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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

FOR SALE:   Schwinn Super Letour 12.2 posted by: Greg on 3/7/2002 at 3:04:03 AM
Age unknown Schwinn Super Letour. 21.5 inches from center of bottom bracket to top of seat post. Lug frame. 4130 Double Butted top and down tubes. Schwinn double ring crankset in very good shape and already on bike. Shimano 600 rear derailleur. Stem and bars(no tape)Will throw in a Shimano 600 double ring crankset to one who purchases this bike.No fork or head set but cups still installed in frame. 30.00 firm for all.Have a picture I can e mail. Thanks Greg

   RE:FOR SALE:   Schwinn Super Letour 12.2 posted by oscar@freewheeling.com on 3/7/2002 at 7:25:32 PM

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Schwinn Super Letour 12.2 posted by Greg on 3/8/2002 at 12:27:42 AM
Yes. 30.00.Have also the shifters that mount on the stem that I will throw in. I think they are Shimano uni shifters. And the pedals that came with it. Can send you a picture of the frame if you e mail me. Thanks, Greg.
Also found the front derailluer, a Shimano 60. Will throw in a shimano 600 front derailleur if I can find it.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Old Track Bike posted by: Tom on 3/7/2002 at 2:42:56 AM
I just bought an old track bike. No headbadge and no holes where it would be. It has been painted a few times. Was dark blue originally with a chrome fork. Has pump pegs. Serial # H120 under BB. Also an H under the bottom bracket that is raised not stamped. It has a BB Made in England. 1 crank arm Made In England. No chainring. Rear track hub says Brampton Standard. Came with steel clad rims maybe US made and 1 red tire, seat frame marked 1942 and track bars that are rough but maybe nickel plated. The guy I got it from says it maybe a 1930"s or earlier. Any idea what I have here by the serial # and the H under the BB.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Old Track Bike posted by Art on 3/7/2002 at 7:17:41 PM
Tom. Check out the following URL at first flight bikes. He has a picture of a British track bike for sale (he's sold it, but the picture is still there) that he says has an H on it and that he thinks might be a Hercules. Might help you. Art


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Old Track Bike posted by Tom on 3/8/2002 at 5:35:52 AM
Hi Art, That is the bike I got. He doesn't know too much about it. I had a good look under the BB and I found an 8 stamped away from the H120 vertical to the numbers. Also on the reardropout under 4 colors of paint was another number XZ 5734 which must be the serial #. Would the numbers under the BB be a model number? Also found under the rusted crank arm the letters E W Y around an arrow head or a spear head. Anyone with a Hurcules track bike out there who could help.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Old Track Bike posted by Warren on 3/8/2002 at 1:28:33 PM
Tom...that crankset just gave you the year of the bike. The EW and spear logo identify the crank as a Williams and the Y is a year code...1936 according to http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British/Williams_nmbrs.htm.

Fred has a Hercules racer/track bike at http://fredhaj.tripod.com/herculesracerpage.html. Maybe he could make some comparisons for you.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Old Track Bike posted by Gralyn on 3/8/2002 at 6:39:38 PM
I have an old Hercules. The old man I got it from told me it used to be fixed gear. It had a coaster brake when I got it. The front rim was Dunlop - 26 X 1 3/8 but the rear, of course, was not original. When I removed layers of paint - I discovered it was AMF-Hercules. I don't know exactly how old it is. It has a brass headbadge - Hercules, Birmingham England. Cottered cranks, Ideale leather saddle, rat trap pedals. I currently have it set-up as fixed gear with Rigida rims - and a side pull brake for the front wheel. It is really light - for a bike it's age (whatever that is). But I really enjoy it - it's one of my favorites.

WANTED:   26" x 1 1/2" 650B tires posted by: Terry Bucher on 3/6/2002 at 4:33:57 AM
Looking for a pair of 26" x 1 1/2" 650B white wall tires for a late 1940's to early 1950's Peugoet 8 speed bicycle.

AGE / VALUE:   shimano 600 SIS posted by: tam on 3/6/2002 at 12:26:32 AM
Does anyone know anything about Shimano 600 SIS componants. Are they quality parts or mainly found on inexpensive bikes.I have a chance to pick up a bike that has complete 600 series parts but I'm not sure what I'm getting. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   shimano 600 SIS posted by Bryant on 3/6/2002 at 12:10:56 PM
Shimano 600 is the early version of Shimano Ultegra, one step below Dura Ace. Good quality components. I say if the bike fits ride it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   shimano 600 SIS posted by Keith on 3/6/2002 at 5:55:34 PM
The current Ulterga line is the decendent of the original 600 group. I've used three models (pre-index, late '80s index, and '96 STI) and all worked perfectly. It's not unusual to see Ultegra equipment on U.S. Pro team bikes (not Postal, which uses Dura Ace). It's good stuff.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   shimano 600 SIS posted by Walter on 3/8/2002 at 3:09:38 AM
I bought a 600EX gruppo in either 85 or 86 to equip a Cannondale (yeah, yeah, yeah I know) frame which I rode with a college club. The Cannonball and most of the gruppo are still around though not all together anymore. This was the last incarnation before SIS. In fact that's why I bought it, one of the mail order places was discounting it out in advance of the SIS, I had previously been a SunTourer. Anyways, mine still works fine today though it doesn't see that many miles anymore. BB doesn't hold adjustment all that well and the 600EX headset was just plain dumb. Tools weren't available back then and certainly aren't now. Other than that, good stuff that should have many miles left.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: aaron on 3/5/2002 at 8:30:58 PM
i just tossed a ten speed john deer bike that i paid a dollar for but i kept the head badge. it is a small aluminum thick square with the jumping deer and the words john deer under it. the bike looked 1970s. where were they sold at? is the badge worth my buck? thanks for any info about this bike, i wish i had room to keep it.

   John Deere posted by JimW. on 3/7/2002 at 5:56:47 AM
John Deere bikes were sold by farm equipment dealers who sold Deere tractors and other stuff like that. They're not particularly collectible or great bikes, but there are people who collect farm equipment who like to have as much as possible of a given brand name's goods. The only color scheme these people want is the classic green and yellow. Deere had bikes in other colors, which strikes me as being a marketing error. I wouldn't mind having a nice green and yellow one, it's cool to have a bike with the name of a tractor.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Elvish Bicycle posted by: Rob on 3/5/2002 at 7:07:25 PM
Does anyone want to take this one on? I saw a 20 year old, more or less, bike named "Elvish"...it seemed to have a lot of French words on the stickers, but I couldn't really tell where it was made. I found one internet link...tied in with Rivendell, but didn't find anything on the site. The owner is asking around $135 CDN ($85US). Any comments? Is there an interesting story here?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Elvish Bicycle posted by Keith on 3/6/2002 at 5:57:05 PM
No idea, but Rivendell is an Elvish kingdom in the Lord of the Rings.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Elvish Bicycle posted by smg on 3/6/2002 at 11:25:36 PM
I'd think that bicycles would be more likely a product of the Dwarves. Maybe this bike was produced for export to the Elves. . .?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Elvish Bicycle posted by Rob on 3/7/2002 at 2:29:58 AM
I've got a few more ideas...I'm going to track down this Rivendell connection and see where that leads...Hmm...the Lord of the Rings...I'm more a pragmatist than a romantic, but this has awakened my sleuthing instincts...why the French words??...Do the Elves only speak French??...or are the Elves rather pretentious beings who like to throw French words around??...Maybe the French words confuse the Elves into thinking they are getting a superior product??...Hmmm... ;)

   RE:Elvish Bicycles posted by Rob on 3/11/2002 at 5:29:30 PM
Thanks Steven,

I went back to the consignment store to have another but the bike was gone...it looks like someone paid around $135CDN ($85US) for it. It did look interesting...maybe there's a little 'elfin' fan club scooping them up... ;) I can't quite remember the component group...I might be mixing it up with some other bikes I was looking at, but I think it was mostly fairly good Shimano...maybe Weinmann brakes??? I wonder if the company still exists?

   Elvish Bicycles posted by Steven on 3/10/2002 at 7:27:03 AM
A few containers of Elvish bicycles were imported into Canada by Ottawa Bikeway in 1982-83. They are the same bicycles sold in the US under the Fontane name. They were made in southern France (I believe in the Pau area.) They are very lightweight and had reasonably good equipment for the money paid. Both city and ligthweight bicycles were imported. I bought each of my parents a 6 speed city bike which they still have, with full mudguards, lights and carriers. The frames are quite whippy but otherwise sound. There were also a few customs brought in for the shop staff, including one of the first full-fledged delta time-trial bikes.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Grans Sport posted by: Jimbo Jones on 3/5/2002 at 5:48:11 AM
I picked this bicycle up a while back. What I was wondering was about the " carlton" on the seat tube. Is that something special or do they all say that? Its white w/ with blue accents, nevar cranks, weinnmen brakes, rims, plastic simplex derailers , 531 tubeing. Id say early 70s. Oh yeah and a hard plastic seat Ouch!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Grans Sport posted by Kevin K on 3/5/2002 at 12:47:41 PM
Hi Jimbo. Lucky you. All I keep finding are the heavier Raleigh Gran Prix's. I can't say as I really know nothing much of them however I'd be tempted to clean/polish her up. Maybe even up grade the Simplex pieces with some prettier Huret or even entry level Campy parts,nice leather Brooks saddle. Find some cotton bar tape could make a pretty sharp piece. Enjoy. Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Grans Sport posted by David on 3/6/2002 at 12:35:27 PM
Gran Sport, DL-160, is the low-end of the 531 double-butted frames, one grade up from the plain-gauge 531 Super Course. Original equipment would have been Simplex Maxi der, Weinmann rims & brakes, Brooks B17 (don't gimme no plastic saddle, I wanna feel the leather when I ride), alloy bars and stem. Lucky find!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Grans Sport posted by Bob H. on 3/15/2002 at 12:08:15 PM
I also have picked up a "Grand Sports" white with blue (almost turquoise) head tube & seat tube bands - original paint & decals. Nervar Star cranks, Normandy hubs, with Weinmann, presta-drilled, Belgian made, 27 x 1-1/4" alloy rims. The bottom 9" of forks and 7" of rear stays have perfect chrome. Brakes are Weinmann centerpulls with the white plastic "Carlton" hoods Raleigh often used.
Stem has "Raleigh" metallic label inserts. The Handlebars, interestingly, have "Raleigh" engraved on the right side and "Sakae 'Custom' Japan" within the wreath to the left of the stem. The front & rear deralleurs and d/t levers are the early Shimano 600 (mid-'70s) - I assume these are a later "upgrade".
Trying to date the bike is baffling me since this model is the one which doesn't follow the "normal" serial number date coding of my other 531 bikes (Professional, International, etc.) produced in that same (Worksop, I believe) facility.
Would love any further info regarding it's age.

AGE / VALUE:   NISHIKI INTERNATIONAL BICYCLE (GOOD OR BAD)?? posted by: Steve.T on 3/5/2002 at 12:46:11 AM
Hello There, I just picked up a beautiful Vintage Nishiki Internationl bicycle at a pawn shop. tThe bicycle seems very light & rides nice. I don't know anything about these bikes & was hoping that someone could tell me if they are considered good bikes? or junk? I didnt pay a lot for it, is it something I should keep? Please reply anyone. Thank you, Steve.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NISHIKI INTERNATIONAL BICYCLE (GOOD OR BAD)?? posted by Brently Addley on 3/5/2002 at 1:36:56 AM
Hi Steve, i had a nishiki international back in the 70s & it was one of the best & lightest (of that time) bikes I ever owned. super built & ment to last. i rode the heck of of it. after about 4 years it was stolen. i still miss that bike, it was green & white & so nice. If i ever find one like it i will buy it. i dont know when thay stated making those bikes, but i would guess in the 60s? someone on this site will know for sure. nice find there, you will enjoy that bike. Brent.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NISHIKI INTERNATIONAL BICYCLE (GOOD OR BAD)?? posted by Skip Echert on 3/5/2002 at 3:26:18 AM
Hello Steve -
Nice Bike! Nishiki bikes were imported into the US beginning in about 1973. For most of the decade the International was Nishiki's second best bike, with only the Competition higher. In 78 or 79 Nishiki added the Superbe above the Comp as their best bike.

    NISHIKI INTERNATIONAL BICYCLE posted by John E on 3/5/2002 at 4:02:11 AM
Kawamura-framed bicycles first entered the U.S. in the late 1960s, under the American Eagle marque. As Skip points out, their use of the Nishiki name dates to 1973. The original 1972 International, the Kokusai ("International" in Japanese), was a bit heavy and somewhat dead/mushy feeling, with a straight-gauge CrMo main triangle and Maxy cranks with a swaged 3-bolt spider. The Semi Pro (renamed Competition around 1974) had much nicer Sugino Mighty Compe (Campy copy) cranks, a double-butted CrMo main triangle with distinctive wrap-around seat stays, and a bit less excess weight. The Road Compe, introduced in mid-1972, had a full-CrMo frameset and a distinctive black-and-orange or black-and-green paint job. By the late 1970s, all three of these had evolved into world-class bikes at their respective price points. Because Japanese bikes (other than 3Rensho) are not yet coveted by collectors, many represent outstanding values in the used market.

   RE: NISHIKI INTERNATIONAL BICYCLE posted by log on 3/6/2002 at 3:06:27 PM
I have an International in the attic. It seems to be a good bike, but the frame's a little short for me.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NISHIKI INTERNATIONAL BICYCLE (GOOD OR BAD)?? posted by Tim on 3/8/2002 at 9:16:33 PM
I have built up 3 old Nishiki Internationals (one is my wife's main bike). They are very nice frames. Two are 'loaded touring' bikes with full braze-ons and canti brakes. The other was a road bike set-up. Quality for money,I find in general old Nishiki bikes are great to re-build and update. I especially like the International.

   89 OR 90 NISHIKI MODULUS posted by MIKE on 4/17/2002 at 4:58:55 AM
A little help would be appreciated. I am just getting into road biking. I have the opportunity to start with a Nishiki Modulus, either an 89 or 90 model. Just curious if anyone knows anything about this bike and would offer an opinion as to whether it would be a solid bike to start with. Thanks

AGE / VALUE:   correction- "Steve Bauer" posted by: ron on 3/4/2002 at 8:56:14 PM
Thanks Tim for the reply.It is a Steve Bauer bike and it is in perfect shape. The present owner told me that it was "eddie bauer" but I thought it read Steve. Could you please give me any info on the Shimano 600 SIS componants.Do you have any dollar (canadian) value on this bike ?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Steve Bauer posted by Warren on 3/4/2002 at 10:38:57 PM
Although I'm sure there were some high end hand made frames around, the bulk of them were decent double butted frames in the Japanese tradition. Steve was the definitive Mr 2nd Place...Olympic silver in LA and a photo finish in the '90 Paris Roubaix in which Eddy Plankaert edged him at the line but I swear it was the other way around. About 2 years ago, Plankaert admitted that he was blood doping for that race...I really wish they would give Steve that win. I've met him a couple of times and he's is a really nice guy and squeaky clean...one of my heroes. Not that I would have passed all my drug tests in the past 30 years...but that is off topic!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   correction- posted by Jim on 3/8/2002 at 7:38:17 PM
Warren has said pretty much all there is to say about Steve and the bike line that carried his name - well put, btw - I'll add just a bit more. The cyclery I work in carried Steve Bauer in '88, '89 & '90. Nothing low end or high end either. All were nicely equipped, reasonably well made and very well priced. Appropriately enough, the model I recall in best detail was the "Chinook" sp? Blue/black w/ all 105 dt shifters, unk tubing & black ano everything. Kind of a classy line that I almost entirely forgot about.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   correction- posted by Tim on 3/8/2002 at 9:22:18 PM
I don't have any idea of value - I just sold the one I rebuilt (first generation full 105, Tange frame) for $300 Cdn as an everyday rider. Early SIS 600 components are great. If the bike is seven-speed, you can update the bike with newer 8-speed Sora or Tiagra integrated shifter/brake levers, and you have a very current bike! Not a collectable, but light and lovely to ride.

AGE / VALUE:   eddie bauer posted by: ron on 3/4/2002 at 7:20:20 PM
I'am interested in learning more about an 80's bike built with an "Eddie Bauer" signiture. It is equipped with Shimano 600 sis 12 speed components. Could someone please give me any info on the bike. I'd be very greatful, thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   eddie bauer posted by Timothy Welsh on 3/4/2002 at 8:49:30 PM
Funny, I am just working on restoring a STEVE Bauer - is this what you mean? I think the Eddie Bauer name goes on Ford Explorers, not bikes. Steve Bauer was a Canadian Olympic medalist cyclist, from I don't know when. He went on to making bikes, and I see a fair amount of them around Vancouver. Early ones may have been built in Canada (they look more classic, but I've never seen an early one up-close), but the nice one I am re-building right now has a Japaneses-made Tange frame, with all 105 components.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   eddie bauer posted by dave on 3/4/2002 at 9:01:33 PM
Cannondale bikes were sold under the Eddie Bauer label ... does the bike have oversized aluminum tubing?

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn paramount posted by: lloyd on 3/4/2002 at 12:21:49 AM
i have a schwinn paramount ive had for over 20 years.its been in my parents bassement about 15 years.im not using it,and im thinking of selling it.i know it was exspensive when i got it,but not sure now.its chrome plated(frame&forks).its aluminum,and has a reynolds aluminum sticker on it.it has weinmann rims.the only numbers i can see are k837,and it has brav. campagnola at the rear.the tires are dry rotted.seat looks good.chrome on frame good.forks have some pits.shifter handle is broke at tightning point.stickers are peeling.any info you can give will help. thanks lloyd

      schwinn paramount posted by John E on 3/4/2002 at 2:48:58 PM
Paramounts tend to be collectible, if in decent or at least restorable condition. Watch for comparables on eBay. Please also report the length of the seat tube, from the center of the crankshaft to its top.

from Waterfordbikes.com's Velorotica / date your frameset:

"This system was used from January 1966 through 1969. It consisted of three components -

Month Code: This one letter code corresponds to the month with A=January, B=Febuary and so on. Because I is not used, September=J and December=M.
Year Code: This one digit code is the last digit of the year - 6 is 1966.
Sequence Number: This two digit number represents the nth frame and/or fork scheduled during the month.
For example, H763 is the sixty-third frame or fork scheduled during August of 1967."

My guess is that yours is the 37th frameset built during K=October, 8=1968, particularly if you have 10 speeds and Weinmann center-pull brakes. A 1978 Paramount would have sidepull brakes and probably a 2-letter-plus-digits serial number.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   universal cruiser-made in poland posted by: matt on 3/3/2002 at 5:44:29 PM
I just bought an old bike, maybe 60's or so. I've never seen the brand before, it says universal cruiser on the badge, and poland on the bottom of the badge. The paint is a nice metallic red with hand painted striping. I have no knowlege about the age of the bike, or when it was imported. The serial number is 4729245. All the components on the bike are original, and I am working towards cleaning the chrome etc. If anyone has any info or just knows of a place for me to get info I would really appreciate it

WANTED:   Mavic road chainset posted by: Colin Barratt on 3/3/2002 at 5:20:55 PM
I am looking for a Mavic 631 chainset. I just missed one on EBay and would like to find another.

It is to go on my Vitus Le Cam 992 and will complete a transmission set with an 851 rear mech, an 810 front mech and retro - friction changers which a friend sourced for me last week. I realise that these aren't strictly contemporary but they are all nice and just need the chainset to round them off. Incidentally the brakes I am using are monoplanar chorus side pulls which are gorgeous and match the Vitus alloy lugs beautifully. If anybody has a set of Chorus aero levers in fair condition I'd be very interested. Best wishes, Colin.

   RE:WANTED:   Mavic road chainset posted by Colin on 3/6/2002 at 9:05:15 PM
Problem solved - I found a very special Stewart Technology Crank and chainset on EBay in Perth, Australia. It looked SO different, even more so than the Mavic, that I decided to go for it. 175mm cranks, 55/45 chainwheels. CNC made with broad aero crank arms. I'm still looking for the chorus levers though.

   RE:WANTED:   Mavic road chainset posted by Colin on 3/6/2002 at 9:05:29 PM
Problem solved - I found a very special Stewart Technology Crank and chainset on EBay in Perth, Australia. It looked SO different, even more so than the Mavic, that I decided to go for it. 175mm cranks, 55/45 chainwheels. CNC made with broad aero crank arms. I'm still looking for the chorus levers though.

AGE / VALUE:   Stelber - Charger, 20" Girl Bicycle, posted by: John K. Brown on 3/3/2002 at 2:29:01 PM
I have a Stelber Girls Bike, and cannot find any information
on it. I have never seen this name before and would like to know who made the bike and the year. It is a 20" bike, it is in very good shape, and the serial #is 0056159. The chain guard says that it is a "Charger".

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lbs posted by: Ron on 3/3/2002 at 2:23:31 PM
Any shops in St. Louis that are worth checking out on my way through?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lbs posted by Ron on 3/4/2002 at 1:30:00 PM
HELLO! Does anyone actually read this stuff,or is everyone from California?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lbs posted by Keith on 3/4/2002 at 2:33:33 PM
Yes! Re-Cycled Cycles. Go to recycledcycles.net for the address. Usually has 10 or so vintage lightweights for sale at reasonable prices.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Lbs posted by Ron on 3/5/2002 at 5:28:01 AM
Nice website and nice bikes but is there a vintage shop in St.Louis that doesn't require an appointment to get in?