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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   the value of paint posted by: John E on 4/26/2002 at 10:51:23 PM
Still no bidders for this old Allegro, which would be worth a bundle with its original paint and decals.


VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vintage French bike Ebay posted by: Tom on 4/26/2002 at 9:22:29 PM
Nice old French bike on ebay. Not mine or anyone I know.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1097465528

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Vintage French bike Ebay posted by Oscar on 4/26/2002 at 10:31:58 PM
Oh for the days where there was time enough to handpaint a seatstay plug. Beautiful...

     Vintage French bike Ebay posted by John E on 4/26/2002 at 10:49:03 PM
Tres cool! Thanks for sharing. Note that the chain is routed incorrectly through the TdF rear derailleur, a common phenomenon. I wonder how high the bidding will go ...

AGE / VALUE:   F.C. Parkes posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/25/2002 at 11:32:42 PM
Anybody have any info on a F.C. Parkes bicycle? Ever hear of this?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   F.C. Parkes posted by Chris on 4/27/2002 at 7:43:57 PM
Should I say, Anybody willing to tell about it?
Thanks, Chris.

These are out there.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   F.C. Parkes posted by Ian on 4/28/2002 at 9:56:49 AM
I have a 1951 Parkes Lightweight track bike fitted with English 1" pitch chain and sprockets. I have added a front brake and ride it on the road on fixed wheel. I measured up the bottom bracket height and it is definitely higher off the ground than any of my other lightweights so it was obviously built for fixed wheel. It also has the track type parallel dropouts and Arden hubs with a sprocket on each side of the rear. The name F.C.Parkes is written in script down the downtube and it also has a headbadge "Parkes Lightweight" I was told that F.C.Parkes was the foreman frame builder at Sun Cycles and that if you ordered a top of the line lightweight it came badged as a Parkes. Apparently a shipment of five came here to New Zealand in 1951, three complete ones and two frames which were built up to the customers specifications.I have also seen reference to road lightweights in the bulletin of the English V-CC. Peter Brown or Hillary Stone in England could probably be more accurate than I can about them. Hope this helps a little, regards, Ian.

   AGE / VALUE:   F.C. Parkes posted by Neil on 5/1/2002 at 8:11:58 PM
The Parkes family owned the Sun bicycle company, and the F C Parkes model was the top of the range, hand-built lightweight. I believe that F C Parkes ran Sun from the 1920's onward, and that the model bearing his name was produced form the 1930's until (I believe)the late 1950's. Peter Cowan is the Veteran-Cycle Club Marque Enthusiast here in the UK for Sun and Parkes. I suggest you refer to the Club's website for general info on the club itself, if interested. I have an early/mid-1950's Parkes International model in well-used but original condition, one of my favourite machines. Unlike Ian's model, mine has a Cyclo Benelux four-speed derailleur gear, although it has a double-sided hub, with fixed gear sprocket on one side, and the four-speed block on the other. All that's needed to ride fixed is to remove and re-fit the rear wheel so that the fixed sprocket is on the drive side, and fit a shorter chain. It still has the original Britannia "Quick-fit" celluloid mudguards (fenders), with "Parkes" in script impressed in the rear one. Other main accessories are: Williams C34 chainset, Phillips pedals, GB brakes and Brookes B15 saddle. Wheel rims are chrome 27 inch Dunlop Special Lightweight, spoked 32 front and 40 rear. Handlebars and seat pin are anonymous alloy, and stem is chrome. It rides well, and the Benelux is smoother than the Campag Nuovo Record on my Bates!

MISC:   All too true posted by: Keith on 4/25/2002 at 8:44:48 PM

Step 1: Get a spaghetti-strainer and several small sponges. Soak the
sponges in salt-water and paste them to the inside of the spaghetti-strainer.
Place the strainer on your head. Find a busy road. Stand by the side of the
road and do deep knee-bends for 8 hours. This will acclimatize you to a day's ride.>
Step 2: Take some 200-grit sandpaper and rub your rear-end and the
insides of your legs for about 20 minutes. Rinse with salt-water. Repeat.
Then, sit on a softball for 8 hours. Do this daily for at least 8 days.
Step 3: Each day, take two twenty-dollar bills and tear them into
small pieces. Place the pieces on a dinner-plate, douse them with lighter
fluid and burn them. Inhale the smoke (simulating car-fumes). Rub the ashes
on your face. Then go to the local motel and ask them for a room.
Step 4: Take a 1-quart plastic bottle. Fill it from the utility sink
of a local gas-station (where the mechanics wash their hands). Let the
bottle sitin the sun for 2 or 3 hours until it's good and tepid. Seal the
bottle up(kinda, sorta) and drag it through a ditch or swamp. Walk to a busy
Place your spaghetti-strainer on your head and drink the swill-water
from the bottle while doing deep knee-bends along the side of the road.
Step 5: Get some of those Dutch wooden-shoes. Coat the bottoms with
90-W gear-oil. Go to the local supermarket (preferably one with tile
Put the oil-coated, wooden shoes on your feet and go shopping.
Step 6: Think of a song from the 1980's that you really hated. Buy
the CD and play 20 seconds of that song over and over and over for about 6
Do more deep knee-bends
Step 7: Hill training: Do your deep knee-bends for about 4 hours with
the salt-soaked spaghetti-strainer on your head, while you drink the warm
swill-water and listen to the 80's song over and over (I would
recommend "I'm a cowboy/On a STEEL horse I ride!" by Bon Jovi). At the end of 4
hours, climb onto the hood of a friend's car and have him drive like a
lunatic down the twistiest road in the area while you hang on for dear life.
Step 8: Humiliation training: Wash your car and wipe it down with a
chamois-cloth. Make sure you get a healthy amount of residual soap
and road-grit embedded in the chamois. Put the chamois on your body like
a loin-cloth, then wrap your thighs and middle-section with cellophane.
Make sure it's really snug. Paint yourself from the waist down with black
latex paint. Cut an onion in half and rub it into your arm-pits. Put on a
brightly colored shirt and your Dutch oil-coated wooden shoes and go
shopping at a crowded local mall.
Step 9: Foul weather training: Take everything that's important to
you,pack it in a Nylon corodura bag and place it in the shower. Get in the
shower with it. Run the water from hot to cold. Get out and without drying
off, go to the local convenience store. Leave the wet, important stuff on the
sidewalk. Go inside and buy $10 worth of Gatorade and Fig Newtons.
Step 10: As Archimedes hypothesized: "Use a simple lever to move the
Earth from one place to another". After doing that, go around your house
and lift heavy things that you never imagined a person could lift. Surprise
Do 1,000 sit-ups. Then 10,000. Eat lunch. Repeat. Argue with every
girlfriend/boyfriend you've ever known and be RIGHT. Solve all the
problems of politics, faith and economics. At the end of the day, get into a
huge tub filled with hot soapy water and relax, because tomorrow is another
Step 11: Headwinds training: Buy a huge map of the entire country.
Spread it in front of you. Have a friend hold a hair-dryer in your face. Stick
your feet in taffy and try to pull your knees to your chest while your
friend tries to shove you into a ditch or into traffic with his free hand.
Every 20 minutes or so, look at the huge map and marvel at the fact that you
have gone nowhere after so much hard work and suffering. Fold the map in
front of a window-fan set to "High".
Author : Unknown (This came from the following website

   RE:MISC:   All too true posted by Warren on 4/26/2002 at 12:58:06 AM
THAT is funny. Thanks Keith.

   RE:RE:MISC:   All too true posted by Oscar on 4/26/2002 at 10:32:53 PM
So when's the next tour? Excited?

WANTED:   68cm, Extra Extra Large frame or bike rd/tour posted by: Craig Hockmeyer on 4/25/2002 at 8:39:02 PM
Fuji made a Sagres, 27inch center to top. Any others? Used customs? any leads appreciated.

   RE:WANTED:   68cm, Extra Extra Large frame or bike rd/tour posted by David on 4/26/2002 at 8:19:41 PM
I test rode a Panasonic 27" about 1976. Too big for me! My bigger brother has a bike that size, though.

MISC:   hike bike run posted by: rickey@knowlesbicycle334-756-7561 on 4/25/2002 at 8:10:26 PM

AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by: Kevin K on 4/25/2002 at 7:36:51 PM
Hi. I picked up a nice AD/Puch today at the swap meet. It's an Alpina. Made of 2700 tubing, 2500 on the forks. Sticker says Cro- Mo. Ever heard of this tubing. Full Huret group. Weinmann 700's. Overall an ok bike but not of real high quality. Really tall frame. Info on this bike would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 8:36:26 PM
I think classicrendezvous.com has an AD page. They made some nice 531 bikes. Cro-mo is an unbranded chrome-molybdenum steel tubing, a cut above plain carbon tubing. What Huret group? Alvit would be pretty low-end. Jubilee, however, would be very cool.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Kevin on 4/25/2002 at 9:05:37 PM
Hi Keith. This doesn't look like any Huret group I know. It's probally a late 70's or early 80's group. To be honest this looks like a Campy Valentino sorta group but with Huret on it. I saw 2 Schwinn's there. A 1960 Conti in Coppertone and a 1961 Varsity. Both had those funky front derailleurs. Paint and decals were ok on the Conti. I passed on picking up a pretty straight 1966 Varsity for $20. I offered $10, the guy came back a bit higher. I then spotted the AD. End of story. I'll look up the AD site and thanks, Kevin

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Kevin K on 4/26/2002 at 12:18:06 PM
Hi Keith. Um this I think is one of those really so so Huret groups. The front derailleur is the same look as the late 70's Schwinn front derailleurs. I'll just search out a nice Japanese group. I saw a real nice Schwinn Superior yesterday. Not the filet brazed 70's bike but an 80's piece. Almost NOS guality. Full 531 frame / forks. Full Campy Group. $350 was the asking price. Frame was way too small, possibly a 20". The lug work was so nice, do you know who made the lugs? Kevin

   RE: Superior posted by Eric Amlie on 4/26/2002 at 12:43:29 PM
Was that Superior orange? Sounds like the same bike at the same price that I have seen at a couple swaps here in Wisconsin. That frame is actually a Paramount frame. I have heard Schwinn was trying to use them up for some reason so they made these Superiors with the Pmount frame but with a downgraded Campy Grand Sport groupo. I beleive those lugs are Nervex.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Keith on 4/26/2002 at 2:07:54 PM
One LeTour I owned came with Sach-Huret Rival -- it was alloy and had a more traditional sized and shaped parallelogram -- maybe that's what you saw. Interesting, Berto in Dancing chain opined that "it ought to shift well." That indicates to me that he never tested it, so I'm not sure why he offered any opinion at all. I personally thought it sucked and I replaced it with Suntour almost immediately. The front Rival was okay. This is pure apocrypha, and I'm no Paramount expert, but I once heard that in the final years of the Chicago "Cage" Paramounts in the late 70s Nervex became an option and plainer Prugnats were used. I've never seen one like that -- could be fiction.

   Steyr [AUSTRO]DAIMLER PUCH posted by John E on 4/26/2002 at 2:35:46 PM
If it fits you, the frame is a keeper, although it may be difficult to find replacement parts for its Swiss-threaded BB and French-diameter fittings. Austro-Daimler frames are well-made and durable. Classic Rendezvous has some material on the only two Austrian marques I have seen: Capo and Steyr/AustroDaimler/Puch.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Kevin K on 4/26/2002 at 2:42:01 PM
Hi Eric. Hi Keith. Eric, yea the Superior was orange. Nice uh! Yea I thought those were Nervex lugs but I'm not too educated yet at the high end stuff. I'm at 5'9" but I ride 24 and 25 in. frames so it was way small. There is a Paramount out there for $1000 also. I'll check out the lugs on it. Keith, I think you've nailed the Huret group. Yea it's sorta ify looking. I like original paint/decals on bikes, but if the running gear is all switched out makes no never mind to me. If I had a European group to put on this AD/Puch I would, but i don't. I've a nice NOS Suntour group that looks good on the bike so I'll probally just hang these on it. While the bike is probally just an entry level to mid level offering I've got nothing to speak of in it. Should make for an ok looking bike when done. Thank you both and enjoy life, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Keith on 4/26/2002 at 3:05:45 PM
As far as I know AD didn't make any real low-end bikes -- John -- does that sound right? It sounds like a solid mid-range bike that you can really get a lot of fun use out of, and be proud to own and ride.

   RE:Steyr [AUSTRO]DAIMLER PUCH posted by Kevin K on 4/26/2002 at 6:01:10 PM
Hi guys.Yea the bike fits me real nicely. I bought it for the 700's and was going to whatever with the rest but it's really a pretty nice frame overall. I really can't get too turned by the Huret pieces on the bike. Already the Suntour group adds character and the larger 27" on it give it a vintage look. So original or not, it'll be a nice looking AD that my friends on oldroads again gave me good advice on. As always, thank you. Kevin

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Bill Putnam on 4/26/2002 at 9:21:21 PM
I'm not sure who owned the name at the time, but I pulled a late 80's era Puch out of the trash and discovered that rather than being an Austrian bike the frame was made in Taiwan. The components are mostly Tiawanese copies of Japanese components with the exception of Shimano deraillers. Quality appears to be much lower than the Puch Cavette II I bought new in 1980. The Cavette II was a "low end" model with carbon tubing, steel Rigida rims, Weinmann center pull brakes, Sun Tour deraillers and so on. The finish on the Cavette II was much better than the later Puch I trash picked. I didn't find any Austro-Daimler labels on the later Puch. The Cavette II had a label on it that indicated it was built by Austro-Daimler in Austria.

Although I would place the later Puch above a department store bike, it is much closer to that end than to the full Reynolds 531 Austro Daimlers and Puchs.

Bill Putnam

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Kevin K on 4/27/2002 at 3:31:01 PM
Hi Bill. This bike is Austrian made, that much I know. As for components I now think I'm going to outfit it with European pieces. I've a full NOS Weinmann brake set up I picked up. With garage sale season upon us I should be able to find something ? from Europe. Do you know anything about 2700 and 2500 tubing quality? Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   AUSTRO-DAIMLER/MADE BY PUCH posted by Keith on 4/29/2002 at 5:00:06 PM
I do recal seeing low-end bikes with the Puch name -- same as UO-8 or Raleigh Record.

MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by: Keith on 4/25/2002 at 5:17:41 PM
Picture me riding my white Bottecchia Pro in busy downtown traffic on a very gusty day -- now add a Peugeot UO-8 on my shoulder. At lunch today, my old friend said, "I'm throwing away that old UO-8." "No, I'm riding over to your house to get it." "When?" "Right now" So it's a typical early 70s UO-8, sans wheels, but with equally typical necessary upgrades (Shimano Crane rear, Suntour Cyclone front). Campy Gran Sport steel cotterless cranks -- certainly not original. No, they aren't the missing link between cottered steel and cotterless alloy -- just mid to late 70s Gran Sport stuff (I'm embarassed to have guessed that below). But nice looking nonetheless. They're also pictured at classicrendezvous.com with other Campy cranks. Interesting generator -- the generator is at the end of the rear fender (white Bluemel's -- basically shot) between the chainstays. A Union? I wouldn't have sought this bike out -- but since it found me the least I can do is rescue it.

   RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by smg on 4/25/2002 at 7:47:50 PM
One of the more intriguing things about finding an old lower/middle-grade bike is seeing how past owners modified them to their taste. Secret stories, if you will. And what's the bolt-circle-diameter of that crank? Thanks, Steve G.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 8:43:33 PM
I don't have a metric wrench here, but I'll get you the measurement ASAP. Get this -- I happen to know this bike hasn't been ridden for years. There's an old AYH/TOSRV water bottle on it -- half full! YUK -- maybe I should call the EPA or something to remove it!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 8:56:32 PM
I meant metric ruler.

   RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by Rob on 4/25/2002 at 11:35:23 PM
Gee...That's an interesting story...on my three times a week run, for the past month and a half I've seen an old UO-8, reasonable shape...pretty well original, with a Wrights leather seat, in the exact same spot in the bike rack, out in the open, in good weather and bad. Abandonned? Put there every day by some creature of habit? The nearest residences...condos are about 100 yards away. For the past couple of weeks I've been thinking I should attach a note..."If you want to sell your bike for $x give me a call!!!" How much should $x be...$CDN35,40...surely I shouldn't go as high as $50!!!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by Been there on 4/26/2002 at 4:03:02 AM
Is there air in the tires? Is the chain rusted? I live near a university and have seen lots of suspected abandons. I've freed a few too.

   RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by Keith on 4/26/2002 at 3:00:48 PM
There are no wheels -- but everything else it there. There isn't a spec of rust on it, and the paint and decals are pretty good -- an 8 out of 10. The owner seemed to follow the school of thought that frequently spraying lots of WD-40 or whatever all over the bike was a good thing (hey, it's better than complete neglect), the drive train and chainstays are covered with a thick layer of black sludgey road grit with oil.

   LIBERATE IT!!! posted by Stacey on 4/26/2002 at 6:10:46 PM
If it's bound by a dime store bicycle lock... those ones that have four thumb wheels with six digits each. It's only a matter of moments to open one... even not knowing the combination. Just start at 1-1-1-1 and progress towards 6-6-6-6, somewhere you find the "Magic" number. A quick squirt of WD-40 makes spinning those wheels much faster.

Take it home, give it a bath, shod it with some nice alloy wheels, and ride it. All the time smiling with the satisfaction of the rescue!

   RE:LIBERATE IT!!! posted by Rob on 4/26/2002 at 6:50:09 PM
Interesting...of course, I feel I need some further comfort that I would be 'liberating' it and not actually, uh... 'stealing' it... And, if I wait too long the muni may 'liberate' it and send it off to the landfill.

   RE:MISC:   Weren't we just talking about these? -- OR -- Happy No Car Day posted by Brian L. on 4/26/2002 at 10:54:15 PM
My biggest haul ever was the annual Seattle Bike Swap a couple of years ago when I picked up my Bob Jackson. I typically ride to that event with my courier bag. That year I picked up a set of NOS, NIB HF Record hubs, used Modolo brakes, pair rims, miscellaneous other bits and the entire Bob Jackson. I was certainly pushing it to cart the lot back to my house on well trafficed streets. Thought that I was going to lose it a couple of times but made it home in one piece with loot intact.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Raleigh with Shimano 600 Aero components posted by: Steven on 4/25/2002 at 12:55:55 PM
Have you ever wanted to get a full Shimano 600 Aero DX components group? There is presently a full Reynolds 531 Raleigh frame (59 cm c/c) equipped with just such a group for sale on Ebay in Germany. The price right now with less than 51 hours left is under $75. You can see it on http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1823030515

Should anybody need some help with German translation, I wouldn't mind helping. The seller claims the bike is 13 years old.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What goes around . . . posted by: Keith on 4/25/2002 at 12:43:26 PM
Last night a friend gave me back a Dawes fixed gear I traded to him about 5 years ago. He had gone to a bike camp, and the coach was a big ixed gear advocate, so my friend just had to have one. So he traded me his full Campy SR/NR Lotus Competition for it. (The Dawes fixie cost me about $50 -- including $15 for the frame). At the time, most locals I rode with considered old friction shift stuff to be trash, and one of my friend actually threw away the Campy NR derailleurs he switched off his Autral-Daimler. Anyway, it's come home to me because he never fell in love with fixed gear. And he didn't want the Lotus back. I don't know the model of the Dawes -- it has only one set of water bottle brazeons on the downtube, and to me that's some indication that it's mid to late 70s. The headlugs have cutouts all around. Dropouts are Dawes brand. I was once told that they didn't use anything other than 531 -- anyone ever hear that? Anyone able to ID the model?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What goes around . . . posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/25/2002 at 11:26:22 PM
"Get your pleasure from Dawes!" Also, "Too good for the shed!" Two advertising slogans.

Please yell at me in a few days, I'll look it up and get some info together for you. I have info on Dawes.

Right now I'm assembling info on Falcon San Remo for this fellow. ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What goes around . . . posted by Hallyx on 4/30/2002 at 12:02:04 AM

Interesting, Keith. I've never seen a derailer hanger on a Dawes dropout, including the ones I've seen in pictures. Same with forged dropouts, only the stamped (way beefy) type. I wonder if those could indicate the approximate year or the model.

Hmmmm...wonder what Christopher Robin will find for us.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What goes around . . . posted by Hallyx on 4/27/2002 at 8:24:15 AM
WoW!! Waterbottle braze-ons? The only braze-ons I've ever seen on a Dawes are the brake and shifter cable stops. But, then I've only seen four in real life...and I own two. funky old things even require bolt-on derailer hangers (adapter claw).

Are those "Dawes" dropouts the stamped (but nicely ground) types. I've got one with forged Tange front dropouts.

I've also heard they use only 531 --- double-butted on the Super Galaxy (the one with Campy gear).

Beyond that, all I know is Dawes is the little bike company that Raleigh couldn't buy. I'll remind you next week on the back-channel, Chris. Sure would like to know more about these guys and their product.


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What goes around . . . posted by Russ Fitzgerald on 4/28/2002 at 11:28:36 PM
I've owned a Dawes Realmrider 4-speed that had no tubing stickers of any sort. The Galaxy was plain gauge 531, I think, and the Super Galaxy was the full 531 db stuff. The name is still in circulation, but I suspect it's like Falcon, it's been bought up and is now used on tig-welded stuff.

someone mentioned Falcon San Remos - I'm still kinda looking for a deal on a 23-in or so frameset. They make killer fixies.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   What goes around . . . posted by Keith on 4/29/2002 at 2:06:42 PM
This Dawes has a derailleur hanger. The dropouts are beefy and appear to be forged, with adjusting screws. Basically Campy 1010 copy. The front dropouts are Dawes as well. I suspect the Tange could indicate a replacement fork, although Tange forks showed up on everything from Schwinns to Cannondales in the 80s.

AGE / VALUE:   EBay Australia posted by: Steven on 4/25/2002 at 3:55:23 AM
Take a look at the combination hub derailleur combination selling now for A$60 (less than US $35) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1821851324

There is also a healing track bike that is supposedly from the 30's. While nice, I don't believe the dating the vendor is giving.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   EBay Australia posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 12:58:42 PM
Interesting -- something that would fit in the first (and better) half of the Dancing Chain. A local veteran friend of mine still has his Raliegh Clubman from the 50s, and it's set up with a 3-speed Sturmey-Archer with a 3-speed freewheel on a threaded driver with Cyclo Benelux derailleur.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   EBay Australia posted by Art on 4/25/2002 at 11:41:04 PM
I saw the healing bike http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1823871300
also and the only thing that makes me think the vintage might be right is that he claims to have literature on the bike. An odd thing to say if the lit doesn't match the bike. Some interesting bikes have shown up in Australia recently on ebay, esp. a Malvern Star that wasn't completely over the price-wise . A lot of track bikes coming out of there also.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by: Steven on 4/25/2002 at 3:24:49 AM
Has anybody been looking at Ebay in the various European countries? Right now there is a 57 cm GIOS in Belgium selling for less than $350 with recent full Campagnolo, In Italy there are a few nice Bianchis from the 70's and 80's also for very reasonable prices ( http://listings.ebay.it/aw/plistings/list/all/category7294/index.html ). Nothing much that I can appreciate in France. Germany has a few also...( http://listings.ebay.de/aw/plistings/list/all/category9194/index.html )

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by Tom Findley on 4/25/2002 at 12:22:00 PM
UPS charges about $3 a pound to ship packages to and from Europe.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 12:39:18 PM
There really are bargains on eBay. I recall in the past year a frequenter of this site who lives in the UK -- Peter-- was selling restored/repainted 50s Carlton frames for next to nothing. I corresponded with him for a while, and I would certainly have trusted him in a transaction. Ebay is a buyers' market -- most of the people who buy are diehard bargain hunters, so prices on some top-end stuff are sometimes low. The only caveat is that you take a risk any time you buy a bicycle without inspecting it. Check the seller's credentials, ask lots of questions about frame integrity and alignment, and always ask about internal rust (that was the one time I got stung in an internet transaction - the paint was beautiful, but inside was terminal cancer).

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by mike slater on 4/25/2002 at 12:59:23 PM
Well..you folks certainly have had different experiences on E-Bay than I have. I have sworn off ever visiting that site again!! I have gotten a couple of "OK" deals there, but never any true bargain. The tactic of buyers who jump in with a bid in the last 20 seconds of a auction, outbidding you by $1.01 sucks!! Often, the item cannot even be accessed in the last 30 seconds because someone has somehow tied it up protecting that last $1 increase. I havn't a clue how they do - and I don't care. I quit e-bay for good!

I have discovered better bargains on various newsgroups.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 2:05:50 PM
FWIW my best bargains have come from local riders who feel their vintage stuff is obsolete and worthless. Lugged steel? Friction shift? Only 5,6,0r 7 in the back? Can you really still ride that stuff?

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by Gralyn on 4/25/2002 at 8:30:33 PM
Any "bargains" I have got on e-bay have been with stuff I got at a fair price....yet it was close enough I could just go pick it up - as opposed to having it shipped. I can find a bike - bike boomer bike - for maybe $25 - $35 - which isn't bad - but when you consider I can find it locally for $10 - $20 - it doesn't seem all that much like a bargain...Then throw in $25 - $35 for shipping! So, I can find a bike on e-bay - total cost - maybe $70 for something I can pick up at a thrift store for $15. Honestly, I haven't really gotten any "bargains" on e-bay - mostly just merchandise at a typical market price....or significantly above market price.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Ebay international posted by Art on 4/26/2002 at 2:22:04 AM
Some e-bay observations...
I haven't been able to think of a toy that I had as a kid (50 or so years ago!) that I haven't found being offered for sale on e-bay.
Buy it now items can be bargains if a. the seller underprices the item and b. if you get on it early enough.
Some good bargains on overseas items get blasted by the high cost of shipping.
People will overbid on an item, most notably to me is modern music, that they could buy cheaper on Amazon.
If one is bidding on an item, last second sniping is always a reality...and while the bid may beat you buy a buck, the winner bidder may have actually out bid you by a hundred dollars.
E-bay is a better source of information for me than it is a place to buy stuff.
I don't understand why an item's reserve is not the starting price.
Nothing can replace finding something or being given something or uncovering some item when you least expect it. I'm afraid e-bay has tainted that process a little with so much stuff being bought up by dealers and pickers, but I still keep my eyes open.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Paramount on Ebay posted by: Tom on 4/25/2002 at 3:18:27 AM
Nice Paramount on ebay. Not my auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1096988150

AGE / VALUE:   SWAP MEET !!!!!!!!! posted by: Kevin K on 4/24/2002 at 7:04:47 PM
Hi all. I just came from Memory Lanes Swap Meet. It doesn't start till Friday but guys are already setting up. While not known for lightweight items they do show from time to time. So I saw an NOS Simplex Tour De France complete derailleur set up. Shifter, derailleur and cables. Directions too. Nice, clean.3 speed freewheel is inc. in the box. Also a tag with what hubs(?) this thing fits. It was so cool, but.......... So I think the guy said $120 would buy it. If anyone needs this I'll be happy to go back and purchase it for them. $100 just might do it. I want nothing for doing so. I also saw the coolest set of sew ups I've ever seen. The hubs were like a Phil Wood style but even funkier looking. These were thinner. A real goofy looking quickrelease too. He said $50 but...... As for myself I picked a brand new, in the box complete Modolo " Speedy " brake kit. NOS. Lever,sidepulls, cables and nice black housings. Nice, mint beauties. I gave $40, possibly a bit too much but I've been looking for brake set up to update a bike. I think these are gonna look good. Let me know if someone wants that derailleur. Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SWAP MEET !!!!!!!!! posted by Keith on 4/25/2002 at 2:48:02 PM
I recall the "other" brand of sealed hubs in the early 70s was U.S.-made "Hi-E". They were lighter than Phils, in fact reportedly the lightest available at the time. They had a very unusual quick release -- a stubby rod-like lever -- I'm not even sure how it worked. Sound like what you saw?

MISC:   What type of derailleir is this??? posted by: robertbox@angelfire.com on 4/24/2002 at 2:48:36 PM
Bare cable runs under the BB and thru the plastic guide. Then up to the the back of the seatpost tube to the derailleur . Pulling on the shifter moves the derailleur from the small chainring to the large chainring. Would this be described as a bottom pull top swing or ???? Where can I find a good description of the various derailleurs (bottom pull/top pull/ /top swing/ bottom swing ect) and how they function so that I can know what is what?


   RE:MISC:   What type of derailleir is this??? posted by Keith on 4/24/2002 at 3:21:35 PM
The book Dancing Chain has the most comprehensive catalog of derailleur types in print, to my knowledge. I don't quite follow your description because I don't understand what the cable is doing "up the back of the seatost tube." Mixte frames have different brake cable routing, but not derailleur cable routing. The driveside chainstay seems to me to be the most common and direct way. Some English 3-speeds route the shifter cable along the top tube, then down the driveside seatstay.

   RE:MISC:   What type "front" of derailleur is this??? posted by Robert on 4/24/2002 at 3:31:24 PM
I guess I should have said front derailleur?

   RE:MISC:   What type of derailleir is this??? posted by Ray on 4/24/2002 at 4:05:48 PM
The off road crowd calls this a bottom pull. What you are discussing is the nomenclature for currentl derailleurs. The book "The Dancing Chain" is pretty good for reference but the book is very hard to get right now. There were so many configurations that derailleurs and shifters went through during their evolution that you really have to focus on the period of the piece. If I told you that my derailleur works by reaching down and throwing a lever then that could be any derailleur from 1933 to present. I am just starting to get into this area of collecting so this question peaked my interest.