensions. How long a quill do you need?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stem size help posted by Pete on 10/27/2002 at 1:33:10 PM
Thanks Oscar.
By modern sizing standards this frame is already the right size. I only needed an inch or two taller quill to get the bars up a bit.
I think that for what I'm looking for the stems are going to have short-ish extensions. It has occurred to me that I'm looking for something that never was. I may switch tactics and keep an eye open for a fork off a larger frame and try to gain the height that way; or swap everything over to different frame. Sorry can't buy into the Nitto!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stem size help posted by sam on 10/27/2002 at 6:45:21 PM
Look for a raleigh made exercise bike.I only saw one,but it had the longest stem I ever saw.You would most likely have to cut it down,must have been at least12" long.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh "Anniversary" headbadge posted by: dave on 10/25/2002 at 9:13:22 PM
I picked up a cheap Raleigh Record 10 speed because it has what I understand to be the "Anniversary" headbadge ... oval,
different colors, etc. Is my understanding correct, and if so, what anniversary was it, did all the Raleigh line have it
that year, and what year was it? thanks ...oh, and how common are they?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh posted by Richard J on 10/28/2002 at 5:57:12 AM
Hi, Dave. My Raleigh Record has the oval headbadge. The frame is blue with a white head tube and a white panel on the middle of the seat tube. Alvit der's, Atom lf hubs with wingnuts, Wrights leather saddle. Found it on kerbside trash-day a few years back. I'd guess it's perhaps 1969 or 70 vintage. My 60s Raleigh Sports and my 73 Super Course both have the common "freestanding Heron" headbadge. I'm curious about the oval badge. One year only? What year?

AGE / VALUE:   A Huffy? posted by: Gralyn on 10/25/2002 at 6:09:58 PM
I picked up a ladies 12-speed....the price was right -considering. I think it's a Huffy...and it says something on it about Greg LeMond. I bought it for parts. Araya rims, alloy cranks, seat post, Shimano SIS? Or maybe 600...I can't remember....Dia-compe brakes, and levers with hoods, luggage rack, water bottle cage and water bottle, alloy bars and good tape, alloy pedals - with toe clips and straps, etc.
But I thought the bike seemed a little weird...like none I had seen.....it was like this: imagine you are looking at picture of the bike in a magazine. They have text next to various features on the bike.....like at the front wheel - they have text that says "alloy rims"....and at the rear brakes - text to say "alloy brakes"....and etc. etc. So, this bike has text on the frame - next to these different features. I had never seen that.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A Huffy? posted by Gralyn on 10/25/2002 at 6:31:16 PM
What do I do with all these ladies frames I have accumulated?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A Huffy? posted by Brian L. on 10/25/2002 at 7:24:30 PM
Have you ever seen the scene in the movie "Fight Club" where Ed Norton is walking through his empty, generic apartment describing all of his yuppie conformist purchases? As he does, each IKEA item appears in the room, complete with price and Swedish name. Fantastic scene.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A Huffy? posted by Bob Hufford on 10/27/2002 at 4:15:52 AM
Sounds like the labeling in the Bat Cave ... (the campy --bike content? -- '60s TV version that is)

MISC:   Just Couldn't Do it posted by: Gralyn on 10/25/2002 at 5:54:11 PM
Coming home from work yesterday evening - and coming through a small town - I noticed a heap of bikes out on the curb at one house. It could have been 3 bikes, but I'm not sure. The one I could see looked to be an old 3-speed. My initial thought was to stop and check it out. That's what I really wanted to do...but it was raining....I was in my little 2-seater car....and there was a lot of traffic. So, I went on home. I thought...I will stop by very early in the morning on my way in to work...I will drive my wagon...but this morning came - I forgot about it...and drove my little 2-seater...and it was still raining...and I was running late...and there was a lot of traffic...so I let them pass by. But, generally knowing the area - my guess is that they were not really good bikes to begin with...probably Sears brand...or something like that. Well, maybe one of these days I will spot some trashed bikes at the curb...and I will stop....

   RE:MISC:   Just Couldn't Do it posted by David on 10/27/2002 at 2:14:55 PM
My experience sez: Stop now or forget it! Sounds like advice one can generalize to any "life situation," doesn't it?

AGE / VALUE:   '78 takara 10sp posted by: mike on 10/25/2002 at 8:24:12 AM
looking for any info and/or value on this bike. '78 takara 10 speed with the twin top tubes that go all the way back to the rear dropouts without any bends, yup straight back. this one also has the shimano ff front freewheel drive and is all complete and original, at least as far as i can tell. i found this one at a local 2nd hand store for less than $10 and thought that i was getting a good deal. i just want to find some info on this bike and a little history on the drivetrain. email me or post here. thanks for any help.


MISC:   Road Rage posted by: Rob on 10/24/2002 at 6:12:38 PM
I had a minor incident on my morning commute...I'd like to hear how others handle these kinds of incidents.

I was riding on a moderately busy, fairly wide divided suburban road (area of transition from warehousing to apartment buildings, 30mph...Vanness St. between Boundary and Joyce for those who know Vancouver). I was positioned about 2 to 3 feet away from the parked cars. I heard a car honk from behind, looked in my mirror...he was a fair way behind..I didn't think it was directed at me. Next thing the car passed within a foot of me, somewhat over the speed limit. I was startled, of course, and started to get angry. I actually caught up to the guy...he was letting off a passenger at a rapid transit station up ahead. Before I could say anything this 40ish looking, grayish haired, rather rough-looking and unkempt man leaned out of the window and let loose with stream of abusive, insulting and foul language. I was dumbstruck (fortunately, I think, in this case ...because usually I have a pretty good tongue). But I was really angry...after maybe 30 seconds he stopped and I rode off thinking how should I have handled this. In retrospect, I think the guy obviously has some mental problems, probably should not be driving, and probably 'hates' all cyclists, because they 'hold him up.'

I'd like to hear how the 'smart people' handle stuff like this. I commute basically 5 days a week...9 miles each way. I would guess I have some sort of annoying event, though not as bad as this one, maybe every three or four months. Once I cool down...usually after 5 minutes or so, I can see that 'it's no big deal', but if I had been 'armed' (I own no firearms!!!) and in a bad mood, I shuddered to think what might have happened...road rage...the curse of the modern era!

   RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Kevin K on 10/24/2002 at 6:43:50 PM
Hi Rob. I've found the older that there are just some people that are never pleased or happy. PERIOD ! I don't think it's mental or anything, they are just jerks. If you yell back it just lowers you to their level. Ignore them. It'll bother you for a bit not to let go on them but maybe not as much as if I'm wrong and the guy decides next time to get out of his car and do more than use abusive words. Family is more imporant. Set the example. Kevin K

   RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Keith on 10/24/2002 at 6:57:53 PM
I've flipped some people off anhd gotten into shouting matches -- it feels good for a moment to vent -- sometimes I feel a bit vindicated, but it doesn't really help the situation. One fellow commuter I know smiles and waives to fist-shaking horn honkers. There's a fair (and possibly growing) number of drivers out there who genuinely seem to hate cyclists. I'm not sure what if anything you can do about them. Added to that is the general trend toward stressed-out, impatient, and aggressive drivers, especially ones who learned to drive in Honda Civics but now drive monster V-8 SUVs. Anyway, some folks in our area (Columbus, Ohio) are getting set to ramp up our advocacy efforts. Eduacation and changes in the law may help -- we'll see. Bottom line -- I agree with Kevin -- one of these nuts may carry a gun. Swalow your pride and, when you reach an approrpiate points in your ride, do an all-out sprint and scream and it will help you feel better. If someone so much as nudges you, however, call the police. I don't carry one, but a lot of my friends carry cell phones with the speed dial set to 911.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Kevin K on 10/25/2002 at 10:26:12 AM
Hi Keith. I live north of you here in Toledo, actually Perrysburg. I live on West River Road, a very hilly,twisty and fun road to ride. About 15 miles between Pburg and Grand Rapids. Most of it is now no passing. More and more cyclists are riding this road. Most do so very well, staying tight in a pack while the last guy hangs out a bit and watches traffic. Most drivers give them lots of room. But now we've got these two guys out here that insist they are going to ride out in traffic, not on the shoulder. This road has a posted speed limit of 55 mph. Most people are at 70. At 60 they ride your rear pretty hard. I fear one of these days these guys are going to find out the hard way they should be on the shoulder. About 5 years ago I saw a cyclist go head on with a van about 2 miles from my home. It was a terrible crash. I was the first on to reach the man. He wasn't breathing. As I was getting him to where I could do CPR he moaned. I held him still until the paramedics arrived. He lived but......... I guess what I'm saying is cars are very unforgiving and no way is a guy on a bike going to win. Stay out of there way. Live to enjoy the next ride. Kevin K

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Gralyn on 10/25/2002 at 12:41:17 PM
When I'm behind the wheel....and come up on a cyclist(s) - at the very first reaction....is the inconvenience, or having to slow-down, or get around them....and if I'm running late, etc. etc.....but then I quickly think....what if that was me on the bike....I know how much the cyclist is enjoying the ride...just like me....and I know how traffic is - when I'm on the bike....and so, I don't get angry....I understand....and I also understand their safety...so I will be very careful in getting around them...so as to not put them in any danger.

But also - there have been times when motorists yell and scream at me...it really makes me angry! But I just keep my cool and keep pedaling. What is there problem?

   RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Richard on 10/25/2002 at 5:12:09 PM
Ive been verbally threatened to be run over and also to be sexually assalted by motorists. Went to the police with complant, donut chokers did nothing but scoff. I ride by myself mostly and I no longer ride without a weapon. I think some people just dont know how to handle it when they see true freedom and thats what cycling is.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Gralyn on 10/25/2002 at 7:01:05 PM
I occasionally see a lady riding alone. Safety-wise it's not too bad where I live...but I wouldn't recommend it without a weapon. I, a gentleman, feel vulnerable riding alone..and would feel much safer if I had a weapon. But, I will probably never get one....unless something happens...but it's not all that likely....but it could happen. I do get yelled at sometimes. Motorists scream at me and tell me to get the hell off the road. I even got hit one time...and the motorist just kept on going. Didn't stop to see if I was alright...or to opoligize....nothing.

   RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/26/2002 at 1:03:43 AM
Last time I had a confrontation with a motorist, it was on Cambie & 18th, alot of redneck language and fingers flashing. I met up with him at the light on Cambie and 12th, when I asked him to call up the cops and ask why cyclists aren't allowed on the sidewalk, it shut him up enough to get him thinking. Most poor slobs automatically think of bikes as toys, and cyclists as idiots who are too poor or stupid to drive redneck-mobiles. Just remember the bigger the vehicle, the smaller the "equipment" on hte driver...

   RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Rob on 10/26/2002 at 4:07:01 PM
Not surprisingly, this touched a nerve with a lot of people. I suppose most of us know what we should do...try to let it go and not get angry, but it sure can be difficult to do at the time. Probably the best thing is to support the cyclist advocacy groups and focus on driver awareness issues. The vast majority, 95%+, of drivers I encounter are quite reasonable and accommodating (...I make a point of trying to avoid the really busy narrow streets). Some drivers are so gracious they will let you have the right-of-way even when you would rather they would just clear through the intersection or whatever.

As for the police...well in fairness to them, I think they know that unless something serious actually happens it's really a waste of time for everyone involved...hurt feelings don't appear to be a luxury they are prepared to accommodate...

   RE:RE:MISC: Be careful, my bike friends! posted by (Still alive) Chris on 10/26/2002 at 7:08:06 PM
If that crazy, elderly, rich man who drives the new Porche on the sidewalks runs us down while we try to get into the pizza shop to collect dinner, it was good to know you all here. This post brings back bad memories.
Lately it's really gotten crazy, more so than ever before in my lifetime.
I won't get started on this.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by Chris on 10/26/2002 at 7:10:16 PM
Verbally threatened to be sexually assulted? They yelled that at a bicyclist? Never heard of that one before.

     Road Rage posted by John E on 10/27/2002 at 2:48:33 AM
I do not always behave properly myself, but I strongly recommend avoiding or escalating a confrontation. If the motorist in question is having a "teachable moment," discuss the situation calmly and cordially. If not, do not risk inciting a homicidal maniac.

The only place I see to get honked is in the downtown district of Encinitas, where Coast Highway 101 is four lanes wide, with a 30mph/50kph posted speed limit, diagonal on-street parking, and no space for safe lane-sharing. On this stretch of road, I normally occupy the center of the right lane, to the apparent chagrin of some motorists, but I am not going to risk being struck by someone backing out of a diagonal parking space.

   RE:MISC:   Road Rage posted by sam on 10/27/2002 at 3:27:15 AM
Always be polite,always.Even when you don't want to.Especially when you don't want to.I always cover the bike lock and chain I hold in my right hand with my helment held in the left hand. Also remember,even though we can ride on most streets there are some we should not.And times on others when we should avoid them.Give the motorest the cursity,after all we don't want motorcycles or ATVs on bike&hike paths,do we?---sam PS You can be dead right!

AGE / VALUE:   MEMORY LANES SWAP MEET posted by: Kevin K on 10/24/2002 at 6:04:38 PM
Hi all. Man is it cold there( here ) Some really nice lightweight items already inc. a rare Italian track bike. A man from the East Coast brought a bunch of lightweight goodies with him and this was one of them. I bought a Nishiki International for it's Suntour Group, Dia-Compe sidepulls and levers with nice gummed hoods and a beautiful 27x1" wheelset. This bike could have been close to NOS condition were it not for the way it was delivered to the swap meet. Scratched it up pretty good. The Sugino crankset is real cool too. Never seen one of this style. The chain rings are drilled also. Sweet looking bike. Weather is to warm up for tomorrow a bit. Should be an ok show. Kevin K

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AM in desperate need of info about early disc brakes! posted by: Trevor on 10/24/2002 at 2:52:57 AM
I have acguired a JC PEnnny 12 speed with a shimano disc brake in the rear. I was under the impression that these shimano disc brakes were only sutible for the juvinile market and lacked the appropriate stopping power for adult bikes. Is this accurate? cause this bike stops quite well. Were there other models of Schwinn disc brakes? I want to learn as much as possible about disc brakes at that time. Anyone help me out? Would it be wise to switch the brake over to my Schwinn Varsity? What about fron disc brakes? INform ME! Please!

Trevor Martin