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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki that is a masi posted by: Craig on 4/21/2002 at 8:41:52 PM
Hi all. I saw a bike today that had typical Masi internal lugs but with Nishiki stamped drop-outs. Anybody hear of Masi building bikes for Nishiki? It was repainted so I don't know the model.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nishiki that is a masi posted by Keith on 4/22/2002 at 3:17:00 PM
Many builders and even mass-produced bikes have used internal lugs. In fact, the garden variety electroforged Schwinn Varsity has a single silver-brazed internal lug where the top tube joins the seat tube. Go to classicrendezvous.com to see a good brief history of Masi and photos of Masi bikes, including, I believe, the internally lugged Volumetrica.

AGE / VALUE:   Pink girls Minerva bicycle posted by: Victoria Magdefrau on 4/21/2002 at 7:46:40 PM
I bought this bike yesturday at an antique store for 7$. The lady told me if was made in switzerland. The tires were made in Holland. I would like to know something about it. It is old. If anyone nows a web sight to go look for info. please send it to me. I can not find any serial numbers on it. Looking for your help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pink girls Minerva bicycle posted by Steven on 4/23/2002 at 6:07:09 PM
Minerva is a old Belgian company that made both cars and bikes. The pink color does not correspond to it being too old however. It was in fact rare to see such colors until the 60's. There is also a modern-day company that continues to build bikes under that name. It could be that the design is one of their modern products made for the European market. Their web-site is WWW.minerva-nv.be

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   help determine model posted by: John Mizzi on 4/21/2002 at 6:33:48 PM
I have a 10 speed pegeot which I would like to determine the model of it has the following details
Simplex Front and Rear derailleurs
Simplex shifters situated on the stem not downtube
Lyotard pedals 136R
Maillard gear wheels
Weinmann Brakes centerpull
Maillard quick release front wheel
Fork is half chromed
Decals are a lion on a rock with red background
purchased in 1977-78
Stronglight crank and freewheels
The color of the bike is grey
handlebars are rounded and brake levers are available at two positions for comfort
Thanks in advance
John Mizzi

   basic UO-8 or its successor posted by John E on 4/22/2002 at 3:16:26 AM
Does the frame have a "Carbolite 103" sticker? It sounds like a later version of the basic UO-8, which had Mafac center-pulls and QR hubs front and rear. Although it is a very basic carbon steel "10-speed," it is one of the better specimens of its genre.

AGE / VALUE:   PANASONIC PROFESSIONAL 7000 posted by: Kevin K on 4/21/2002 at 5:43:00 PM
Hi. Still looking and thought I'd ask once again as it's been close to a year now since I last sought out info on this bike. Have any of you guys, or gals that happen to read this post ever seen, ridden or perhaps owned a Panasonic Professional 7000. These were full black anodized Dura-Ace equipted, 4130 double butted frames that came in gold only. Year I would quess late 70's early 80's. The bike also had 700's v 27". In my Schwinn only collection I would love to have one of these quality Japanese pieces. So any input about these bikes would be great. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   PANASONIC PROFESSIONAL 7000 posted by Kevin K on 4/21/2002 at 5:57:05 PM
Hi. I would possibly consider a Touring Deluxe 5000. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   PANASONIC PROFESSIONAL 7000 posted by Kevin K on 4/22/2002 at 8:21:16 PM
Hi. I picked up several Panasonic catologs today. Wow! Panasonic really made some great, high quality bikes. The catalog is 1984-1985. Not yet vintage pieces but really cool. Team Europe I. Full Campy Super Record equipted, Columbus SP/SL tubing. Where I live here in Toledo, Ohio area there are not any Panasonic bikes. In the last 5 years I've only seen 2, both bottom end women's bikes. Anyone ever seen or ridden these high end Panasonic pieces. Thanks,Kevin

AGE / VALUE:   Any collectible value? posted by: George on 4/21/2002 at 5:16:46 PM
I have a Campagnolo Valentino "Extra" rear derailleur and a Ideale "90" leather seat. Both are in very good condition. Do either have a collectible value? I installed them many years ago on a bicycle called a Velosolex model LaParisienne, which appears to be a Peugeot marketed under another name. Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks, George

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any collectible value? posted by Kevin K on 4/21/2002 at 5:55:27 PM
Hi George. Both items are nice pieces for collectors. It wouldn't suprise me if someone contacted you about buying them just upon reading your post. Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any collectible value? posted by Oscar on 4/21/2002 at 5:58:02 PM
If you check ebay for recent Ideale sales, you will see them go from $60 to $100. The Campy Valentinos are universally disrespected, but I never had any trouble with them. They will shift anything from 13 - 36 teeth cogs. Can any other derailleur do that?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any collectible value? posted by Keith on 4/22/2002 at 2:26:36 PM
I agree with Oscar's comments about Valentino -- they show up on ebay regularly and either go very cheap or unbid. But, they are function very well IMO, and though perhaps not as smooth shifting as a new Suntour of the same era, it will likely outlast the Suntour as it used the same brass bushing construction as the Nouvo Record. It would be one way of keeping a less-expensive vintage bike all-European, if that's important.

AGE / VALUE:   trying tofigure out year posted by: Lisha on 4/21/2002 at 3:00:46 AM
I have an old typhoon that has been owned by the same family since it was new now my husband and I own it.. its is lack boys24 inch bike with breaks and it has a gear assembly but how many gears there are gears not to sure how many there are it is in median condition so help us figure out the serial number iis CA14907 help???

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World posted by: Bryant on 4/20/2002 at 10:04:08 PM
Hi all. I need your help in putting a date on a bicycle I found at a Yard Sale. It is a Ladies Schwinn World ( not World sport or World Voyager, just World)10 speed. It has alloy cotterless cranks, Suntour AR derailleurs, and 27 inch alloy wheels with the front being a quick release. It also came with a quick release for the seat(Original???). It is light blue to aquamarine and has the round Schwinn Badge on the head tube. Can't find the serial number. It looks newer but when did Schwinn stop making 10 speeds?? My wife will be using it as a local bike. Any help is appreciated

   head badge number posted by John E on 4/20/2002 at 11:58:15 PM
Please check the 4-digit number on the head badge. The last digit is also the last digit of the year. By 1980, 12-speeds were extremely common, so I would GUESS you have a late 1970s specimen.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World posted by Gralyn on 4/21/2002 at 3:21:36 AM
I have a men's Schwinn World. Sounds like about the same color as mine. But mine is a 10 speed with side pull brakes, cotterless cranks, chrome rims - but also, it has that foam rubber grip stuff on the handlbars - which was very common in the 80's. If mine is from the 80's - then I believe it is either an 84 or an 85 - I can't remember for sure. But check that stamped date on the head badge - it will help you pinpoint the year.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn World posted by Bryant on 4/21/2002 at 3:43:27 PM
The stamped date is 2815 which would make it a 1985. This one had the foam rubber stuff too. That was the first thing to go. After more looking I think the color is called Pearl Blue. Researching is half the fun of finding a bike. I'm in the middle of the other fun part, fixing it up. Thanks for your help!!

MISC:   kia/cimmaron posted by: josh on 4/20/2002 at 9:54:39 PM
i bought this bike at a garage sale for a parts bike,its a woman's '83 cimaron.i was just going to come home and strip it,then i got interested in knowing more about it.the bike looks pretty plain,all exept it has shimano derailers.does anyone know about these bikes?did it come with these derailers?no name on crank,brakes,shifters ect..ect..im still new to bikes so please tell me if this bike is worthless.thanks

   firstflightbikes.com posted by John E on 4/21/2002 at 12:00:02 AM
Is the Cimarron a mountain bike? If so, firstflightbikes.com has the most comprehensive summary of Schwinn mountain bikes that I have seen.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot 72-72 posted by: Arnie on 4/20/2002 at 2:34:23 AM
I have a 72-74 vintage Peugeot that I'm trying to identify. It has cottered cranks, Mafac Racer center pull breaks, Simplex 10 speed derailleur, Norex "39" seat. The lugs are painted with gold trim lines outlining them. It has a serial number stamped in the rear fork just above the rear axel. It has quick release hubs with 1 1/4" dimpled (serated) rims. Any help identifying this model would be appreciated. I would post a picture if I knew how. Thanks.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot 72-72 posted by Gralyn on 4/20/2002 at 2:51:25 AM
Hey, it sounds like you're describing my bike! I have one just like that! Except that the center-pull brakes were replaced sometime back with side-pulls. I think mine's a 75 or 76. I'm not really sure what mine is either. It may be a UO8...or something like that.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot 72-72 posted by Arnie on 4/20/2002 at 3:13:38 AM

I just read your post on the other thread. Yes, I think mine's a 72-72, but I can't be sure. Just don't remember when I bought it. I've always enjoyed riding it, but always had a problem with the brakes squealing. I've tried toeing in the pads, which helps for a while. Have you had this problem. Any suggestions? Thanks.

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Peugeot 72-72 posted by Warren on 4/20/2002 at 11:52:47 AM
Read further down the page Arnie. The answers are there.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:the value of courtesy posted by: ken on 4/20/2002 at 1:17:26 AM
I note some ad hominem argument on the site reminiscent of the now defunct Schwinn discussion group, and my first thought was, "There goes the neighborhood." Rule number 2 up above calls for respect, and I believe that nearly all of the bike lovers who post here are willing to listen to differing points of view and respond respectfully. The value of courtesy is that a person can remain on good terms with others while debating the question, but cannot prove a point with bombast. Then too, I trust that the good people at VVVintage will, as they say, take care of it, if necessary.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:the value of courtesy posted by Kevin K on 4/20/2002 at 1:57:36 AM
Hi. While I don't read all the post, I've never personally seen any rudeness. Most of the guys that hit this site are pretty consistent with their posts meaning you'll see their names on a regular basis. If there is a jab or two every now and then it could possibly be that they / we feel very comfortable around one another and are secure enough to express true feelings. Any comment that's outright nasty I agree has no place here. However on this site, the guys that maintain it and mostly the guys that post on it, seem pretty a-ok to me. I look forward to posting, even more so to the responses. Enjoy, Kevin

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:the value of courtesy posted by Gralyn on 4/20/2002 at 2:46:43 AM
I agree! The folks posting here seem pretty OK. I also post a bit on a Datsun Z-car site - and there are times when some folks get really childish with their comments. Also, a schwinn site - it's just no all that great - there's usually not rudeness - just a lack of responsiveness. But I find this group most informative, helpful, encouraging, and especially a kinship of folks who love bicycles and bicycling.

   the value of courtesy posted by John E on 4/21/2002 at 12:01:55 AM
I am consistently impressed with the caliber of the people I meet on this site. FYI, the Schwinn discussion forums are back up and running, with occasional heavy editing.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:the value of courtesy posted by Keith on 4/22/2002 at 6:20:11 PM
I think frequenters of this site have been consistently respectful, but it's also good to be reminded of the need for civility.

MISC:   Stolen Old Road Bike - FOLLIS 1975 posted by: christopher on 4/19/2002 at 11:28:32 PM
Asking your indulgence. During the night of 16/17 April 2002, my treasured 1975 FOLLIS men's road bike was stolen in Reston, VA (suburb of DC). The bike was definitely not a high-end machine, but it had had a few special modifications made prior to original delivery, and it was a backup means of transport for me. In case anyone should see one going by (don't know how far it may have migrated), at the time of the theft the bike had:
A large frame (seemd to be for a regularly-proportioned person over 6'), probably French gas-pipe, mainly metallic red (perhaps what is called "candy apple red") with detailing in black; partially chromed fork and chrome fork crown; Simplex bar-end shifters (I believe this was non-standard); Mafac Racer center-pull brakes; some sort of customized gearing (also non-standard) which I'm too much the novice to describe well except to say that the freewheel appeared to be brass-plated and it was supposedly designed for long-distance touring; Mavic 27" rim (prob. original) in back and a cheaper Nisi 27" alloy rim (replacement) in front; a Wrights leather saddle in very nice condition. That's the way it was at the time of the theft.
I realize it's a long shot, but I'm hoping the person who took it is more stupid than I was for letting it be stolen. If you happen to see it going by, please contact me. No uncomfortable questions will be asked - I just want it home.
Thank you.

AGE / VALUE:   Early 70s Raleigh Professional posted by: Goldtimer on 4/19/2002 at 1:11:43 AM
Hi. I bought a Raleigh Professional in the early to mid 70s (prob. '72-74) when it was one of the better bikes one could buy. (The Raleigh Team was very slightly lighter.) It's UNC blue with gold lug trim and some chrome on the stays. (Got lots of complements when new.) The parts are all Campy. Campy wide flange wheels with sew-up tires. 12 speed (2 x 6). [Most bikes at the time were 10-speeds, as most reading this know.] It bears a sticker saying it was made in the Carlton workshop. It is low mileage but has some scratches and some slight chrome rust from sitting in a garage for 15 years. Just blew up the sew-ups today and surprisingly they held air as i rode several miles. Chain was rusty but got it working. Rides good!

What's this bike worth, roughly? Is it worth restoring to close to its orignal self?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Early 70s Raleigh Professional posted by Sklip Echert on 4/19/2002 at 5:08:12 AM
Hello Goldtimer -
A Raleigh Pro is definately desirable! I would put a range on it of $600 to $900 depending on condition. Restoring by cleaning and polishing, servicing components, and replacing tires, is cost-effective and will return it to being a great rider. Restoring by repainting and replacing components with some in better shape, or even new, makes a wonderful bike. However, one can rarely recover the costs.
Great bike - one of those I lust after.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Early 70s Raleigh Professional posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 3:10:04 PM
As for restoration, don't repaint if it only has some scratches. Rather, carefully clean, polish, and wax it -- Simachrome or similar products may help the chrome. Disassemble the bike completely (get a book or shop manual if need be) using good wrenches and care to avoid "wrench rash." Spray the inside of the frame with frame Saver or Boeshield T-9. Clean and repack all bearings with fresh grease, and all pivot points with good oil. Regrease cables and replace if necessary. Keep anything you replace or remove. Replace the rusty chain for sure because it will wear down those Campy chainrings, which are very expensive to replace if you go for NOS. A fine bike -- the brazing on the ones I've seen always looked cleaner than on the Raleigh Internationals and other lower-end models I've seen. I think they tended to fuss over the Pros more.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Early 70s Raleigh Professional posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 4:53:56 PM
P.S. Be careful riding on the old tubies - the glue may be shot (including the glue that holds the bottom strip to the tire casing) and may roll off while you're cornering -- ouch!

MISC:   Campy steel cranks posted by: smg on 4/18/2002 at 5:46:29 PM
Long ago, Campagnolo produced a 3-arm steel cotterless crankset that I believe was called "Sports". I've always thought this crank was one of the most graceful components of all time. Can someone tell me more about it, when it was produced, and how nearly impossible it might be to find one? Thanks.

   RE:MISC:   Campy steel cranks posted by Eric Amlie on 4/18/2002 at 6:28:05 PM
Chuck Schmidt's Campy timeline at http://www.velo-retro.com/tline.html mentions a new group called "Sport" which appears in 1960 in catalog #14. I didn't see the 3 arm crank mentioned specifically but I just quickly skimmed the time line.

   RE:MISC:   Campy steel cranks posted by Chuck Schmidt on 4/18/2002 at 7:30:08 PM
Look under 1971 in the Campagnolo Timeline on my website at http://www.velo-retro.com

The steel cotterless cranks are much newer than people would guess! Same with the all steel hubsets that Campagnolo made.

Strangely, Campagnolo made a cottered bottom bracket, but never made a cottered crank to go with it.

Chuck Schmidt
South Pasadena, Southern California

   cotterless steel cranks posted by John E on 4/18/2002 at 7:50:57 PM
In the late(?) 1970s, Nervar made a cotterless steel crank which took the same proprietary 5-bolt, 128mm BCD aluminum rings as its cotterless aluminum cousin, the Star.

   RE:MISC:   Campy steel cranks posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 4:56:13 PM
FWIW I've seen it too and it is indeed beautiful. But I don't know it's history at all. A cool link between in the transition from steel to aluminum. Bet steel arms didn't break very often.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Campy steel cranks posted by Chuck Schmidt on 4/19/2002 at 5:28:46 PM
The steel Campagnolo crank is actually not a transition between steel and aluminum. The Record crank (aluminum) was introduced in 1958; the Sport crank (steel) in 1971. The Sport group was for more economical (read cheap) bikes. Bike makers could advertise a "full Campagnolo" bike and not be lying.

And yes, even steel cranks can break at the pedal eye!

Chuck Schmidt

   RE:MISC:   Campy steel cranks posted by Keith on 4/19/2002 at 5:47:17 PM
Okay -- I stand corrected (not unusual) -- BUT, I bet they didn't strip many of the threads on these with the crank puller -- !

   steel cranks posted by j.eldon@abac.com on 4/19/2002 at 9:08:53 PM
COTTERED steel cranks have the additional liability of breaking across the cotter hole (been there ... done that, on my first Capo's 15-year old Agrati cranks, while starting across Wilshire Bl. in West Los Angeles).

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Catalina ca. 1960? posted by: Steve on 4/18/2002 at 5:18:47 PM
I am restoring a Carlton Catalina, and I wonder if someone could help me date it. It is (well, it WAS) a dark copper color, has a Reynolds 531 frame, and hand-cut lugs. Derailleurs are Huret Alvit. Rims, pedals, crank are all chrome plated steel. Brakes are Weinmann Vainqueur 999. Serial no. is M5992. It has to be after the Raleigh acquisition of Carlton (1960?), because I found a Raleigh factory form folded and tucked in the bottom bracket! No date on it, alas.

While we're on the subject--I was able to de-rust much of the chrome, but although it looks good, there is a lot of fine pitting, which probably will re-rust. Anyone know a good way to stabilize it, short of rechroming it?

Thanks for your help and suggestions.

    Carlton Catalina ca. 1960? posted by John E on 4/18/2002 at 7:53:37 PM
This won't help you much, but the Huret Allvit came out in 1961 and remained popular into the next decade.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Catalina ca. 1960? posted by Oscar on 4/18/2002 at 8:10:10 PM
Short of recroming the fork, you should keep it nice and waxed, and store it dry.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Carlton Catalina ca. 1960? posted by david on 4/18/2002 at 11:16:59 PM
Are you the lucky person who won the Carlton on ebay about a month ago? I put a bid in but the final price was too high. Classic Rendezvous has a brochure online:


Nice bicycle!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS: Carlton Catalina ca. 1960? posted by Steve on 4/19/2002 at 11:24:57 PM
Thanks for the responses.

Yes, this is the bike on Ebay. It's remarkable--everything on it is original except the seat. Even the chain and brake pads. The bike has literally no wear; you can't even see a line in the bearing races from the balls, or wear on the brake pads. The poor bike apparently spent its life decaying in a garage. What a waste!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   J.C. Penny's 3 speed Lightweight posted by: Jon on 4/18/2002 at 2:24:06 PM
i got a J.C. Penny's 3 speed Lightweight with chrome fenders,white "saddle" seat,curled handelbars,chrome chain guard and shimano clip on the gear cable near the back tire. I was wondering if any has any info on this bike. Also I got a Murray Phoenix 3 Speed with chrome tourist handlebars,blud "saddle" seat,blue hand grips,chrome rimsthe bike is gray and blue chaine guard is also gray not chrome but the crank is chrome. It has the same crank as on a Sear's Roebuck. Does anyone have any info on this bike???