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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need info on a Schwinn Cont. posted by: Kim on 9/7/2002 at 2:23:24 AM
I picked up a 1961 Schwinn Cont s/n K111xxx and its almost all intack. What I need to find out what derailleurs were used on this bike and also anybody have the decals for this bike??


   Schwinn Cont. posted by John E on 9/7/2002 at 6:05:05 PM
"K1..." means your frame was made in Oct. 1961. If it has (or had) a braze-on tab on the right side of the seat tube, above the chainrings, then the original front derailleur was definitely a Simplex Competition "suicide" unit, probably with a Simplex pull-chain/clockspring Tour de France rear. If it has two shift lever bosses near the front of the downtube, then it had Huret Allvit front and rear. For a $1.27 cost advantage, Keith Kingbay originally specified the Varsity and Continental with the already-obsolete Simplex units (the entire product launch of the most successful bicycle in American history was an uphill "show me" battle against a highly skeptical Frank Schwinn), but he switched to Huret after literally wining and dining the Huret brothers to convince them to match Lucien Juy's price.

   RE: Conti wheel size posted by Eric Amlie on 9/9/2002 at 1:18:47 PM
Mo, according to the catalogs, the Continentals always had 27" wheels (the 10 speed ones beginning mid year 1960). The 8 & 10 speed Varsities began with 26" wheels but were changed to 27" for the 1963 model year.

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need info on a Schwinn Cont. posted by Mo on 9/8/2002 at 3:31:32 AM
Kim that '61 is a great bike and tough to find - where did you find it? I have an original '67 Coppertone Continental -with all Sprint components including freewheel, hubs and crank - the original leather seat is a Lycett and the front fork is full chrome. Rims are Stainless Steel. Does your '61 have the "26 or "27 rims? Not sure when the rim change took place. Would like to see a pic if you can send one. - Mo

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Need info on a Schwinn Cont. posted by Kim on 9/10/2002 at 12:49:53 AM
Thanks for the help guys,your great.--- Mo I picked the bike up about 6 months ago when I was going thru a friends basement of his bike shop and it was just one of the bikes I hauled out, it was the same day I got a 40's something T/C. I really like this bike some I want to save it from the junk pile so its time to do some digging.I will keep you guys up to date.


   RE:RE: Conti wheel size posted by Mo on 9/10/2002 at 3:27:42 AM
Eric I just wanted to see if you were playing attention - just kidding - good catch and clarification. Mo

MISC:   Schwinn World Traveler posted by: Robert on 9/7/2002 at 1:03:38 AM
A friend gave me a Schwinn World Traveler frame.
Lugged , with a round headbadge that says Japan on it. Single chainwheel up front on cotterless crank. Seat tube has "Extra Lite" bicycle sticker. Serial no 608212 (I think.)
Is this most likely just a straight gauge, non chromo, non butted frame ?
Or is it somehting special?


   RE:MISC:   Schwinn World Traveler posted by Jonathan on 9/7/2002 at 6:03:26 AM
The Traveler that is in my Schwinn group is made in Taiwan (Giant Bicycle Co.) with cro-mo 4130 steel. It's a 12 sp. from the early '80's.
The World bike that is another in the group is a 12 sp. made by Giant in 1984. It is not cro-mo steel. The "World Traveler" must be yet another
model. Panasonic made the Japanese bicycles. Look for a sticker that displays the frame metal. "Tange 4"
is used on my Japanese road bikes. It's pretty light stuff, though.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Schwinn World Traveler posted by Robert on 9/7/2002 at 4:57:54 PM
It says Taiwan on the headbadge not Japan. Thats what I get for relying on my memory. This one must have been a 5 or 6 speed because of the Schwinn approved crankset with a permanently mounted single chainring. No sticker that states what the frame is made of. Frame feels kind of heavy.

My reason for asking is that I plan on building another recumbent and and don't want to deal with butted tubing and splicing it in the thin areas.

AGE / VALUE:   black Dura Ace parts posted by: dave on 9/6/2002 at 6:31:16 PM
A little while back I posted a question about a Schwinn Voyageur SP I picked up. Eric A and others on the list helped me identify it as an '82. Most likely original parts would have been Deore, but this one has many black Dura Ace parts --
brake calipers, hubs, downtube shifters and the cranks have a black stripe down the arm. Brake levers are Dura Ace but not black. Any guesses as to the date of this Dura Ace stuff? thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   black Dura Ace parts posted by Steven on 9/7/2002 at 5:22:15 PM
I have some black anodized Dura-ace hubs that are from the late 70's (I believe from 1978)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   black Dura Ace parts posted by Elvis on 9/8/2002 at 10:00:00 AM
My silver Puch from the 1970's has all black shift levers, brake calipers and chanrings. Two-tone cranks and rear shifter. I've seen pictures from old catalogues; also black. 78 sounds right in the ballpark but I'm no expert. Hope this helps..

AGE / VALUE:   NOS SCHWINN VOYAGEUR 11.8 posted by: Kevin K on 9/6/2002 at 2:42:18 PM
Hi all. I just purchased a nice NOS 1983 Schwinn Voyageur. 100% original. Tires are still in great condition also. The bike is equipted with Shimano Altus LT dreailleurs and shifters. Not really pretty to look at like the older 600 series. How does the Altus LT compare in quality to the early Shimano 600? Thanks, Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS SCHWINN VOYAGEUR 11.8 posted by Walter on 9/6/2002 at 8:42:04 PM
I've always associated Altus with lower line Shimano. I know some of the stem shifters that Shimano used in the 70 were Altus. However, I'm no Shimano expert and Altus LT may well be quite nice.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS SCHWINN VOYAGEUR 11.8 posted by Kevin K on 9/6/2002 at 9:08:07 PM
Hi Walter. The 11.8 has forged dropouts so I'm hoping the LT series of the Altus is a step up. This bike has down tube shifters v the stem shifter on alot of Schwinn bikes. Kevin K

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS SCHWINN VOYAGEUR 11.8 posted by Darryl on 9/7/2002 at 11:49:18 PM
A few years ago I made a list of the pecking order of Shimano components as follows:
Top to bottom:

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS SCHWINN VOYAGEUR 11.8 posted by Kevin K on 9/8/2002 at 1:08:31 AM
Hi Darryl. I've seen alot of the names that you have mentioned on later 80's and 90's bikes. The Altus LT looks alot like ( almost exactly ) early Schwinn Approved Shimano GT400 and GT 440 pieces which were really not too bad. Also where in the line up did the early 600 series and Dura-Ace pieces fall? Thanks, Kevin

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NOS SCHWINN VOYAGEUR 11.8 posted by Mo on 9/8/2002 at 3:39:27 AM
Kevin I think the Shimano GT400 was the Long Cage deraileur "Le Tour" model that was on the the Triple Chainringed Paramount P-15. I have one on my '73 P-15 and it's a solid performer. Thanks again for the Schwinn straps. Mo

AGE / VALUE:   Switched out qr for solid axle with traditional nuts posted by: Chris on 9/5/2002 at 7:26:20 PM
Oh, it's agrivating! This trashpicked wheel is just the front and not both of them, not the set!

It's a Fiamme rim with a Campy hub and it's 700 X 25 C and I have nothing else in this size!

I pulled out the quick release hub and skewer and droped in a plain solid axle with cones and now I can use it on another bike with mismatched wheels and tires! I hate quick release hubs. I sent these to a pal who asked Where is the hub it came with? Why did you do that? and all this.

I like the tiny hole in the bearing dustcaps, it is there for me to inject oil into the bearings. Only Campy did that right?
The wheel spins nicer with the cheaper, solid, nutted axle anyways.
Still, the cones were new condition and Campy is fine quality.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Switched out qr for solid axle with traditional nuts posted by Pascal on 9/6/2002 at 12:24:32 AM
Vintage lightweight bicycles forum, not lightweight dear diary musings.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Switched out qr for solid axle with traditional nuts posted by Chris on 9/6/2002 at 12:51:58 AM
Youre right! I'll be good.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Switched out qr for solid axle with traditional nuts posted by Oscar on 9/6/2002 at 3:25:47 AM
I've switched out qr's for solid axles for ersatz track hubs. All in all, I prefer qr's because I'm a stash-it-in-the-trunk guy for club rides. It's fun to experiment, though. Keep it up Chris, and muse all you want.

   oil fixtures posted by John E on 9/6/2002 at 2:02:36 PM
Campag. was not the only manufacturer to equip its hubs with oil fittings. I have seen them on a few Shimanos and Ofmegas, as well.

I dislike solid-axle hubs because the simple act of securing the wheel into the frame generally upsets the bearing adjustment, and because I want to be able to repair punctures quickly, with only a pump, spare inner tube, patch kit, and perhaps tyre levers.

You probably made a serious mistake in separating a Campag. hub from its (probably original) axle and QR. Have you seen the prices intact, clean old Campag. hubs fetch on eBay?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Switched out qr for solid axle with traditional nuts posted by Rob on 9/6/2002 at 5:31:19 PM
Musings are OK with me...it gives the rest of us ideas and such to think about!!! Keep up the musings!!!

   RE:RE:Things not to let your mechanic pal know about posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/8/2002 at 7:25:25 PM
"Campagnolo has ball bearings that are polished like jewels!" and I got yelled at for seperating the bearings from the rest of the hub. Now it is back together.The neat thing was that my high flange hub is considered rare. Once again I heard "Where did you get this?"
My Giubilato bike was considered middle of the road, about $500 new and it has Columbus "Gold" tubing. A chrome frame with Rubino red overcoat.
"Italian eye candy" as he put it.
I'm gonna get all my scattered Campy stuff together in one hube box and take it in for show and tell because I don't know anything about it.
The oil clips on the campy hubs rust if not covered in oil. Gotta keep these with oil and grease or else a dry polished hub will rust. I cleaned and polished and put it right. Under orders from the Campy defending mechanic.
I did not tell him that I lost the bearings for those Campy pedals I have. I hope to quietly look those up and find them and get those back together.
This is the kind of dumb activity that your fellow bike pals never forget and every now and then they throw it up to you.
So if you are gonna take it apart and lose the darned parts like an idiot then it is always best to keep quiet about it.
It all started when I asked "What size are Campy bearings?" He asked to see them and then it was downhill from there.
Did you scratch those cranks? He looks at me stearnly.I said "No,those were already there when I got this bike!"

I have these skewers that are marked M.M. Atom what's up with these.I took every skewer in the place and am just sorting through this stuff.

   RE:oil fixtures posted by Mo on 9/8/2002 at 3:46:40 AM
Hey guys what kind/brand of oil do you put in those Campy oil ports? Would you change/repack the bearings with the same frequency as a hub without an oil port - given the same amount of ride time and usage? Thanks, Mo

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Super Course posted by: smg on 9/5/2002 at 3:09:22 PM
Raleigh Super Course enthusiasts in the Seattle area might want to pay a call on Recycled Cycles. Last night (9-4) they had a 20.5" Mk. II from about '75 (?) in the outside display. Looked to be pretty original, with the Weinmann brakes and a Nervar Star alloy crank. Price was $90. I confess to being tempted, but the two I have are enough for me.

   Raleigh Super Course; Nervar Star posted by John E on 9/6/2002 at 2:07:23 PM
Was the Nervar Star an aftermarket conversion? The early 1970s Super Courses with which I am familiar came with cottered steel cranks. By the way, Bill Putnam's fractured spider notwithstanding, the Nervar Star is a great-looking (the arms look like Stronglight; the rings, like early Campag.), great-performing crank, and anyone with a Dremel tool can easily adapt standard 130mm BCD chainrings to its 128mm spider. (I run 52/44 instead of the more common 52/42 or 52/45 on mine, with the original outer ring and a Shimano inner ring.)

   RE:Raleigh Super Course; Nervar Star posted by dave on 9/6/2002 at 5:42:45 PM
I have several Super Courses (and have had more, many of which I've passed on to others), but saw my first 25" (or 25 1/2") Super Course outside the library yesterday -- my size
but they must not have made many of these. Would love to
have one of these to tinker with ...

   RE:RE:Raleigh Super Course; Nervar Star posted by Lenny on 9/6/2002 at 10:41:06 PM
I own and still ride a SC Mk II that I bought new in '76. It came with a Nervar crankset, though not the "Star" model. It is just branded "Nervar", with no model indicated. The inner chainring (42) will fit the Star model, but the outer chainring (52) will not.

I long ago replaced the Nervar crank with a Sun Tour Sprint. The Nervar was pretty to look at, but the alloy used was soft and wore badly. The Sun Tour gave much more positive shifts and I have never thrown the chain off of it (using the same Huret Jubilee front derailleur).

MISC:   Jaguar bicycles posted by: Chris on 9/4/2002 at 7:59:42 PM
Anyone ever hear of Jaguar bicycles, from the 60s - 70s?

   RE:MISC:   Jaguar bicycles posted by Tim on 9/4/2002 at 10:25:12 PM
Jaquar is a middle weight,made by Schwinn

   RE:MISC:   Jaguar bicycles posted by Ian on 9/6/2002 at 9:05:59 AM
I have a bag of old Phillips transfers (sorry decals) that include some Jaguar ones. Knowing where these came from and that it would be very unlikely that this shop (now closed) would have had any Schwinn stuff and given that the bag had Phillips transfers written on the outside I think it is probable that Phillips made a Jaguar although I have never seen one. Perhaps they just called some export models Jaguar? Regards, Ian.

   RE:MISC:   Jaguar bicycles posted by Elvis on 9/8/2002 at 8:51:22 PM
Jaguar was the model name of a bicycle made by Scwhinn.

Jaguar was also the name of an inexpansive import bike brand that brought in mass-mass-mass produced "ten speeds" during the bike boom years. I think they were based in Germany but I am not sure for certain.

WANTED:   3rd chain ring posted by: Gralyn on 9/3/2002 at 5:33:00 PM
I have a few bikes with, I believe, Sugino cranks with the double chain rings. On all of them - it looks like there are threads there for putting on a 3rd chain ring. Where can I find a 3rd chain ring to put on some of these bikes? Now, I don't want to pay like over $30 or $40 for a small chain ring....heck, on most of these bikes - I don't have near that much in the whole bike. Where can you get them - and how much would you expect to pay?

   RE:WANTED:   3rd chain ring posted by Keith on 9/3/2002 at 6:35:08 PM
I have an SR (branded Suntour) with 74/110 mm spacing. Some SR doubles I've had appear identical but lack the drilling for the inner third ring -- they have indents where the drilling would be. Nashbar has some at fairly reasonable prices: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=81&subcategory=1032&brand=&sku=2172&storetype=&estoreid= Or, you could wait for an otherwise trashed mountain bike to come your way. BTW, adding a third inner ring may require: (1) a new bottom bracket axle, (2) a different (long cage) rear derailleur to take up the extra chain; (3) possibly a new front derailleur (just depends) and (4) a couple of extra chain links. Good luck!

   3rd chain ring posted by John E on 9/3/2002 at 9:12:23 PM
Yes, 5-bolt 74mm BCD rings are still VERY easy to find, in steel or aluminum, in tooth counts from 24 to at least 36. If you keep the front and rear gear ranges modest, you will not have to change your rear derailleur or lengthen your chain for a longer cage. For example, I run 48-45-34 / 13-23 with a short-cage SunTour Cyclone II rear and a Shimano 600 road-racing front.

   RE:WANTED:   3rd chain ring posted by Jonathan on 9/4/2002 at 2:27:06 AM
I have a third CR on a Raleigh record/ace fr. the '70's with
Raleigh "custom" cranks; MTB's are good sources for the ring as was stated. I get beat up MTB's at a ST. Vincent De Paul store for $5. Check for flattened
gullets on the teeth, which is a sure portend of much slippage and annoying clunks when it's least tolerable. A Shimano crane/GT is what works best for this pilgrim. The chain slack take-up on the "crane" is prodigious. THe shifting is not very tight, like it is with the "cyclone" series (best derailer/$, IMHO), but it'll take any rediculous ratios I could ever assemble from my boxes of CR's.
Some, if not all, of the shift sponginess is due to the stem-mounted shifters, I believe. This is why I like "friction" shifters!

AGE / VALUE:   Suprize of the Day posted by: Drew on 9/3/2002 at 11:06:58 AM
While roaming around Northern New Hampshire this weekend looking for interesting bike items, while at a junk shop in the boon docks, I ask for any old bikes? Lady answears " yah, behind the shed". What I see is about a dozen kids bikes from the '80s , but in the middle of the pile is a Trek road bike... model 400, circa 1983, needing only a little oil and air. I paid the $8.00(yes eight) asking price & took it. What I wanted to know is where does the 400 fall in the Trek line up, and is the a collectors market for these machines?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suprize of the Day posted by Bryant on 9/3/2002 at 11:30:34 AM
Great Find!! I believe the 400 series was the entry level road racing bike for Trek. If it a 1983, you may want to check the rear hub. I believe they used Helicomatic hubs that year, and you will want to change it out. For more info on vintage Treks, see www.vintage-trek.com. Its a great site!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suprize of the Day posted by Keith on 9/3/2002 at 5:23:23 PM
There's an historical website for vintage Treks -- sorry, don't have address but any search engine will find it. I've had two 400s. One was an '86, I think, and it had a 531 main frame,Shimano light action downtube index, SR cranks, matrix rims, etc. Hubs were Sachs, but not Helicomatic. The other was an '87 400t -- similar but with triple cranks and Deore rear d. Tubing on the 400t was True Temper? Both had black anodized Matrix rims. Both had the tradwemark Trek forged lugs with the unique pantographed seat cluster and dropouts. They were both silver brazed -- lugs are plain and bulky, but neatly done. I understand the current builder for Rivendell got his start at Trek doing about 30 main triangles a day. I think it's a great workhorse bike -- reasonably light with relaxed geometry. I used the 400 for commuting until I bent the frame by T-boning a dog that walked in front of me on the local bike path. Trek also had a 300 Elance. None of these bikes were junk. I got mine for about $100 on eBay -- very clean and low miles -- and I suspect you could find one for that too.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suprize of the Day posted by Chuck on 9/3/2002 at 5:47:54 PM

Chuck Schmidt

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suprize of the Day posted by Joel on 9/4/2002 at 7:22:55 PM
My first serious road bike was a Trek 400 from about 1984-5 in blue. I rode it hard for about a year and it developed so much flex in the bottom bracket that the chain would grind on the front deraleur in both directions under the slightest load. The shop took it back and gave me the full purchase price toward a Cannondale SR 400 which I still have.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Suprize of the Day posted by Keith on 9/5/2002 at 3:32:40 PM
With all due respect to Joel, I've never experienced a steel bike, or for that matter any other bike, "developing" flex. FWIW, Sheldon Brwon says it doesn't happen: Aluminum frames have a harsh ride?

"Titanium frames are soft and whippy?

Steel frames go soft with age, but they have a nicer ride quality?

England's Queen Elizabeth is a kingpin of the international drug trade?

All of the above statements are equally false.

There is an amazing amount of folkloric "conventional wisdom" about bicycle frames and materials that is widely
disseminated, but has no basis in fact.

The reality is that you can make a good bike frame out of any of these metals, with any desired riding qualities, by selecting
appropriate tubing diamters, wall thicknesses and frame geometry."

(from www.sheldonbrown.com follow links to frames and article about frame materials.

MISC:   raleigh ladies 3 speed posted by: randy bosworth on 9/2/2002 at 4:15:58 PM
hope i can get some info on this bike.
it is a raliegh ladies 3 speed and serial number under the seat reads as this number na- 7085197 lokking to here from some who can help out.thaks

   RE:MISC:   raleigh ladies 3 speed posted by Oscar on 9/3/2002 at 2:58:13 AM
There is a Raleigh serial number chart elsewhere on this large site. The easiest way to determine the age is by the two-digit stamped date on the hub. (This is only reliable if you think the hub is original. It nearly always is.)

My brother's neighbor has a nice old Hercules. I ID's the date for her is about 4 seconds (glasses were fogged. That accounted for the extra two seconds.) Both my brother and his neighbor now think I'm some kind of idiot savant. They are only half right.

AGE / VALUE:   Schwinn 5 spd. road bihe posted by: Darrell Albers on 9/2/2002 at 3:31:14 AM
I was given an older Schwinn 5 spd. road bike. I found a number on the front of the bike, but it doesn't match up with the numbers in the Schwinn Serial Number Chart. The number is "J53766." Can anyone help?

    Schwinn 5 spd. road bihe posted by John E on 9/2/2002 at 10:11:39 PM
Please recheck that second character -- are you sure it is not a letter, a "B" or an "S," perhaps? As far as I know, the Chicago factory changed from Letter, Number to Letter, Letter format at the end of 1964, such that M4xxx is December 1964, whereas AAxxx is January 1965.

   RE: Schwinn 5 spd. road bihe posted by Darrell Albers on 9/23/2002 at 1:18:20 AM
I rechecked the numbers, and the numbers appear to be as I reported the first time. J537366 The chain guard says "Schwinn Sport Collegiate," does this change anything?

AGE / VALUE:   Columbia 10 speed posted by: Gralyn on 9/2/2002 at 1:24:50 AM
I picked up an old Columbia for my son. It's a 10 speed - nothing special - but I looked on a Columbia serial number chart - best I can tell from that is that it's 1966. Is there any other way ....hints, clues, as to it's age - or is the serial number thing pretty accurate. I am very unfamiliar with Columbia. One thing - so far as age - it has no braze-ons. All the cables are held on with clamps...the snap-on kind....that makes me think late 60's or so. I thought it had 26" wheels - but upon closer exam. - they are 27 X 1 1/4" Rigida's.....with 1 3/8" tires.

AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by: Gralyn on 9/2/2002 at 1:21:26 AM
Anyone ever heard of a Centurion? It looks to be a late 70's early 80's Japanese. It looks to be steel frame, alloy bars, alloy rims, suntour, diacompe 500 brakes.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by Fred on 9/2/2002 at 2:04:00 AM
Gralyn: I not only know of Centurion, I also have one. It is an Ironman, Dave Scott signature model. Dave Scott won the Ironman triathalon 7 times. See my website, "fredhaj.tripod.com", the Various makes gallery for a description and pictures of my bike. See also, "Sheldonbrown.com", for more information. Centurion was made in Japan and imported by Western States importers. Sheldon Brown says that the name was changed to "Diamond Back" at some time. I recently discovered that there is a Swiss bicycle company named "Centurion".

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by Warren on 9/2/2002 at 3:37:16 AM
I've got one too...a mid 70's track bike. My favourite ride these days. A lot of Centurions were mid level bikes...some were excellent. Fred's nice Dave Scott bike came after the distribution (and assembly?) was moved to the US. The better models came with Tange Champion # 2 tubes or better.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by freeespirit on 9/2/2002 at 5:02:00 AM
Centurions models from the 70's started with a Le mans model, equal to a Raleigh gran prix or Peugeot UO8. Next was the Super Le mans followed by the Semi-pro and then the Professional which was outfitted with Campy NR. In the late 70's there was some elite series bikes and in the late 80's Centurion came out with the Dave Scott Ironman models. The 70's models had a nice headbadge and Stella like script. The later models had a headbage with centurion alongside wavey lines. I have a Super Le Mans from the 70's and its about the same as a Nishiki International or Fuji Royale.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by Gralyn on 9/2/2002 at 1:09:29 PM
Duh! I have this Centurion....but I also have a LeMans Centurion. I thought that they were "Centurion" and "LeMans"....and that the model of the "LeMans" was Centurion. But maybe they are both Centurions...and the one Centurion is a "LeMans" model. The LeMans is probably from up in the 80's - probably late 80's - and has some really good components. It has 1" wheels, and has the very light frame....unfortunately, the frame is too big for me...I was going to find an alloy frame (my size) and use the components. But so far, I haven't found one I like - within my budget. If anyone needs one of these good frames....25"...I have one!

Maybe the other "Centurion" I have is just an older model....looks like maybe late 70's / early 80's....but it does have some half-way decent components...Sugino cranks, dia-compe 500 brakes, etc. It's pretty light - but I don't think it's CroMo

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by Gralyn on 9/2/2002 at 1:13:57 PM
Duh! I have this Centurion....but I also have a LeMans Centurion. I thought that they were "Centurion" and "LeMans"....and that the model of the "LeMans" was Centurion. But maybe they are both Centurions...and the one Centurion is a "LeMans" model. The LeMans is probably from up in the 80's - probably late 80's - and has some really good components. It has 1" wheels, and has the very light frame....unfortunately, the frame is too big for me...I was going to find an alloy frame (my size) and use the components. But so far, I haven't found one I like - within my budget. If anyone needs one of these good frames....25"...I have one!

Maybe the other "Centurion" I have is just an older model....looks like maybe late 70's / early 80's....but it does have some half-way decent components...Sugino cranks, dia-compe 500 brakes, etc. It's pretty light - but I don't think it's CroMo

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Centurion posted by John C. on 9/10/2002 at 5:37:05 AM
Hey guys, I just bought a Centurion LeMans RS on e-bay. Can you help me figure out the vintage of the bike ? see ebay No. 1855609770 Thanks!!, john c.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   help posted by: Arvi Lomp on 9/1/2002 at 5:50:26 PM

<< Hello from Estonia.
I have one old English bicycle PHILLIPS
model Supreme. I think this model from 30s.
Maybe somebody can help me to find out more information.
Tallinn Estonia >>
Thank you

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   help posted by Oscar on 9/3/2002 at 3:01:37 AM
Hello from Chicago (home of more than a few former Estonians). Phillips made 3-speed bikes that are treasured by the "English Roadsters" page. Have you visited there?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   help posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 9/4/2002 at 12:31:15 AM
What size wheels? 26 or 28 inch?
Cable or rod brakes?
Does this bike have cables that go to the brakes?
What color? What exactly does the bike say on it. Please describe it as best as you can.

What does the rear wheel say on it? is it a single speed, a 3 speed or what?
Phillips offered a derailer too. does it have one of those?
What accessories does this have? a rear rack? a bell? a light set? what?
This is pre- war and historic. probably worth more than you think it is worth. That's safe to say.
Have you seen Sheldon Brown's site?
it's at Sheldonbrown.com

look for old Raleigh 3 speeds and the old bikes section. Look through the whole bicycle related stuff.It answers your questions.
The rest we can help out with. Phillips was a huge Birmingham based manufactuer until they merged with Raleigh in 1960. Yours is original and a nice machine to be prized, appreciated and ridden unless you want to sell it and then we need to see a good set of color photos and a good description. Tires are available here and with Sheldon Brown at the Harris Cycles web site.

I'm interested, (we all are) in hearing from you all about this bike.
We can help you get it back on the road!
Start a post again under "English Roadsters"

AGE / VALUE:   milano sport road bike -1960s? posted by: gerald miller on 9/1/2002 at 3:52:41 PM
I own above bike which is in great shape. I believe it was made in l960s. It is orange,says giro d' italia, with simplex gears and balilla brakes. It has a number on stem -PL23539. All decals are in good to excellent condition as is paint. Slight pitting on rims - italian made Cinelli?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   milano sport road bike -1960s? posted by Warren on 9/2/2002 at 12:41:19 AM
That's quite a leap...does it say Cinelli? What are the tubing, hubs, deraileurs, rims, cranks, bars, stem etc. Sounds more like an early bike boom bike I used to see by the horde. Foil stickers with a checkered pattern perhaps?