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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

WANTED:   Information on Raliegh Runabout 1950's posted by: Andy Yates on 11/17/2002 at 4:57:45 PM
Does anybody know of where i can obtain information on a raliegh runabout including possible values e.t.c

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bluemel's Question posted by: BeeGee on 11/17/2002 at 4:18:54 PM
Can those Bluemel's Club Specials fit a 700 rim? I thought they were sized only to fit the Lenton-type bikes-hope I'm mistaken. The Blumee's are so nice in comparison to the SKS's (which I may have to use)!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bluemel's Question posted by Steven on 11/17/2002 at 5:32:19 PM
They will fit the tire size with no problems. The only possible difficulties are linked to the brake width. You can however overcome this problem with some cutting.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bluemel's Question posted by Warren on 11/17/2002 at 5:41:33 PM
Yup...I'm using them now. They were designed for EA1 and EA3 wheels...which are really not much smaller than 700c's when you take the height of the tire into account. This is why you can fit a 700c wheel (with smaller tires) on an English sports frame with enough clearance for a small lightweight mudguard. Like a Bluemel!

AGE / VALUE:   CHECKING OUT A BENT FORK posted by: Kevin K on 11/17/2002 at 4:11:28 PM
Hi all.Other than obvious damage such as buckled top or down tubes, paint fractures and fork rake, ie there anyway to check a fork for damage. The fork in question, i f bent, has very minor damage. it could possibly be just one fork side instead of the both of them. Any advice? Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CHECKING OUT A BENT FORK posted by dafydd_williams on 11/17/2002 at 10:35:20 PM
coupla things you can do, when it's on the bike. draw an imaginary line through the head tube; the fork should follow this line up to the rake. this'll let you see if it's pushed back. stand over the bike and try to line the fork crown (using a straigh edge or another imaginary line) up with the axle. they should sit on the same plane unless it is bent. if the fork is off the bike, lay it on a pane of glass, with only the fork crown and fork ends resting on it. they should all rest. of course, if it's already off, you might as well take it to your LBS and have them put it in a jig (bring the whole bike, as they might need it if the fork needs to be jacked).

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by: Oscar on 11/17/2002 at 6:13:06 AM
You've no doubt seen ebay auctions from the guy who strips down low end bikes and calls them track bikes.


I suppose the guy in sunny SoCal can't sell the bikes as is, so he jumps on the fixed gear fascination. The problem is that toe clips, or "clip-less" pedals should be required as safety equipment. If your feet slip off of rubber pedals, the crank is going keep spinning. A single brake on a chrome rim won't guarantee you'll stop before the middle of the intersection.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Richard on 11/18/2002 at 5:53:12 PM
Why would I pay $8.00 for a clamp when Iam buying whole bikes for $2.00 to $3.00?!?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Keith on 11/18/2002 at 6:06:21 PM
I've also converted numerous 10-12 speed bikes to fixed gear, and some back to multi-speed, though I've never sold them on eBay or for a profit. I don't think most of the eBay fixies I've seen compere to a Corvette of any year -- the Vette was a unique top-end American version of a sports car from the get go. Most of these low to mid-range 10-12 speeds are not in any way unique -- no apologies on this observation -- and are likely landfill foder if not dressed up and made more appealing. Keep in mind, there's lots of these bikes chasing relatively few interested riders. Now, it could be argued that a 1978 Nishiki will someday have collector's value. Though that's a doubtful proposition, even if it was true, then, yes, EVERYTHING will someday be collectable simply because it's old. Not good enough for me. So I freely take low to mid-range bikes from the 70s and 80s and tinker with them, modify them, strip them down, make fixed gear bikes, etc. Now, if these guys were taking otherwise original, complete top-end bikes, 1970 Cinelli Super Courses, Masis, early 50s Bianchis, curly-stayed Hetchins etc., and parting them out, yes, I'd be offended from a collector's and history buff's standpoint. Really, parting out anything that started out all Campy NR or SR in the 70s that's in excellent complete condition would be a shame, but I think that's where the money is from watching eBay. But the Suntour V-equiped Fuji, the Simplex Prestige-equiped Raleigh Record, Peugeot UO-8, etc. -- do as you please with them.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Keith on 11/18/2002 at 6:08:56 PM
P.S. I do agree on the no-brake issue. It's quite the fad with local messengers for reasons I'll never understand -- macho death wish I guess? Anyway, I think having two brakes on a fixed gear is better if the rider is inexperienced with fixed gear, or the conversion is with a regular road hub that lacks a true reverse-thread lockring.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Stacey on 11/18/2002 at 11:51:12 PM
... and doing quality restorations too, I'm sure Richard.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Richard on 11/19/2002 at 4:55:34 PM
My apoligies for not being a bike snob, but some of us actually ride.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Keith on 11/19/2002 at 6:57:38 PM
5000 miles a year!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Kevin K on 11/17/2002 at 3:40:03 PM
Hi. Yea. There is that guy and one other out in Ca. doing this to bikes. Thing is I've seen some of their bikes bring good money and other times the bike would have been better off sold complete. Not that I save every bike I encounter but what I've wondered is what are they going with all the parts they are stripping off? I'm sure they go right into the trash! Too bad. The other thing I've wondered is where do they pick up quality bikes like some have been on such a large scale? An inside source someplace I'm sure. Well it's a free country. Let's hope the fad passes before every bike in the land has been converted into a single speed. Kevin K

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Chuck on 11/17/2002 at 6:21:44 PM
Kevin, it would be hard to imagine anyone that goes to the trouble of converting a derailleur bike to a fixed gear to make a few bucks on eBay would be throwing _anything_ of value into the trash. The parts go to sell on eBay, no doubt.

Source of bikes? Local bike shops, thrift stores, police auctions... the usual places.

If there weren't paying customers for his "track" bikes, he wouldn't be doing it.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Kevin K on 11/17/2002 at 8:27:10 PM
Hi Chuck. Consider this opinion please. Back in the 70's I worked in a Corvette customizing shop. At that time 50's and 60's Corvettes were simply considered used cars. We cut up and modified way more cars than I care to think about. Several dozen of these cars would be what one would consider "survivor" cars today. Nice 100% original Corvettes. IF they would have been parked in a garage and simply left alone they would be worth a small fortune today. But money was made, and a lot of it, by myself and coworkers back then customizing them. Now today big money is being spent returning these cars back to there original condition. But they will never be original again.Hence my opinion on the bikes. And that's the only point I was trying to make. I've seen several Schwinn bikes on ebay listed as track bike. I can see that they were really very nice original 10, 12 and possibly 15 speed bikes. My only thought was maybe some of these clean originals should be sold complete instead of converted. But as you said there is a market for them. All the more power to those guys selling them. Great. If I offended by stating my opinion, sorry. But maybe, just maybe, the original bikes can be spared and sold complete. Even if they don't make as much money it'll remain complete. Thanks for reading,Kevin K

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by sam on 11/17/2002 at 10:02:37 PM
also how do you know this Benotto is really made in Italy?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Chuck on 11/18/2002 at 12:39:00 AM
Everyone's opinion has value here, Kevin!

I too think it is not only stupid but misleading (yeah right, it's a "track" bike). But it is pretty hard to argue with willing buyers with money in their hand bidding on this crap.

But on the other hand, I'm not worried that these Bozos are going to take anything rare and convert it to a "track" bike. They only do this to common bikes that aren't being bought otherwise. They know they can sell the uncommon rare thing for good money without monkeying with it.

The concept is "Making a silk purse out of a sow's ear."

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by David on 11/18/2002 at 2:16:09 AM
Some of these bikes are dangerous - especially to the inexperienced fixed-gear rider. No brake, reduced ground clearance from fitting smaller wheels, too-long cranks. Makes the death fork look like a safety feature.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Richard on 11/18/2002 at 4:54:21 AM
I got tired of seeing old 10 and 12 speed bikes being bought, chopped, and parted out. So I started buying them and restoring them (the best I can with limited funds). Only problem is they are worth more as seperate parts than they are as a whole (painful but true). I will continue my quest to save bikes from hackers and the landfill as long as I can.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Oscar on 11/18/2002 at 5:02:21 AM
I've got three non-rare bikes that I have stripped down to singles or fixed. I always store the the parts away for their eventual reunion. My fixed gears all have short cranks, toe straps and brakes (that acutally reach the rim). Whenever I pass along a bike, it goes out clean and complete.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Gralyn on 11/18/2002 at 1:13:33 PM
I've converted a few to fixed-gear myself. The bikes were nothing special - and of no real value. But, I only did it for my own personal use. However, so far as hacking these bike....I have done nothing that severe. I kept all the components so that the bike could be put back as original. For example, I have a Nishiki Sport that I converted to fixed. Just recently, I "restored" it back to it's original 12-speed der. condition.

Yes, I wondered what the guy was doing with all the components he was stripping off the bikes....then I thought...I bet they are also on e-bay for sale..in the parts section.

Also, when I look up "track" bikes on e-bay....those are always there...and they're not "track" bikes.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Starting to bug me posted by Stacey on 11/18/2002 at 2:07:11 PM
You are 100% correct Richard, most bikes are anti-synergistic, the whole is less than the sum of the parts. This is especially true with less than perfect examples.

There are some very valid factors that control this. Primarily, there are more bikes (of a given model) out there that are being restored than people which are looking for that particular bike to restore. Then there is the shipping factor.

Postulate for a moment that you need a select handful of parts to complete the restoration of your 1964 Needsmore Racer. I have a 1964 Needsmore Racer in somewhat tatty shape but the seat clamp and brake caliper you need for your restoration on my bike are excellent. Would you pay my $29.95 asking bid... plus maybe another $30.00 for shipping so you could get a complete bike just for those parts? I think not. But you'd, in a heart beat, pay $8.00 for the clamp and $10.00 for the caliper and another $4.00 to ship them. It's just good economic sense.

There is only so much NOS bits sitting on dealers shelves, when it's gone it's gone, then you have to look for used. Where does the used bits come from? Right, the tatty bikes I take apart and piece out on eBay or at swap meets. So, in the end should you think me a parts whore or a vulture or whatever you percieve me to be. That's ok with me, because I know that I'm providing a valuable service to more forward thinking people than yourself. Just remember that when you come to me (or someone like me) when you need that last widget to complete your 1964 Needsmore Racer.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   schwinn superior & 50th anniversary paramounts posted by: Charles C. Mack on 11/17/2002 at 5:37:46 AM
I am requested a ballpark value of either a Schwinn Superior with Campy Gran Sport w/Orange frame and or the Black & Gold fork combo for a 50th anniversary Schwinn Paramount ... possibly in the Los Angeles basin ??? Thanks

AGE / VALUE:   Mercier BORDEAUX PARIS posted by: kevin on 11/16/2002 at 7:16:05 PM
Does anyone know anything about this model? The Mercier "Bordeaux Paris"? When it was made... how much its worth? I know components are a big part... and here's an example. Any guesses on the value of this bike? Thanks.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mercier BORDEAUX PARIS posted by David on 11/17/2002 at 12:16:55 AM
80s probably; end of the 27" era? Middle-range frame ("tre tubi"), middle quality components. It appears that the seller is unwilling to accept the judgement of potential buyers regarding its worth!

FOR SALE:    posted by: Keith on 11/15/2002 at 6:11:26 PM
Not by me, but some chap in Englad is selling lots of very old (50s vintage) French, English and Italian parts on eBay right now -- less than 24 hours to go so at least look at vintage parts you may never see otherwise. Here's Stronglight 49D cranks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=733860670 Some of the parts he's selling have gone for lots of $$$ in auctions in the past year or so. No reserve. I have no relation whatsoever to this seller.

AGE / VALUE:   Here's the link....I forgot to post it posted by: Gralyn on 11/15/2002 at 4:53:07 PM
I forgot to post the link with the previous message....


AGE / VALUE:   Peugoet ....Carbolite 103? posted by: Gralyn on 11/15/2002 at 4:46:07 PM
What's the deal with this one? It doesn't seem to be anything special to me? Am I missing something? I would expect something like this to sell for about $60 or $70 - not $250.

Anyone have knowledge as to why this bike would get such bids?

It seems to be Peugoet with 103 frame. No brakes or anything. The eyelets are there where the brake cables used to run through. Looks like there is the bracket at the headset where the center-pull brake cable used to run. The pedals look really plain and common for low-end older bikes. I guess I'm missing it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugoet ....Carbolite 103? posted by Oscar on 11/15/2002 at 5:28:18 PM
That guy in Sunny SoCal has been stripping parts off of a lot of bikes and selling them as fixies or track bikes. I've only seen one "nice" frame bike of his, and the rest are low-enders.

Otherwise, I can't imagine the bidding war over this bike. Carbolite, centerbrake reach, bad pedals...

What's this about a two-speed freewheel?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugoet ....Carbolite 103? posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 6:17:00 PM
One Carbolite frame passed through my hands briefly -- it was plain carbon tubing, and soft at that since the tubes were very narrow. It also had internal cable routing. I wouldn't even pay $50 for it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugoet ....Carbolite 103? posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 6:20:41 PM
I take it back -- I had two of these pass through my hands -- one was white, and the other was identical to the eBay bike except that it had Huret derailleurs (steel, nothing good) and Maillard Helicomatic rear hub. I took it in just to play with the hub and se what it was like, then gave it away.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugoet ....Carbolite 103? posted by Gralyn on 11/15/2002 at 6:58:58 PM
I had a Peugeot with Carbolite 103 frame - with your typical components - upgraded the rear to a 6-speed - and sold it for about $30. Yes, most of what this guy sells is low end, stripped and converted to fixed gear - they usually don't go for that much money.
I have an old Nishiki, old Hercules, a Ross, and a Fuji that I converted to fixed....maybe I should list them on e-bay? They look a lot better than this one...and I even use frames without the braze-on's along the top tube.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugoet ....Carbolite 103? posted by David on 11/17/2002 at 12:49:47 AM
Someone got ripped off here, and they may not live to tell about it! Seller sez the front brake won't be installed. No wonder, look at the reach the brake would require! He's put 700c wheels on a frame built for 27". If you look at the 170mm crank, you'll see that the inexperienced fixie rider will take a spill on the first turn! The pedal at the bottom can't be more than a couple inches off the ground.

AGE / VALUE:   Le Tour posted by: Freddie on 11/15/2002 at 9:48:29 AM
I just got a schwinn Le Tour in very good condition and it is a great ridding bike. The only other schwinn road bikes I have ownd were a varsity and travler. This seems to be a much better bike. What do you thik of the La Tour as compaired to the other bikes and about how much did it sell for new? I love the way this bike fits me and it will be a keeper only the saddle will have to go. It is well used and in good shape but very hard and slick.Any suggestions on a good schwinn replacement. Thanks Freddie

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Le Tour posted by Tom Findley on 11/18/2002 at 5:33:34 PM
The Le Tour was a continuation of Schwinn's higher-level bikes, with lighter weight and snazzier parts. It was the same bike as the Continental, then Sports Tourer, and was renamed the Le Tour in 1974. It eveolved from French parts to Japanese parts as the years went by.

The bike cost on average about $225.

The models were Le Tour, Le Tour 2, 3, 4, and Super Le Tour 12.2 (kilograms), which cost more.

I got on a Le Tour kick, and have bought 3 of them for between $25 and $35.

Here is an ad for the '74 model. It is the same bike as my '71 Sports Tourer:


Here is a '76 ad:


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Le Tour posted by Kevin K on 11/15/2002 at 1:13:00 PM
Hi Freddie. The Letour line started offically in 1974 though a few bikes actually have had late 1973 dates on them and went into the 90's. You need to be more specific on the bike. Some of the 80's offerings were really nice riders with double butted 4130 frames, True Temper and even Columbus tubing offered along with very good components. Good solid bikes. On the Letours I ride I've installed Italian saddles. They offer a nice feel and are not expensive. So get a little more specific about the bike. Enjoy, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Le Tour posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 4:46:40 PM
I rode a LeTour to work for a couple of years. It was a very good, solid bike -- not a racing bike, but a good "sports-touring" machine that was quite versatile. It was made with True Temper tubing and was equiped with mostly French components -- Sachs-Huret "Rival" derailleurs, and Stronglight cranks. The brakes were the ubiquitous Dia Compe sidepulls. I also had a Le Tour Luxe frame, which I gave to someone who frequents this site -- it had brazeons for cantelever brakes and double eyelets for racks and fenders. For saddles, I personally favor the Brooks B-17, available from Harris (sheldonbrown.com) or bicycleclassics.com. I've also been happy with the conteprorary Selle Italia Max Flite Trans Am. Newer and better tires may also improve the ride quality -- scroll down for advice on that subject. Get the best tires you can afford.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Le Tour posted by freddie on 11/15/2002 at 8:37:42 PM
I just went outside and checked. It has a 4130 decal on the seat tube. The rear derailer has in small letters schwinn approved GT 400 and large letters Le Tour. The other has in small letters shimano uniglide then in larger letters shimano 400.The head badge has japan and adecal on the seat tube says man.in japan for the schwinn corp.I did put the very best skin wall tires I could find on it and it rides great..

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Le Tour posted by Freddie on 11/15/2002 at 8:42:33 PM
forgot to add the brakes are center pull dicomp with the schwinn approved markings. The cranks have the Le Tour name cast in to them.

AGE / VALUE:   What year is this Atala? posted by: Harris on 11/15/2002 at 12:22:05 AM
Bought an Atala today. I know they arent the most exiting Marque but this one caught my interest as its probably early 60s? Copper collered paint. Campy Grand Sport rear der., Campy front Der, Campy high flange hubs and pedals. Universal Extra brakes front and rear. The interesting thing is the Simplex 45-49 front chainrings with steel cottered marked Atalt crank arms. That makes me think 1950s? I'll email picture upon request. Debating selling on ebay. More $s in the whole or the parts?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What year is this Atala? posted by Walter on 11/15/2002 at 2:33:08 AM
If the bike is of the vintage you're guessing (a question I cannot answer) I'd think the bike is more valuable complete and original. My heart would cringe at parting it out regardless but from what I've seen of the market complete bike draws more anyways.

      What year is this Atala? posted by John E on 11/15/2002 at 10:00:28 PM
I would guess mid-to-late 1950s or very early 1960s. Yes, keep it together! My 1959 Capo would be pretty comparable; original equipment = Campag. high-flange hubs, Campag. GranSport deraillerus, Weinmann centerpulls, Agrati steel crankset, options of 52-48 and 52-46 steel chainrings, Agrati steel quill pedals. By the mid 1960s, most high-end bikes were shipped with Stronglight, TA, or Campag. aluminum cranks, instead of cottered steel.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What year is this Atala? posted by Harris on 11/17/2002 at 3:48:15 AM
The serial # is 60F5689. Would it be too obvious to assume it's a 1960? I emailed the company and am curious if they reply.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What year is this Atala? posted by Oscar on 11/17/2002 at 6:59:11 PM
I have an Atala Gran Prix whose serial number begins with 74. The components seem to be consistent with 1974 stuff.

AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by: Humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/14/2002 at 9:27:44 PM
I leaned down and took a good long look at the bike.It was not anything to get excited about. But that rear rim, That was special! I have seen those on e- bay and they go quite high!
Weinmann alloy 27 X 1 1/4 dimpled rim! Early Weinmann! I bought the bike for $5.00 and today it polished up into a jewel! Amazed!
As I drove home and again today I moan "Oh, only one, not a pair!" I had asked "Where is the other matching rim?"
With all my hunting, Why have I not seen more of these? I want to lace in an alloy Sturmey Archer hub but because it is only one orphan rim It'll have to wait.
Pal said " Ah yes Chris, those are nice rims."
I'll go to all my haunts and do another comb over search for these rims but you know what? I doubt I'll find any like this. Thats another thing! I have a lot of wheels and rims that are just to strange to me and so they get brought home.
Always sitting and asking "What is this to?" as they look it over and they shake their heads and ask where in the heck did I un- earth this? Then I hear that it's valuable and rare and I hear the whole spiel. I will have to document all this and photograph the rims and do write ups. All the diffrent styles and makes and ages of bicycle rims! Sheesh!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Mike Slater on 11/14/2002 at 11:13:27 PM
Are you referring to the Weinmann concave rims with eyelets?? The ones where the top is dished rather than rounded?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Chris on 11/15/2002 at 2:08:01 AM
Yes. I am.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Wings on 11/15/2002 at 8:38:23 AM
Do you have a front or rear?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Ray on 11/15/2002 at 4:18:14 PM
I believe I have a pair of these but I am open more to trades than into the cash. I have parts I need for other bike projects so let me know if you have stuff to trade. I am looking for Bell wing nuts, old French rear tail lights and dynos, any old unusual drive trains, old alloy stronglight cranks .165 long with oval logo. Tell me what you got.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 4:53:28 PM
I've used two sets of wheel with Weinmann Concave rims -- one with and one without eyelets (the eyeletted set was sold on my Paramount, which I dearly miss -- don't ever sell bikes you love!). I actually favor the eyelet-less ones, however, because the eyelets on the other set were NOT stainless, and, given the concave shape, water collected in the eyelets any time I rode it in the rain or snow or on very wet roads. This happened the last time I rode my Dawes fixie to work -- wet path, water and mud collected in the concave surface of the rims -- so always wipe them off if you ride in wet weather.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Chris on 11/15/2002 at 5:25:12 PM

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/15/2002 at 5:29:08 PM
With an alloy rim, I don't see why you would be worried about water collecting in there.Unless it's because of the spoke nipples rusting?Ok.I see.
Well, what can be put on the spoke nipples to keep it from rusting.
This rim is not something I would subject to rain/mud or snow anyways.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 6:27:45 PM
The eyelets on the ones I had were not stainless steel. I suppose you could paint each eyelet with some sort of clearcoat, or simply spray them with Boeshield before building the wheels. I use Phil's Tenacious on eyelets when I build to help prevent and get rid of any spoke windup -- it might also help to protect them. I've heard that linseed works well too and as a spoke prep, since it eventually solidifies. The observation about the concaves is from not only personal experience -- an old time rider who's been doing Brevets since the 50s told me about this common problem too.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Weinmann dimpled alloy rim 27 X 1 1/4 posted by Chris on 11/16/2002 at 10:08:11 PM
Thanks for the information. I was told these were fairly strong rims. He grinned and told me that so and so would love to get it as he loves those rims, he's wild about them.
He's obviously not alone out there in bike land

   RE:AGE / VALUE: I want more of these! WOO-HOO!AWESOME posted by Mike P on 11/17/2002 at 4:33:02 AM
Came across this thread and remembered something I've been meaning to ask. There is this white Peugeot tourer sitting in a local guy's backyard, but since I have too many projects, no experience with French bikes, etc etc, there it still sits. The rear rim is covered with 'dimples' all over the sides, while the front rim has a pattern that I would describe as 'wavy bricks'. Pardon the ignorance, but is there a Peugeot reference source online? It's a pretty bike, probably nothing special, but I hate to see it sitting out in the elements.

AGE / VALUE:   SCORE!!! posted by: Richard on 11/14/2002 at 8:59:14 PM
Won an ebay auction on a 62cm Nishiki custom sport for $1.99. It was listed and described as a frame/fork and some parts, But it is a complete bike w/dia-comp brakes/levers, suntour shifters/derailleurs, and a 52/39 sugino crank. They even gave me two extra front and one extra rear wheels plus 5 usable tires, a scissors jack, and a set of tire chains. Stoked!!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE!!! posted by Oscar on 11/15/2002 at 12:32:37 AM
Change from a Jefferson?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCORE!!! posted by David on 11/15/2002 at 1:29:34 AM
I'm sure the seller was glad to get rid of it at little cost to someone who wanted it!

AGE / VALUE:   Casati posted by: kevin on 11/14/2002 at 5:11:25 AM

I just acquired a Casati track bike, but dont know much of their history. This one is reportedly from the late 70s or early 80s. Any info on Casati is greatly appreciated!


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need a Gitane expert! posted by: Tom Furtado on 11/14/2002 at 1:29:33 AM
Here's hoping someone out there can help...

I have a Gitane Olympic Record II. Purchased new in 1978 for $180. S/N IY14886N. Sun Tour derailleurs, Sugino cranks, Dia-compe center pulls. Very nice looking lugs. No label on frame matl except "Gitane Tubes Super Legers". It was a very stable, nice ride. I now have a Bianchi Eros and ride it only occasionally. I'd like anyone's input on the bike's pedigree, especially the frame matl. As I recall, it was one level down from their top model in 1978. I really like this bike, any info you can provide is really appreciated!


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need a Gitane expert! posted by Patrick Lavery on 11/14/2002 at 1:49:43 AM
The French translation is "super light tubing"
I have a Gitane Gypsy Sport from about the same time period
thats marked "Tubes Legeres" (light tubing) So whatever
your frame material is, I guess it's a grade higher than
what was used on my bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need a Gitane expert! posted by Patrick Lavery on 11/14/2002 at 1:50:45 AM
The French translation is "super light tubing"
I have a Gitane Gypsy Sport from about the same time period
thats marked "Tubes Legeres" (light tubing) So whatever
your frame material is, I guess it's a grade higher than
what was used on my bike.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need a Gitane expert! posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 4:58:25 PM
As I recall "Gitane" means Gypsy. The company has been around fopr quite some time, and their models roughly paralleled those from Peugeot. Jaques Ancquitil (sp?) rode a Gitane during his later racing years, and Greg LeMond rode one at one point too. A respected name, on par with Peugeot and Motobecane, but not highly sought after. My first real road bike (after a Varsity) was a Gitane Interclub when I was 12-13 years old in 1970-71.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need a Gitane expert! posted by Keith on 11/15/2002 at 5:02:03 PM
P.S. http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Gitane.htm

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need a Gitane expert! posted by Patrick Lavery on 11/17/2002 at 3:57:28 AM
I forgot to mention that Gitane is now part of the same
conglomerate that makes Bianchi and Peugeot. There is a Gitane website (In French) that gives some of their history
and current model line up. Their email address is gitane@cycleurope.fr They haven't answered any of my inquiries but you might have better luck (especially if you're fluent in French)