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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN VARSITY ON EBAY posted by: Kevin K on 1/21/2002 at 12:24:14 AM
Hi. Item # 1064736026. An early Schwinn Varsity. 3 speed with chain guard, S/N A80657. Looks unusual. Possibly a pre 1960 derailleur bike? Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN VARSITY ON EBAY posted by Kevin K on 1/21/2002 at 12:32:36 AM
Hi. I just checked the S/N chart. It comes back as a 1958 Schwinn. Did Schwinn in fact make the Varsity in 1958? Kevin K

   RE: SCHWINN VARSITY ON EBAY posted by Eric Amlie on 1/21/2002 at 4:24:34 AM
The Varsity dates back to the early fifties but as you can see from this bike the pre 1960 models were not derailleur equipped. They were generally if not always 3 speeds.

   RE:RE: SCHWINN VARSITY ON EBAY posted by Kevin K on 1/21/2002 at 3:24:30 PM
Thanks Eric. I wasn't aware Schwinn built the Varsity before 1960. Now I know. Kevin K

   RE:RE:RE: SCHWINN VARSITY ON EBAY posted by Oscar on 1/22/2002 at 4:14:53 AM
Schwinn recycled names from time to time. I've seen one of those pre-Varsity Varsities from time to time.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SCHWINN VARSITY ON EBAY posted by Robert on 1/22/2002 at 1:48:13 PM
Shifter appears to be Shimano. Assume wheel is also. Looks like someone cobbled this this one together to make a rider.

AGE / VALUE:   Trek Pro Series posted by: Bryant on 1/20/2002 at 10:55:34 PM
Okay, So it probably isn't a "vintage" bike, but I don't know where else to ask. I just picked up a Trek Pro series 12 speed, all Shimano 105 components, Matrix TitanS 700c wheels and a Reynolds 531 Frammeset. The serial number is 0287388 on the bottom bracket. The bike is in great shape but in need of a tune-up. It fits me so it is probably a 23" frame. I would like to know what year it was made. I Plan on fixing it up and taking it on the Cycle Across Maryland this year. Any help is appreciated.
Oh, I paid $15.00 for it at a thrift shop. The bikes are out there!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trek Pro Series posted by Walter on 1/21/2002 at 2:16:11 AM
Nice bike. "Click shifting" is not the hottest topic to be sure but the Reynolds 531 frame qualifies IMO. Steel Treks are (were) fine bikes even if not immensely collectable as of yet. I'd hazard a guess of later 1980s as it's a 12 speed. A regular poster here named Skip Echert (sp?) has a Trek website that may well answer your questions. Unfortunately, after switching ISPs I can't find all my bookmarks. Perhaps he or someone with the URL will wander by soon.

Tremendous deal at 15$. I'm envious as I hardly ever see a bike of any sort in my local thrift stores.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trek Pro Series posted by Skip Echert on 1/21/2002 at 4:53:30 AM
Hello Bryant - Great Score! The Vintage-Trek web site has information about your bike. From your description, I would guess it is a 1987 560 Pro Series. You can compare the graphics and color with the brochures on the site. The timeline may nail it down for you.
(Walter - thanks for the intro.)

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trek Pro Series posted by Bryant on 1/22/2002 at 12:04:17 PM
Thanks for your help. The website had what I needed. I'll send them a picture of the bike after I'm done fixing it up. The people at TREK confirmed your call(they actually answer your e-mail, very friendly too), it is a 1987 series 560. Thanks again.

AGE / VALUE:   Apollo catalog posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 1/20/2002 at 7:31:32 PM
If you have an Apollo cycle, e- mail me for a free catalog copy.
I'm not too impressed with Apollo but I haven't seen all they made yet.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Apollo catalog posted by Rob on 1/20/2002 at 8:49:31 PM
Hi Chris...Robin,
I emailed you regarding the catalog...but got a message that made me wonder if it will get to you...If you don't receive it, send me an email; I'll copy the old one, and send back as a response...

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just want to share (gloat) posted by: Dick Boyum on 1/20/2002 at 6:30:22 PM
I just wanted to share my latest aquisition. It's a early 70's Raleigh Super Course I picked up on ebay. You can see it at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1058152273. It just goes to show that there are still some bargains to be had on ebay. The seller wasn't too happy that it went so low, but he was a good sport about it and even met my wife and I at the train station in Santa Barbarba when we took the AMTRAK from L.A. to pick it up.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just want to share (gloat) posted by Oscar on 1/20/2002 at 8:27:14 PM
Nice going. I a fan of the Super Course from way back. I't sure to give you decades of reliable and fashionable service. The only thing not "correct" is the Suntour rear derailleur. It originally had a plastic Simplex Prestige model. These often broke, and were replaced by the more reliable and available Suntour or Shimano derailleurs.

$52 is not bad at all for this bike, and you saved on shipping (and had a nice Amtrak ride too).

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Just want to share (gloat) posted by Dick Boyum on 1/21/2002 at 3:28:20 PM
You're correct about the Simplex stuff. I have a set of that old plastic stuff a my junk drawer somewhere. Unfortunately all but high end bikes from this era (early 70's) came with either "Simplastic" or Huret-Alvit deralleur sets. Although I like to keep my bikes fairly original, I'm not opposed to "period" upgrades. When I was working in bicycle shops in Reno, Nevada in the early 70's, I was the first in town to sport the "new" Suntour rear derailluer on my originally Simplex-equipped Dawes Galaxy. I soon had a drawer full of Simplex and Huret takeoffs at the shop. As I remeber there were even a few Campy Sports in that drawer too. I wish I had that drawer now. Not that any Campy could shift as well as that Suntour Hero.

   Super Course posted by John E on 1/22/2002 at 2:24:20 AM
Another example of a bike whose frame is vastly superior to its original components.

MISC:   Pseudo-Colnago followup posted by: Bob on 1/20/2002 at 2:33:36 PM
I posted a note about a week ago concerning a possible Colnago find. I went back to All Bikes and took a better look. This bike is not a Colnago, but it is interesting.

The headbadge must say "Cornago" not "Colnago". The frame size is about 55cm with no indication of tubing type. The lugs have fancy "square" cutouts. The color of the bike is original metalic gold in seemingly good condition. There are no decals I can see except for "Made in Italy" on the seat tube. Brakes are Universal 61; front deraileur is a Campy Grand Sport (push rod); rear deraileur is a (plain) Campy Valentino. Cranks are cottered but apparently both the rings and arms are alloy. Has anyone ever seen alloy cottered crank arms before? Wheels are clincher rims mated to hubs that "look just like" Campy Record high flange, but there are no Campy logos. I suspect they are Campy copies of some sort. I would have guessed French, but everything else on the bike it Italian.

I would guess the bike dates from 1964-1966 given the dates of production for the Valentino rear deraileur. Also this is a relatively "lower end" bike given the Valentino -- Grand Sport deraileurs. That would suggest this bike was imported just before or at the very beginning of the 70s bike boom. The Cornago -- Colnago look-alike may indicate it was some sort of copy, but if so no effort has been made to make it look like a Colnago. The fancy lugs are apparently common on European bikes. The bike seems complete except for the seat. There is a bit of rust here and there on exposed steel parts like the headset and chain.

I didn't dig the bike out of the pile -- there didn't seem to be any sense and it would have been a lot of work. I did not buy the bike or ask the price. As was noted previously, this guy tends to be expensive.

   Pseudo-Colnago followup posted by John E on 1/20/2002 at 6:04:07 PM
Interesting specimen, Bob! Cottered aluminum cranks would not hold up at all; are you sure the arms aren't steel, with aluminum rings, as Nervar and others made during that period?

Ofmega, Galli, and other Italian companies made many decent-quality copies of Campy components. I would guess ca. 1964, when cheap European Varsity- and Continental-fighters started to come into the U.S., alongside the traditional higher-end European road bikes.

   RE:Pseudo-Colnago followup posted by Walter on 1/21/2002 at 2:08:21 AM
I can only recall seeing cottered aluminum cranks once. It was while in college in the mid-80s. It was then an older bike and that's all I remember as far as make is concerned. To go along with John the crank arms were slipping on the BB spindle.

It does sound interesting Bob. Probably be intersting to look at but not worth alot of work especially if the work might not pay off b/c of an eccentric owner.

MISC:   Frame on Takara 732 posted by: Robert on 1/20/2002 at 4:32:40 AM
I have a '79 Takara 732. The frame has a sticker reading,"Guaranteed special 10-11 tubing forks and stays" What does this signify? I assume it's an alloy for these parts.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   This ever happen to you? posted by: Oscar on 1/20/2002 at 2:20:34 AM
So how am I going to get out of this one, fellas? I have a nice Campy downtube shifter with the end of the shift cable stuck, I say STUCK, in it. I have soaked it with penetrating oil, but there is no improvement. Maybe heat will help. Would the aluminum expand in heat enough to release the cable?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   This ever happen to you? posted by Mike Slater on 1/20/2002 at 4:23:12 PM
If I understand you correctly, the lead ball end of the cable is stuck in the shifter. I have seen this before when someone has tried to fit a newer squarish cable end into a Campy shifter that took the round type of end.

I would be careful with the heat, not sure which material has the higher co-efficient of expansion. Might be better to try a SMALL drill in a pin vise and whittle away (carefully) at the lead end of the cable. Good luck!

   stuck cable head posted by John E on 1/21/2002 at 4:53:04 PM
Why not cut off the cable at the shift lever, place the lever front-down on your workbench, and pound out the lead cable end from the back side, using a small nail?

   RE:stuck cable head posted by Oscar on 1/22/2002 at 4:19:10 AM
Exactly the method that I resorted to. I only got half of it out so far. The wife made me stop the pounding for the night.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   This ever happen to you? posted by Keith on 1/22/2002 at 9:53:23 PM
Punch it out. BTW, old Campy shift levers make nice key chain ornaments. I'm not kidding!

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   This ever happen to you? posted by Oscar on 1/23/2002 at 5:47:38 AM
Yeah, got one. I'm trying to avoid another.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sears Puch circa 1966? posted by: Bob on 1/20/2002 at 1:44:25 AM
When I was young I had a black 26" Dunelt 3 speed, which I always regretted selling. About 15 years ago, I came across and bought 2 black 26" 3 speeds in a thrift shop. Probably donated by the same person, they have a label for Sears, "made in Austria". Stamped onto the frame is "Made In Germany". I checked the Sears catalog microfilms and they only listed this bike in their 1966 catalog, as imported from Austria. Is this a basic Puch, labeled and made for Sears? I do enjoy them as refurbished riders, one for day use, replete with vintage european bicycle license, and the other I have equipped with vintage lighting equipment for night use.

   Sears Puch circa 1966 posted by John E on 1/20/2002 at 2:06:47 AM
The "made in Germany" stamp puzzles me, as I understood that Steyr-Daimler-Puch of Graz, Austria made early Sears 3-speeds and even a few "Free Spirit" 10-speeds, before they were supplanted by Murray/Huffy boat anchors.

   RE:Sears Puch circa 1966 posted by Bob on 1/20/2002 at 2:15:32 AM
Yea, that is odd to me, too, but it is stamped into the frame bottom bracket on both of them. Fun to ride, although I also miss my old Sears-sold '72 Heidemann 10 speed, which was stolen back in college. It had really nice features for the price, but the frame size was a bit to large for me, so I'm a bit happier to have gone back to a "sensible bike with proper fenders".

AGE / VALUE:   Shimano Front Freewheeling for raleigh posted by: Harris on 1/20/2002 at 1:09:25 AM
On behalf of a high school freind I'm looking for the complete front crank assembly for his early 1980s front Freewheeeling raleigh Grand Prix. If there are any replacement parts or remedies let me know..........thecrank freewheel wont catch.....it spins foward freely.

   Shimano Front Freewheeling for raleigh posted by John E on 1/20/2002 at 2:08:28 AM
The Front Freewheel system is cr@p. If it were my bike, I would substitute a conventional midgrade aluminum crankset.

   RE:Shimano Front Freewheeling for raleigh posted by Harris on 1/20/2002 at 2:16:46 PM
I agree, that is the second option. As we are seperated by 3000 miles,I wanted to mail him parts for a guaranteed fix.Will he need a new freewheel to go with the fixed crank? I understand the existing freewheel only freewheels to a limited degree? Any specs on a fixed replacement crank?

   cranks and freewheels posted by John E on 1/20/2002 at 6:09:20 PM
The certain fix would include an English-standard BB and crankset, plus a conventional 5-speed (or "ultra" 6-speed) freewheel, and probably a new chain, assuming wear/stretch on the old one. Before investing the in new freewheel Your friend could cautiously try the new crank with his existing freewheel first, to see whether it sucks chain. Good luck. At least he has British BB threading working for him!

   RE:cranks and freewheels posted by ken on 1/24/2002 at 7:44:46 PM
the front freewheel mechanism (also known as 'cr@p') ONLY works with a fixed rear cogset, so any conversion has to include a freewheel. Most of them were based on Ashtabula technology, if you'll pardon the oxymoron, in which case the next step if you want to go through with it would be the 3-piece crank axle that fits the Ashtabula hanger. Have fun.

   RE:RE:cranks and freewheels posted by Jim on 1/25/2002 at 2:49:35 AM
I have your front freewheel unit NOS(also known as cr@p)

FOR SALE:   Vintage Lightweight Parts posted by: Jim on 1/19/2002 at 4:19:03 PM
I have a ton of vintage road bike parts from NOS Suntour, Atom, Normandy, Shimano cassettes, to Weinmann brakes, cables etc. Plus a ton of repair parts. I can send pictures.

WANTED:   Dawes Headbadge Needed posted by: Tom Faust on 1/19/2002 at 1:47:32 PM
I am reassembling my 1972 Dawes after repainting and find I am missing the headbadge. Does anyone have one? It is a light alloy, perhaps aluminum.

   RE:WANTED:   Dawes Headbadge Needed posted by Dick Boyum on 1/20/2002 at 6:21:20 PM
Try Nick Tithecott at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_AT_LLOYDS/. He is the ultimate source for decals English made bicycles. He might be able to direct you to a source for your head badge. There are people in the U.S. that collect head badges that someone in this group might direct you to. I personally tried to get some help frome Dawes in England in aquiring original Dawes decals for the restoration of my own early Dawes Galaxy. They didn't even answer my email. And they tell you right there on their website that they won't help restorers. Good Luck

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Check it out posted by: Walter on 1/19/2002 at 12:05:55 AM
eBay Item # 1062424065. Nice looking Cinelli track bike. Decent pictures. Seller claims it's from the early 60s if my math is right.

Trackies definitely don't compete with derailleur bikes on the Vintage market. I'm pretty sure a 40 year old Cinelli roadie would've been snapped up at that "Buy it Now" price. That and it's a smaller frame. I still remember that 1920s Watsyn 6 Day racer that didn't get a nibble sometime back.

Speaking strictly from aesthetics I really think a fixed or single speed FW roadie with drop bars and skinny wheels is as nice looking as a bike ever could be.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Check it out posted by Kevin K on 1/19/2002 at 3:16:41 PM
Hi Walter. Your comment about using a road bike to build a FW bike is basically what I'm attempting to do with a 1973 Super Sport frame I was so kindly given. I've cut away the original chain stays and bottom bracket housing and fitting in a more modern housing/chain stays that will allow using a lightweight bearing set/bottom bracket assembly. I will then install a 3 piece crankset.I've a set of old Rigida rims with reinforced nipples. These are probally early 70's pieces and measure about 5/8 inch wide. A set of older 700x20 Continental's on them should look hot. I hope to locate older Schwinn pieces that will keep the bikes true identity yet allow those who know the Schwinn bikes from this period to say"Hey Schwinn never built that".So thanks for the posting. When I see bikes like that it makes me think yea, that's what I want my bike to look like. Enjoy, Kevin

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Check it out posted by Walter on 1/19/2002 at 5:35:32 PM
Sounds like a neat project. My LeTour fixed gear is doing well, just not getting many miles. I wanna see pictures.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Check it out posted by Kevin K on 1/19/2002 at 6:31:52 PM
Hi Walter. Yes please. Thanks

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   ride tomorrow -- San Diego County coast posted by: John E on 1/18/2002 at 9:15:26 PM
On Saturday 2002.01.19, a group of vintage Italian bike buffs from Irvine, Orange County CA, and another group from San Diego will converge at 2:00 at the Pizza Port, on Coast Highway 101 in Solana Beach. The San Diego group is leaving the Balboa Park automotive museum (seems appropriate??) at high noon and heading up the coast. I will try to intercept the San Diego group as they head through Del Mar.

Since it's an Italian-themed ride, I don't have to agonize over which bike to ride.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   ride tomorrow -- San Diego County coast posted by Oscar on 1/20/2002 at 2:20:16 AM
So, how'd it go. A bunch of Italian bikes riding in the midwinter So Cal sun sounds like...like...I need a vacation.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1972 Benotto Aero Frame posted by: Robert on 1/18/2002 at 3:56:18 PM
I have a 1972 Benotto Aero Frame--gold plated frame--with Aero seat post and Campy groupo. All of the equipment is original if not slightly worn. Can anyone point me to a source for more info on the bike? Also, is there a collector's market for this vintage bike?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1972 Benotto Aero Frame posted by Keith on 1/18/2002 at 7:08:37 PM
Are you sure about 1972? That was before aero seatposts or really aero anything.

    Benotto posted by John E on 1/18/2002 at 9:14:41 PM
It sounds more like 1980s to me, as well, Robert. Start your investigation at classicrendezvous.com and sheldonbrown.com, and post again if you still have questions.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   nice Bianchi on eBay posted by: John E on 1/17/2002 at 4:56:35 PM
OK, I'm biased, since mine is identical, except dark metallic brown / "charcoal" instead of Celeste, and clinchers instead of tubulars.