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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

AGE / VALUE:   SCORE!! posted by: Mike Slater on 5/13/2002 at 1:42:23 AM
After months of fruitless searching, I scored a Peugeot Super Competition (full 531) at a garage sale for $20. Didn't even haggle!! Blue with chrome forks and my size....a keeper.

The gentleman said it was all original, but I doubt it. Heres why - If you folks agree/disagree, chime in.

105 Shimano crank - pretty sure not original. should be stronglight or possibly Nevar.

Specialized hubs and Mixer rims - they are beautiful, but again, not original.

The rest appears original

   Peugeot posted by John E on 5/13/2002 at 2:17:31 PM
Nice find, Mike! I paid alot more for my 1980 PKN-10 (butted 531 main triangle only). Check the PX-10 website under classicrendezvous.com and check your serial number and decal pattern to identify your production year. (The first digit after the initial letter is the last digit of the year, as on some Schwinns.) Every PX-10 I have ever seen came originally with Stronglight cranks and (Peugeot) Simplex derailleurs and dropouts. Normandy Luxe Competition hubs, or their Atom equivalents, were also very common.

   RE:Peugeot posted by Mike Slater on 5/13/2002 at 4:34:54 PM
Yeah - I'm very pleased John. Should make a great rider with the addition of some wider bars. Has the best looking Dia-Comp brakes I've ever seen - thought they were Campy at first glance.

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia Tourist III posted by: Marrtha on 5/13/2002 at 12:50:36 AM
This bicycle was given to me recently. Three speed Suntour rear hub. I have been told the hub was built for Suntour by Sturmey Archer and is same as the AW. I am curious to know the age of this bicycle, the serial number is not in the Columbia list on this site. Number begins with either a zero or letter "O", which is slightly above the other numbers which are 5318**. There is a pic of a very similar Columbia in the photo database here, except that one is identified as a Tourist 3, instead of with the Roman numeral III. Basically that is the only difference in my bike and the one in the photo, except mine is medium metallic blue. Anyone know how to learn the age of this bike? TIA.

AGE / VALUE:   "Le Mans" bike posted by: chris on 5/13/2002 at 12:30:42 AM
i have recently picked up an older bike and am wondering if someone can identify it's make and age/value. a local bike tech told me that it is probably a 60's / 70's model and the only marking on it says "le mans" on the chain guard. it's got a shimano coaster brake and chrome fenders. that's about all i know. any info would be appreciated. thanks.

FOR SALE:   Tall-frame Panasonic posted by: David on 5/12/2002 at 4:23:34 PM
Was someone looking for a tall-framed Panasonic recently? I picked one up today. The frame is about 25 to 26" c-t and has a sticker referring to the frame as "Cr-Mo" but there's no mention of butted tubes. 27" wheels, cotterless crank, needs some help. I'd be glad to sell it cheap (even ship it from Boston) to an interested party.

AGE / VALUE:   Great old Schwin Continental & More posted by: Ray on 5/12/2002 at 3:51:53 PM
Look at this grand old post war Schwinn Continental before they went to derailleur type. Also see an antique lightweight and some unusual lightweight parts.






WANTED:   I need some parts posted by: Art on 5/12/2002 at 2:46:29 AM
I'm looking for a Suntour BL rear derailleur in working order and an older Mafac "Competition" centerpull brake (one or a set.

I thinned out my bikes recently, making some room where I needed space. I picked up a nice, big tandem, male front, mixte back that is perfect for my son and I. Tandems are so hard for me to store, that this one, a repainted silver bike, can be parked outside without damaging paint or transfers. It has Suntour dropouts, came with Sugino cranks, Mafac brakes...one racer on competition..Fiamme bars and stem. Plain but nice fully lugged steel frame. No identifying marks or names hidden under the paint. At first it was thought to be French, then consensus went Japanese. Who knows. The nice thing is that in rebuilding it I wasn't tied to any period correctness. Upright old Bmx bar/stem/support unit...around here people call them bull moose or bull nose bars (?), I chopped the bars short, old suntour thumb shifters, short reach mt levers. I wanted to be able to sit as high as possible with my son in tow. Pleischer rack. Matching black saddles and black pedals. Got some red cable housing. Slapped some red transfer letters on it. My son named it the Red Scorpion. Maiden ride this eve through a local park were the mostly new Mexican immigrants, sitting by their own bikes, gave us the thumbs up.

   RE:WANTED:   I need some parts posted by Warren on 5/12/2002 at 1:09:56 PM
I have a VT Luxe rear mech if you want it...I don't think I've ever seen a BL

   RE:RE:WANTED:   I need some parts posted by Art on 5/13/2002 at 1:31:35 AM
Thanks Warren, but I have several. I have a BL front derailleur and the remains of the rear. I was hoping to have a complete set for the tandem, but they may be harder to find than I thought. I know John E. knows about them.

AGE / VALUE:   univega sportour posted by: wes on 5/11/2002 at 1:19:05 PM
iwas in a thriftstore looking as usually looking for raleigh bikes and parts when i came across a
univega sportour 27 inch altus ls derailers andsilstar
cotterless cranks a very clean and great rider ive rode it about 20 miles and rides great what were the value and worth of these if any
thanks and keep up the good help wes

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   univega sportour posted by Art on 5/12/2002 at 2:43:10 AM
Coincidentally, I saw a mint one of these at a yard sale last weekend. Guy wanted $30 for it which for it's condition I thought was a good price. I didn't buy it so I'm not sure what he finally sold it for.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   univega sportour posted by wes on 5/12/2002 at 3:07:26 AM
thanks i gave 9 dollars for it so i didnt get hurt thank ill keep it around for a while it rides really good and is in mint condition

AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by: Gralyn on 5/11/2002 at 12:47:28 PM
I picked up a Jeunet yesterday - with mixte frame? Or better said - a ladies model. It's classic french - with french components: Rigida rims (as I was cleaning them I discovered that only one was Rigida - the other is Samir Saminox - anyone familiar with that?????? - but it looks just like the Rigida rim), Normandy hubs, Mafac brakes, Simplex Deurs, Cottered cranks, neat looking chain rings, looks like Lyotard pedals (no reflectors), the bars look maybe french. What I want to do is find a mens frame (preferably french - and build it up with all the parts from this bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Kevin K on 5/11/2002 at 2:32:51 PM
Hi Gralyn. The Jeunet is not a ladies model. A true woman's bike has sloping tubes. The mixte frame is a gentleman's bike so no need to strip it. There is one here in town I would like to have but the man selling it wants way too much. It is set up like the bike you describe only in a nice ruby red color. Gold trim on the lugs too. So do not be embarassed riding your Jeunet as it IS a gentleman's bike. Enjoy, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Frank on 5/11/2002 at 4:18:58 PM
I have 2 sets of the "Samir Saminox" rims. One set I found in the trash and they are laced to Normandy hubs, and the other set came on a ladies bike called a "Duchess" made by Vista that I had given to me from our local fire dept. (they had a bunch of bikes left over from their cheer fund this year that were on there way to the dump, and I intercepted them!) The ones from that bike are laced to Maillard hubs. I don't know anything about the rims (other than that they're French) but they seem to be good quality and fairly light for steel rims. I've got one set on a Kobe frame that I built as a fixed gear, and the other set on a Varsity that is built as a fixed. I was glad to get them, because I really like steel rims. I seem to crack them less than aluminum (I weigh 350 lbs). There is a Puegeot mixte bike in my town rotting away on a guys front porch that I stopped and asked him to sell, and he wants $50 for it, and there's another guy thats got a Nishiki mixte for $35, both more than I'm willing to spend. I'd like to have a mixte frame, but most seem to be quite highly priced. BTW, how is "mixte" properly pronounced?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Oscar on 5/11/2002 at 6:03:42 PM
Frank: I'm a wheel scrounger from way back, though I always pass on the steel rims for aluminum. I'm glad that someone wants quality steel rims, because there are lots out there in 27". As an American, I pronounce mixtie as "mix-tee". A Frenchman would pronounce it "mee-ixt".

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by schwinnderella on 5/11/2002 at 10:48:46 PM
I have a couple of jeunet for sale ,pick up in chicago area only, no shipping. One is a mixte frame ,I think mid 70's. The second is a traditional man's frame probably earlly 70's. Both need some minor going over. Price mixte $35.00 men's $45.00 or take em both for $65.00. Also have an earlly 50's hercules man's three speed $40.00,Raleigh Sport man's $40.00,Man's and woman's Triumph $50.00 for the pair,Mixte Raleigh $40.00,BSA men's three speed $60.00,some Schwinn middleweights mens $25.00- $65.00.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Hallyx on 5/12/2002 at 6:21:02 AM
Well, now I'm cofused. (What's new?) As I understand the terminology (since I was ten), on"girl's bikes" the top tube and down tube are parallel--- frequently curvy, as on the old balloon tire bikes. On a "mixte" frame, the top tube only approximately parallels the downtube, joining the seat tube about half way down. We always called those "girl's bikes."

I enjoyed riding my sister's mixte. Easy on and off, fun to hot dog on, and the sidestand was great for errands and frequent stops.

Oh, and my Belgian/French grandfather pronounced it MEEK-shteh (the second syllable was that neutral vowel sound called a shwa).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by David on 5/12/2002 at 4:22:27 PM
Re Mixte frames: the Motobecane, Raleigh, Fuji catalogs I have from the mid 70s all refer to the mixte frames as "ladies'." They are all offered in smaller sizes than the "men's" frames and, when models are in the photos, women are always shown with them.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Jeunet posted by Steven on 5/12/2002 at 6:34:44 PM
Mixte in French would be the equivalent in bicycle parlance of the English word 'co-ed'. It would never be considered a true Man's frame, but would be considered acceptable for use by either sex. The difference between a mixte and a 'woman's' frame are as follows. The woman's frame top tube stops at the seat tube whereas the mixte always has two additional stays that go from the dropouts (or seatstays in some cases)to the seat tube. This is to return a bit of the frame rigidity lost to not having a diamond frame. Most mixte frame actually have two smaller diameter tubes that go from the head tube to the seat tube, where the tubes are attached either with or without a lug to the seat tube and then continue on to either the drop outs or seatstays. For pronunciation, it is considered to be a one syllable word and would be sounded out 'Meekstuh'

AGE / VALUE:   raleigh competition gs posted by: karl on 5/10/2002 at 11:44:28 PM
hello, i came across a raleigh cpmpetition gs. campy for most things(hubs, seatpost, shifters, dia compe brakes, etc. the guy took off the front der. it is in great shape. i don't have any storage right now and would like for someone that cares, to own this bike. he said it was 23" c to c? i have not measured it my self. anyone interested. don't know what it would be worth to someone. thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh competition gs posted by Dick on 5/11/2002 at 12:18:27 AM
Where are you? What city?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   raleigh competition gs posted by wes on 5/11/2002 at 1:06:47 PM
where is the bike located and what kind of a price might you want
thanks wes

AGE / VALUE:   Dia-Compe Brakes posted by: Gralyn on 5/10/2002 at 3:19:45 PM
I have several bikes with Dia-Compe brakes. One in particular has "Dia-Compe 500" brakes. Does anyone know if there is any significance to the "500"? Was this a little better? Worse? I have no clue.

I also have an old mid 70's Japanese bike with Shimano Tourney brakes. Were these low-end, mid, high for Shimano?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dia-Compe Brakes posted by Warren on 5/10/2002 at 4:20:37 PM
The Tourney were entry level. I'm not sure about the Dia-compe 500 set. I do have a set of Dia-compe NGC 400 sidepulls from the mid 80's that are stellar high end brakes. They resemble campy SR brakes but seem to work even better. Maybe the 500's were the next generation of premium brakes.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dia-Compe Brakes posted by Steven on 5/10/2002 at 8:48:12 PM
The tourneys were actually the entry level alloy brakes. At the time Shimano also made many lower end models out of steel. The tourneys as such were more correctly mid-range when compared to all other manufacturers but perhaps highish range for Shimano, prior to their entry into the Dura-ace range... They are however nothing special.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dia-Compe Brakes posted by Steven on 5/10/2002 at 8:52:22 PM
I forgot to mention that I was under the impression that the number on the Dia-compe brakes was relative to the length of the calipers. The longer the caliper, the higher the number. As a rule this would normally mean that the higher the number the lesser the quality as the longer calipers flexed more and offered lesser braking.

     Dia-Compe Brakes posted by John E on 5/10/2002 at 10:09:03 PM
True. Weinmann used a similar numbering system, with 500 denoting a very short-reach sidepull, 730, a long one. The Vainquer 999 model centerpulls came in two lengths, as well (610 and 750?).

   RE:  Dia-Compe Brakes posted by Gralyn on 5/11/2002 at 12:30:57 PM
Thanks for all the info. I'm learning more and more all the time. I'm amazed at all this interesting information.

AGE / VALUE:   Ebay: Historic Ti Bits posted by: desmo on 5/10/2002 at 3:08:32 AM

Ti Campy dropouts, only seen these once before. Also listed by the same seller, a very early Pino Ti stem and lugset along with some other bits. I don't know what they're worth but these are an interesting set of items.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ebay: Historic Ti Bits posted by Steven on 5/10/2002 at 5:02:58 AM
Why anybdy would make titanium drop-outs with mudgaurd eyelets is beyond me. Maybe age is making me sceptical but I have great difficutly believing the story.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ebay: Historic Ti Bits posted by Steven on 5/10/2002 at 5:03:12 AM
Why anybody would make titanium drop-outs with mudgaurd eyelets is beyond me. Maybe age is making me sceptical but I have great difficutly believing the story.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ebay: Historic Ti Bits posted by Aldo Ross on 5/10/2002 at 5:34:29 PM
They probably have fender eyelets because they were forged using the same tooling as the steel dropout, which were also supplied with fender eyelets at that time.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ebay: Historic Ti Bits posted by Steven on 5/10/2002 at 8:37:07 PM
Aldo, when did they start making both the eyeletted drop-outs and clean ones? I though it was already in the early 70's.

   mudguard/rack eyelets on dropouts posted by John E on 5/10/2002 at 10:14:13 PM
Yes, when I worked at Bikecology [Supergo.com] in 1972, some of the racing types snobbishly insisted on framesets without eyelets.

AGE / VALUE:   Ebay: Historic Ti Bits posted by: desmo on 5/10/2002 at 3:08:32 AM

Ti Campy dropouts, only seen these once before. Also listed by the same seller, a very early Pino Ti stem and lugset along with some other bits. I don't know what they're worth but these are an interesting set of items.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Traveler posted by: Gralyn on 5/9/2002 at 5:32:05 PM
Does anyone have experience with the Schwinn Traveler. I hve one from 1986. 4130 Frame, Dia-Compe side-pull brakes, San Marcos saddle, Weinmann rims, and I think it had Sun Tour. I replaced the old foam rubber grips on the bars with some cork tape. It feels very light compared with most of my other bikes. Where did the Traveler fall within the Schwinn line?

   Schwinn Traveler posted by Eric Amlie on 5/9/2002 at 8:18:54 PM
The Traveler is grouped with the "Recreation Drop Bar" bikes in the 1986 catalog. They are ranked top to bottom as follows:

Prelude $309.95
LeTour $279.95
Traveler $239.95
World Sport $209.95
Varsity $189.95
World $184.95
Sprint $149.95

Above all these bikes (pricewise) were the Competition and Touring bikes.

   RE:Schwinn Traveler posted by Gralyn on 5/10/2002 at 11:17:27 AM
Thanks for the information!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   ITALVEGA SUPERLIGHT posted by: Randy Bauer on 5/8/2002 at 4:44:24 AM
Anyone have any info on this bike, Campy NR Equipped, drilled out dropouts, brakes and crank arms and chain wheels, Brooks Saddle Cinelli seat post/stem and bars and a Jeux De Tubes/En Acier Special frame. What years were they produced. and are there any Italvega Sites on the Web that would ave info on this bike.

     ITALVEGA SUPERLIGHT posted by John E on 5/8/2002 at 9:55:47 PM
From classicrendezvous.com:

"I t a l v e g a

"A racing bike marque devised by California bicycle importer Ben Lawee to designate his top of the line Italian made models. This example from the early 1970s has a tiny decal showing what workshop("Torresini") that actually built these frames."

When the company switched from Italian to Asian frames, the name became the more familiar "Univega."

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot record du monde posted by: Ian Williams on 5/8/2002 at 4:17:46 AM
I am just trying to find any info on a Peugeot 55 cm record du monde 10 speed. The word course is on it and 103 tubing.It has atax Phillipe Guidons handle bars, rigida back rim and peugeot derailleur, peugeot brakes. The serial number on the bottom is 124. But there is a sticker underneath with the numbers 13221 78 00101 54. Could that mean it's from 1978 and is actually 54cm? Any help is greatly appreciated. I paid 20 bucks for it, mainly because the atax handle bars have cool etchings...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot record du monde posted by Gralyn on 5/8/2002 at 11:45:35 AM
I have a similar Peugeot with similar components. Rigida Rims, Normandy high flange hubs, Simplex / Peugeot Deureillers, atax Phillippe Guidons bars, 103 tubing, the sticker at the bottom. I think mine is a 1979 or 1980. It's a Grand Sport. I believe I paid about $20 for mine. I mainly bought it for the neat looking bars and the wheels. I haven't been able to find a lot about this bike. I think Peugeot was like the Schwinn of France. There is information on the Peugeot PX-10 database...I think there is a link to it on ClassicRendezvous.com. I believe mine was more toward the bottom of the line.

     Peugeot record du monde posted by John E on 5/8/2002 at 5:52:01 PM
You have a late 1970s/early 1980s equivalent of the UO-8. Carbolite 103 is ordinary high-carbon steel. Be careful disassembling the bottom bracket fixed cup; somewhere between 1975 and 1980, Peugeot finally got smart and adopted Swiss threading.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot record du monde posted by Gralyn on 5/9/2002 at 2:25:26 AM
I looked at mine again - it also is a "Record du monde" and a Grand Sports model.