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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

WANTED:   Frame for trade posted by: Keith on 12/30/2002 at 7:47:38 PM
It's really a tad too big for me, so it's up for trade. 1980s vintage Schwinn Super Sport, 61cm c-t. Columbus Tenax tubing, nice cast lugs, short adjustable horizontal dropouts. No dents, no signs of stress or cracks, appears to be perfectly straight. Paint color is a sickly pink -- sorry about that. Condition is very good to excellent -- has some nicks and scratches but original paint and decals are largely intact. A few specs of surface rust on top tube cable guide brazeons. This is a road frame made for 700c wheels with fairly tight clearance -- no brazons for fenders. The bike was originally equiped with Shimano 600, so this was an upper-mid-range bike. Frame only -- no fork, headset, or bb. I'd like to trade for something 58-59cm c-t, ESPECIALLY something with cantilever brake brazeons. Thanks!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Jaguar 3-Speed posted by: Dave on 12/30/2002 at 3:37:55 PM
Hi guys,I have a question.A older gent in our Bike Club named John rides a 3-speed "Jaguar" bike he found in an alley as a Winter bike.I resembles a Raleigh but has a Shimano hub not Sturmey Archer and I was wondering where the Bike was made?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Jaguar 3-Speed posted by Oscar on 12/31/2002 at 3:21:38 AM
I come across one a few years ago. I pondered over the same question. Shimano three-speeds were common among lower-end American and Japanese bikes in the early 70's. This one didn't look American - it had a funny radiant-mustard color to it. It looked German or eastern European to me.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Jaguar 3-Speed posted by Chris on 1/6/2003 at 8:14:12 PM
I think I had a Jaguar 3-speed as a child, with metallic yellow-gold paint. This was new around 1975-77? May have been made in Italy. Remember the mechanicals fell apart quickly, not sure if this was due to poor assembly, neglect, or junky components. After the caliper brakes were removed or fell off, took it down a steep hill with BMX jump at the bottom, and went flying...bike landed on top of me.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Jaguar 3-Speed posted by Dave on 1/8/2003 at 7:11:38 PM
Thanks for the input.John got a chuckle out of the color description as "Radiant Mustard",which is what color his is also.It is his winter riding machine, and you can hear the alloy fenders rattle when he rides it.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early Gitan (not Gitane) with Cambio Corsa posted by: Walter on 12/30/2002 at 2:11:52 PM
With the indulgence of Vin M. I'm posting a URL to another forum where a truly vintage racer is being discussed. I think it's worth checking out.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Early Gitan (not Gitane) with Cambio Corsa posted by Walter on 12/30/2002 at 2:17:19 PM
My URL is not perfect. It takes you to my post not the original one. All you need to do is scroll up to find the post with pictures.

WANTED:service info for Campagnolo SGR/C Record pedals posted by: wayne on 12/29/2002 at 8:30:15 AM
Hi all, can anyone please help me with service info on Campagnolo SGR/C Reord pedals, I have a pair that I am replacing the bearings in,
will pay if required....regards wayne.......

   RE:WANTED:service info for Campagnolo SGR/C Record pedals posted by Walter on 12/30/2002 at 2:22:09 PM
I too have a pair, sitting on an otherwise S. Record Basso. Bought them NOS awhile back and they have only a few miles on them b/c frankly I much prefer Looks (heresy, I know). If you have no luck finding service contact me and maybe we can work a swap. I still have the box and the cleats have very minimal use as well.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:1972 Raleigh Super Course posted by: Don S. on 12/28/2002 at 10:38:19 AM
Bought this bike recently and found out the Normandy Competition hubs (which I assume are original equipment) are French thread. Front spacing is 95mm, which I understand was another quirk of French bikes. Just wondering if many Raleighs came kitted out this way...seems strange for a British bike. Or perhaps they ran out of English threaded hubs?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:1972 Raleigh Super Course posted by dafydd on 12/28/2002 at 8:54:26 PM
Most forks on Raleigh three-speeds are spaced similarly. Maybe they kept it the same for the Super Course, since it's the lower-end racing model? Or maybe for simplicity's sake (ie, no need to respace hubs from an outside source)?

AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Olympic posted by: Gralyn on 12/28/2002 at 12:42:59 AM
Months ago I picked up a silver Nishiki Olympic. It was pretty old...chrome rims, high flange hubs, cottered steel cranks, skip-tooth 1st and 2nd gears. Well, as it was pretty rusted component-wise, and the paint wasn't good...I stripped it, painted it and converted it to fixed-gear. Well, today, at the same store - I spotted it's sister. By that I mean it was a ladies model. It was identical to mine - except that it was a ladies. Component-wise, and all-around, it was in much better condition. However, it was triple what I had paid for mine. I just thought it was interesting that it turned up there....perhaps at one time someone had them as his/hers bikes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Olympic posted by Lincoln on 12/28/2002 at 4:11:49 AM
What's the purpose of those high flange hubs? I have a few but for some reason they look really old (i.e. out of fashion) to me. Seems like a lot of extra metal. I could see a big flange for the rear hub or for a generator hub.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Olympic posted by Walter on 12/28/2002 at 6:27:51 AM
Some believed that they made a stronger wheel as the spokes would be marginally shorter. Also if your rear cog, assuming a single speed such as a velo racer, is small it's possible to replace a spoke w/o pulling the cog off.

I find polished h/f hubs aesthetically attractive but that, of course, is personal taste.

   Nishiki Olympic posted by John E on 12/29/2002 at 1:47:28 AM
The other alleged benefit of a high-flange hub is that the spokes in a 4-cross pattern are nearly tangent to the hub flange, which reduces the chances of flange failure, particularly on a rear wheel. (Sorry, fans of radial spokes -- I still think this is a significant argument against them.) In practice, I have never noticed any significant performance or reliability difference between high and low flange hubs, although I do plan eventually to put period-correct high-flange hubs on the Capo.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki Olympic posted by Keith on 12/30/2002 at 3:32:55 PM
Re radial -- new Campy hubs come with a seperate paper warning the consumer not to build them with radial spokes. It's considered an abuse of the product and voids the warranty. I have a few radial wheels -- one I built with bladed spokes and two pre-built. Some say they ride harsher -- I don't detect that -- that's more a function of rim profile, and tire pressure and width.

As I recall, large flange was thought to make a stiffer wheel, and small flange was thought to provide a more comfortable ride as the longer spokes could more easily stretch. I switch back and forth from small to large flange among various bikes and wheels, and like John, I fail to detect a difference.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Geometry posted by: Gralyn on 12/27/2002 at 8:42:21 PM
Over the years I have understood that there are different types of lightweight bicycles: There's touring, racing or road racing, track racing, and sports touring.
I tend to think that the more 'racing' types had shorter wheel bases, and everything was more squeezed-in tight underneath the rider...making a bumpier ride but maybe quicker responsiveness.

Are there other notable differences in frame geometry? Like maybe the angle of the head tube? I would think it would be more toward the vertical on a racing bike...and a more relaxed angle on a touring bike. But I don't know...I'm guessing. But anyway....what I'm wondering is.....why don't I see any of these different geometries....of all the old bikes I spot...I haven't really noticed any frame geometry differences.
The only differences I noticed of all my bikes...an older Lotus...seems to have a shorter wheelbase...and a newer Lotus...which has a shorter wheelbase....but the newer on seems to pick it up from the front and the fork....and the older one seems to pick it up between the rear wheel and the seat tube.
Maybe I should like to have a "touring" bike...and a "racing" bike...to compare and display the differences?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Geometry posted by Richard on 12/28/2002 at 5:59:26 PM
The 1975 Motobecane Mirages I have had were very different in frame geometry. The 62cm has a top tube length of 59cm with a head tube angle of 75 deg.. The 52cm has a top tube length of 56cm with a head tube angle of 73.5 deg.. The wheel base was the same on both of these bikes (axle to axle). The stays may have veried in length too, though I never checked.

     Geometry posted by John E on 12/29/2002 at 1:41:07 AM
Over the past 50 years, as roads have grown smoother, wheelbases have grown shorter, and frame angles have grown slightly steeper, on both touring and racing bikes. My 1959 Capo "Modell Campagnolo" is typical of a Tour de France / distance racing bike of its day, with 72-degree angles, long stays, and a marked fork rake. As Mike Slater can attest, it provides a VERY comfortable ride on almost any paved road. A touring bike of the same era would be only slightly longer and slacker. My 1982 Bianchi "Tour d'Italia," patterned after Tour de France frames of its day, has 74/73 angles and a 99cm wheelbase. For a sprint, a fast club ride, or a hill climb, I'll take the Bianchi every time, but for a level century or longer ride on a rough road, I still really like the Capo.

In today's market, the difference between touring and racing geometries is far more dramatic than in years past.

   RE:  Geometry posted by Kevin K on 12/29/2002 at 3:44:41 PM
Hi. After reading John E's explaination of frame geometry I fianlly understand. A few years back I purchased a Bianchi" Tour d'Italia" at a garage sale. Really nice, in Celeste. My whole body would hurt after just a 1/2 hard ride. I traded for a Schwinn Letour Luxe. No more sore bod. I didn't realize until I owned that bike that frmae tubing, and geometry from bike to bike made such a difference. Thanks John and Happy New Year. Kevin K

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Geometry posted by Keith on 12/30/2002 at 3:56:51 PM
Geometry has a huge influence on the way a bike rides. Feeling these differences is NOT some esoteric "emperor's new clothes" exercise -- it's really there. Go to the Rivendell site and read about geometry. www.rivendellbicycles.com

Rivendell and others still make true touring bikes with long wheelbases, long chainstays and low bottom brackets. Bikes with these qualities, and built to close tolerences, should have a remarkably stable ride (I've ridden touring bikes but never a Rivendell).

The compromise "sports touring" geometry may be making a comeback -- see, e.g., Rivendell's Ramboulliet. Those of you who, like Kevin, are finding those 80s Schwinn lightweights are enjoying that useful and comfortable design.

Some tout cyclocross bikes as good all-arounders, and this has some merit. However, a genuine cross bikes differs greatly from a true touring bike in terms of clearance, cable routing, brazeons, and especially a significantly higher bottom bracket. With higher bottom brackets they feel quicker and less stable than a touring bike.

Racing bikes are quick, feel fast, but all else being equal will have a harsher ride and require more constant attention to control than touring or sports touring designs. I find that difference becomes significant on longer rides -- if the bike beats you up, and requires more attention to keep riding straight, you feel more fatigue. You can mitigate that harshness somewhat by using wider tires, but the relative twitchiness is built in.

I have a couple of old English roadsters which represent the kind of geometry that was used even for racing bikes until at least the 1920s (go look at old TDF photos and notice the wide sewup tires and huge clearances). Extreme by today's standards, they have 46" wheelbases, and 67 degree seat and head tubes. With 28" wheels you can ride off-road and hardly notice the bumps. It's like nothing else.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by: Gralyn on 12/27/2002 at 7:04:29 PM
I spotted a Raleigh Capri today. It didn't look all that impressive to me....but I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the Capri. Where was it in Raleigh's line. I believe the "Record" was the bottom.....so where did the Capri fall? My guess is on above that...or maybe the Capri replaced the Record?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Stacey on 12/27/2002 at 7:57:36 PM
Hi Gralyn, you're right not real impressive out of the box. I have one... black with silver head tube and decals. 501 tubing I believe. Though with some upgrades... alloy wheels, Q/R hubs, shifters & der's all from the spare parts box, it's not a bad bike. It was just above the Record in the line up. I'm happy with mine, but I'm not real concerned with weight or tubing pedigrees. Though it's a far cry from my purloined Technium 440.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Gralyn on 12/27/2002 at 9:05:44 PM
Yes, I am getting better at this....I left it there. It's difficult to not buy up every bike I see. It was about $25. There was a time when I would have just grabbed it. Now, I'm getting better to exercise control and not buy one's I don't think I would really like.
If I see one I really do like...then I may buy it - if the price is reasonable. Or, if I see one with some components, wheels, etc. that I think I would like to have...I will buy one for parts. (Like, I bought a mountain bike for $2 - but all I really wanted off it was the alloy crank set with 3 chainrings - the rest of the bike was pretty much crap). But, so far as that Capri goes....if it stays there a while...and gets marked down enough...I would probably buy it....maybe in the $10 - $15 range.

Thanks for the response.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Stacey on 12/27/2002 at 9:59:16 PM
You're welcome.

At a $10 - $15 price point it's not a bad buy. I paid $7 for mine at a thrift store, spent a couple of days swaping in the good parts. New cables and a chain, I got an OK rider for little money.

Constraint is a good thing, but yes :-) there are those "just gotta buy" momments. Ya' can't beat a $3 alloy triple!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Gralyn on 12/28/2002 at 12:41:26 AM
How many bikes do you have?
I bet I have 30 or so.
I plan to sell or trade over half of them. Some of them, I wouldn't want to sell.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Danny Joe(formally known as Dan) on 12/28/2002 at 12:54:32 AM
Changed my name, when the other Dan would post, I would read it and not remember sending it. On the subject of impulse buying, I starting collecting a year ago and I'm also learning to be selective. I would buy-up any two wheeler, now when I go searching I find alot of junk that I already have. So I leave it, and look for other reason's to buy. This time it was a 24in. 5-speed girl's bike, only a couple of year's old and a SCHWINN. I'll try to resale it or trade it, or I might take that '50-'60 24in. boy's Western Flyer and do a part's update, hmmm!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Stacey on 12/28/2002 at 7:35:58 PM
I only have 3 in my "keeper" stable. My Capri, a cruiser tandem... 7 speeds, 26" alloy wheels, HP tires, linear pull brakes, & generator lighting complete with a "blue-dot" tail light and my 20" kustom trike project. Though at any time I'll have anywhere from 3 - 25 in my fix up and sell livery.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Capri posted by Danny Joe on 12/28/2002 at 11:34:13 PM
I'm around 35 including a handfull of frames only, I verbally sold the previous mentioned girl's Schwinn MTB last night.

AGE / VALUE:re Campagnolo HUB ID wanted posted by: wayne davidson on 12/27/2002 at 3:44:31 AM
Hi all, I have a couple of hubs I just bought and cannot ID them, they are the same style as record hubs from the 80's, they only have campagnolo without the world emblem under the script, but they do have S-U underneath the campagnolo script. They came without q/r and I have taken the locknuts off and no date code on them either, any help would be good. I do have 3 pic available to send if you would like a looksie..regards wayne....

AGE / VALUE:re Campagnolo HUB ID wanted posted by: wayne davidson on 12/27/2002 at 3:44:31 AM
Hi all, I have a couple of hubs I just bought and cannot ID them, they are the same style as record hubs from the 80's, they only have campagnolo without the world emblem under the script, but they do have S-U underneath the campagnolo script. They came without q/r and I have taken the locknuts off and no date code on them either, any help would be good. I do have 3 pic available to send if you would like a looksie..regards wayne....

AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Areo Spoke wheels, check them out! posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/26/2002 at 7:32:45 PM
Aerospoke wheels! Wow! Dead on true and fast! They'll stay true always unless you have a head on crash.
You're missing out on something incredible if you are not riding these!

   Aero Spoke wheels posted by John E on 12/27/2002 at 5:59:41 PM
I need affordable, reliable, repairable, lightweight wheels. I use 32-spoke Campag. Omega rims on the Bianchi, 36 spokes on the mountain and commuting bikes, always in a 3X pattern. I am not convinced that Aerospoke wheels are "something incredible" for the nonracer.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Areo Spoke wheels, check them out! posted by Brian L. on 12/27/2002 at 3:15:41 AM
I don't understand, check them out where? Did you mean to post a link?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Areo Spoke wheels, check them out! posted by chris on 12/29/2002 at 8:50:15 PM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Areo Spoke wheels, check them out! posted by Keith on 12/30/2002 at 4:05:03 PM
Prices are coming down on these pre-built aero wheels. With deep V-section rims they are quite strong vertically (and harsh), but also vulnerable in the sense that if one of those super high tension low-count spokes breaks, you're walking home. I'm with John and overall prefer a good old-fashioned 36 or 32 spoke 3X. Unless you're going above 20mph there really is no reason for the low-spoke-count radials. I would have to say, nonetheless, that I own some and I actually feel a difference on fast, competative club rides (though that could be in my head).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Areo Spoke wheels, check them out! posted by Keith on 12/30/2002 at 4:08:00 PM
Checks THIS out too -- http://home.interlynx.net/'pjdu/ As a local friend of mine says, hooray for sensible wheels.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Areo Spoke wheels, check them out! posted by Keith on 12/30/2002 at 4:13:43 PM
One last word -- the Aerospokes have been around for a long time -- I believe LeMond used them in TTs. They are very strong -- those "spokes" won't break unless you crash really hard -- but also heavy -- much heavier than a conventional road wheel. (A large-ish ultra-cycling friend of mine uses them.)

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rigida Superchromix rims posted by: karl on 12/26/2002 at 1:39:37 AM
Hello all, I recently bought an old Raleigh with a "Rigida Chromage Superchromix" 26x1 3/8, laced into a Sturmey Archer K7 rear hub. Now I know this is not the original rim, I am wondering though how old these rims are and if they are worth anything at all. Thank you

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Rigida Superchromix rims posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/26/2002 at 7:31:50 PM
The K- 7 is an old, old hub!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Rigida Superchromix rims posted by Dennis on 12/28/2002 at 3:37:58 AM
Those Superchromix rims should have a little diamond with a number in it. that is the year they were made. I find them to be very nice rims for bikes with 26x 3/8 wheels. The chrome really holds up to time. As for value, i dont think you can get much for them, because The English three speed restorers like english rims. I have replaced a damage rim on a Raleigh LTD with one even though i had Dunlops because the bike was close to mint and this was the best looking rim i had. I have plenty in the 27 inch size and they are so pretty i cant throw them out, but they are not alloy so i dont use them. For 26x3/8 wheels, the English Roadsters discussion area might be a better place to post.
If they look good and work well then keep them on.

AGE / VALUE:   "Biscayne" bicycle posted by: Jonathan on 12/25/2002 at 8:21:22 AM
Does anyone know the skinny on a bike maker; "Biscayne"? I know they made MTB's in the '80's and the other day I was sure I saw a road bike. My guess is that it is a "branded" bike made by Giant or some other big outfit. Mine is a MTB with welded frame and Campy-style drops...ie. no derailer tab. No amount of searching has brought forth anything about "Biscayne", the bicycle. I was just curious if there is a road bike model(s). Good day, all.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Walter on 12/27/2002 at 5:23:57 PM
That name brings a vague and possibly inaccurate memory to the surface. If I'm right the bikes were marketed by a company oin S. Florida. Miami sits around Biscayne Bay and Biscayne Blvd is one of the better known roads in the area. Also was my hometown for the first 18+ years of my life.

The bikes,if I'm on mark at all, are almost certainly Asian imports. To the best of my knowledge no bikes have ever been constructed for commercial sale in the S. Fla area.

I recall mtn style bikes and cruisers though a roadie wouldn't have been out of the question, esp. during that time period.

Don't take this as Gospel but I'm pretty sure I too have seen a "Biscayne" bike or two.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   free to good home posted by: Brian L. on 12/24/2002 at 8:09:38 PM
Early 80's Fuji Royale II. Dbl-butted Fuji Valite tubing, forged Suntour d.o.s, chrome 1/2-fork and crown, 56 c-t-c square. Includes Fuji-pantographed Suntour alloy VGT rear derailleur + downtube shifters, Tange headset and bb and leftside pantographed Sugino crank (have right, but trashed) and pedals. Antrachcite (sp?) Grey metallic paint is good, but seat tube decal is messed up. Seattle area pick up only. (206) 633-3139. Other miscellaneous bits that I would part with to make a more complete ride.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   free to good home posted by Richard on 12/25/2002 at 12:33:08 AM
I'll take it and give it a loving home...

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   free to good home posted by Brian L. on 12/25/2002 at 1:03:50 AM

AGE / VALUE:   Oscar Egg, Before my time! posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 12/24/2002 at 1:16:39 AM
What happened to the cycles and cycle related items that were left when Oscar Egg passed on. Where are they today? Do we know?
I saw the obituary for Oscar today in my old February, 1961 copy of Cycling and Mopeds.

Part of the neatness of this is finding things that belonged to the famous riders of the past.
a "Yes I have it, Who are you? go away, it's not for sale." type answer would be enough for me. As long as some nitwit who does not know about it doesn't get ahold of it and jump kerbs with it.