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AGE / VALUE:   1962 Huffy Sportsman posted by: swaczy on 8/27/2002 at 4:55:44 PM
What is a 1962 Huffy Sportsman man's bike worth? It is the all-steel one made in England by Raleigh with the 3 speed
SA hub. Good condition. I am not familiar with bicycle collecting. Thanks for any help.

   1962 Huffy Sportsman posted by John E on 8/27/2002 at 11:05:03 PM
It is probably worth more than an American-made Huffy, particularly if the transmission is in good shape. You might want to post on the "roadsters" discussion thread; even though your 3-speed is technically not strictly a roadster, it is similar.

   RE:1962 Huffy Sportsman posted by Chris on 8/28/2002 at 5:54:09 PM
(My feelings on the one that I have)
This particular bike was good enough to save,just barely good enough to keep, it just misses being tossed out every time collection day comes around. This bike is on thin ice with me personally. It is not good enough to put new tires on, not worth my time to overhaul. It sits there taking up space and every so often it says "Why don't you like me? I'm not that diffrent from a Raleigh Sports and look! I was made in the Nottingham factory too."
So I am effectivly stuck with this thing! I'll stash it someplace where I don't have to look at it. I have promised to keep it intact and not part it out.

Perhaps one day I'll sell it. I'm too spoiled after all the other bikes and despite the cool way it looks, that Huffy name snuffs out any potential ambition with the thing.
I'm just being silly of course. It's a sound little bike, but it would be work to find somebody who would offer anything more than $30.00 for one. It is worth saving for the parts. Those metal 3 speed cable stoppers are way cool. I have a bottle full of them and I love to find these on bikes. Other parts are handlebars, cranks, wheels, hubs, all that is period Raleigh from the early 1960's and good stuff. I'm very jealous of the folks here because they seem to be all finding way cool and better things come rubbish day and all I snag is a Sportsman!

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Serial Numbers posted by: Oscar on 8/27/2002 at 12:17:37 AM
I have a fuzzy recollection of Waterford and Greenville serial numbers working in a different way from the Chicago Schwinns. John E, if you're out there, can you refresh my memory? TIA

      Schwinn Serial Numbers posted by John E on 8/27/2002 at 3:37:03 AM
Hi Oscar,

My Team Issue KOM-10 was built in Greenville MS in June, 1988, when Schwinn was sponsoring Ned Overend. [My noncycling friends get a kick out of his surname.] Its serial number, F804069, indicates a reversion to the early 1960s Chicago Schwinn system. I hope this helps. According to waterfordbikes.com, Paramounts used various numbering systems over the years, including this one.

   RE:   Schwinn Serial Numbers posted by Oscar on 8/27/2002 at 3:48:53 AM
Back in the early punk rock days, you could tell a lot about a guy's name. Joe Strummer plays guitar, Sid Vicious was stabbed his girlfriend to death, and Johnny Rotten...well, those teeth. Ned's name is perfect for mountain biking.

Thanks for the info, John.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn Serial Numbers posted by Curt A on 8/27/2002 at 3:31:42 PM
Thanks to all for help, I am the owner of the Madison serial SE 610770 Just getting into this thing with old bikes. I love to ride and figured what the heck. I can pick up old ones for pocket change... some people just don't know what they have.
Will post some pics soon as I figure out how on this site.
Look for "Madison"


AGE / VALUE:   R26 bicycle Hungary posted by: swaczy on 8/26/2002 at 8:06:59 PM
Anyone know how to get info on an old single-speed lightweight that is marked R26 and has "Hungary" on the front? Someone suggested a brand called "Rixie", but I have not been able to get any information on that. Thanks for any help or suggestions. Serial number on frame is SB26903. A logo shows an "R" with something like wings on each side.

AGE / VALUE:   Peugeot PX 10? posted by: Greg W. on 8/26/2002 at 6:22:22 PM
I picked up an old Peugeot at a yard sale this weekend and would like to learn more about it. The frame and fork are made with Reynolds 531 and Nervex professional lugs, crown, and bottom bracket. The dropouts are Simplex with the left rear having an extended tange to serve as a wheel guide. It is painted white with black head tube lugs and seatstay caps. The downtube Peugeot decal is small without out the checkerboard pattern while the seat tube has the 531 decal, world champianship strips, Record Du Monde, and Peugot lion. The components are a mix of original and replcements/upgrades - Simplex shifters, plastic Prestige rear deraileur, steel seatpost - Campy record hubs and front deraileur - Stronglight 93 crank, steel headset, and bottom bracket - and Mafac centerpull brakes.

I've checked the Classic Rendezvous site and it appears to be quite similar to Dale Brown's bike. The serial number is 638419 which might mean it was made in the late 60's or possibly early 70's. I have been unable to access the photos at the PX 10 database site to confirm my suspicions and was hoping that some of the discussion group might be able to provide me with more information. Basically I would like to know how old it is and whether it would have any value to a collector/restorer. Thanks, Greg

      Peugeot PX 10 posted by John E on 8/26/2002 at 7:40:51 PM
If your frame and paint are in great shape, the bike is a collectible.

   RE:   Peugeot PX 10 posted by freeespirit on 8/26/2002 at 9:51:56 PM
Look on the back of pulley arm of the rear simplex derailer for a date stamp. The PX-10 website has a section on components and it shows where to look, and it will have you click on the derailer and it will enlarge to show the date. Also the older (60s) PX-10s had a nervex lug decal. Where the 531 decal is placed on the top tube nearer the top or closer to the center can be used to date your bike. I saw a bike on ebay last year that had a tang on the side oposite the derailer dropout.

MISC:   Newsboy bikes, Philippines, ca. 1950s posted by: Luigi de Guzman on 8/26/2002 at 2:34:57 PM
Not sure if this is the right place to put this but...

The other night, dad was talking about the bikes he knew as a little boy in
Manila in the 1950s. His father didn't even own his own bicycle--they had
to borrow one so the two of them could ride and go to the movies. The bikes
had no handbrakes, he remembers, and to stop them, people would have
strapped things on the inside of their right calves. When you wanted to
stop, he said, you would throw your leg back and drag this pad over the
tire, slowing the bike down.

"No way, Dad," I say.

Sure. All the *diyaristas* (Newspaper delivery riders) had the bikes, too,
but with dropped handlebars. We all called them racers. No gears. No
brakes either. The *diyaristas* would put stacks of newspapers on the tops
of the bars, baled up with twine, and hold them with their chins as they
went racing down the street. The fastest run was in the afternoon, when the
Mirror would put out its evening edition. They'd ride fast as they could to
their dispersal points, where the newsboys would get their papers and go
running off shouting "DAILY MIRROR FINAL" Us kids would go out and watch
the *diyaristas* riding back; after they'd made their deliveries they'd
hang out and put on a show. Some of them would get up and ride on their
bikes, standing on them like surfboards. Plus we knew that when those guys
went riding by, all the kids who'd been out selling papers all day were on
their way back to the neighborhood.

Further questions determined the following regarding these bikes. They were
freewheel bikes, not fixed gears. (When I asked whether or not the bikes
ticked as they went down the street, he said they did, so they must have had
freewheels). But what I can't believe is that there ever were bikes without
brakes at all. He doesn't say or remember whether or not they had coaster
brakes--but my suspicion is that they did, and everybody (my granddad
included) was just showing off. But if they did have coaster brakes, why
wear that leather pad on the right calf?

If there are any old-bike enthusiasts out there with potential answers to
this question, I'm waiting to hear them....

aural historian

   RE:MISC:   Newsboy bikes, Philippines, ca. 1950s posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/26/2002 at 3:39:44 PM
Interesting story!
Perhaps the coaster brake was shot from being used and worn out. Probably a poorer area where a bike was prized even a used one needing work done on it. The leather must have worked for them. Interesting how people improvise to solve a problem!The bikes held up, and served well. They carried papers for schoolboys to earn money.The bike had a freewheel, meaning it was single speed and without a coaster brake.
I have never heard of the leather chaps being used to stop a bike. These folks were wild! They probably did it expertly. The fellows here in the U.S. would hurt themselves if they tried it. I would not recommend it myself.
Please ask if he has any photographs of those days of the newsboys and their bicycles. It would make an interesting piece here with photographs. They probably got into the habit of stoping the bikes in this way.

   Newsboy bikes, Philippines, ca. 1950s posted by Elvis on 8/26/2002 at 4:58:47 PM
Sounds like some of the bikes I saw in new york recently...
By the way, I recall stopping BMX bikes as a kid by rubbing the tire w/ the side on my shoe. Wore the heck out of tires and shoes though, and if I tried it with a road bike like those delivery guys did I'd probably crash or lose a leg... Those folks must've been as brave as they were determined. It's really interesting how human inginuity and doing scary stuff go together -- sometimes to come up with your own solution to a problem [even if it's improvised] takes a lot of guts.
I too would like to see any photos, if any are available.
And I wonder; did this method of stopping the bikes become standard in that area, sort of part of the culture? We've probably all heard stories about some kid back in the day whose bike had no brakes, but this is the first time I've heard of it as a standard thing in an area.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Newsboy bikes, Philippines, ca. 1950s posted by Luigi on 8/26/2002 at 11:05:51 PM
No photographs here in the house--I'm not entirely sure if there would be any photos at all. I'm in the USA at the moment, and the only photo archive I know that might have what I'm looking for is back in Manila...

Anyway, from the way it was told, foot-stopping was the rule. My mother--nine years younger than my father and born in a different province--seems to corroborate the story, as do a few other people I've spoken to about them. Apparently this was just the way things were in those days--With that many corroborations, it strikes me as unlikely that these were not all clapped-out bikes.

Incidentally, the diyaristas were young men, not boys. (I'm guessing in their 20s or so). As my father tells it, the newspapers would come off the presses in the big printing plants at Azcarraga, where they were picked up by the diyaristas on thier 'racers'. These would be bundled with twine and stacked so that the diyarista could hold the papers steady with his chin as he held onto the drops with his hands. The diyaristas would then race through town, stoppping at prearranged distribution points, where they would hand off to the newsboys (these were the children), who would then sell the papers.

Now that I think about it, dropped bars would have allowed the rider to control the bike with his chin jammed down on a bundle of newspapers--pulling up on the drops clamped the chin down and kept the papers from scattering.

(note: I may be misspelling things. I suppose it could also be *jaryista*, as it comes from the tagalog corruption of *diario*, spanish for daily newspaper)


   RE:MISC:   Newsboy bikes, Philippines, ca. 1950s posted by Keith on 8/27/2002 at 2:26:45 PM
The universal bike used in Asia and most devloping countries is a design dating back to the early 1900s, and is known to the British and Americans in its most familiar form, the Raleigh DL-1. 67 degree frame angles, 46" wheelbase, and 28 x 1 and 1/2 inch tires, the bike was a tank, and was built to carry loads, and stand up to hard use on unpaved roads. I'd guess the shoe dragging was probably due to the poor stopping power of rod-operated stirup brakes (especially if its wet, if the pads are worn, or if something is broken. In China they have the Forever version, in India, Avon and others, in Mexico, Windsor (same company that made the lightweight and put its sticker on Eddy's hour bike) and some of these have drop handlebars.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Newsboy bikes, Philippines, ca. 1950s posted by Tim Welsh on 8/28/2002 at 11:27:06 PM
I travelled through Manila, and some Philippine provinces, last year. Not much has changed regarding most bicycles there. Most common were one-speed BMX style bikes with about a ton of steel welded to them to make a side-car for hauling people or stuff. A lot of people or stuff!

Basic mountain bikes are around, but very low quality. A lot of people were riding around with their brakes missing or not hooked up. I think I saw some people doing the 'leg on tire' braking.

Unlike some other asian cities I have visited, though, Manila has a surprisingly high number of serious bike commuters (given the non-stop traffic nightmare) with NICE road and mountain bikes. I also learned that once a year there's a major Critical Mass ride across Manila (a long distance) to promote cycling as a transportation alternative.

FOR SALE:   Dawes Atlantis posted by: Jim on 8/26/2002 at 2:03:27 PM
60cm, Reynolds 531c frame, fork and stays. All Campy. Purchased in '86 as used from the dealer who sold it originally as new. At the time it appeared to have never been ridden. This may have been Dawes' top model. Approximately 3,800 miles. Very well maintained, equipped exactly as when new except for clincher rims in place of the tubulars, and Campy GS brakeset in place of the Weinmanns. Montreal tubular hoops & original Weinmann calipers included. Red to deep red fade. A few normal scratches, no dings. Brand new 23mm Conti's & cork wrap in May. $500 + shipping

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine posted by: Thomas Reuter on 8/25/2002 at 8:41:10 PM
I came across a Sekine MR200. Good condition, but I have no idea how old it is, or any other background info.

I'd appreciate leads, or links,


   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine posted by Steven on 8/26/2002 at 11:53:03 AM
Sekine is a brand from Japan that set up a plant in Canada in the 70's (one of the first transplants!). In Canada they were extremely common in the 70'-80's as they were probably the best bike that you could get for the buck. In the US they are much less common.

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/26/2002 at 3:43:01 PM
Will somebody please direct me to somebody with a bicycle web site that can take the catalogs I have and post them up on the web so people can see it and use these as a refrence. I have Sekinne catalogs that I want to gift and get out of the way.Thanks

   RE:RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sekine posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/27/2002 at 5:17:28 PM
These Sekine catalogs are Canadian in Origin too

AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by: Elvis on 8/25/2002 at 4:10:47 PM
Hi all. Just picked up a lime green Atala. The bike is light lime green with Atala in blue on white background decals on the seat tube. Campy seatpost, Campy sidepull G.S. brakes, Campy brake levers and hoods. TTT "3" stem and bars. Green shiny bar tape. chain side chainstay is all chrome, not just on top, and in a few spots where the paint is worn the bike looks all chrome underneath. Campy Nuovo Gran Sport shifter and downtube friction shift levers. Campy cranks. Hollow sew-up rims [they look really wierd, not at all like the Clinchers I mistook for sew-ups earlier this summer cause the tire was glued -- these really aree sew-ups, no sides to them, just a concave dent on top with the tire glued on.] Rims are marked "Moncalieri" in a little wing symbol and "countach" in white on black with red wite and green bar above it. Campy QR but rear skewer missing.
The bike has a little sticker on the top tube which says ccahmpion something or other and has the year 1982-83. But try as I might there is no model name I can find, just Atala. I've never heard of the name Atala before, but the components tell me that despite a dent in the top tube, the bike [which rides great] is a higher end model. [with the dented tube it probably has no value moneywise, but I'm curious, it seems like a really nice bike 'cept for that, and it's soooo light. If the frame [steel] wieghs more than 9 or 10 pounds I'm Arnold Swartzineger.
Any idea what it might have originally gone for? Any info appreciated, I know little about italian bikes and next to nothing about sew-ups...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by Warren on 8/25/2002 at 9:30:23 PM
I've seen many Atala's here in Toronto and only a few of them have been nice high quality light frames. I know nothing of their pedigree but I suspect you have a nice bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by David on 8/25/2002 at 9:49:48 PM
I had a nice Atala; mostly Campy, DB 531 frame. Don't know the model, it got stolen. See Classic Rendezvous: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Atala.htm

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by Walter on 8/26/2002 at 1:12:53 AM
From Sheldon Brown's site on pricing:

Quality generally ranges from reasonable to downright scary. Importantly, these were among the few bikes to enter the U.S. before the early 70's bike boom that were of any quality. look for examples with nice chrome.
Atala had some nice track bikes - all chrome with nice painted panels which had an attractive translucent quality. Because these bikes were both mid-level and very common, their value is based mostly on their parts. N.R. bikes except Universal brakes valued about $550. With N.R. brakes about $600.

Atala track bikes, as described above, are attractive. That doesn't make them particularly valuable. Nice examples about $550.

As a smal word of caution, don't be terribly excited buy seemingly ornate lugs with cut outs on some Atala models. Such frames are very common and not terribly unique or desirable. In Italy, they are everywhere - even on the typical commuter bike.
I can't recall seeing many in person. A guy on the retro board at roadbikereview.com recently built up an Atala frame as a singlespeed. Looked nice.

The finish on your frame sounds like the description of the track frames above. Paint over chrome is a pretty combo if done well at all.

Unless you think that dent is fatal. I'd say you have a pretty fair bike though from decals an 80s bike as opposed to a real early one.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by Walter on 8/26/2002 at 1:16:02 AM
Btw, Sheldon's comments end with the sentence beginning with "In Italy..." and mine follows, I should have double spaced.

As a former history major and current teacher, I'm a stickler for attribution.

   Atala posted by Elvis on 8/26/2002 at 2:18:24 AM
Many thanks to everyone who gave me info on the Atala.
I sorta stripped the chrome from the lugs and seatstays, giving it a semi-chrome appearance. I know actual restorers would balk at something like that, but the dent, though not fatal, and in an unseen spot [underneath bottom of top tube near front] probably ruins any value it had. Besides, i like the look, though it was sweet to start with.
Funny thing; I was told by someone that a dent like that might have meant a crash which changed the head tube angle, making the bike hard to ride no hands. Yet it rides straight and true and is more aligned than my car!
P.S. -- the seat is "San Marco". And the tire on the front sew-up rim still holds air!!!

   RE:Atala Columbus Tubing posted by Elvis on 8/26/2002 at 2:21:14 AM
OOOPS! I forgot -- the frame and the fork both have stickers saying Columbus tubing, though they are very worn.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Atala posted by David on 8/26/2002 at 11:07:44 AM
Don't forget the frame tubing - that's the most important thing!

   Atala: tubing and frame posted by Elvis on 8/26/2002 at 5:03:24 PM
Hi. Thanks again to all replies. One more question: most of my old bikes are older, and made of Reynolds 531 [my Rudge, and other bikes like Puch]. I'm not up on Columbus tubing really; is it good stuff? It seems so light -- and the dent in the top tube hasn't changed head angle or frame geometry in any way--- in fact if you ride with no hands the bike goes straight. My concern is, if the frame is so light, how strong is it? I have no desire to be going down a winding hill and have ye old top tube break asunder....

   RE:Atala: tubing and frame posted by Walter on 8/27/2002 at 12:48:10 AM
The old Reynolds v Columbus debate. Different alloys but similar result. Columbus made and still makes very high quality tubesets. SL was the standard for years with a slightly later version called SLX. There were several others during the "vintage" period and there are 4-5 Columbus steels now as well as a few aluminum and carbon fiber.

Both Reynolds and Columbus have their partisans but a frame made from 531 or SL is a quality piece.

   MnMb vs CrMb steels posted by John E on 8/27/2002 at 3:49:44 AM
Sheldon's website and personal experience (Columbus CrMb, Tange Prestige II CrMb, and two Reynolds 531 MnMb) attribute the differences among steel frames to geometry and design, rather than to frame material. I think the myth that chrome-moly steels are inherently stiffer than manganese-moly steels arose from American comparisons of old long wheelbased British and French frames with more recent Italian racing frames.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Serial number question posted by: thepostman on 8/25/2002 at 3:19:23 PM
I've noticed in some eBay listings for Paramounts and other bikes that people don't list the full serial number. They do something like K71**. Does anyone know why this is? I am selling a Paramount and am being asked for the serial number but have been told it is a bad idea.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Serial number question posted by David on 8/25/2002 at 5:49:45 PM
It might mean they suspect its provenance is not entirely legal and would like to avoid a messy claim by the wronged erstwhile owner.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Serial number question posted by Eric Amlie on 8/25/2002 at 11:29:13 PM
With most Schwinns other than Paramounts, only the first two characters of the s/n have any real meaning so they aren't listed. This is different for the Paramounts and the Superiors/Super Sports prior to about 1967 which had the forged Huret dropouts. The production on these was low enough that sequential number(for the month) after the date code tells you something, but still not all that meaningful. Basically you are usually just trying to date the bike which the first few characters will do.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Serial number question posted by Oscar on 8/26/2002 at 12:27:53 AM
It might also protect the seller from a false claim of someone who can claim it was stolen years ago. "See, I've got the serial number written down right here!"

AGE / VALUE:   Wanna Trade? posted by: Walter on 8/25/2002 at 2:45:55 AM
I want to put together a roadbike for a brother in law who's trapped on an X-marter "mountain bike." This is going to be simple as I'm trying to keep it cheap. Singlespeed FW with wide cyclo-cross style tires as I believe he lives off a dirt lane. I'm considering mudguards. I've got nearly everything but need an old crankset and BB (English thread, 68mm should be fine). I don't want anything Campy or even Euro for this project. An old SR or Sugino collecting dust somewhere is ideal. I've got a few things to trade, mostly a handful of Shimano and SunTour derailleurs, also a couple of old Schwinn ones too. The Japanese stuff is in decent shape but the chrome on the Schwinns is pitted. I'm not looking to trade for perfection though.

If interested respond here or email me by clicking my name.

AGE / VALUE:   HOLDSWORTH /WORTHY INFO posted by: JO on 8/23/2002 at 9:48:02 PM
Would be grateful for help. Have been passed on a renovated Holdsworth/Worthy cycle andwould be interested in finding out more info regarding age, history etc and possible value.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   HOLDSWORTH /WORTHY INFO posted by Chuck Schmidt on 8/24/2002 at 5:35:13 AM
Jo, there is a page of links to other sites on my web site at:
Once you get to the links page click on the link:

Regards, Chuck Schmidt

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Sachs TorpedoPentasport 5 speed posted by: Gary Kristiansen on 8/23/2002 at 3:36:34 AM
My father, now eighty, quit riding his Sachs 5 speed with internal rear hub brake, and gave me the bike. I am new to this forum so forgive me if I am asking in the wrong category or have missed an earlier answer to this question. First I am badly in need of info on how to adjust the 5 speed hub - I have done several 3 speeds but my bike repair books do not list 5 speed. Specifically need to know where to place speed selector and then chain at rear hub. Secondly I would be interested in info onthis bike in general - all I know is it is about 1980 vintage and came from Denmark - out family is Danish by the way. Hoping for your help - TIA, Gary.

AGE / VALUE:   Who would have guessed posted by: Rick on 8/22/2002 at 9:10:58 PM
No one would believed just a few years ago that the all American tank...'Schwinn Suburban' would get pricey. Two NOS '74s on ebay sold for- mens $355. & womens 234. ! Just five or six years ago free to $25. was the going price, now decent ones are going for $65 - $130. it is very hard to hurt these machines, during my mispent youth back in the 70s I set a local record for a ramp to ramp jump.... 29 feet on a Suburban!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who would have guessed posted by Oscar on 8/23/2002 at 2:25:02 AM
I saw one worth considerably less so. It must have been run over in some guy's garage. I got the brakes (Weinmann 810's) and some Union bow pedals that cleaned up really nice. The rest was a little...bent.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who would have guessed posted by Greg on 8/23/2002 at 1:41:02 PM
It's just the old ratio of supply to demand, there's a 1930's Schwinn Autocycle rear rack in primer thats bid to $400. so far, afriend paid $950 for one of these in original paint last year. On the other hand , no one bid on that fantastic Schwinn Watson racing bike from the 30s in A1 condition, $1500 was a very fair opening bid, but no takers on this scarce bike. If there's an incredible demand, no limit to prices!

AGE / VALUE:   Who would have guessed posted by: Rick on 8/22/2002 at 9:10:58 PM
No one would believed just a few years ago that the all American tank...'Schwinn Suburban' would get pricey. Two NOS '74s on ebay sold for- mens $355. & womens 234. ! Just five or six years ago free to $25. was the going price, now decent ones are going for $65 - $130. it is very hard to hurt these machines, during my mispent youth back in the 70s I set a local record for a ramp to ramp jump.... 29 feet on a Suburban!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who would have guessed posted by Kevin K on 8/22/2002 at 11:47:53 PM
I just saw a nice original 1973 Schwinn Paramount sell at a local shop for $500. It was worth $500. All hand built Schwinn bikes should be on collectors lists. The money just mentioned above spent on Surburbans was in my opinion foolish. However when one considers what one gets with $300 plus today in regards to a new bike purchase it probally was a good deal for the buyer. I would like to meet these people. Last fall I had a sweet 1973 Schwinn Surburban in Opaque Blue. Beautiful bike. Looked NOS. I was asking $80. No takers. One guy offered me $20 if he could remove the Weinmann brake levers for his Stingray project. Yea, right! So to each his own. I hope this trend does not continue. NOS or not there are far too many mint old Schwinn bikes out there to start setting these type of prices. Just my opinion. Kevin K

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who would have guessed posted by Gralyn on 8/23/2002 at 11:21:53 AM
I posted earlier - that I had seen an old Suburban at a local thrift store. I'm thinking it was maybe $25...or could have been $35. If I thought I could clean it up a bit and get $80 for it....I would do it. It is a tank, though...and I would have no interest at all in the bike for myself. A year from now.....wonder what the old vintage bike trend will be? Will Varsities start bringing a high price - and high demand? I doubt it.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Question on frame bottom bracket quality posted by: Robert on 8/22/2002 at 8:13:17 PM
A friend of mine retired and closed his bike shop last year. He gave me about a dozen new lightweight frames.
I cannot remember the name but they are obviously lower end. They are basically lugged , lower end 10 speed type frames from many years ago. My question is, when you look into the shell of the bottom bracket there is a seam that runs from side to side . I am considering using a couple of these frames in the building of another recumbent frame. Are these types of bb shells give to failure or is it just an inexpensive way of manufacture?

    bottom bracket quality posted by John E on 8/23/2002 at 1:30:53 AM
The seam indicates low-cost, high-weight manufacture, not necessarily poor reliability. Use the BB shells in confidence that they will probably hold up and that you are not sacrificing anything of value.