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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Peugot ?? posted by: Tim on 4/18/2002 at 6:37:52 AM
Left in a back alley, I have saved an old Peugot road bike. I am clear that it's not a PX10 or anything like that, but it is interesting and I think pretty old.

The frame is unidentified steel, painted with beautiful orange paint with black outlined lugs, and lots of splashy decals. Except for bottle cage clamp damage in two places, the whole bike is nearly mint.

The seat is leather, with an elaborate 'DEALE' imprint. Brakes are Mafac Racers, hubs are Normandy high flange, rims are Rigida Chrolux steel, tires (orig, I think) are Michelin, wing nuts are Huret Lux, pedals are Lyotard, cranks are cottered and not identified. The serial number is on a small plate rivited to the BB: 2356484.

Anyone recognize this bike? How do I find out its age and model? Any ideas are appreciated.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugot ?? posted by Gralyn on 4/18/2002 at 12:21:44 PM
I have a Peugeot from the 70's. It is a beautiful blue color with nice decals work. It has the high flange Normandy hubs, Rigida rims, leather saddle (Norex, not Ideale). It has cottered cranks, Lyotard pedals, (my brakes were replaced at sometime before I go it - it originally had center-pull brakes) and no decal identifying the frame material.
You may check the Peugeot PX-10 database - there may be information there which will help you identify how old your bike is. It sounds to me like maybe late 60s - early 70's.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot ?? posted by Warren on 4/18/2002 at 12:34:47 PM
You have a Peugeot U0-8 with all the original equipment. Actually it might be an A0-8 since it doesn't have quick releases. Likely sold in the 70's but it would be very difficult to narrow the date down. They made millions of them...literally I think. If you like the ride then use it!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugot ?? posted by Mike Slater on 4/18/2002 at 12:36:20 PM
I think the saddle is probably a Ideale. The riveted on S/N plate pretty much puts this bike in anywhere from 1970 to 1978 - the only time these plates were used. Gralyn is correct in suggesting you check the PX-10 database. It can be found at http://www.classicrendezvous.com/PX-10.htm

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugot ?? posted by Rob on 4/18/2002 at 6:36:15 PM
The three previous replies pretty well have it covered...there was a very lengthy and detailed discussion on this model in Dec 2001...try around =count20 something.

    Peugeot UO-8 / AO-8 posted by John E on 4/18/2002 at 7:58:11 PM
Early 1970s AO-8s came with low-flange wing-nutted Normandy hubs and painted forks, whereas UO-8s had high-flange quick-release Normandies and half-chrome forks. All of them had those stupid riveted serial number plates, which were understandably popular among thieves during the bike boom era.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugot ?? posted by Ed on 4/20/2002 at 1:16:32 AM
Your Peugeot is pretty much like one that I own. I seem to recall a statement from one of the sights listed above that the serial number plates were used in 1972 only.I have been told by the expert at our LBS that the model is a P4 and worth around $100.00.Can't be certain,but this is information gathered from people more knowledgeable than I.Good luck with it. I've enjoyed mine alot over the approximate ten years that I've owned it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugot ?? posted by Arnie on 4/20/2002 at 3:10:30 AM
Hehe, just read down this thread. Didn't see it before I coincidently posted a new thread about my Peugeot that I'm trying to identify. I bought it about 1972-74 as I recall. It is blue with the half chromed forks. It has a serial number, 10495390, stamped on the rear fork just above the hub meets the fork, not the riveted plate. The hubs are Simplex quick release, and the derailleur is Simplex. The lugs are outlined with gold stripe and the seat is a Norex "39." I don't see any markings on the rims, but they are "dimpled." The cranks are cottered, but I don't see any identifying name. The pedals are Lyotard. Doesn't sound like it's exactly the same as the UO 8 or AO 8 mentioned, but sounds close. Any more info would be appreciated. Thanks.

MISC:   Campy cups and cones, nuovo vs tipo parts, is there a difference? posted by: Tony T. on 4/17/2002 at 10:28:50 PM
I'm rebuilding some nuovo record hubs. I found some NOS campy cones and cups both for nuovo and for tipo hubs. The only difference I can discern for the cones is that the nuovo ones are "parkerized" (protective black coating) everywhere except the threads and bearing surface whereas the tipo cones are all machined surfaces. I can't really tell the cups apart, is there a difference? Perhaps the nuovo parts are machined to higher tolerences?

Thanks for any info in advance,
Tony T.

   RE:MISC:   Record vs. Tipo posted by Eric Amlie on 4/18/2002 at 1:43:13 AM
The major difference that I'm aware of is that the Record front hub uses 7/32" bearings while the Tipo uses 3/16". Both rears use 1/4".

   RE:MISC:   Campy cups and cones, nuovo vs tipo parts, is there a difference? posted by Tony T. on 4/18/2002 at 2:42:20 PM

Yes there must be a difference in the front hub as the bearings are different. Sorry that I didn't mention that the cups/cones I was looking at are for the rear wheel.


Tony T.

   RE:MISC:   Record vs. Tipo posted by Eric Amlie on 4/18/2002 at 3:35:18 PM
Tony, I would suggest putting the question the Cycles de Oro Classic Rendezvous discussion list. They have some folks there who are very knowledgeable about high end vintage bikes and parts. The main page is at http://www.classicrendezvous.com/main.htm where you can find a link to register for the discussion list.

AGE / VALUE:   sports Le Tour IV,Schwinn 1971,J.C. Higgins 1952 posted by: Cathy McGaughy on 4/17/2002 at 8:10:25 PM
I Have a 1971 Sports Le Tour IV Schwinn, It has the round metal chicago head plate, partial chrome molybedenum decal under seat in very good condition considering age, Did they all have racing handlebars? This one has street bars like cruser, are these bikes collectable? Whats a fair price to ask for resale? Thanks for help.........

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sports Le Tour IV,Schwinn 1971,J.C. Higgins 1952 posted by Kevin K on 4/17/2002 at 9:08:32 PM
Hi Cathy. Are you sure about the date on that Schwinn. The first year for the Letour IV was 1979. Could you provide more info such as equiptment. Could you email me pics please? Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sports Le Tour IV,Schwinn 1971,J.C. Higgins 1952 posted by Maurice on 4/18/2002 at 1:57:23 AM
I too question that '71 year - I believe that was the first year of the Le tour. They had a partially chromed fork and eventually replaced the Super Sports around '73? The handlebar style you refer to is called Tourist and yes some of those models did have that option when new. I have a womans '67 ladies Super Sport that offered Tourist bars in addition to the racing bars - think it was a ladies only option - If you have an original '71 Le Tour, even if it is a ladies, I would think long and hard before selling...........

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   sports Le Tour IV,Schwinn 1971,J.C. Higgins 1952 posted by Kevin K on 4/18/2002 at 2:27:42 AM
Hi.Well. No Schwinn catalog shows a Letour before 1974 BUT...Stranger things have happened. Two guys, Bob and Eric really have knowledge of these Schwinns. You emailed me personally, thanks. But this one is above me. Where are the serial numbers on this bike located please? An S for the first letter is very odd as most Schwinn bikes of that era. I enjoy Schwinn bikes. It's all I own so if you could please tell us all you can about it. Thanks, Kevin

   RE: LeTour IV posted by Eric Amlie on 4/18/2002 at 3:28:59 PM
You have a mystery bike here. Most of what I know about Schwinns comes from perusing the catalogs. I have run across a fair number of instances where the catalogs did not cover something which was actually available. I don't think I have ever run across something that was in a catalog which was not available though. That said, According to the catalogs Kevin is right in that the LeTour was first offered in 1974 and had a 1020 carbon steel lugged frame. The only year for the LeTour IV was 1979 and again it had a 1020 lugged frame. It sounds to me that you might have a 1971 Sports Tourer which had a fillet brazed chrome-moly frame. These came as a "sport bike" with drop bars but of course anyone could have replace them with tourist style bars.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   sports Le Tour IV,Schwinn 1971,J.C. Higgins 1952 posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 3:14:03 PM
Perhaps 1981?

MISC:   Nishiki Modulus posted by: Mike on 4/17/2002 at 5:01:18 AM
I am just getting into road biking and have a chance to start on a 89 or 90 Nishiki Modulus. It is said to have good components. Just wondering if anyone had an opinion on this bike for a beginner.(BTW, the bike is my brother's and he is giving it to me, so the price is right.)

   RE:MISC:   Nishiki Modulus posted by Gralyn on 4/17/2002 at 11:48:26 AM
I have a couple of Nishiki's - but I have never heard of a Modulus...but other than having 2 Nishiki's - I don't know much about them. Does it have a sticker on the frame - identifying the type of steel the frame is made of? i.e., 4130, 531, 1030, etc.?

does anybody know if there's a web site for Nishiki? With information on older Nishiki's?

And congradulations on hitting the road! Enjoy!

   RE:MISC:   Nishiki Modulus posted by Tim on 4/18/2002 at 6:34:14 AM
I have fixed up a number of older Nishiki's, and many of them are of high quality. Some older Nishiki road bikes are hand-built, lugged, built of butted Tange tubing or similar, and look great. I haven't seen a Modulus - do you see a sticker with info about the tubing (on the seat tube).

   RE:RE:MISC:   Nishiki Modulus posted by Skip Echert on 4/19/2002 at 5:32:28 AM
Hello Mike -
My daughter has a Nishiki Modulus, 19" frame, made in about 1988. 700c wheel in back and 24" in front. Has Shimano Exage Sport components, Tange 900 chrome moly double buted. Painted red and white, and looks new. Nice bike - wish it fit me. A seller on Ebay claimed they went for $600 when new.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bob Jackson Tandem for sale posted by: Steven on 4/17/2002 at 3:47:48 AM
There is a Bob Jackson tandem from the 80's for sale on e-bay. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1821478873

The price is presently well under the true value of the bike. While this is not the more desirable racing version and is definitely underbraked, it should go for well over $1K

If you have never experienced riding a tandem, I can only heartily recommend it. It is also a great way to get your partner involved in your hobby. This is not my auction, but were it not for the 2 tandems that I already own, I would definitely give it some thought.

   RE: You're trying to hipe that bike Huh! posted by Telly on 4/17/2002 at 11:59:54 AM
The bike is not worth $1000. You are trying to hipe it & its not working.

   RE:RE: You're trying to hipe that bike Huh! posted by Savalas on 4/17/2002 at 12:27:28 PM
You're either kidding, misinformed or you're being an antagonist. Maybe you would like to explain why this bike is not worth $1000. Please.

   RE:RE:RE: You're trying to hipe that bike Huh! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2002 at 3:11:35 PM
Well, Bob Jackson made some very fine, well made high quality stuff. He is well regarded! I have no doubt that some of these do deserve a $1000.00 dollar price tag. Does this one? I dunno. Find somebody who knows tandems and see if they're willing to comment. If I was in the market for a tandem I would look for a Bob Jackson.

   Bob Jackson posted by Steven on 4/17/2002 at 11:31:18 PM
As any regular visitor to this site will attest, I regularly post on this site and would not hype something that I did not believe in. I own two tandems, a Bob Jackson, as well as a Trek. I have also owned a much overhyped Santana in the past and founded a tandem club. No tandem that I have ever ridden outhandles my Bob Jackson. The racing version that i have is however quite different from the one for sale, in that it has a much shorter wheelbase with Paramount like bent rear seat tube. It also has far better brakes and much lighter wheels. I have been riding with 36 spoke wheels with Mavic MA40 rims and 25 mm tires for years. It handles great and is comfortable!

The bike for sale is a mix of almost the best of everything for Tandems: Reynolds 531 Tandem tubing, the very best tandem chainsets ever made (TA), the Phil Wood hubs were probably the best 48 hole hubs available back then (with the exception of Maxicar hubs from France)even though I believe 48 spokes is total overkill. The Maillard freewheel and Sedis chain combination is top notch. If the bike were mine, I would shift the drive to the front cranks, thereby resolving the chain angle dilemma and allowing you to put a short cage derailleur on the back. This also allows the captain to better feel and hear the front derailleur. I would also put on a larger barrel shift lever as the Simplex are notoriously small requiring greater movement of the lever to get a shift. I personally use Suntour Cyclone DT shifters or else indexed bar-ends. The photos are not clear enough to show if the brakes are the brazed-on Mafac Racer Tandem brakes. If so, they were about the best that you could get without going to the Mafac cyclocross cantilevers. If they are the centerbolt mounted type, they are inadequate for the bike. From an aesthetic point of view I don't like the mixing of the two rims, but when you are locked into 48 holes, you don't often have much choice. Both the Superchampion and the Weinmann concaves were top of the line. The rear stem is likely a Bob Jackson in-house stem whereas the front is a no-name Japanese one (to go with the Japanese bars)

As regulars will know, for singles I will chose an Italian bike anyday, but for Tandems, it is either French or English in my books. A well set-up Brit or French tandem from the 40's through the 80's will put any Santana, Burley, Ibis, Trek (Mine was a gift!)or other American truck to shame both in comfort and handling. $1000 is a fair price for both vendor and buyer!! Heck, a custom tandem frame alone cost more than that.

   RE:HIPE HIPE HIPE. posted by TELLY on 4/18/2002 at 12:54:08 AM
Tell it to the oh mighty folks at ebay. If ebay says its worth $400! its worth $400. Now, lower your head & praise the all mighty ebay!

   RE:RE:HIPE HIPE HIPE. posted by Savalas on 4/18/2002 at 2:23:19 AM
Still no facts to back up your claim?

The correct spelling is "hype". Derivative of hyperbole. If anyone is guilty of hyperbole, it is you.

   Hype, Hype, Hype posted by Steven on 4/18/2002 at 2:55:17 AM
It is heartening to know that there are some people that believe that they are supporters of the law of supply and demand for determining the value of an object. In this case however, Telly, any economics 101 professor would fail you on the spot (beyond for your spelling as correctly pointed out by Savalas), because as the reserve clearly states, there is no offer at the present price of $455. As no sale will occur at $455, ebay has not determine any value whatsoever. The law of supply and demand can further only be an instantaneous measure of the value of an object. The true market value of an object is determined by the average of multiple transactions over a longer period of time. Did the Peugeot that went for over $7000 truly have a market value that high? Not likely, but one seller and one buyer, at one given moment, concerning one particular bicycle did decide that the instantaneous value was that. Subsequent postings of similar bikes didn't even come close to that price.

   True Tandem Market Values posted by Steven on 4/18/2002 at 3:54:38 AM
As proof of what the true value of high quality tandem, check out the following sites and it will become evident that $1000 would be a fair price.

Bob Jackson offered for sale in Britain where they traditionally cost less than in the US. £800 is equivalent to about US $1200 http://www.preloved.co.uk/search/advanced_results.cfm?search_what=This_cat&SECT=Health+and+Leisure&CAT=Cycling&SUBCAT=Bicycles&location=GB&member=all&keyword=bob+jackson&ad_type=all

older Bob Jackson price list for new framesets, the prices go from about $2700 on upwards for a frameset alone: http://www.worldclasscycles.com/JACKSON-PRICE-LIST.htm

Tandem classified prices: http://www.tandemtour.com/eclass/fstandems.html

   RE:RE:HIPE HIPE HIPE. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/18/2002 at 5:49:05 PM
E- bay fluctuates up and down. It depends who all is watching the auction and what they want and how bad they want it. If I'm looking for something and want to get it over with now, then I offer more.
Perhaps the second or third time around the person who has been wishing will have more nerve to go after it despite possible rejection or more money. The description given of the machine sounds very nice.

I think the tandem is probably reasonably priced. I had put a bit more money into a car once and they said I would never get it out, that it would be a loss. They were wrong however, I had 28 people come out to look and drive that car, but the 29th bought it. Only one paid the $4,200.00 I asked. One buyer was all I needed.
Someone will buy this tandem and not think twice about the $1000.00 so just hang in there with it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I heard once that a tandem in general is difficult to sell anyways. One was in a local shop for awhile and one day it was gone and I asked "What happened?" he looked at me and said "I sold it!" he was patient.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bob Jackson Tandem for sale posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 3:20:49 PM
The newbie is probably not even a vintage bike person. Let's blow Telly off. As s social phenomenon, eBay compresses the value of everything. Someone out there will always pay something for any old piece of junk. On the other hand, eBay buyers are bargain hunters to the core, and high-quality items frequently go unbid or go for less than what could be had if the seller took the time to find the right market. Jackson is a pretigious name and anyone who knows vintage bikes is aware of that. The tandem is easily worth over $1000, especially when it's compared to the slapped togther tigged stuff that sells for more. So there, dammit!

   RE:RE:Keith, you are the one who blows. posted by Telly on 4/19/2002 at 6:41:16 PM
Bike will never see $1000! put that in you pipe & smoke it.

   RE:tandem value posted by ken on 4/20/2002 at 1:16:10 AM
a quick peek at St John St Cycles online finds ten or more used tandems, the asking on all but two of which is over a grand US. Christopher Robin please note: one of the exceptions is a ca. 1928 Royal Enfield, and I hope you bring it home.

   RE:RE:tandem value posted by Steven on 4/21/2002 at 10:02:11 PM
It would appear that Telly got a fantastic deal at $700 because that is what it closed at. Let us know how it rides.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Bob Jackson Tandem for sale posted by Keith on 4/22/2002 at 2:07:36 PM
I've bought several Campy NR equiped bikes in fine condition with prices ranging from $50 to $400. The fact that I obtained these bargains doesn't indicate that the bikes aren't worth more than what I paid.

AGE / VALUE:   Giubilato bicycle (Italian) posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2002 at 3:02:21 PM
Does anybody know anything about Giubilato brand bicycles?

Italian with Columbus tubing found with full Campy bits.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Giubilato bicycle (Italian) posted by Steven on 4/17/2002 at 12:45:34 AM
Giubilato is Italian for Jubilee. Giubilato Cicli has been operating since the early 70's. They have recently bought out the revered Ganna brand and are now producing bikes under that name. Prior to Ganna, they were simply one of a huge number of small frame building shops that produced frame in both their own and other people's brands. You can see their web-site at http://www.giubilatocicli.com/english/azienda_frameset.html The english is somewhat quaint but understandable. The conviction that smaller frame shops supply perhaps up to half of the frames sold with some of the most prestigious names such as Colnago and Pinarello is often bandied about. When you see the number of frames that they sell and the size of their frame shop, it is hard to doubt this affirmation. That is why I am faithful to De Rosa, where numbers and staff members correspond perfectly. Ernesto and Nanni will dispute this vehemently however.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Giubilato bicycle (Italian) posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2002 at 11:08:27 PM
You are a gentleman and a scholar! Now I get to check out the web site! thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   Viscount with "Death fork" posted by: dave on 4/16/2002 at 1:48:53 PM
Over the weekend I picked up a Viscount with the aluminium death fork. I got it for the Shimano Crane rear DR. Also has what I assume is a Viscount made crank/chainring set as I have never seen one like it before.

Does anyone collect these or should I turn it into a lamp?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount with posted by Gralyn on 4/16/2002 at 2:03:17 PM
I saw a Viscount yesterday. 25" frame. It had a chrome fork - the entire fork was chrome - not just the bottom half. Anyway, it looked like chrome....too shiny for aluminum. Are those bike any good? I don't know - maybe I'll go back and look at it - if it's still there.

      Viscount posted by John E on 4/16/2002 at 2:54:18 PM
Recommended reference: Berto, Shepherd, and Henry; "The Dancing Chain"

These bikes, an interesting, quirky bit of bike boom history, are apparently decent, modestly-collectible riders. If in doubt about the fork, replace and save it. Fortunately, most of the Viscount/Lambert's threads and diameters are British-ISO.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Viscount with posted by Walter on 4/16/2002 at 2:57:41 PM
Viscount made some nice bikes. They marketed 21-22lb racers for about 1/2 the price of Italian Columbus or English Reynolds steel. Their "aero-space engineered" tubes were just straight-guage cro-moly but they were light and their Japanese components worked well.

A friend of mine who ode Viscounts in the late 70s liked to point out that his bike was just as light and probably shifted better than the high-end stuff the "Campy snobs" rode. Nowaday I'm a bit ofa "Campy snob" myself but my friend was more than a little right.

Change the fork and ride it.

Gralyn: That is probably a chrome (Tange?) fork that replaced the original aluminum one.

AGE / VALUE:   schwinn /world sport posted by: josh on 4/16/2002 at 8:58:55 AM
i found this bike.ive never heard of a world sport before,i was wondering if anyone could give me any imformation on it i.e.what yrs did they make them,where is the serial #.it has suntour components,silstar crank,27' k-2 rims,dia-compe brakes.i can only find 4 #'s on the head tube.any imformation is welcome and appreciated.thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn /world sport posted by bryant on 4/16/2002 at 11:05:57 AM
I picked up a Ladies World Sport earlier in the year. Mine was a Silver color. I could'nt find out much about it but it looked like it was made in Japan in the early 80s. I fixed it up and sold it for $50.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn /world sport posted by Gralyn on 4/16/2002 at 11:40:50 AM
I have 2 or 3 of them. I have one from 1979, I believe, and one from '85 or '86. The older one is more "like new" condition. The newer one is very good condition. The one from the 80's has 4130 frame, aluminum alloy rims, SunTour, DiaCompe brakes. They're pretty good bikes. I have a couple of Schwinn Travelers (Chicago-made) - which seem to be a step up from the World Sport - and so, I usually end-up riding the Travelers most of the time - and ride the World Sports very little. I plan to sell the World Sports - both of them. Yes, given their condition - I would hope to get around $50 for either of them.
I believe the World Sport was most likely produced in great numbers - most likely Tiawan (mine are, anyway).
There should be a 4-digit number stamped on the head badge - it's difficult to see it, though. I believe this is correct: The first 3 digits represent the day of the year....like for example: 123 = the 123rd day, and the last digit represents the year: So, 1234 = the 123rd day of 1984. There's no way to tell between the decades - other than the components: if it has those foam rubber grips covering the handlebars - then it's 80's. Side-pull brakes ussually means 80's. 6-speed rear cassette usually means 80's. Center pull brakes usually means 70's, 5-speed rear = 70's, etc.
You can check out Schwinn.com - but usually I get more help on this site than Schwinn.com - but there is information there.

AGE / VALUE:   Carlton posted by: Tim Welsh on 4/15/2002 at 10:31:39 PM
Hi to all. The local Buy & Sell has an ad for a Carlton. I called, the owner bought it new about 30 years ago. It has a Simplex derailleur. It would be a bit of a hike for me to go check it out, and I think he wants about $100 Cdn ($65 US?). I don't know much about Carlton, except that they made some good bikes. Did they also make so-so bikes? Is the Simplex derailleur an indication that this bike is mid-range or lower? Could this be a good find, worth checking out? I'd appreciate any guidance. Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Carlton posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/16/2002 at 2:46:13 PM
Go for it! People spend that for a common 3 speed bike. This will likely have the 531 lightweight frame tubing. Derailers can be changed!

     Carlton posted by John E on 4/16/2002 at 2:58:09 PM
I am still trying to talk my wife's sister out of her stunning translucent blue-over-chrome Carlton, which is a Campy NR - full 531 thoroughbred. Are there any stickers or other indicators of frame quality, such as nice forged dropouts or half-chrome stays, on the Carlton you have found? I would guess that one can find Carlton frames ranging from lightweight carbon steel, to Reynolds main triangles, to full 531.

FOR SALE:   27"varsity KJxxxxx (11/73) posted by: tls6767 on 4/15/2002 at 7:37:34 PM
needs restored condition is a 3-4 (1-10)has a decent soubietz schwinn light on front i also have a tail light if interested. S&H in the u.s. by u.p.s. is $22.00 taking offers on the bike,email me if interested

   RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by tls6767 on 4/15/2002 at 7:42:58 PM
i can send photos if you are interested.

   RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Keith on 4/15/2002 at 8:07:45 PM
Are people really seeking these out? I have '73 (same year) that's nearly mint, with original bar tape, gel brake lever covers, and chrome fenders. I was going to give it away recently, or trade it for a nice set of 46cm alloy handlebars. Does anyone actually want it?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Kevin K on 4/15/2002 at 8:47:02 PM
Hi Guys and yes they do. Just my feelings on this but......... I think MINT Schwinn bikes are going to be a bit sought after. I doubt that they would be bikes people would ride any real distance, but for evening cruises around the block plus it's going to be a conversation piece. Last fall I rode a mint, beautiful womans 1973 Opaque Blue Surburban down a new bike trail. I had more people ask me if I restored it / who restored it. There is something about Schwinn's use of color and chrome. But yea, the Varsity / Continentals in Kool Lemon, Opaque Blue, Sunset Orange are going to be great pieces to own. Those loud 70's colors, too cool ! So if your bike is mint as you say you might want to think about keeping it. Is it going to be alot of money. I doubt it. Who cares, they are just sorta cool. Kevin K

   RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Bryant on 4/16/2002 at 11:10:52 AM
I just picked up a 1972 Kool Lemon Varsity at the Thrift shop for $15. It isn't mint, but what fun is it in fixing up a mint condition bike. I like getting the old beaters and making then look and ride better. This one is going to be my beater bike for going to the library, post office, K Mart. I figure a cheap bike lock will suffice. What self respecting bike thief (if there is such a thing) will rip off a 30 year old Yellow 10 speed.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Gralyn on 4/16/2002 at 11:53:23 AM
I love finding these old bikes - then fixing them up and clleaning them up and making them look really good. It amazes me how nice-looking they can turn out. After everything is taken apart, cleaned, polished, waxed, new handlebar tape, new tires.....then the bikes look almost new. My only regret....I keep forgetting to take before/after pictures. I've done about a dozen or so bikes - but I didn't take any "before" pictures. One of the most recent, an old Peugeot - looked like it had been sitting in a barn for years. I was amazed when it arrived at my door and I pulled it out of the carton (I bought it from someone and had it shipped). It looked a lot worse than in the pictures. But wow! did it clean-up! Now it's a beautiful bike! I enjoy fixing them up just about as much as riding them.

   '71 Super Sport posted by John E on 4/16/2002 at 3:02:05 PM
I just passed on a 1971 Super Sport for $28 (Rancho Coastal Humane Society Thrift Shop, Encinitas CA 92007, if anyone is interested), because it is a bit too tall for me, and because my wife would not understand why I need a fourth road bike.

   RE:'71 Super Sport posted by Kevin K on 4/16/2002 at 4:59:47 PM
Hi. Only four bikes! Lucky you. That what I'm down to now as a result of building Franken bikes I believe is what John called them. My four are very nice and I hope to not collect more than 6-7 bikes. Tops. Kevin

   RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by rickey on 4/16/2002 at 5:37:33 PM
i have owned a bike shop for some time and have came across many varsity's & conti's and i love to restore them there are cool bikes verry heavy but once youve got it roaling it pretty fast i pick at some of the gang about there cool 3000.00 bikes very light i tell them to pick it up they faint .and talking about the wild colors schwinn never seen what ive done to there old bikes my last project was a very rad paint scheem but it's cool we can powder coat paint some bikes we krylon some ...ive bought out many old bike shops & have many n.o.s. diacomp parts & real rare bar tape's i caN MAKE MY OWN decals vinal and have lots of fun with these old bikes my prices for these old schwinns restored are 100. & up so keep your eyes open people discard them we find them on the side of the road ill surely get it if i see it first thanks knowles bicycle shop 334-756-7561 valley alabama

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Dan on 4/17/2002 at 1:55:13 AM
My wife still has her '73 yellow Varsity from her teen year's, when I had a chance to pick up a '74 blue girls Varsity which was in near mint condition for $1.50 at a sale I snatched it. Now I have two nice 70's Girls Varsity's and I may look for a couple of boy's Varsity's just to even thing's up. I'm under 20 bike's now, gave one away today.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Gralyn on 4/17/2002 at 12:00:31 PM
Well, I would say I'm "up" to about 14 or so bikes now. I say "up" because I'm still gaining - and haven't got rid of any of them....well I did sell a Continental. I do have several I don't really want to keep - and I am even advertising some of them in a local sale paper. The one's I want to sell: Schwinn World, Schwinn World Sport(2 of them), Nishiki Custom 12, Peugeot Grand Sport, Ross Grand Tour II. I like having a wide variety of brands in my collection - and the Ross is the only Ross I have - but it is a 25" frame - and just really too big for me to comfortably ride - and if I can't ride it - I don't want to have it!
I don't really want my collection to keep growing - maybe level off. Maybe keep looking - when I see things I think are really collectible, or if I really like it - maybe get it....but then get rid of another one I have - that I like less.

   RE:FOR SALE:   27 posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 4:06:24 PM
It's okay by me -- I intend to keep a few examples of the Schwinn electro-forged stuff just for fun. But if the price of a 70s Varsity ever gets near that of a 70s Paramount, as a lightweight rider from that era (who started out on a Swine Varsity at age 11), I'll definitely throw up. The Varsity -- a classic lightweight? Yikes!

AGE / VALUE:   How to determine the age of a Nishiki posted by: Gralyn on 4/15/2002 at 4:47:21 PM
The Nishiki I picked up this weekend - was most likely from the 80's. It had 6 speed cassette, side pull brakes, allen bolts on stem and seat, and that foam rubber handlebar grip. Screaming 80's!!

But I have another Nishiki - it has center-pull brakes, high flange hubs, - which makes me think 70's - but it does have a 5 speed cassette - and it is supposed to - per the decals on the bike. Are there any serial number charts or information anyone knows about?

Here's one: I have a Lotus, I bought it in '83 - it's an 82 model. It has 5 s-speed cassette, center pull brakes - things more from the 70's - but I know it was an 82. Are the late 70's and early 80's more of a mix?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to determine the age of a Nishiki posted by Gralyn on 4/15/2002 at 4:58:54 PM
I meant 6-speed cassette!!!!!!!
It has the high flange hubs, centerpull brakes....and 6-speed cassette.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to determine the age of a Nishiki posted by Kevin K on 4/15/2002 at 7:18:25 PM
Hi. A 1984 Schwinn Catalog shows the 84 Letour Luxe with center pull brakes although mine came eguipted with cantilevers as the 84 Voyageur shows. Seems I've seen other quality bikes still use the center pull brake system. I don't think Weinmann / Diecompe went away that easily. Kevin

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How to determine the age of a Nishiki posted by Skip Echert on 4/16/2002 at 5:22:16 AM
Hello Gralyn -

Finding the dates on the components is a good way to date a bike. For details, have a look at:




VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nishiki posted by: Gralyn on 4/15/2002 at 12:17:59 PM
Well, I was going to pick up a Schwinn Superior on Friday - but it was gone!
But I did find a Nishiki....21" frame, I believe, 4130 frame, Dia-Compe brakes and levers, Sugino Cranks, Weinmann alloy rims, Avocet saddle, QR, and Suntour. The red paint was great.

I worked on it this weekend. Converted it to fixed gear. Replaced the bars and stem with an Italian bar and stem. It looks good and rides great!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nishiki posted by Keith on 4/15/2002 at 2:30:42 PM
I think you've discovered the best and highest use for such a bike. Nicely done!

     Nishiki posted by John E on 4/15/2002 at 2:43:45 PM
We will have to agree to disagree on that one, Keith. Old SunTour derailleurs work extremely well, and fixed-gear is incompatible with my riding style, routes (widely varied terrain), and interests.

   RE:  Nishiki posted by Gralyn on 4/15/2002 at 3:36:31 PM
Yes, for me, it really depends on the where I'm going to be riding. If I know it's going to be really hilly - I will take a 10 or 12 speed with a wide gear ratio. If it's going to be a lot less hilly - more even terrain - I will take a fixed-gear. I live in the "foothills".

MISC:   Fuji posted by: Mike on 4/14/2002 at 11:10:08 PM
I have just restored completly, a Fuji Grand SE 12 Sp with mostly SunTour Running gear. Back when I strated Fuji "on line" said I could not do it. Well, it looks new, but, what year is it? How can I figure it out? Ser# JA109689 Please send to my E mail, I may never find this site again. K-9@bikehighway.com

AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/14/2002 at 7:00:17 PM
Oh Crap! What do I do?
I hit a casche of like 15 N.O.S. Simplex rod type front derailer changers with the Delrin Plastic (Industrial type resin) and some have the alloy metal clamp thingie.
These are N.O.S.

I picked up the 3 Simplex 5 speed shift leavers and some more Alvits and left the rest there!
What is the going rate for these Simplex front rod derailers? No shift leavers just the fronts?
Pick them up or leave them?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/14/2002 at 7:08:35 PM
The 5 speed shift leavers have the T bar with red end caps and those I have.
These have me wanting to mix Huret Alvits and Simplex T bar shifters. Can I do this?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by dafydd on 4/14/2002 at 7:23:51 PM
You might want to track this as a reference:


I might be interested in one if you pick them up.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by Steven on 4/15/2002 at 12:46:35 AM

I believe you have misunderstood the derailleur that is being described above. Either that or I have made the mistake!? I believe it to be the more 'normal' derailleur found on most 70's French bike boom bicycles. Instead of the front drailleur cage being mounted on a swing mechanism, it was operated by a rod-like mechanism keeping the cage always on a plane. If this is the derailleur, I can't immagine it being worth very much, NOS or used. Like the Valentino, it worked but was never anything special and was produced in huge numbers. Any bike shop that has been around for 30 years or more should have some left in their obsolete stock.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by dafydd on 4/15/2002 at 1:05:02 AM
I'm a newbie so I'm inclined to believe you are correct. Could you direct me to a image so I don't make such a mistake again?


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by Steven on 4/15/2002 at 5:00:32 AM
Check page 175 of the book the Dancing Chain. If you don't have the book, I can only recommend it as being the best 2/3rds of a book ever written on lightweight bicycle history. The first two parts, written by Raymond Henry and Ron Shepherd are superb and make it a must buy to any Newbie. They will supply you with about as much information as ever collected in one book, whether you look in French, Italian, German, Spanish or Dutch (sorry, I can't read Japanese, so I can't comment on the availability of Japanese books). The last third, chapters 9 to 12, covering the most recent history, is long on techno-freak gobbledygook and short on usable information. This part also contains a great number of errors and truly lets down the first part. If you are looking for the book, you can try with the ISBN number 1-892495-21-x or contact the publisher Van der Plas Publications, 1282 7th Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94122.

Good reading!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by aldo ross on 4/15/2002 at 12:34:36 PM
There's a picture at the Classic Rendezvous site which might help clarify which derailleur this is


   Simplex front rod type changers posted by John E on 4/15/2002 at 2:39:32 PM
I prefer the "push-rod" label, since some folks refer to suicide shifters as "rod type." The basic Peugeot UO-8 push-rod front derailleur is a very common, poor-to-mediocre performer. (I worked for a Peugeot/Nishiki dealer, now Supergo.com, in 1972-4. The SunTour gear on the Nishikis made the Simplex gear on the Peugeots look sick.) A NOS specimen might be of interest to someone restoring a low-end early 1970s French road bike, but no one else.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by Chris on 4/15/2002 at 6:54:18 PM
Thanks for the comments guys! Dancing Chain is a must buy, must read book. I go armed with this book rattling in my head before my adventuring.
The rod type front changer is even a more better find than what I am talking about. Lets face it the L.J.543 derailer is the best find of it all. the alloy covers sell for a lot, just the cover. I'll pick it all up, for the heck of it!
These are cable operated push rod front derailer changers.Plastic and not that important or sought after.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Simplex front rod type changers posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2002 at 11:21:36 PM
Well, the front derailer turns out to be Simplex Presitge. I have a whole bag full of the metal clamps that goes around the frame of the bicycle. I'll never get rid of them, I'm stuck with them. Nobody will want these! I couldn't leave them still.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record ace 1940's posted by: karl on 4/14/2002 at 6:59:25 PM
thanx for all the info already. the forks are all chrome. could not find any markings on the hubs? and i forgot to mention the original celluloid fenders. they have a raleigh insignia on them. the guy i got it from said they were original, but he claimed the entire bike was original. anyone know what the fenders were for. not for track racing, he said it may have been a "6 day racer". also anyone know where i could find the original dunlop rims. any old catalog photos out there?? it will be a while befoe i can post a pic as i am across the country form my bikes for work but will post one when i can. it is a beaty of a bike. thanks alot--karl

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record ace 1940's posted by dafydd on 4/14/2002 at 7:32:09 PM
Here's a pair of Dunlop rims that recently sold on ebay:


Not a cheap item by any means! You might want to look for a donor bike if you don't mind non-NOS. Fenders were pretty much standard fare on club bikes up through the 6Ts.

Here's a picture of a Record Ace:


   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   raleigh record ace 1940's posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/15/2002 at 6:33:21 PM
Your fenders are origonal! Blumels celluloyd "Noweight' s" and the Raleigh insignia is the "kiss of origonality"
A fairly wide assortment of "mudguards" as they're called would have adorned this bike. Blumels celuloyd,later plastic. Some alloy mudguards were made too. I have a couple of sets of alloy guards. Blumels messed about in alloy guards. They're lovely!