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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

MISC:   Have been given a bike posted by: JOn on 11/10/2002 at 10:35:54 PM
I have been given a bike.
It was rescued from the scrap man.

It is a Raliegh 'corsa' ?????? with a Raynolds chromealloy M badge. In white with shimarno silver bits.

It is missing a rear wheel but seems to be very light. Is it worth hanging on to to see if I can pick up a rear wheel in a car boot sale ????? or is it just old today?. the frame is slightly scratched but still presentable I guess if I were to do it up for a nephew or something. Trouble is, they all want mountain bikes :|.
What I guess im really asking is. It it worth spending any time on.

thanks in advance

   RE:MISC:   Have been given a bike posted by JOn on 11/13/2002 at 2:43:15 PM
No. im quite sure (due to the graphics style and build) that this is a 90's model.
After I have cleaned it up more it seems to be very well put together mostly with allen nuts. The Shimano bits look more impressive than usual I think. I wouldnt like to buy then anyway :)

If anyone has a photo directory link? of 1990's raleigh bikes I could more accuratly point the model out...The only model branding I see is a script type lettering of the word 'corsa' on its ouch barr.

   RE:MISC: Have been given a bike posted by Steve on 11/12/2002 at 5:19:10 PM
Could it be a Raleigh Super Course? If so, that's a nice bike and worth restoring. See http://www.speakeasy.org/'tabula/raleigh/ . Probably from the mid-70s. I don't think they originally had Shimano parts, but of course a previous owner could have upgraded them.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Juy deraileur on ebay posted by: Dennis Savage on 11/10/2002 at 4:20:28 AM
Shouldn't this be getting some bids? Don't they usually go for a lot of moola? Is it because of the misspelling? (deraileur) Or is there something wrong with it that i don't see, because i dont know much about these derailleurs. If it is because of the misspelling; You should know to try derailer and deraileur and derailler (not a misspelling according to Sheldon Brown). And dont forget: Campagnola.
He is in Scotland but he does take Pay pal. He also has other misspelled deraileurs.

      Simplex Juy deraileur on ebay posted by John E on 11/10/2002 at 9:29:57 PM
Although it probably is at least somewhat collectible, the specimen in question is a bit rough, and it predates the popular mid-1950s 543 model, which at least takes a standard rear axle "claw" mount. This one pretty much requires a frame with the matching chainstay-mounted mounting tabs. Of course, for the owner of one of said frames, this thing could prove very valuable ...

AGE / VALUE:   Torrot follow-up posted by: axel on 11/9/2002 at 1:09:25 AM
I forgot to mention that if possible, I would like a general price quote on this frameset. It is in very good condition considering what it went through. It sat in the bike room in my dorm for a few years just basically rotting away. It has some very minor scratching, but is otherwise in excellent shape. It is red, if that helps with the dating?
Thanks, Alex

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Torrot follow-up posted by axel on 11/9/2002 at 1:16:22 AM
To contact me, please email me. It will definitely be more convenient for me!
Thanks again, Alex

FOR SALE:   Simplex Prestige Rear der. and clamp shifters posted by: axel on 11/9/2002 at 1:04:41 AM
I have a Simplex rear derailleur and down tube shifters in excellentcondition(almost NOS, but not quite). I will ship it to the person who makes the highest offer. Serious inquiries only, please.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Simplex Prestige Rear der. and clamp shifters posted by Youngman on 11/9/2002 at 11:52:57 PM
Isn't any offer a good offer on a Simplex Prestige derailleur?

Of course, I too would love a good price on a NR crankset.

I'm sorry to sound so facetious but...

WANTED:   Campagnolo NR crank and general info posted by: axel on 11/9/2002 at 1:02:26 AM
I was wondering if anyone had a reasonably priced campy NR crankset? I do not want to spend a fortune. Also, does anyone have a nice set of 27"x1 1/8 rims for sale? I also am looking for info on high end brakes for a 27" 10 speed Schwinn. Can you use campy or similar brakes with 27" rims? Let me know!

   brake reach posted by John E on 11/10/2002 at 4:21:44 AM
To determine which brakes you can use on your frameset, you need to estimate the brake reach with 27" and with 700C rims. An older frame will typically require significantly longer-reach brakes than a later model. Since 27" (actually, 630mm) rims have a 4mm greater radius than 700Cs (622mm), they will accommodate somewhat shorter-reach brakes on a given frameset. What are the model and production year of your Schwinn?

AGE / VALUE:   torrot modelo patentado posted by: axel on 11/9/2002 at 1:00:59 AM
I recently saved a 70's Torrot road bike from the jaws of bike hell. I need info on this bike. It has olympic rings on all of the decals, and the derailleurs and shifters were simplex prestige. The brakes and other components are all "Super Olimpic". It says "modelo patentado" in several places as well. The frame is in excellent shape, but some of the components are totally destroyed. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Trek 400 posted by: Keith on 11/8/2002 at 3:41:02 PM
I noticed this ad on the recycledcycles.net page: 60cm TREK 400 -- 12 speeds, red -- (Was $200) Now $150
True Temper chrome-moly frame and fork of lugged construction, Ofmega Mistral crank,
Suntour Cyclone derailleurs, Sunshine Gyromaster hubs, Matrix rims, Dia-compe 500G brakes. Generally good
condition, with some surface rust and scratches.

I have no relation to this seller but once bought a bike from him and found him to be trustworthy. The 400 models were silver brazed, some with True Temper, others with 531 main tubes. Very nice cast lugs. Versitle sport-touring geometry. I post this because I know at least some of you are looking for such a bike in this pricerange. Good performance (I rode up Mt. Lemon and did a sub-5 hour century on a 400) and good value.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AGE: Raleigh Grand Prix w/Huret & Stronglight posted by: William Hale on 11/8/2002 at 5:33:04 AM

I recently bought a Raleigh Grand Prix at a thrift shop and am curious about its age. The frame is bronze/green, with Huret RD FD and D/T shifters, Brooks B72 saddle, Weinmann centerpulls, GR stem and bars (alloy), Normandy large flange front hub laced to a Dunlap chromed steel rim, with red "C" track-style nuts (does this stand for "Carleton"?) The only serial number I see is a six digit stamping on the left rear dropout (290772) -- no letters. Stronglight steel cottered cranks (42 & 52 rings). Heron head-badge, Nottingham.

I am not asking about the value, unless I am wrong in assuming that this is not especially valuable. But I am curious about the age, and whether this bike was made in the Nottingham works. (At the bottom of the seat tube, there is a sticker stating that the bike was serviced by a Raleigh dealer in Alabama. Isn't this the location where some Raleighs sported labels proclaiming them built elsewhere, "to Raleigh standards..."?) Does anyone recall this combination of components? Early '70's? Late '60's?

The label at the top of the seatpost which identifies the steel tubing is defaced. But surely this is not Reynolds 531? All in all, it looks to me like a nice city beater, worth putting on new tires (found with old Raleigh tires: one yellow dot in terrible condition and one red dot, just a bit better) -- and certainly needs cables, brake blocks, and a bit of Proofide, etc. Opinions? Thanks to all.

Bill Hale - Washington, DC

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AGE: Raleigh Grand Prix w/Huret & Stronglight posted by Keith on 11/8/2002 at 3:13:49 PM
As you may alreay know, the Retro Raleigh site's catelogs are temporarily inaccessible. Keep checking there, starting with 1970 -- http://www.speakeasy.org/'tabula/raleigh/ I think early 70s sounds right. I assume the Ds are chrome Allvits? As I recall the Gran Prix was one model up from the Record. I believe the RI designation is "DL-112." My 1972 Consumer Guide specs it with Simplex, but in my experience it's not at all unusual in this period to see Simplex and Huret used interchangeably regardless of catelog specs. The price was $112 in 1971-72. FWIW, the CG also says the tubing is "chrome alloy" rather than carbon steel.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AGE: Raleigh Grand Prix w/Huret & Stronglight posted by Rob on 11/8/2002 at 7:31:12 PM
I would say it's from the early '70's...70,72,73 or 74...is the word "Raleigh" on a black background? The "C" will stand for Carleton...those nuts also came with the letter "R", but I'm not sure whether this would mean much, maybe the axles were replaced...some of the models came with QR's, but I'm not sure about the early ones...I think all the 71 models had an oval 'anniversary' head badge. I think the RI designation is actually DL 115, but maybe it varies with the year... The stems and bars with be "GB". I have catalogues in pdf format for 1970, 73 and 74...if you want them e-mailed let me know...all three total about 4.5 mb...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AGE: Raleigh Grand Prix w/Huret & Stronglight posted by William H on 11/9/2002 at 6:28:01 AM
Thanks to Keith and Rob for your responses. The derailleurs don't look like Allvit's to me. The (steel?) bodies are lettered "Huret." I did find an interesting page from a Japanese website with a splendid gallery of Huret D's and shifters http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/'fwbc0260/hunter/huret/huret.htm
Based on those photos, my RD looks most similar to the touring "Luxe" model. The downtube shifters look just like the models illustrated for "Allvit" though.

To answer Rob, the "Raleigh" lettering on the tubes is against the familiar black background. I am nearly certain that, as found, the rear wheel was a replacement (stee; Araya rim, Sunshine hub, solid axle, plain non-track nuts). But the front wheel is more likely original [chrome, stamped "STURMEY ARCHER ENGLAND K250" - 36 spokes, high flange Normandy hubs, solid axle, red "C" track nuts].

I don't think I have the oval anniversary head badge. Mine looks like others I have seen. I should have a better memory of these bikes, as I bought a bike or two during the era we are talking about. But I didn't really look twice at any of the bikes with cottered cranks. Time has its way of balancing our accounts, and I find that I have bought two bikes with steel cranks just this year! And I intend to ride them both. (I suppose I have Raleigh threads on this BB, right? Headset, too?)

I had noticed that the catalogues do not work on the Retro Raleigh site, so if Rob is willing, I would be delighted to have an email of his PDF file of, say, 1970 -- to start. Thanks to you both. Bill

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   AGE: Raleigh Grand Prix w/Huret & Stronglight posted by Rob on 11/12/2002 at 6:34:43 AM

I'll e-mail the '70 catalog from work tomorrow...it'll go alot faster than my 56k home connection...as to the BB and headset threads, I'm not 100% sure but I think you'll find that by the 1970's, Raleighs were fully ISO, but be careful. As always with road bikes 'expect the unexpected...' Maybe someone else knows...

WANTED:   Anybody have this stuff? posted by: Bret Fenton on 11/7/2002 at 2:08:17 AM
Need the following: Rubber boots for steel two-foot Campy pump heads for Silca frame pumps, 32hole Arc enCiels tubular rims in BLUE, axle kit or cones for mid eightys Dura-Ace front hub, NOS Cinelli 1A or 1R stem in 130mm, Normal reach Campy/Superbe/Galli/D-Ace calipers, 7spd cassettes for Dura-Ace 13X26, 7spd Sun-Tour/Sachs/Shimano freewheels 13x26, 6spd regina oro freewheel 14x24 and oro chain, pre-splined Dura-Ace crankset for traditional BB in 172 or 175 w/39x53 rings or without rings.
Doing some sprucing up of bikes I still ride...thanx for any help.

AGE / VALUE:   80's Centurion Bicycle?? posted by: Todd on 11/6/2002 at 1:02:54 PM
Hello, I picked up a nice & pretty (light) early 80s Centurion bicycle. All suntour & rides great! Anybody know anything about these bicycle's? When where they made & how long of a production run did they have. I don't see many around. Please post, Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   80's Centurion Bicycle?? posted by Keith on 11/6/2002 at 3:35:47 PM
Sheldon Brown has a bit on Centurians: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/japan.html#centurion I once owned a Centurian Dave Scott Ironman, one of the first bikes offered as a triathlon model. It had 7-speed dt index Shimano 600, 32 rear/28 front spoked wheels, and Tange #1 tubing. Very clean brazing, late 80s smoke-purple fading to pearlized white paint job. This is one of the ones I very much regret selling. Japanese-made, same company that made Diamondbacks, good stuff.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   80's Centurion Bicycle?? posted by Gralyn on 11/6/2002 at 5:02:54 PM
I have an older Centurion - but I can't recall the model. It has a round...or maybe oval head badge with a large "C" in the middle. From what I can recall - it has Sugino cranks, dia-compe brakes....it looks 70 ish....late 70's. But, I have a Centurion LeMans frame. It's the purple...that fades to white....very nice frame....really light. But, it's too tall for me...it's a 25" - and I ride 21" and 23". It originally had 1" wheels, Bio-pace chain ring, white Turbo saddle, aero brakes, 6-speed cassette. I need to get rid of the frame. If you know of anyone who might be interested in it...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   80's Centurion Bicycle?? posted by Dennis Savage on 11/8/2002 at 8:54:31 AM
Go to the scroll window at the top of this page and click on "SEARCH our Discussion Area Archives". Type "centurion" in the box. They are mentioned often here. They run the gamut from the Dave Scott Ironman to steel wheeled bikes with Suntour 7 deraillers with adapter claws. Lately all i see is the latter. A lot of mixte frames. It seems no 2 are alike, even if they are both called Lemans. I have a Super Lemans that is so good that i am trying to get my Raleigh Competition to be as good as it. But that is a different subject. I'll post it soon.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Attention: Collector's & Restorer's posted by: Earl ~ USA on 11/5/2002 at 10:42:37 PM
One owner, 1976 or 1977 bmx Redline bicycle.
Original Tires/Parts/etc! Lightweight chrome moly.
Need serious collector's/restorer's to e-mail or
phone: (931)296-4775 TN. it's value. Buyers are
welcome to express their interest.

AGE / VALUE:   speedwell titanium posted by: pat on 11/5/2002 at 1:39:24 AM
I'm looking for any information re: age and value and availability of a Speedwell titanium bicycle approx. 55-57
in size. Anyone have any info??? I think only a few of them were built in the 70's and early 80's in England.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   speedwell titanium posted by Skip Echert on 11/5/2002 at 7:00:10 AM
Hello Pat -
Have a look at


AGE / VALUE:   De Rosa Question posted by: Mike on 11/4/2002 at 11:49:39 PM
Does anyone know for sure what year the first De Rosas were made? I have a 35th anniversary model and and I would like like to know what year that was. It should be somewhere in the mid 80's. If you know please email me at denvermike@frii.com, thanks, Mike.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1987 Specialized Allez posted by: Robby on 11/4/2002 at 8:29:27 PM
I have a Specialized Allez, a 1987, anyway can decals be got for this frame, it's the same frame as in American Flyers, at least thats what i want it to look like..

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Death fork! posted by: David on 11/4/2002 at 4:37:05 AM
As I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge this afternoon, an older bike with a Lycra-and-advertising clad rider caught my eye: a Viscount Aerospace Pro with the original death fork! He was gone before I could warn him of his doom.