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MISC:   2n Annual Kansas City Bicycle and scooter Swap meet posted by: Calvert on 7/18/2002 at 4:18:09 AM
Just a reminder....it's now 1 1/2 weeks away.
Sunday June 28th at 6am

Last year's event was an enormous success.

El Torreon (Kansas City) Bicycle Swap Meet page:

I'll be there primarily looking for old touring and light weight stuff. Last year I found a Gitane Interclub in my size--chartruesy green that matched a pair of Coloral aluminum bottles I have. I also scored several french crank sets...2 Stronglights and a TA. I was great to see so many retro grouches and othe rlight weight folks turnout with stuff to sell. We have maybe 7 CR list members in the KC area and most attended.

Seems like most of the shopping I do these days is on Ebay.
I really miss getting to meet old friends and actually handling the goods before parting with my hard-earned bucks.

I'm gonna try to get up to Alan Kinsey's long-enduring swap
in Des Moines later this year but meanwhile in the heat of the
summer, this swap in KC is the best in the MidWest.
We even have a Pub Cruise the night before.

Collectors and pickers from all over have been calling in
for directions and information so we've had to scramble
to arrange for more space.

Check out our Web Site for details
& let me know if you have further questions.


AGE / VALUE:   1976-1977 Raleigh International posted by: David Ross on 7/18/2002 at 2:51:58 AM
I have an all original, Copper, 1976-1977 Raleigh International in mint or near mint condition that I would like to sell. Can anyone give me an idea of the value? Thanks very much.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1976-1977 Raleigh International posted by David on 7/18/2002 at 11:04:46 AM
Watch ebay for a while. Bikes like these seem to sell for 2 to 400 bucks, depending on everything. Too bad it's not a Peugeot; they sell like crazy to the Japanese.

WANTED:   Bianchi posted by: Gralyn on 7/17/2002 at 2:38:52 PM
Well, I have nothing in my "collection" from Italy. I have been keeping my eyes open for a Bianchi. I found a couple on e-bay...frames, that is. I can't lay down several hundred dollars for one of these....but there were a couple of frames that went for under $100. But, I got out-bid in the final seconds. I think it's going to end-up frustrating trying to pick up one on e-bay. If anybody has a decent frame they would be interested in selling - please let me know. Or, if anyone know's where I might be able to find one...
....or any decent Italian bike.

   RE:WANTED:   Bianchi posted by Keith on 7/17/2002 at 5:58:28 PM
Don't go for just any Bianchi -- they've always made a wide range of models, including low-end. Moreover, not all Bianchis are made in Italy -- as with many big names, production of lower models has been switched to Asia.

   RE:WANTED:   Bianchi posted by Steven on 7/17/2002 at 7:24:56 PM
I know it is more than the frame only that you are looking for but the Rossin mentioned below is quite a deal at the present price.

   RE:WANTED:   Bianchi posted by MC on 7/17/2002 at 11:12:27 PM
What size? What vintage?

     Bianchi posted by John E on 7/18/2002 at 1:17:11 AM
Keep looking, and good luck. You DO want at least one steel Italian frame in your stable. (Sorry, my 53cm C-C, 1982 Bianchi is not for sale!) You can save some money and lose very little, if any, performance, by buying a "tre tubi" Campione d'Italia frame, which has Columbus main tubes and butted CrMo stays and forks. Complete bikes similar to mine have been selling in the mid $200s on eBay.

   RE:WANTED:   Bianchi posted by smg on 7/19/2002 at 8:26:42 PM
How about a Benotto? Somebody (not me) is offering a very nice-looking old 22" frame on eBay - # 1844905925.

FOR SALE:   FA: 1981 Rossin Super Record posted by: Greg on 7/16/2002 at 10:05:21 PM
Please check out http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1843602962 for a nice vintage user. Ends
Friday night. Email me if you have any questions.



AGE / VALUE:   serial number on Raleigh bike? posted by: Susan on 7/16/2002 at 3:46:10 PM
I am trying to date a Raleigh bike. It's in very good condition. We found it along with other bikes in the sub-basement of the house we bought. I can not find a serial number on it anywhere! There are no handbrakes, it's a pedal backwards and no changing gears. It looks to me like something from anywhere from the mid to early 60's to early 70's? But then I don't know much about bike styles. I would gladly post a picture if it would help anyone. It's certainly worth cleaning up and riding but I would love to know more about it. Thank you so much for any help you can give. Susan

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   serial number on Raleigh bike? posted by Tim Welsh on 7/16/2002 at 10:56:10 PM
Hi Susan. Sounds like you have a Raleigh Roadster. There's a page on this site for Roadster fans - post to that one, but try to find more details (such as what is written on different parts). There are also other resources for identifying and dating old Raleighs - look around.

WANTED:   Rigida Rim - Rear - 700cm X 20cm posted by: Gralyn on 7/16/2002 at 1:37:11 PM
I have a Rigida rim for the front. The tire on it is 700 X 20 cm. I suppose it's like a 3/4" rim? It has 32 spokes...or the same number most wheels have. I would like to find one like it for the rear - but I don't know where to begin looking. I have checked on e-bay - but have not seen anything. Where should I look for something like this - it's probably something not made anymore.

   RE:WANTED:   Rigida Rim - Rear - 700cm X 20cm posted by Rob on 7/16/2002 at 7:19:00 PM
Where I live (Vancouver), Rigida rims of different types are really easy to find. Are you sure it's 32 spoke? ...that might be a bit tougher. I would just check any of the usual old bike places. Consignment stores, 'non profit' type bike stores, thrift stores...you might find an old bike and buy it just for the rims...maybe a matching set!! If it's actually a newer type rim, you could likely just buy a matching one as NOS in a 'road bike' shop...probably in a clearance sale.

   RE:WANTED:   Rigida Rim - Rear - 700cm X 20cm posted by Gralyn on 7/18/2002 at 2:29:16 AM
I found a set today: 700 X 25 cm Araya rims with continental tires. They were on a LeMans bike (very light bike) I got it all for $15. They weren't the 20 cm rims - but they will do.

AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh road bike with wierd side mount light, is it really old? posted by: Elvis on 7/16/2002 at 5:37:09 AM
Hi all. I got a Raliegh road bike and am wondering what it is. The bike was repainted red and white fade and appears to have been converted to a cycloss bike; had only the smaller chainring on the front and knobby tires. Cottered Cranks, old Huret rear deraileur. Single down tube shift lever--there is no mounting for another so it looks like this isn't original, as frame has braze on down by BB for second cable to shift front, though it appears to be from the same time period as the rear deraileur, which is a wierd, rather sturdy design with two horazontally opposed [adjustment?] screws on the arm. Over the paint are decals; one says "Topaz". But the bike clearly has a Raleigh heron on the head tube. Pump pugs built into underside of top tube -- top tube itself seems rather long but maybe that's just me, or a result of the seat tube angle... Nice simple lugs come to one backwards point. GB stem, sidepull Weinmanns. Wierd thing is, the fork [which appears to be original] has a bolt hole on right side, as if for a light. My old 1950's Rudge has something similar, only the bolt on this one sticks out an inch at least, yet appears original, whereas the Rudge bolt when screwed in fit more or less flat. Moreover, None of the low-end, older, cottered cranks Raliegh's from 1960's, etc. I've come across [Records, Grand Prixs, etc] had a fork with a light mount, and none had pump pegs... Original paint shows thru on bottom of BB and by seat bolt, appears to be a medium blue color. Forks don't appear to have had any chrome on them. Any idea if I stumbled on a unique find? The bike is currently unrideable, needs new cranks as one side is loose, so I probably won't keep it cept for parts if it isn't too old or odd. Any info appreciated. Thanks!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh road bike with wierd side mount light, is it really old? posted by David on 7/16/2002 at 11:09:11 AM
That should be a headlight mount. It sounds like an older sportier "club" bike. Try taking off most of the heavy parts (wheels, chain, etc) and see how heavy it is; maybe it's an old 531 frame.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh road bike with wierd side mount light, is it really old? posted by Steven on 7/16/2002 at 3:22:13 PM
The fact that the headlight mount is on the right side of teh fork shows that this was a bike made for a country riding on the left (likely Britain, but it couldbe Australia, Japan, India or any of many other countries)As mentioned by David, this could be a nice bike with Reynolds frame, even if unlikely. The fact it has only one braze-on points to an older bike but not necessarily that it was only 5 speed, there were some shifters that used one braze-on and one clamp on.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raliegh road bike with wierd side mount light, is it really old? posted by Tim Welsh on 7/16/2002 at 11:00:19 PM
I have a 1940's Raleigh Clubman - full 531 frame. It has the same light mount you mention. I am told the bike is of signficant value, but mine has orginal paint and parts. Don't know about value for yours, but it could be a great old frame to get back on the road.

AGE / VALUE:   western flyer posted by: wes on 7/16/2002 at 3:00:03 AM
ive a western flyer single speed 1 3/8 x26 tires paint and rims all are good condition rides excellent are there any value to this bike it was sold by western auto looks like earley 60s half rubber pedals thanks wes

AGE / VALUE:   MAFAC posted by: Oscar on 7/16/2002 at 2:37:13 AM
What is the difference between Mafac "Competition", "Racer" and "Doral Forge" centerpulls?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   MAFAC posted by Warren on 7/16/2002 at 12:16:38 PM
Dural Forge were speced from the 50's thru the 60's. Early ones had bronze bushings at the pivot points and are collectable. Racer brakes replaced Dural Forge (although they still have Dural Forge on them) around 1970. Competition were as they suggest, a better model with nicer fit and finish. I don't know what period they were from.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   MAFAC posted by Chris on 7/16/2002 at 5:34:30 PM
"Competition" is like $160.00 a pair, "racer" is bottom range and common still they sell for like 35.00 a set.
If it's cheap, snap it up.
Dual forge is good.
"Driver" model is sought after
Tool kits? grab em
Look, Go to the "Cyclart" web site and parade thru the parts for sale section and see what he asks for Mafac brakes,
This is where I went to "Mafac 101 school" with "Prof. Cunningham"
Now next, you go find a old shop someplace.
Just grab the whole wooden box/ drawer marked Mafac, dump it on the glass case, get a box and just tear away and swallow it all.
Now that wood drawer marked Simplex, empty it. The Juy Simplex 543 derailer is like $1,400.00 each
They have sixteen of these derailers? good God!
Campagnolo? take it all. Simplex, Huret, Sturmey-Archer.
Just have that huge truck and four young men with hand trucks clean it all out.
Now to the basement. We stand to gasp at it all. There is stuff everywhere! It's unbelivable! This is just the inventory, remember the property/building is worth a pretty penny too.
All those lovely old bikes hanging in the basement!
Old tools, take them all. Well figure it out later!
Just don't fall down the stairs like Roger did, and be yelling "My hip, My hip, I think I busted my hip!" We don't have time to be driving you to the hospital!
We sit with beer and pizza and he asks "Where did you find this place?"
Whatever you do, even if they torture you, Never give away a location until you have it all stashed away safely in YOUR wharehouse!
When they ask, you say "Na it was already all picked over!" You play it cool, downplay it. Let them think you have nothing.

Go to the Cirque with something nice you got for a song and hobnob with the elite in this crazy game. It's fun,it's educational but a bit snooty,still that's part of the fun!
Sorry, I got to remembering past adventures, all those Mafac parts everywhere in little drawers!

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot Record Du Monde posted by: Roger Hinman on 7/16/2002 at 12:37:06 AM
My wife, Cathy, recently found this Peugeot at the town dump during the monthly scrap metal recycling day. Someone had dumped it off, and the people working the site thought it was too nice to just scrap, and told Cathy that she could have it if she wanted it. So she gave it to me, knowing that I am was a touring nut back in my youth during the seventies/eighties. So I pumped up the tires, replaced the brake cables and went for a ride. The red paint is faded, but no rust, scratches, dents or other signs of abuse. The tire valves have a lock nut at the rims, which are embossed, brake pads and tires are hardly worn, and the Avocet Touring I seat is in nice shape. All the decals are there, as is the one from the dealer in St. Denis, Quebec. Mafac center-pull brakes and Simplex shifters and derailleurs. 3-piece cottered crankset and 13-26 tooth five speed rear hub. I like the bike, which is what matters, but what is the history of this model, and it's value?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot Record Du Monde posted by Rob on 7/16/2002 at 7:06:31 PM

With the cottered crank, I would say it's almost certainly going to be a UE-8 or UO-8...does it have a lot of brazons for lights and light wiring? Ugly pump pegs on the downtube? Fenders? Rear rack? The tires have presta valves which may or may not have been original...are the rims alloy or steel? UE/O-8's came with steel? Is there black with gold trim at the top of the seat stays? To me that would say early 1970's...without a few years later.

These bikes, assuming it's UE/O-8, are fairly common and not worth a lot. In Vancouver (BC) you can easly get them in good shape for around $50CDN...and the equivalent in US $ is likely typical in the parts of the the US were they are common, ie CA, WA, MA and I guess other NE states.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot Record Du Monde posted by Roger on 7/16/2002 at 11:12:48 PM
Thanks for replying. There are the ugly braze-ons for the pump on the down tube as well as for the shift cables and the shifters. There are also braze-ons for the brake cables on the top tube and for the shift cable on the rear stay. Each lug has a nicely fitted brass cap for the cable housing. There are no braze-ons for lights, fenders, etc, and I do not think there is enough clearance for a fender underneath the brakes. There are no marks on the paint to show that anything has been mounted to the bike other than what is on there now. Also, there is no shield behind the rear cluster. The front fork is half chrome with a chrome crown. The paint and decals match the rest of the bike. The hubs are aluminum with chrome rims and are quick-release front and rear. The front forks and rear stays do have eyelets for a rack: 2 each side for the front and 1 each side for the rear. The seat stays have the black w/gold trim at the top. Aside from the Peugeot labels, the only manufacturer label is the Record Du Monde on a banner above the lion on the seat tube. It also has a bipod kick stand, which may or may not be original. Could this bike have been modified a bit? (When I got finished with my old Takara back in 1978, there was nothing but the crest on the head tube to identify the make and no original components were re-used). I understand the UE/0-8 had a low quality frame. There is no Reynolds 531 label, but a label that reads "Tube Special Allege Peugeot". The lugs have intricate cut-outs that are clean and crisp, and the brazing is excellent. If the entire bike weighs thirty pounds then I am stronger than I think. Have I confused you? Please let me know what you think, or if you know of someone I can contact for more information. I am really intrigued by this bike now. If nothing else it has personality.

     Peugeot Record Du Monde posted by John E on 7/17/2002 at 1:05:28 AM
It is most likely a UO-8, pre-1974 if it has downtube shifters, post-1973 with stem shifters. If it has wingnutted low-flange hubs instead of QR high flange and a painted instead of half-chrome fork, it would be an AO-8, instead, but I have never seen an AO-8 in red. My wife still has the red 1973 Peugeot UO-8 frame I ordered when I worked at Bikecology; we should compare serial numbers.

The UO-8 is nothing special, but it was far better than the low-end "10-speeds" from Huffy, Murray, and even Nishiki. They retailed for about $120 in 1973.

   RE:  Peugeot Record Du Monde posted by Roger on 7/18/2002 at 1:34:04 AM
Hi John!
It sounds like we are getting closer. It has high flange hubs with quick release and black plastic nuts. The serial number is 1767052. It is stamped into a plate riveted to the underside of the BB. If it was re-painted and had half-chromed forks added, it was very professionally and throughly done. I work for an auto dealer and get to see this kind of work nearly every day. Too much expense and work for a bike, I would think. Unless you really, really love it. I wish I had a scanner so I could get a photo online. Let me know.

AGE / VALUE:   legnano bike posted by: mark on 7/16/2002 at 12:40:57 AM
hi I recently bought a legnano competizione bike from 1981 or 82 in the classifieds for 100.00 .It has campy deralliers and shifters and weinmann 500 brakes with ofemega pantographed crank. the tubing is faulk. Does any one know how much it sold for back then . Was it the middle of there production line or the bottom .THANKS MARK

AGE / VALUE:   legnano bike posted by: mark on 7/15/2002 at 11:56:19 PM
Hi recently i bought a Legnano COMPETIZIONE FROM 1981 OR 82 IN THE classifieds for 100.00. It has campy derielliers and a ofmega pantographed crank and fork . Does any one know how much it sold for back then .THe person i bought it from said he bought it in Italy. Was it a good buy Thanks Mark

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   legnano bike posted by Fred on 7/16/2002 at 12:28:39 AM

Sounds like an interesting bike. Don't know how much it sold for, but the Campy parts are a plus. Did you want to sell it? I have been looking for a model like this. I would, of course, offer more than what you paid for it.

Please let me know, Fred

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Threading posted by: Steve on 7/15/2002 at 11:23:26 PM
I'm pretty new to lightweights....wanted to know what components I can and can not use on a 1970's French frame that has "French threading" on the bottom bracket and headset ?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Threading posted by Oscar on 7/16/2002 at 2:52:36 AM
You're already on the mark that French bb's and headsets are different from other bikes. Here's other things to watch out for: French stems are 22.0 vs 22.2 on English, Italian, and Japanese bikes. Your bike may require a French specific stem (and bars?). French seat tubes are also skinnier and will require a skinnier seatpost. Also, you may need to use a shim if you are replacing the front derailleur with a different one. Speaking of derailleurs, the rear derailleur hanger may have to be rethreaded to use a non-French mech.

Viva la dif - france

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Threading posted by ken on 7/18/2002 at 6:13:05 PM
Read all about all things Francais at www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html

AGE / VALUE:   70'S Nishiki Competition posted by: Paul S on 7/15/2002 at 6:17:31 PM
I just picked up a rather battle scared example of a 70's Nishiki Competition that I'm thinking of turning into a fixed gear. Any information anyone might have as to the relative merits, pedigree of this model would be appreciated since I can't seem to find much info on early Nishiki's.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   70'S Nishiki Competition posted by Gralyn on 7/15/2002 at 8:57:34 PM
I have a Nishiki Sport - I picked up just for the purpose of making myself a fixed-gear bike. It has the Chro-Mo frame. It works well as a fixed. I left the brakes on it - didn't mess with them at all.
However, I have an old Fuji I also converted to fixed. But - NO BRAKES! I didn't put the brakes back on it....just left them off. I've been riding it around for some time. Getting used to fixed-gear was one thing...getting used to no brakes is another! I guess it's "interesting" to ride that way.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   70'S Nishiki Competition posted by John S. on 7/18/2002 at 6:06:31 AM
I just completed building a Nishiki Competition single speed. Very nice platform to use. I believe the Competition was third from top-end, below Professional and Road Compe. A John E. posts here often - he was a great source of Nishiki history.

AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by: dafydd on 7/15/2002 at 3:48:19 PM
Man oh man, this is seriously breaking the bank for me, someone pls tell me I wasn't acting rashly. I'm hope I got a fair deal...


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by dafydd on 7/16/2002 at 2:18:45 AM
Well, I did just get a really handsome GB stem and bar combo... a resto might very well be a future plan. For now, it's going to have to stay as is. Watch, I'll crash the first time I take it out, that'll be a larf.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by smg on 7/15/2002 at 6:41:21 PM
Provided you aren't forced to subsist too long on "Top Ramen", I don't think you need to have any buyer's remorse at all. The frame is of a classic make, and those sound like excellent wheels. It ought to be a good mount for exploring fixed-gear, and if that pales, the frame has great possibilities. . .
(I looked long and hard at this one as well, but wasn't sure I wanted to wage a bidding war for a collectable frame. Besides, the auction ended at a very inconvenient time for me.) Well done!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by dafydd on 7/15/2002 at 8:21:52 PM
Ramen and late bills for about a month, i suppose it'll be worth it. I knew it's a collectable frame by the Reynolds sticker, but I'm beginning to think it's better than I first thought. I noticed it has unqique rear fender eyelets for a Raleigh-produced machine. The only other bike I could find with these eyelets is a Raleigh Record Ace of the same era (on Classic Rendezvous); did Raleigh produce a Rudge equivalent?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by Gralyn on 7/15/2002 at 9:14:25 PM
I had been looking at that one, too. I was more interested in a Bianchi frame - which I was probably going to make into fixed-gear....but it's nearing the end...and I really shouldn't spring for it. My bank is broken right now, anyway.
But, congradulations!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by Walter on 7/15/2002 at 10:17:53 PM
That's a sweet looking ride. IMO you did pretty good. Between the noodles and riding that fixie you'll be dropping any extra weight and looking good. :-)

Really nice that the prev. owner took care of the cottered cranks for you too. God, I love old bikes but hate cottered cranks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   my first fixed posted by Warren on 7/16/2002 at 12:10:35 AM
If those Suntour track hubs are the Superbe Custom Pros, then you can part them out and sell them to me for $100. Seriously, you did well with just the components. I'd even consider removing them for a proper frame and finding vintage parts for the Rudge but hey, it's your bike. Ride it for a awhile and see.