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AGE / VALUE:   schwinn bike posted by: marie on 7/15/2002 at 2:53:16 PM
I was wondering if anyone knows about a bike recently purchased at a yard sale, It is a men's schwinn light blue 27 inch tires Le Tour IV Round head plate chicago schwinn numbers 0539 serial number SG812253 on back left side of frame by tire it has a chrome molybdenum sticker directly under seat on bar according to owner all original parts, handle bars are not culed type touring-coaster type. Was wondering if is one of the few filet brazed made are they rare? collectable? it is to tall for me ,e-bay dosen't seem the best place to sell collectables, any suggestions??

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn bike posted by Stacey on 7/15/2002 at 5:15:34 PM
Hello Marie,

Check here.. http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/detail7579.html near the bottom of the page for details on the 1979 LeTour IV (Was the model continued?) But, light blue was an available color that year.

Some things are funny with the numbers you provided. The number stamped in the headbage is the day sequence, thus it would max out at 0365 Also, the serial number (rear dropout) would never start with an 'S'... it designates the month A=Jan, B=Feb, etc. Though if you mis-read the second digit, it could be a 'G' thus making indeed a 1979.

Clean your glasses :-) and have another look in good light. I think you'll find the information has changed. I know with my mypoic eyes they can be a real bear to read sometimes.

In the wind,

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn bike posted by marie on 7/15/2002 at 6:18:36 PM
No my eyes are in tip top shape so are the other 3 people that looked at the numbers and letters also used mag glass for reassurance numbers on round headplate are 0539 serial number on backdrop are s Sam G girl 812253 sg 812253

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn bike posted by Bryant on 7/15/2002 at 8:38:29 PM
I believe your eyes. The first three numbers are the day it was built, the last is the last digit of the year. So yours was put together on Feb 22,1979. I believe the Letours were made in Japan by Panasonic, so you have to go by the headbadge stamp. Good bike, nice find

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn bike posted by Stacey on 7/15/2002 at 9:01:17 PM
Duh.... My bad! Sorry Marie, Bryant is correct. Working on too little sleep and data retrival channels aren't all flowing in sync. Look for the big red 'X' on my left temple and kick swiftly. I'm such a dolt!

Enjoy the bike!

   LeTour IV posted by Eric Amlie on 7/15/2002 at 10:15:36 PM
Looks like you guys & gals got it pretty well figured out. Just to cover one unanswered question; you can see by the lugged frame that it is not fillet brazed. You don't see any lugs on the Schwinn fillet brazed frames.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   schwinn bike posted by Pete on 7/17/2002 at 1:27:45 PM
Regarding the LetourIV; see as reference: http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/detail7579.html#1979letouriv
In previous years,(76-78) the Letour is listed as being made in Japan. Were these by Panasonic? Is Panasonic a guess or does anyone know for certain?
For 79 it states "Schwinn built in Greenville Mississippi." What other years and other models came from Mississippi?
I have a LetourIV frame and it does not say anywhere it's country of origin, but there are decals missing so it may have at one time. The steerer is marked "Tange". Which doesn't prove anything either way.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Shimano 3-speed posted by: Joe on 7/15/2002 at 12:37:38 AM
I just picked up a K-Mart 3-speed for my wife to put around the neighborhood. The bike works fine except for a "clunk" in first gear. Does anyone have some web addresses for working on these hubs? I have some for Sturmey Archer but have not found any for Shimano.

MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by: Janelle on 7/14/2002 at 5:43:48 AM
A friend got this bike at a garage sale and I have never seen anything like it.. wanted information on what year and value it might have. It is a raleigh bicycle, three speed, mens bike.. it has a headlight and a generator that powers the headlight as you peddle the bike. It also has a saddlebag looking thing on the rear of the bike. It also has a round bell and everything operates and it is in excellent condition. Any ideas on the age of a bike like this? I could get pictures but it would take me a little time to get them. Any info would help

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by Stacey on 7/14/2002 at 10:45:47 AM
Janell, your description acurately describes thousands of bicycles built in the past hundred years. 3 speeds, a saddlebag, generator, and bell isn't much to go on. A bit more information about the bicycle itself would be necessary to narrow the time span and focus its identity.

What size wheels and tires? What style frame and handlebars? Where is the generator mounted... on the left rear frame -- or -- is it built into one of the hubs? Where was it made... Nottingham, England (Raleigh England) or Taiwan (Raleigh USA). What color? Is the frame lugged? Without a picture and serial numbers we need you to paint us a verbal picture of the bike.

A good place to start is eBay either at
Collectables>Transportation>Bicycles or
Sports>Sporting Goods>Cycling Just go there and type 'Raleigh' in the "Search" bar. A check of closed auctions will give you an idea of what similar bikes are selling for.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/14/2002 at 5:58:28 PM
Well said Stacey!

What size wheels? 24, 26, 27 or 28 inch wheels? Cable or rod brakes? we have a "spotters guide" here that explains this here at the page head.
On the outside hub is stamped the year the hub and probably the whole bike was made? What does the hub say on it? A.W. A.M. What?

Does this have a locking fork? What else does it say besides Raleigh?

Superbe? Sports? Tourist? What?

Parts are available here and we can refer you to other folks too. No Problem in getting it running.
Need something? Ask!

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by Janelle on 7/16/2002 at 2:49:28 AM
the bike has a front nameplate that say's 'The Raleigh Nottingham, England'. It is original paint in the color green. It's tires are Original Raleigh nylon tires 16"x2". The frame is open (sorta like a girls bike) and is heavy single bar (aprox 1 and 1/2 or 2"). The generator is built into the front hub and looks like a silver disk. There is a thumb push bell that is maked with the name Raleigh Industries with a logo/emblem. It has White rubber hand grips and white rubber peddals. It is a 3 speed on the right handlebar. It has front and rear brakes. There is a plaid cloth cover over a wood frame at the rear of the bike that is like a picnic basket or book carrier. It has headlight and tail light that work off the generator which is built into the front hub. I cannot find any serial numbers (where would I locate them?). The wheels also appear to be chrome. Thanks for you help. This bike is in mint condition and there are still some tags on it from "Wheaton" (which I discovered is a freight company that probably shipped it to the USA). Thanks again for any help you can give. If this is not enough info, I CAN get a picture and post it.. just take me a few days to do it.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by Janelle on 7/16/2002 at 3:14:37 AM
oops.. more info for you. My friend said to correct.. "mint condition".. it is NOT mint condition but it is in very good original condition. Also... it has cable brakes, the generaor that is built into the front hub says "Dyno hub, Do Not (cannot read word after the Do Not), Made in England. On the back of the generator it says "england 8 of 66 Strumey Archer" The number 28 is stamped on the wheel hub. has locking fork and locking seat. on the rubber grip that shifts the gear's it says made in England, TG .

we are rather excited about this bike. It is the most unusual bike I have seen. just that plaid and wooden framed picnic basket in the rear and the generator thrilled me. Guess I'm easy to thrill :) thanks for you help.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/16/2002 at 6:06:12 PM
This is a Raleigh R.S.W. 16 and they go for about $250.00 up to Oh, maybe 350.00 tops in there. Go to E- bay and type in Raleigh R.S.W. 16 under completed auctions. This bike has parts that are interchangable with the Raleigh Chopper bike that is so hot right now. But you don't want to part it out, it's too nice. Shame you didn't find a Chopper, they sell for more.
Still with the plad cover and it is in minty swell shape thats awesome.

I met this snarky 89 year old lady that hissed at me "No it's not for sale!" and she acted like I was unworthy pond scum and then after I politely said "Ok" and drove home I got overcome with this R.S.W.16 madness that lasted for awhile, i wound up having stainless steel spokes installed in my wheels and this meant that I had to have these spokes cut and threaded. I had put out feelers and called pals and now I have 12 of these bikes in variuos guises and the collecting of these bikes for me has finally stopped. It wore off. My pals were asking "Why this bike, Chris?"
they made these in Flamenco red, and a folding model.
Still I sit here going "OOHH Tartan rear rack bag" and I picture this bike! This bike was Raleigh's answer to the Moulton bike, the all white Dunlop 16 X 2 tires were supposed to be the cheap suspension for the bike while Moulton had real suspension in the frame.

R.S.W. means "Raleigh small wheels"
There was a Raleigh 14 inch wheels for kids.
The "Raleigh Twenty" as Sheldon hops up in his web page Sheldon Brown's Raleigh Twenty Page at http://wwwSheldonbrown.com under articles section.

The Twenty is popular and sought after they sell for like 250.00 on e- bay in there.

The Raleigh Chopper is the coolest, it is the kids bike. The R.S.W. 16 is the idiot sister to the Chopper.

Now that In think of it, that lady is probably gone by now and who knows what happened to that bike!

If you watch "The Prisioner" with Patrick Magooan you will see these bikes ridden about in "The Village" even a motorized version was produced by Raleigh it was called "The Wisp"
Yes, we had mini bikes to go with mini cars and mini skirts. All part of the swinging 60's!
Small wheel bikes are various and interesting and collectable and as you already know neat to have and ride.
In the t.v. show that had the bikes painted up in wild colors with cool little homemade awnings on the bikes that was not something available from Raleigh rather something made up by a prop maker for the show.
That green cable housing on this bike. Where you would ever find that to replace it today I don't know where to guess to look for that. Be glad you have yours intact. because you would NEVER find that in any shop.
Leo Kern had a nervous breakdown while shooting the show and he came back later on. Read the "Troyer" interview. Sheldon has a link to "The Prisoner" web page under "links"
Magooan calls the Raleigh R.S.W. 16 bikes "Stupid (or silly) little bicycles" and such. They were great in the show, nice touch. Magooan was old and crabby when he said that. I thought it was mean to say!
Bike is heavy, not for long trips. for short putting about. like "waltzing in gum boots" heavy and expensive to ship. great to display!
Be Seeing You!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by Stacey on 7/17/2002 at 12:19:51 PM
My thoughts exactly, Chris.

Just one thing to add that Chris didn't cover... The marking on the Dyno Hub says "Do Not Disassemble" with out the proper tools the magnets will loose their magnetisim. They can be re-magnetized, but why set yourself up for the aggrivation?

   RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by Janelle on 7/18/2002 at 5:34:51 AM
Chris and Stacy, thank you so much for all the wonderful information. We are just thrilled... what a find!! I would hate to tell you that we picked this bike up at a garage sale for $5 but that is exactly what we did. We also got a few other great buys at the same place. We were there early, her first customer's! thanks.. sounds like you both know a lot about bikes.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Raleigh bike with generator? posted by Stacey on 7/18/2002 at 10:28:23 AM
You're quite welcome Janell. Thrilled, you deserve to be. There's nothing wrong with finding a bargain, some of my favorite bikes have been yard sale/fleamarket/thrift store finds! As the old saw goes..."One persons junk is another persons treasure". It takes a lot of work haunting the sales, and looking at a lot of junk before you find that treasure at a bargain price. It sounds like you did real well for yourself and I imagine the seller is happy too... they're five dollars richer. LOL

Y'all come back now, hear.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Very nice Dawes Galaxy on ebay posted by: Dick on 7/13/2002 at 1:00:37 AM
There is a very nice Dawes on ebay. Late sixties/early 70's is my guess. Besides the period Campy rear der. upgrade it looks to be very good original condition. I don't know why I like these so much. Could it be that beautiful headbadge? Isn't $75 a little high for shipping? All the usual disclaimers apply (I don't know who the seller is!). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2120032610&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1026661797&indexURL=0&rd=1

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Very nice Dawes Galaxy on ebay posted by Hallyx on 7/13/2002 at 6:44:49 AM
The guy is a dealer, apparently. Twenty-five bucks for pro packaging plus fifty to ship is not too bad.

Dawes introduced the Galaxy in 1971. The Campagnolo-equipped Super Galaxy in 1972. Both names are
still in their lineup, but I don't know how long they made that particular "model." Anyone know?

That's a lovely example of a box-stock Galaxy. I expect it to go for a collector's price. The NR derailer upgrade doesn't shift as well as the Simplex it replaced (but it's sooo perty.)


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Very nice Dawes Galaxy on ebay posted by Hallyx on 7/14/2002 at 6:17:27 AM
And, with only nine hours left to go, this little gem has garnered exactly ZERO bids. Hope it closes before reserve is met, I'll make an offer direct and get my brother to drive to Ontario and pick it up.

I like that handsome headbadge too...also the round-oval-round (long) chainstays, the filigreed, windowed headlugs, the chrome blade/stay ends. If I wasn't already committed to my Dawes restoration project.....


AGE / VALUE:   Mint Olmo posted by: Tim Welsh on 7/12/2002 at 6:01:13 PM
Hi - I was worried my latest message got lost in the thread below, so I'm re-posting this:

I went back to look at the bike (Olmo at LBS - posted below). It's all Super Record (not NR), pantographed Campy stem, post & cranks. The wheels were replaced at some point, and are now clinchers with Shimano hubs. As mentioned, the Modolo brakes are the only other non-Campy parts. This bike is nearly pristine - there's no 'stretch' on the original chain, and only a few minor paint abrasions.

The owner has set a price: $700 Cdn (about $500 US?). So, is this bike a good deal at this price (obviously it's not a great deal at $700).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mint Olmo posted by Walter on 7/12/2002 at 8:46:46 PM
The non OEM wheels are a big minus. Why Modolo brakes I wonder? Usually when a bike went S. Record they kept the gruppo pretty well intact. Pantographing is a plus.

I'd consider $500US a decent price to start haggling at but if the bike is set at US$ 500 I'd consider it OK but not great. With proper wheels and calipers $500 is IMO a good price for a bike with pantographed S. Record.

Try to haggle some, it's a nice bike take a run at it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mint Olmo posted by Steven on 7/13/2002 at 4:20:02 AM
Olmo made such a range of bikes that the info that you have given is not sufficient to make any blanket statement. What type of tubing does it have? Which model Modolo brakes are on the bike? There were a number of Columbus Aelle framed Olmo bikes sold in Canada with Modolo Speedy brakes. If you have one of these with upgraded components, the price is high. If it is one of the SL tubed bikes with 'down-graded' brakes and wheels, the price is probably not out of question. I still wouldn't go for it myself for more than $500 Canadian.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mint Olmo posted by Tim on 7/16/2002 at 12:04:13 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to pass this bike by, because I realize the bikes I like best are ones that I recover from some unloved situation (even if they don't have pantographed parts). If anyone in Vancouver is interested, it's at the Bike Doctor on Commercial Drive.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Shogun Spec ST posted by: David Ray on 7/11/2002 at 10:32:03 PM
I have a circa 1980 Shogun Spec ST. Anyone able to enhance my limited knowledge about this machine. I think it is a lovely bike and would like to know more about what I have. Thanks for any and all! David

   Shogun Spec ST posted by Elvis on 7/16/2002 at 5:56:41 AM
Shogun is a company that made decent bikes and also much nicer, finer riding machines. I have a Shogun 500 road bike which came straight from the rubbish with Shimano Deore components. a touch up paint job and some fixing later, and it rides swell. And sicne it seems a touring machine [extra eyelets for racks, tripple crankset]it is also sturdy enough to thbrow on knobby tires and turn it into a semi cyclecross biek for use on the local woods. Nothing great, but it rides nice and is a good solid bike, not too heavy either. I'm no expert, but with Shogun at the least you definately have a reliable bike, maybe even a great one. Probably isn't worth a lot, but it will certainly get you around. I almost passed a guy on a Litespeed titanium road bike going up a hill yesterday on my Shogun 500... What sort of components does it have?

AGE / VALUE:   value of 67 columbia posted by: jonas poisson on 7/11/2002 at 10:13:43 PM
i was wondering if anyone had a value of a 1967 columbia sports 3. paint is in good shape and there's no rust on anything.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   cazenave posted by: karen on 7/11/2002 at 2:00:30 PM
I have a cazenave 10 speed bike i bought new in approx. 1974. It's a Sam Benoto edition
and is in top condition as it only has only been ridden approx. 100 miles.
Can anyone tell me the approx. value of this bike and anything about
sam benoto...it has olympic rings on it above his name so the assumption would be olympic rider.thanks in advance

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   cazenave posted by smg on 7/11/2002 at 4:18:13 PM
In 1973, Consumer Reports' "Bicycle Buying Guide" listed the Cazenave "Demi-Luxe" as its first choice in the $100 10-speed category. In 1981, I encountered one of them owned by a woman who was one of my painful romantic near-misses. . .sigh!
Personal soap operas aside, I was very impressed by the bike. It was your typical European entry-level 10-speed of the times - basic lugged steel frame with cottered steel crank and Simplex derailleurs. However, the orange paint was of a very high quality, and the ride seemed to be all out of proportion to the cost. (The frame fit me better than it did her.) Replacing the Simplex derailleurs with Sun Tour cured the only thing wrong with the bike, making it one of the greatest sleepers I've ever found. ("Sleeper": Something whose true value is not commonly recognized.)
The value is basically that of a very enjoyable classic ride. Bicycle collector interest so far seems to be concentrated on higher-grade bikes -- probably driven by what we fantasized riding in 1973 but couldn't afford then. The more common lower/middle grade 10-speeds don't seem to get much interest yet, even though they are probably of more historical importance in the bike boom of the 1970s; they were what more people actually bought and rode. Collectors might someday realize that there was more to the story than such fine machines as Schwinn Paramounts and Raleigh Internationals; until then, a bike such as yours ought to be enjoyed. Check out the Harris Cyclery website for good background on French bikes, and see if you can find a local bike shop that isn't terrified of working on something more than 10 years old. (Sorry - no idea who Benoto was!)

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bottom Bracket wanted posted by: Don S. on 7/11/2002 at 8:52:37 AM
Anyone have or know where to find a Swiss thread bottom bracket, about 125mm spindle, for a Peugeot UO-10 from about 1979-1980? Thanks

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bottom Bracket wanted posted by Mike Davis on 7/11/2002 at 9:07:56 PM
Harris Cyclery- http"//www.harriscyclery.com

They have TA BB's

YOur other choices would be a Phil BB but that would be >$100.
depending on crank type that you want to use, a shimano UN-72 with Phil swiss rings could work,

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:Bottom Bracket wanted posted by Brandon Davis on 7/12/2002 at 2:17:38 AM
Hi - I picked up (3) sets of NIB [new in box] Tange Swiss threaded bottom brackets at a flea market a few weeks back. No spindle, just the cups & bearings.

AGE / VALUE:   Wobbly Frame posted by: Tim Welsh on 7/10/2002 at 11:45:48 PM
I posted about this a while ago, but need more info. My 'daily rider' is an decent, but not valuable, Japanese Norco 'Mangaloy' road bike. If I coast fast with 'no hands', the whole front of the bike very quickly starts wobbling wildly from side to side. I can sometimes feel the wobble even with my hands on the bars. I have replaced the fork, tires, wheels, and the problem seems to be getting worse!

The other notable thing is that when I ride 'no hands', the frame wants to lean to the left a bit in order to go straight. I figure I must have some frame problem, but I don't know what and whether it's fixable. Why would my faithful old bike be doing this?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wobbly Frame posted by David on 7/11/2002 at 8:26:49 PM
This was a persistent problem on old BMW motorcycles, like my old 57 R50. It was worst when decelerating, but not braking, at speed - like coasting no-hands. A crucial variable was tire pressure. Raising the front pressure a little made the "wobble" worse, but lowering it made the bike understeer badly. You might try experimenting with the pressures; especially the relative pressures between the front and rear and see if that makes a difference.

   RE:Wobbly Frame posted by Tim on 7/12/2002 at 12:23:49 AM
Thanks for the responses. I do have troubles with the problem, although mildly, while I have my hands on the bars too. It's not the wheels, they're fresh & properly built. The tire pressure is interesting, the wobble got worse when I put on narrow high pressure tires. I guess this is what I get for putting a bike together from a mish-mash of found parts :o)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wobbly Frame posted by Steven on 7/11/2002 at 1:30:24 AM
The wobble is induced by how your weight is centred on the bike and has nothing to do with your frame or bike. Bikes are designed to have the weight of the rider divided over the two wheels, if you ride with 'no hands', the weight is divided differently over the wheels and the handling subsequently changes. The old adage goes: 'Look Ma, no hands!' 'Look Ma, no feet!' 'Look Ma, no brains!'

If you want to ride safely, try and stay away from all three of the above.

   Wobbly Frame posted by John E on 7/11/2002 at 1:32:52 AM
Do you ever have a wobble problem with your hands on the bars, as well? I supsect your fork or rear triangle is not properly aligned, or that your rear wheel is mis-dished or has loose spokes. Some rider-frame-wheel combinations are inherently much wobblier than others.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1970's RALEIGH RECORD posted by: Jon on 7/10/2002 at 4:17:22 PM
I am looking for a 54-56 cm BLUE Raleigh Record ten speed.
I had one in 1978? I bought from "Western Auto" in Greenfield. Any pictures, weblinks, or an actual bike for sale

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1970's RALEIGH RECORD posted by Gralyn on 7/11/2002 at 12:01:15 AM
I have a beautiful blue Raleigh Record Ltd. It is probably about mid. 70's. It is in excellent condition. I will try to get a picture for you with my dig. camera. It is probably 54-56 cm - not sure....it's not like 60 or anything.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   1970's RALEIGH RECORD posted by dick on 7/11/2002 at 1:51:52 AM
I have a ladies Raleigh Record that is available for not much money. It is in VG condition.

AGE / VALUE:   BSA posted by: Joyce on 7/10/2002 at 1:46:16 AM
Have an english 3 speed BSA (Stormy Archer on gear changer on handlebar) Husband seems to think it's worth something and won't let me throw it out - please help, I need to clean house!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA posted by Oscar on 7/10/2002 at 3:49:33 AM
I can't help your case. BSA has a wonderful name for bikes, and even if your model isn't high-end, someone will find it worthwhile to take it off your hands. Sell it to a biker. Don't give it to the landfill.

   Bike is worth $44.65 posted by Tom Findley on 7/10/2002 at 11:08:21 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA posted by Keith on 7/10/2002 at 3:19:43 PM
I agree with the above, but I'd post this in the English Roadster section to get even more discussion.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   La Perle posted by: Stan on 7/10/2002 at 12:39:24 AM
Looking for information on early 50s La Perle bikes, were many sold in the States? I have a '51 touring model with great Art Deco aluminum fenders, headite, & chain guard. a very classy machine.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   La Perle posted by MC on 7/10/2002 at 12:40:47 PM
Stan, send me your e-mail address and I'll forward some information on it. Too much material to post here. The Hugo Koblet racers are the most sought after. Thanks.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   La Perle posted by Chuck Schmidt on 7/10/2002 at 7:08:33 PM
I have an early 1950s Hugo Koblet (won '51 TdF) style La Perle. I also have two brochures from the early 1950s. Stan (or anyone else for that matter), feel free to email me and I'll send you the copies.

I have a pretty extensive list of reprinted catalogs at:
http://www.velo-retro.com but have never bothered to offer the La Perle catalogs because of lack of interest.

Chuck Schmidt, Vélo-Rétro
South Pasadena, Southern California

AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by: Tim Welsh on 7/9/2002 at 11:38:01 PM
Hi to whoever's out there. Today a local bike store has a mint, lovely, cob-webbed Olmo in. The owner is having it checked over to be sold. I didn't get a chance to check everything about it. The derailleurs are Campy NR. The frame is Columbus tubing. Modolo brakes. Most notable on it was the amazing 'Olmo' name and logo etching on the cranks and seat post - beautiful. The frame is wine-coloured (red wine, that is). Probably not enough info, but does anyone recognize this bike? Any thoughts on value? I left my name for them to call once the owner decides on a selling price. Thanks again for any guidance.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Tim on 7/12/2002 at 12:27:34 AM
I went back to look at the bike. It's all Super Record, pantographed (the stem is also pantographed). The wheels were replaced at some point, and are now clinchers with Shimano hubs. As mentioned, the Modolo brakes are the only other non-Campy parts. This bike is nearly pristine - there's no 'stretch' on the original chain, and only a few minor paint abrasions. The owner has set a price: $700 Cdn (about $500 US?). So, is this bike a good deal at this price (obviously it's not a great deal at $700).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Warren on 7/10/2002 at 3:52:33 AM
If the components are pantographed Campag they are desireable. If they are Ofmega...much less so. What Columbus tubing...what about the hubs, rims, stem, bars, condition etc.

If the seller hasn't decided on a price, then they may be fishing. I wouldn't pay a lot for this bike without knowing lots more.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Tim Welsh on 7/10/2002 at 11:43:33 PM
I know I didn't get enough info, but I don't want to go back and show too much interest in the bike & maybe drive up the price. The condition of the whole bike is absolutely excellent, the paint even looks fresh.

What the heck does "pantographed" mean anyway. Is that the 'etching' I was talking about? Does that mean that the seat post and cranks are not made by Olmo, but are Campy or Ofmega with the Olmo name on them? Are there still Campy or Ofmega identifiers on the components somewhere?

No matter what, I don't intend on spending a whole lot on this bike - I only grab the amazing deals (or else I'd have even more than too many bikes in my garage).

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Olmo posted by Walter on 7/11/2002 at 2:01:58 AM
Pantographing is indeed the "etching" you described. Pantographed Campy stuff is generally considered pretty desirable. Very few bike makers also produced their own gearing and drivetrain components so your derailleurs, crank and etc would not be Olmo but Campy or Ofmega and there might be a couple of other options depending on vintage. In any case the components esp. if Campy will have their name displayed particularly on the derailleurs.

Olmo is (was?) a very large make with a wide range in quality and desirability. Could be a very nice bike or a very plain bike. I understand you don't want to tip your hand but you need another look at this bike to determine a fair offer.

MISC:   Bearing sizes? posted by: David on 7/9/2002 at 2:00:45 PM
As I was putting together the ebay Paramount, I found one of the Atom pedals had no bearings at all! I was surprised that this French part used the same old 5/32 bearings that everything else uses. Is there such a thing as metric sized balls? How rare are they?

   RE:MISC:   Bearing sizes? posted by smg on 7/9/2002 at 3:28:59 PM
There probably are metric ball bearings, but this would seem to be a place where the two measuring systems nearly coincide. 5/32" is .15625" which converts to 3.96875mm. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the original bearings were 4mm. I doubt if I could tell the difference with my vernier caliper, and the difference would be taken up by the normal tolerances.

   RE:MISC:   Bearing sizes? posted by David on 7/9/2002 at 10:23:37 PM
I miked the new and the old balls and the reading was indistinguishable.