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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by: Brian L. on 12/1/2002 at 8:07:24 PM
I would be interested in any knowledgable discussion of Simplex's plastic-bodied Delrin Prestige derailleurs. Was plastic viewed as technologically advanced at the time? If so, why didn't other manufacturer's jump on the bandwagon? Was it a marketing gambit, or just a cheap way to produce derailleur bodies?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Skip Echert on 12/2/2002 at 12:06:17 AM
Hello Brian -
The Delrin proved to be failure prone and flexible. Additionally, these derailleurs came out at a time when "cheap plastic" was a common name for most plastic parts, so their perceived value was low. (Perhaps "cheap plastic" was first applied to these derailleurs? ;-)
A few are still working, but most are not.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Brian L. on 12/2/2002 at 12:46:56 AM
I've played around w/ a few Prestige set ups. I was more interested in the thought process. I'm not really aware of any other manufacturer doing derailleurs in plastic in any sort of volume.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Bryant on 12/2/2002 at 12:19:22 PM
Interesting you should bring up the Simplex Prestige derailleur. Just this weekend I was fixing up a Ladies Gitane and as I was tightening down the front derailleur, I heard a snap. The plastic part of the mounting bracket broke, rendering the derailleur useless. I replaced it with a Suntour I had laying around. Anyone want Simplex Prestige front derailleur parts, I'll give them to you for the postage

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Ed on 12/2/2002 at 2:56:08 PM
Bryant describes a common problem with these derailleurs. I know an experienced mechanic at our lbs that won't touch one without warning the customer of the possibility of the plastic cracking at the time of removal or re-installation.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Keith on 12/2/2002 at 5:11:04 PM
I concur with the above. I've used them and found them to work fairly well when new. At some point they simply wear out or become brittle and break (sunlight and elements seem to help along the latter result -- they get a grey oxidized look). The Dancing Chain shows the all-aluminum paralllogram Simplex derailleur from which the Presige directly evolved. Too bad they didn't stick with Alu. I'm looking at one right now -- a '72, and I'm comparing it to a '72 Campy Nouvo Record. Guess what? The geometry is virtually identical! (size of parallelogram, distance between pivits, size and position of cage.)

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Rob on 12/2/2002 at 6:29:27 PM
I have seem to have a number of them, some still original on old Peugeot UO/E-8's, and some just collected along the way. I still frequently see them them around, mostly on old cottered crank bikes that likely haven't been used for a long time.

The ones I have still seem to work though I certainly prefer Suntour and certain of the old Shimanos. The only significant problem I have had was with a hexhead adjusting bolt on a front derailleur (some have a hexhead others a slotted head)...a very slight...and I mean "very slight"... turn twisted the head clean off... I've also noticed the jockey/idler wheels a very commonly are cracked or have teeth missing...I have a near pristine Criterium with cracks in both wheels...and unfortunately the wheels on the Criterium have a slightly different configuration than on the Prestige...I haven't found replacements yet.

I should add I live in Vancouver which isn't known for its sunshine...maybe UV has something to do with the Prestige problem...maybe Vancouver is a kind of 'Delrin heaven'!!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by About a month ago I was messing with one on 12/2/2002 at 10:35:08 PM
About a week ago, while trying to shift the derrailleur decided to snap. I have since replaced it with an old campagnolo front deraileur. They are prone to failure, but are an interesting desighn. I wonder if simplex realized that they would fail, because there is a little pin you can remove so you can remove the hanger and replace it.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Simplex Delrin Plastic Body Derailleurs posted by Chris on 12/3/2002 at 1:36:02 AM
The one to look out for is the Juy Simplex 543 derailer. These have an alloy cover and can be set to whatever you want. These fetch hundreds of dollars. The other Simplex you mention, require work to get 10.00 for. Yes, I save them because in twenty years they may be worth 15.00 each.
Little screws or pulley wheels, small parts.

You all already knew what I just said. I know.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by: Fred on 12/1/2002 at 7:43:04 PM
Can anyone here furnish any information on the Prologue model Schwinn. Unfortunately I had only a few minutes to inspect the bike and talk to the owner so I only know that it appeared to be in good condition except for the tires tires. Where does this model fit in the lineup and is it anything worth paying $100 to $150 for?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by Kevin K on 12/1/2002 at 9:29:09 PM
Hi Fred. I'd spend a little bit more time looking the bike over. Get some info on the equiptment brands and post them. It sounds like it's a late 80's or 90's bike. Also look for the decal that tells what the frame material is made of. Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by Kevin K on 12/1/2002 at 9:29:46 PM
Hi Fred. I'd spend a little bit more time looking the bike over. Get some info on the equiptment brands and post them. It sounds like it's a late 80's or 90's bike. Also look for the decal that tells what the frame material is made of. Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by Ed on 12/2/2002 at 3:09:56 PM
It's true,some bikes are better than others,but I don't think that Schwinn ever produced a ( BAD ) frame.
Just my .02 cents.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by Kevin K on 12/2/2002 at 4:59:44 PM
I suggested caution as I just bought an NOS Schwinn Voyageur 11.8. I saw paint chips on the fork but never saw it was slightly bent. To correctly repair / rechrome / repaint the fork will cost almost as much as I paid for the bike. It's all a learning experience. Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by Keith on 12/2/2002 at 5:18:04 PM
Schwinn produced frames in the mid or late 80s that were known to have bottom bracket shells that would crack. I've read it, I believe several years ago in this discussion group, and I've owned one that had the crack (an '85 or so Columbus Tenax tubing Super Sport). I also have a local friend whose 90s Schwinn Prelude or Super Sport cracked. Everyone makes mistakes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Prologue posted by Eric Amlie on 12/3/2002 at 9:24:02 PM
I found the Prologue in the '88 & '89 catalogs. The '88 catalog says it debuted in '87 but it's not in the '87 catalog. It's a little hard to tell from the way the catalogs are laid out but my interpretation is that is was a high level bike positioned just under the Paramounts. There was also a Prologue TT (time trial) that used a smaller 24" front wheel. The catalogs only spec the frames, no equipment so they may have only been sold as bare frames from Schwinn. '89 catalog calls it a compliment to the Paramount line and says they were hand brazed. I'd say if you can get one of these in decent shape for the money you mentioned it would be quite a deal.

AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh Grand Prix posted by: Harry on 11/30/2002 at 7:38:19 PM
Hi everybody, I have a Raliegh Grand Prix I would like to know the value of. It is a 27" bike, with simplex prestige derailleurs. The bike also has mailard hubs, with quick release skewers. The bikes chrome is excellent with very little pitting, however the bike has numerous scratches and paint chips from bike racks. Any help would be greatly aprreciated, thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh Grand Prix posted by From the hip on 12/1/2002 at 12:15:07 AM
The Grand Prix is at the lower end of Raleigh 10-speeds. Like with lots of good bikes, it's a smooth comfortable ride, but it isn't adored by collectors. I'd say if you can sell if for $50 in the paper or garage sale, you'd do will. This is probably one of those "worth more to you than to the buyer" situations.

This might not be totally accurate, but it's from the hip.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh Grand Prix posted by Gralyn on 12/1/2002 at 1:30:05 AM
Yes, the Grand Prix is not the bottom...like a "Record" but it is still fairly low-end - and not of much value. It doesn't have any collectibility, isn't being sought-out, or desired. I've only come across one in 'real life' and the guy at the LBS wanted $70 for it. I offered him $50 - but he wouldn't take it....but that was back when I knew very little about any of these bikes. Today - I would possibly pay up to $30 for one....depending on condition and components.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh Grand Prix posted by Harry on 12/1/2002 at 1:39:25 AM
Thanks for your input everybody, I kinda figured it would'nt be worth a lot, but I payed 5 for it, so I can't

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh Grand Prix posted by ebayers anonymous on 12/1/2002 at 9:44:53 PM
Now, wait there Kemosabe, I got a case of Bike Lust, and it didn't stop until, I went out, and made an actual purchase of a total "Vintage" Raleigh...

How about right here, a brand new Grand Prix? Huh? "http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=1973665016&rd=1", at times, even on some of the worn and used ones, parts, can be outsourced, making a pleasant venture. Quite a few "Prixs" have been on the Ebay site lately, making me wonder. Do sellers watch to see what sells and then market there product? Seemed there might be another one, a frame up for sale right now to.

   Pretty bike posted by Walter on 12/2/2002 at 2:15:17 AM
Congrats on the buy. I've seen a few nos Raleighs of that vintage on eBay from time to time as well asa few other makes.

Always tempting to get a vintage roadies still in its box. Like the guy says it's like a time machine.

AGE / VALUE:   Colnago value/Identification posted by: Dean Jorritsma on 11/30/2002 at 3:03:26 PM
Hi, today I bought a colnago ith campy chorus/athena on it , it has a checkered grey into black paintjob , can anyone tell me what type of colnago this is and its value? apparently it is circa 1990 , the frame is steel with columbus tubing, chrome forks, ttt headstem and bars, it also has campy omega wheelset .

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Colnago value/Identification posted by Darryl on 12/1/2002 at 12:38:17 AM
To be specific I would need to know how many speed,clincher wheels or tubular,down-tube shifters or not, etc. But looks like a 14 speed lightweight Italian road bike with clincher wheels and down-tube shifters. Depending on condition I would estimate its value to be $200 - $500. This type of bike would have some value to collectors of Campy equipped Italian bikes. How much did you pay for it and is it for sale? Sounds like you have a mid-range Colnago.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Colnago value/Identification posted by dean jorritsma on 12/1/2002 at 12:53:02 AM
Hi thanks for your reply , I bought this bike for 175 dollars, and it is in near perfect condition, I checked on the web site and from what I can tell it appears to be a "Master", the wheels are clincher campagnolo omega 19s
the group set is excellent, but unfortunately it is not for sale I wish to keep it as it is such a nice bike.oh yea it is a 14 speed.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Colnago value/Identification posted by Darryl on 12/1/2002 at 1:55:21 AM
Good find at an excellent price. If in near perfect condition bike could bring $500 - $700. Great Bike, you will love the way it rides. Nothing like a good quality steel Italian bike.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Colnago value/Identification posted by Darryl on 12/1/2002 at 1:57:20 AM
Good find at an excellent price. If in near perfect condition bike could bring $500 - $700. Great Bike, you will love the way it rides. Nothing like a good quality steel Italian bike.

AGE / VALUE:   NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE posted by: Kevin K on 11/30/2002 at 11:57:51 AM
Hi. I bid on a set of IRC Road Winner 27x1 1/8 tires on ebay. I contacted the seller about shipping them flat. They tell me these tires can be folded in such a manner they will not be damaged. In the past I've always sent and recieved tires shipped flat. Will these tires ship ok folded or should I tell the seller we need to look for a proper box. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE posted by David on 11/30/2002 at 1:44:32 PM
I've bought mail order tires several times and carried some 28" roadster tires home from Texas on the plane. The tires were folded once (in all cases) and never had noticeable problems.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE posted by Steven on 11/30/2002 at 6:32:57 PM
To ship them safely, you must fold them twice. If you simply make a figure 8 and fold once only, the bead can be damaged, especially on narrow tires. If you fold them twice, you don't run this risk. Easier shown than expalained

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE posted by Kevin K on 11/30/2002 at 7:53:28 PM
Hi. I'm watching, show me please. So ok do you do the fiquire 8 and fold twice, or simply fold twice. I located a box today. I really don't want to have to send a box to the seller to make sure the tires aren't damaged in shipping, but if i have to then I will. The seller says they will be fine the manner he's shipping them. $30 in a ruined set of nice tires, I don't think so. So tell me more please. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE posted by Keith on 12/2/2002 at 5:25:52 PM
Whenever I receive wire bead tires from a catelog they are folded as described by Steven, and I've never had a problem. I've seen fully loaded touring bikes with an extra tire strapped on in this fashion. I've carried them home fromn a LBS "Coppi" style (figure 8 around shoulders), with no problem whatsoever.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Mystery Bike posted by: Dean Jorritsma on 11/30/2002 at 5:43:31 AM
Hi ,I just aquired an interesting steel frame that has been painted it has gipiemme dropouts and very few other identifing marks on the fork it has the numbers 5035 stamped on it , can anyone help????

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: dafydd on 11/29/2002 at 7:26:31 PM
Does anyone know how, or know of instructions, to properly lace a crow's foot pattern?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Gray Poupon on 11/29/2002 at 9:57:29 PM
But of course.


MISC:   Technical Question, Thumb Shifter - Suntour posted by: Richard on 11/29/2002 at 6:32:09 PM

The SunTour Mighty Thumb Shifter, works well when it is functioning, but the "clicking" little piece on the inside, somehow broke out? What does one do to fix this little piece?

   RE:MISC:   Technical Question, Thumb Shifter - Suntour posted by Keith on 12/3/2002 at 3:47:54 PM
You could try loosescrews.com, but if I were you I'd go to rivendellbicycles.com and buy the made-in-Taiwan knock-off thumb shifters they sell for $12 a pair. Good luck!

MISC:   Technical Question, Jockey Wheels posted by: Richard on 11/29/2002 at 6:32:09 PM
I have an older, Simplex Rear derailleur. I know, Jockey Wheels, come in different sizes somewhat; but does it make that big of a difference, in gearing? Are they a problem to replace?

     Technical Question, Jockey Wheels posted by John E on 11/29/2002 at 7:10:23 PM
For a friction-shift system, you can use almost any jockey wheel, subject only to clearance with the largest cog. I would select the largest wheel compatible with my setup, because it would last slightly longer and provide slightly more accurate shifting than a smaller one.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Colnago Arabesque w/ Campy 50th Anniversary gruppo posted by: Walter on 11/29/2002 at 1:45:27 PM

Pretty, very pretty.

One of the few I've seen that really makes me think about stopping by the bank but something tells me the reserve is sky-high.

AGE / VALUE:   Al Ray or Alray Co. Ideal bicycles posted by: Chad Larimore on 11/29/2002 at 12:30:57 AM
I would appreciate any and all info on an antique bike. It has a badge on the front of the frame that says "IDEAL" in the middle with "AL.RAY Co." on top and "Louisville, Ky. on the bottom. I have been told that it should have wood rims and it looks almost identical to a 1910 Rambler racing bicycle that I once looked at in an antique store. Where do I get the rims and what is age and value of bike?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Al Ray or Alray Co. Ideal bicycles posted by Walter on 11/29/2002 at 1:51:34 PM
Wood rims are available though the ones that pop up on eBay are usually 700C for old track racers. There're a few makers of wood rims around the net. I don't know ites but if you search rchives I believe this has been posted on in the past.

AGE / VALUE:   NEW SCHWINN BIKE BOOK posted by: Kevin K on 11/28/2002 at 3:11:09 PM
Hi all. Picked up a new release at the library yesterday simply called " Schwinn ". Written by Lou Dzierzak. Nice book full of great photos inc. several lightweights. Of interest to me was the history of the Letour. The book clearly states the first Letours were built in Japan to meet increased product needs. However Schwinn introduced in September 1978 that the Letour IV would be built in Chicago in an attempt to stop the flow of product being built out of country. A strike soon after moved Letour production to Greenville, Miss. Build and quality problems led to the closing of the Greenville plant in 1991. So some of the questions are cleared up hopefully on where the Letour was built. The book took a couple hours to read and study photos. By the end I was feeling a bit guilty for stripping and junking any USA built Schwinn bike. It really is sort of a personal look at not just a bike company, but a family owned business that had heart and soul. Something I think clearly missing in todays bikes. Enjoy Thanksgiving Day. Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NEW SCHWINN BIKE BOOK posted by Kevin K on 11/28/2002 at 10:31:33 PM
Hi. I need to speak with those of you that have seen or have knowledge of early Continentals. Probally built late 40's to early 50's from information recieved. The bike has a 3 piece cottered crankset, single chainring bolted onto the crank arm with 3 bolts. On the bottom bracket housing is a spout of sorts for adding oil. The Continental decals on the frame run vertical on the seat tube in what is left of a very nice looking scroll decal. Color was maroon. Now this bike is way too far gone to simply clean up and replace missing parts. However I do think it would look pretty cool as some sort of racer style bike, say a 3 speed fenderless with drop style bars. One thing of interest at least to me: the bike has a round decal on the frame like those found on the hand brazed Super Sports. It says" Genuine Seamless Steel Tubing " with large AS lettering in the center. It is also completely hand brazed. The fork is unlike any I've ever seen. So if you can please tell me a bit of what these bikes should look like. Thanks, Kevin

    I COULD HAVE DONE THAT! SHEESH! posted by Chris on 11/30/2002 at 5:06:32 PM
Yes, I was glad to see it too. Pictures
and some minimal text. I jumped on it because it was new and as I leafed through it I felt betrayed and let down!
This book really hurt to see because it is a sorry attempt at a bicycle book.
Nothing was in order, a bare amount of text, the author just took pictures and slaped together a book to make money.
I could do a better book than that! Really. This bothers me to see. All the involvement I have had with bikes, all the people and time and this fellow comes along and get this printed? There is nothing to it! Yes, go buy it, for heavens sake! Look at the pictures and continue to be ignorant on the subject matter. It's not like the author went to any great length to tell us something new and prieviously undiscovered. Try to find a copy with an intact paper dust jacket. I was at the ******* museaum and they had this at the book shop there. Ratty paper jackets. If I'm paying full price for a book I want it sold to me in perfect condition.
The subject deserves way, way, better treatment.
Once again the burning desire and patience is missing from the effort. Im really good and annoyed with the bicycle books with exception of Frank Berto's Dancing Chain.
That was excellent and I bought 7 copies of that. A few other books are good. The rest? Just pretty picture books that leave me hungry for information afterwards. Pretty books that tease but offer no substance or fulfillment are annoying. Go out there learn for yourself, get dirty, make mistakes and search and search because so far no book is going to match that experience for you.
Really, Im not kidding here! I could do a better book than that and when it comes down to it, there are people in this buisness or in this hobby that could squash me like a little bug. Really sharp, experienced, wealthy, connected, folks with collections and knowledge that could make my work look insignificant. Im going to make calls and if I can't get somebody really sharp interested in a decent bicycle book project than I'll go ahead myself. What is already out there, is really sorry! I'm going to carry this book, and plop it down on the tables of sharp people and beg them to really produce a real bicycle book and so this 1/5000th attempt will be pushed aside where it belongs.

   RE: I COULD HAVE DONE THAT! SHEESH! posted by Steven on 11/30/2002 at 7:06:42 PM
Chris, I agree that most bicycle books are nothing more than coffee table embellishments, but that is however where the market lies. Very few people are interested in the minutiae of vintage bicycle collecting. You mention The Dancing Chain as being a good book; I would agree with you to 50%. The part written by Ron Shepherd is indeed very good, the part by Berto is quite disappointing in my view. What must however be said is that they went out on a limb and had the book published independently, paying out of their own pockets. No sane profit-minded publisher would apparently even approach the book. As things turned out, the book was indeed a success and there is perhaps now grounds for publishers to look on the subject matter with more optimism, but any book will need to be first and foremost a labor of love for the writer.

   RE:RE: I COULD HAVE DONE THAT! SHEESH! posted by Kevin K on 12/1/2002 at 2:31:14 AM
Hi. Ok, you've put me in my place. Yea I realize the book has it's shortcomings but take a look at it once. It's not for the expert collector. It is geared twards the beginner. Me. And others. If one person picks this book up, looks at how cool it might be to start collecting then I'd say it's done a pretty fair job. Also your comment about pretty pictures is true. Eye candy if I must. That's the point. You aren't going to get a beginners interest with type. Pictures will though. One picture of interest is on I believe is on page 64. An Opaque Blue Sprint. Schwinn never built that bike. Oh they made a Sprint like that in 1974 and 1975. But look closer at it. I've got one. Mine sure isn't like that one. Mine has the heavy cast crankset. That one has a nice 3 piece crankset that I believe was offered on the 1973 Sports Tourer. 3 chainrings up front, 5 speed in back. All Sprints I've seen were 10 speeds. Also look at the Schwinn Approved Suntour barend shifters. More so check out the rear derailleur. It's not bolted to a derailleur hanger as all Sprints were. This Sprint's dropout has the derailleur hanger attached to it. So that picture starts the thought. Is this what Schwinn's engineers wanted the bike to look like before the beancounters got ahold of the project. Is this a one off bike someone built afterhours for themselves. Was this possibly a new offering from the handbuild shop as the Super Sport was discontinued after 1973.It's to bad Schwinn never built the Sprint in that form. I'd have more than one. Point is everything has a purpose. As time goes on I'll probally laugh that I was all excited about the book when I saw it. Maybe by then you or someone like you will have really put together a book that a person can stick there nose in for days and not be bored. Until then ANY bike book is a good book as long as it promotes the hobby. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:RE:RE: SHEESH! I COULD HAVE DONE THAT! SHEESH! posted by Chris on 12/1/2002 at 7:58:24 PM
Both Kevin and Steven are correct with what they had to say.
I'm too agrivated to go on writing on this. Whatever.

   RE:RE:RE:RE: SHEESH! I COULD HAVE DONE THAT! SHEESH! posted by Kevin K on 12/1/2002 at 9:48:03 PM
Hi Chris. Your opinion and facts presented were great. I need to learn more about this hobby. I'm at the superficial part of collecting. I'm not down deep into it. I lack basic knowledge on most aspects of bike repairs. But I gotta start somewhere. Point: I'll go to a Corvette show and hear guys talking about the cars. I'll spot mistakes just walking up on the car because I was working on these things when they were new, or just a few years old. It's clear that you know and want more. And that's great. The vintage road bike hobby is in need of guys that really know what they are talking about. I think sometimes that's why I've so many posts on here. I need to know and not too many guys here locally really care. Thanks for the insight, Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NEW SCHWINN BIKE BOOK posted by Keith on 12/2/2002 at 5:46:00 PM
Speaking of good reading material, check this out: www.users.globalnet.co.uk/'hadland/old_derail.htm (the tabula immediately following "uk/" may get lost in the translation here). I concur on Berto's portion of Dancing Chain. His errors and prejudices detracted from otherwise valuable information.

AGE / VALUE:   Masi Gran Corsa find. Worth? posted by: Kevin on 11/27/2002 at 10:54:21 PM
Hi, Today I pick up a super nice all orig, 80s/early 90s Masi Gran Corsa 14 speed bicycle. all Campy record, Columbis frame. Real nice ride. Anyone know anything about these bicycles? it rides great. is it worth anything? is it a Keeper? Please post all replys.

   A keeper w/o doubt posted by Walter on 11/28/2002 at 5:09:06 AM
Masis of that vintage don't hit the cash register as hard as ones from the 1970s but that's still a very high end frameset.

Campy Record speaks for itself.

Maybe not as collectible as 1 20 years older but you'll go a long way and probably still not find a better rider. Nice job!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Masi Gran Corsa find. Worth? posted by josh on 11/28/2002 at 3:41:14 PM
Great find indeed Kevin. I would think that if your find is in real nice orig, cond. It would be worth at least $1000. What good Luck.

AGE / VALUE:   Colnago Du-Al posted by: Dave on 11/27/2002 at 5:25:57 PM
Hi everyone: Does anyone have any knowledge of the Colnago Du-Al frame? I am a challenge to fit and I have come across a custom bult Colnago Du-Al that matches the geometry I need. Any thoughts on how I can get more information is welcomed. Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Colnago Du-Al posted by John E on 11/27/2002 at 10:21:11 PM
From classicrendezvous.com:

"The Colnago DUALL Ergal, i.e., Aluminum
alloy , dual downtube model. These bikes
(as were the early carbon models) were
made by ALAN to Colnago's specs...Not just a
rebadged ALAN though, these bikes had many unique
details especially an aluminum version of the
"anti-vibration" fork."

Sounds pretty good to me ...

AGE / VALUE:   Serial Numbes posted by: Jeff on 11/27/2002 at 5:09:17 PM
While sanding the bottom bracket on my Supercourse I uncovered a set of numbers. "4 05261" can anyone help me interpet the year from that. The only source I know of for serial numbers is on this board, but this does'nt appear to match at all. As I start putting it back to original I would like to keep the parts from the era.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Serial Numbes posted by Lenny on 11/27/2002 at 6:01:38 PM
Hi Jeff,

If you list what components were on the bike (assuming you have more than just the frame and that the components are original), it's possible to estimate within a couple of years when the bike was built. I'm sure some folks reading these posts can give you an opinion (I might even be able to offer one myself).

If you just have the frame, it might be possible to estimate the year from the geometry and the wheelbase.