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Archived: Vintage Lightweights

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   "Aquila" Road Bike posted by: Steve Herrera on 10/27/2003 at 12:52:54 AM
Has anybody heard of "Aquila" cycles circa mid 60's? It has cut-out and very detailed lug work, chrome fork tips and rear chainstay tips. It came candy red, and was a European brand. Bought in Southern California 1964. A very light bike in its day, and currently, at 23.5 lbs, still rideable. I am looking for decals, design of the nameplate or anything else I can find.
Please advise.
> Steve Herrera

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:    posted by T-mar on 10/27/2003 at 2:23:58 AM
There is an Aquila brand that is pretty popular on the triathlon circuit and is well distributed in Southern Ontario. A guy I chummed around with back in 1995 was sponsored by them. I don't if this is the same brand. However they do have a web site, www.aquilacyles.com . Good luck.

AGE / VALUE:   1936 Baines - What Equipment?? posted by: Mike. on 10/26/2003 at 11:59:17 PM
I have a 1936 Baines Flying Gate which I would like to build up with 50s, 60s and 70s parts but am a little unsure about a couple of things. Firstly the frame was restored in 1976 when a derailleur hanger was added as well as a downtube shift mount. Here is my main question --- the rear spacing is 110mm which tells me one cannot fit too much back there. Any chance of using a 3 speed freewheel? Is there such a thing and if so what hub can I use. I don't really want to use a Sturmey Archer. If I can solve this problem then I think I will be on my way. Look forward to reading your ideas!

   freewheel for 110mm dropout posted by John E on 10/27/2003 at 12:48:49 AM
When I gave my Swedish track bike to a friend, he converted it to a 4-speed, using a 5-speed Regina freewheel with the high cog removed. You can find 3-speed and 4-speed freewheels here and there, but expect to pay a significant premium over the ubiquitous 5-speed. Another option is to spread the dropouts to 120mm, for a standard 5-speed. I suspect you could probably fit an ultra-6, with the top cog removed, in a 115mm dropout.

   RE:freewheel for 110mm dropout posted by Mike on 10/27/2003 at 1:23:01 AM

Thanks that gets me started. Do you know what hub your friend is using with his 4 speed?

As for the spreading - unfortunately that option will not work as the "Flying Gate" has a double set of seat stays as well as an unconventional seat tube configuration. Mike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1936 Baines - What Equipment?? posted by T-Mar on 10/27/2003 at 2:38:57 AM
The extra stays and seat tube configuration should not cause a problem in cold setting the stays to wider spacing. I have cold set stays on mixte frames and tandems which have the extra, middle stays. The seat tube configuration on the Baines provides an extra attachment to stiffen the stays but the distance of this point from the rear axle is not significantly than the distance for the extra stays on a tandem or mixte frame. The cold setting process will require extra force, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work.


AGE / VALUE:   SWAP MEET AT MEMORY LANE posted by: Kevin K on 10/26/2003 at 2:13:40 PM
Hi all. Well it was a better than usual showing for lightweights. More and more are starting to show as the years go on. On Friday I picked a nice 1967 Radiant Coppertone Varsity only to have the guy AFTER I bought that one offer me a 1963 Varsity in Sky Blue. I like the 63 better. My friend and I met early Saturday morning. He took me over to a sweet looking, near flawless Raliegh Super Course ( English built of 531 double butted tubing )12 he spotted for $125. After an hour or so he offered the owner $70. The man accepted it. So for once the weather was nice and some good deals were had. I'm not a ballooner guy but there was a man there out of Michigan with a display of bikes he had restored. These machines were simply flawless in workmanship. Having been a painter I can appreciate the efforts put forth it took to restore these. Next spring I take pictures. Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE: SWAP MEET AT MEMORY LANE posted by Warren on 10/26/2003 at 10:30:27 PM
Super Course's are a great ride but they are straight gauge 531, not double-butted...

Just nit-picking...I'm on one almost everyday.

   Super Course posted by John E on 10/27/2003 at 6:40:07 PM
The Super Course is one of the best commuting / transportation road bikes available. I almost bought one new in 1971, but splurged on the American Eagle Semi-Pro / Nishiki Competition instead. What I know now is that the straight gauge 531 Raleigh frame is better (more resilient)than the double-butted CrMo Kawamura frame.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SWAP MEET AT MEMORY LANE posted by Rob on 10/27/2003 at 7:42:41 PM
I have a couple of SCs...71?, and 72 or 73... The '71 is definitely straight gauge 531...sticker is clearly readable...and, from the various past discussions,I've accepted that all the SC's of that era would have been straight gauge 531. The SC I ride periodically (I was on it on Sunday for about an hour) really does feel nice.

John E., I picked up on your comments about the straight gauge 531 versus the double butted CrMo Kawamura (I assume Tange) tubing. Would you say that that statement generally holds when comparing 531 tubing to the range of Tange tubing or to CrMo tubing in general?

   RE:Super Course posted by Lenny on 10/28/2003 at 5:00:03 PM
Hello to John E. and Rob,

The Super Course straight-gauge frame is one of the liveliest I've experienced. They are wonderful bikes, paint flaws and all. I've ridden lots of others, but the SC (and SC Mk II) has always been my favorite.

A years or so ago I restored a mid-70's Nishiki Competition, which had a double-butted frame. It felt so dead that I didn't enjoy riding it much, even though it had wonderful components on it. I donated it to a local non-profit group (they mentor inner-city kids and teach then about bike repair and safety)for sale in their resale floor, and at $80, it sold within a couple of weeks.

   RE:RE:Super Course posted by Kevin K on 10/30/2003 at 3:16:20 AM
Hi guys. The hubs are dated 1980 so this bike is a bit newer. It's set up with Suntour VGT derailleurs and barends. Also the frame sticker does say 531 butted, not double butted. Just butted. Would that be the same as straight guage tubing? Kevin

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Incredible Goeland tandem posted by: David on 10/26/2003 at 11:59:13 AM
Attention high rollers and window shoppers:


You won't see another one like this for a while!

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Incredible Goeland tandem posted by Derek Coghill on 10/27/2003 at 12:08:39 AM
And there's this one too; brilliant.

AGE / VALUE:   Nitto Aerodynamic Bars and Normandie Hubs posted by: Ian on 10/25/2003 at 7:35:41 PM
Among the items I wasa given at the close down of the local cycle shop were a pair of alloy bars marked "ADB X Nitto" and "AERODYNAMICS" with a flattened section each side of centre.Can anybody tell me when these were made and what they were fitted to? Likewise with some Normandie Malliard high flange alloy hubs. Thanks, Ian.

      Nitto Aerodynamic Bars and Normandie Hubs posted by John E on 10/26/2003 at 2:50:55 AM
The hubs are from the early 1970s. I think the bars are from the mid-1980s, when aero brake levers first became popular.

MISC:   Helmets posted by: Rob on 10/24/2003 at 10:20:16 PM
Well, since my incident earlier this week with the car (see post below), I've been thinking about helmets quite a bit. I've now got a new helmet and another bike set up as a winter beater, another Nishiki, older but of similar quality to the one I wrecked...although someone had put a really nice 600EX crank on it which I'll swap out at some point. I rode in to work this AM...a bit of stiffness but that quickly eased off.

At lunch I went for a 70 minute run...after seeing the first two bike riders helmetless, I decided to make an informal survey during the course of my run. Here's what I found:

15 out 36 adult riders were NOT wearing helmets;
3 out of 3 children (all teenagers) were wearing helmets;
1 in-line skater was not wearing a helmet.

For the most part the non-helmet wearers were older riders and were riding quite slowly. Two younger helmetless guys, early 20s, were riding at a fair clip. Two of the 15 non-helmet people were middle-aged women. (The male/female mix might be about 2 to 1...a bit of a guess on this point...)

I thought this was very interesting. In my jurisdiction, BC, a mandatory helmet law was enacted in 1996 for the whole province. While I have had the sense enforcement is rather lax (I've never heard of anyone even being stopped for not wearing a helmet, let alone get a fine), I didn't expect the non-compliance to be so high. This suggests to me that awareness programs are still probably the better route to go, particularly for adult riders...helmets, though, should probably be mandatory for children...

For those of you who take these safety issues seriously, I would urge you to 'talk up' these issues when you get the opportunity. Humans seem to need constant reminding about safety issues. Even if a head injury is non-life threatening, say from a minor low speed bump, who wants to go around with partially scrambled brains for six months while the concussion is healing??? The problem as I understand it, is the brain's ability to withstand a sudden deceleration. Concussion and serious damage can occur when this threshold is crossed, and the deceleration is too fast...Newtonian physics... Helmets are designed to slow this deceleration to a appropriate level...

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Stacey on 10/25/2003 at 2:17:14 AM
I'm glad to hear you're in the wind again, Rob and that the injuries were minor.

I believe this is known as a Catch-22... you can't legislate common sense, nor can you legislate away personal choice.

Here in Pennsylvania our state government has just recinded the motorcyle mandatory helmet law (with exceptions). It will be interesting to see the 5 year statistics. IMHO, it all boils down to freedom of choice and responsibility for results. ASK me to take a bullet for you and I'll do so gladly, but TELL me to get out of the way of a speeding semi-truck and I'll get run over just for spite.

And yes, I don't wear a seat belt either. Why? Because they tell me I HAVE to. :-) My choice, my responsibility.

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by JONathan on 10/25/2003 at 2:38:21 AM
You are right about helmuts. It seems to me that "impulse" (Force/Time) is where the specific geometry and material construction of a modern helmut succeeds in its function. The impulse is spread out in addition to a major reduction in the impulse of a collision. However, I still think that a closed-head injury is just what you described.
A rapid banging around inside the dura mater against the cranium walls inside. That thought keeps me from a false sense of security while wearing my helmut. Bicycle helmuts are not nearly as good as my two motorcycle helmuts that exceed the Z-90 standard (Snell number). My biggest fear is hitting massive objects whose inertia makes them virtually stationary
objects...like brick walls. A normal crash permits some control of the landing through tuck and roll techniques. All-in-all, a helmut is still better than no-helmut no matter how one looks at it.
BTW, I think bicycle helmuts could be improved...I mean some riders hit 50 mph!
Thanks for that post, Rob.
Cheers, glad you are back on the saddle,

   RE:RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Randy on 10/25/2003 at 11:08:12 AM
My cheap $20.00 helmet probably save my life about a year and a half ago. In an over the handlebars accident, my helmet got crushed and my neck broken in two places. I believe to this day that the crushing of the helmet helped to reduce the decelleration troma(banging into the ground head first). I like my new $20.00 helmet even more than the old one!

On another note, I hate seeing George Orwell's interpertation of the future coming true. Don't make me do it! Encourage solid education to help make me want to do it. This is a no brainer, in my mind(kind of an oxymoron, don't you think?), after all, isn't that what advertising is all about. If the big shot advertisers can make us want to suck hot smoky chemical laden air through a paper tube, surley it can't be that tough to trick me into believing that the helmet is good for me and the oil industry.... Sorry, seem to be starting a rant here...

The point is, I am for helmets as well as the choice to use them. Where I live, helmets are mandatory for children under eighteen years of age. I think that that kind of forced behavior is acceptable and I insist that my grand kids were theirs when ever we are our riding together.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Kevin K on 10/25/2003 at 12:27:58 PM
Hi all. Still on the subject but a bit side tracked it irks me when government makes laws for public safety, then never enforces them. Worse yet is when a local offical doesn't agree and refuses to enforce the the laws he is sworn to enforce. Our tax dollars hard at work. Helmet laws on bikes of all types work. Kevin

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Stacey on 10/25/2003 at 4:43:20 PM
Yes, helmet laws work. So do seat belt laws, car seat laws, hunter orange laws,triger lock & gun safe laws, lights on when raining and 55 mph laws. Maybe if we outlawed birth we could eliminate deaths all together.

Let's face it, you live... you die. No somke & mirrors, no tricky math. Just simple truth. There's only one way to live and that's your own. Peace! :-)

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Keith on 10/25/2003 at 8:10:09 PM
I have a different take on the helmet law. Two-thirds of cyclists who end up in hospital emergency rooms are age 14 and under, and only about one in five cyclist deaths involve adults. Kids should be required to wear them. My own kids hate wearing a helmet, and my 12 year old son has recently started sneaking off on his bike sans helmet. If it was the law, it would be easier to make him do it. Unlike adults, kids aren't mature enough to make a responsible decision about whether to wear a helmet. Just today I saw two young kids in my neighborhood riding around with no helmets. It's all too common.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Derek Coghill on 10/25/2003 at 9:35:36 PM
The main problem here with kids wearing helmets is that, when they do wear them, they wear them too far back or unfastened or similar. Wearing them normally seems to be uncool or something.

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Keith on 10/26/2003 at 12:42:47 AM
The last statistic I quoted was out of date. The most recent I have is that about one half of cycling fatalities are children. It doesn't alter my conclusiom.

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Keith on 10/26/2003 at 12:45:44 AM
The hard shell skater style helmets will not slide back on the head, and cover the forehead almost no matter what you do to them. My kids prefer them -- they cover them with stickers. A local hospital gives them away at bike rodeos. We spend much of our time at the rodeos fitting the helmets.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by john on 10/26/2003 at 12:58:16 AM
Agree teens see helmets as geeky...but you know bike helmets complement the bike "outfit" of spandex....got my teen daughter a skateboard helmet...one for myself also...life is a tradeoff...better to ere on the side of caution where your noggin is concerned

     Helmets posted by John E on 10/26/2003 at 2:56:12 AM
My personal position, which I shall not impose on anyone, is that I am strongly in favor of helmets and equally strongly against mandatory helmet legislation for adults.

The one cogent argument against helmets is that they should not be worn by anyone who practices risk compensation, i.e., someone who feels he/she can get sloppy about safety because the helmet renders him/her invincible. Always wear a helmet, but ride as though you had unintentionally left it at home.

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by T-Mar on 10/26/2003 at 3:15:45 AM
Here in Ontario (Canada) helmets are law for ages fourteen and under. However, in talking to an officer, he told me the law was not enforceable. How can it be a law and not be enforceable? That's got me stumped!

Regardless, the law doesn't make any impression on the kids. They strap the helmet on, then take them off when they are out of sight of their parents. Having the helmets dangling on the end of the handlebars as they ride along, makes them even more prone to an accident.

The real problem seems to be the parents. You see them out riding all the time with kids, yet the parents are rarely wearing helmets. Children learn by watching their parents. If the parent doesn't wear a helmet, it is unlikely that the child will. If a parent does, the child most likely will wear a helmet.

In general most parents do not seem to have the time or interest in raising their children. Most parents consider bicyles to be toys and this concept appears to be the root of the problem. They don't take bicycles (read "toys") seriously.

Every year, I put on a local bicyle rodeo for the local cub/scout packs so the kids can get their cyclist's badge. I go over all the material with the kids at the meeting the week before and send home handouts for the parents. Yet, I routinely fail over half the kids. The big three seem to be bicycles in unsafe mechanical condition, helmets that don't fit properly and bicycles that are too big. Of course, the parents end up getting uposet with me and want me to fix things! They're too cheap to buy the kid a bicycle that fits properly, take the time to fit the helmet, or even give the kid instructions on riding before they send them out to contend with the cars and trucks. But they'll spends hundreds and take hours to select the right golf putter or squash racket and get professional instruction to correct their swing. Talk about your misplaced priorites!

Lecturing the kids on the helmets and demonstrations with eggs just don't seem to cut it. Leading by example is best. I have no doubt that my son will always wear his helmet. As for all those other kids, every time I see one wearing a helmet, I always comment on his "sweet helmet" (it seems "cool" and "rad" out out of style expressions). Hopefully, the postive re-inforcement will help.

   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Ron on 10/26/2003 at 9:05:38 AM
I must have my kids properly brainwashed. They yell at me if I hop on a bike without a helmet for a quick test ride in the driveway. They are the same way with seatbelts. It comes from setting the example and consistant reenforcement. One day we were riding in a local park when a police officer stopped us. He said we were the first family that he had seen where everyone had a helmet. He gave us coupons for free ice cream as a reward. He said lots of kids have helmets, but the parents rarely do. So as soon as the kids are old enough to ride without the parents, they lose the helmet.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Corey on 10/26/2003 at 3:46:57 PM
Helmet design really isn't too bad. This summer Australian pro racer (Navigators) Henk Vogels hit a guardrail headfirst at the Fitchburg race at around 60 mph. Heres some quotes from the story:

'..., they were nearly caught by the peloton when Vogels apparently glanced behind him to assess their lead and clipped his wheel with another rider, sending him flying head first into the guardrail, shattering his helmet and fracturing his C-7 vertebrae.

Following in a team car, Navigators' general manager Ray Cipollini was quick to arrive on the scene. "When I first stopped he wasn't even moving," Cipollini said. "It wasn't until a few seconds later that he said that he was in fact in pain, and was cognizant of that fact. Even with all the blood loss, he was still complaining about the pain, which was a good sign. I've been in the sport for a long time, and it was one of the worst crashes I've ever seen."

Navigators' directeur sportif Ed Beamon was also racing, and pulled off as he passed emergency workers attending to a bloody and unconscious Vogels, who was immediately rushed to the University of Massachusetts hospital where it was determined that he had also shattered his ankle in three places.

"This is a good story about the importance of helmets," Beamon said. "I spoke with a police officer that had a radar gun on the riders on that descent, and he said they were coming in close to 65 mph. Henk's doctor said that, without question, the helmet saved his life. From what the [breakaway riders] were telling me, it was probably the most violent crash any of them had ever seen."

The crushing impact of Vogels' Limar helmet was so severe that it actually impacted into his head, causing severe lacerations that required stitches and staples to close.

One of the most respected members of the domestic peloton, Vogels has amassed an impressive race resume that includes two top-ten finishes at Paris-Roubaix (1997-98), a fourth-place stage finish at the 1999 Tour de France and a second-place at this year's Ghent-Wevelgem - as well as the overall victory at Fitchburg in 2000.

"If there was ever any doubt as to whether or not a helmet works, there is no doubt," Cipollini said. "All our guys wear a helmet everywhere they race. I saw the French riders were protesting wearing helmets at their national championship, and I'd like to show them a photograph of Henk's bloody, shattered helmet. You can actually see the imprints of the guard rail on his helmet."'

Pretty illustrative of modern helmet design. They always say that a helmet wouldn't have saved Casartelli in the '95 Tour de France, after he hit that concrete barrier head first, but I think this puts the lie to that.


   RE:MISC:   Helmets posted by Keith on 10/27/2003 at 2:16:15 PM
I'll stick by my position that helmet laws for kids are a good thing. That a jurisdiction chooses not to enforce them doesn't make the law bad -- it's a breach of the duty to enforce the law, which is itself a violation of law. If police started to ticket parents whose children ride without helmets, you'd see helmets on most kids pretty quickly. It could be done.

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   DBS posted by: Rob on 10/23/2003 at 5:34:57 PM
A while back, there was some discussion on DBS...the Norwegian bike...in my searches for info on Crescent, I found this site with photos of a DBS Internazionale, that might be of interest:


The site is in Swedish, which I can only guess at, but this model was set up with mid to late 70s 600EX...a nice looking bike...apparently in that era DBS had three high end bikes...'La Migliore', 'Professionale' and 'Internazionale'.

I guess these bikes were so thin on the ground in North America, it would be hard to get a good critique...

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   DBS posted by Jim Te Krony on 10/24/2003 at 5:16:09 AM
I've seen one DBS, a three speed at a thrift store. They seem very rare in the U.S.A., I wonder if they were ever imported and to what part of the country. I went to a college that had a Norwegian heritage and their sports cheer was, "lutefisk, leftsa, were the mighty lutes, you betcha, you betcha". Lutefisk is a salty, oily cured fish that is eaten with buttermilk (sour milk!). Some norwegians joke about using it to scare away skunks!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Fender Tips posted by: Tom on 10/23/2003 at 2:34:33 PM
Any tips on fitting 3-speed fenders [metal from a old raleigh 26 x 1 3/8] wheel on a bike with 27" tires? Is there a good way to reshape them?

   RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Fender Tips posted by paul on 10/24/2003 at 12:37:30 AM
I put a new set of 26X1 and 3/8 black roadster tires made in China on my 1965 Rudge Sports and they just fit because they are slightly fatter (cross section) so my assumption is that you probably will not be able to use 26 metal fenders over 27 X1 and 1/4 tires and wheels. To re-shape the fenders would be virtually impossible. My suggestion is to go to LBS and buy plastic fits all fenders (skinny or wide) under $40 for the pair usually in gloss black. I know soeone that used them on a 25inch tall Raleigh DL-1 with 28 inch tires and they look fabulous! paul

   RE:RE:VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Fender Tips posted by JONathan on 10/24/2003 at 1:36:38 AM
I have tried the 26" fender ( American Eagle 3 sp.) fitted against a 27 inch wheel. The fit looks to be "doable", with a minor change to the fender stays which appear to be a bit short. If you get a pop-rivet tool, the job would be a "snap"!
I have not actually put one on, but the comparison with a 27" (Bridgestone, Carmel) and tracking over a 27 wheel and tire looks like there is plenty of room with a longer stay and a slight bend to increase the radius. The biggest concern is crimping the 26" fender in this process, so take it easy. I am going with an extension that will be pop-rivetted to the existing eyes of the stays. The extension can be drilled out with a new eye for the attachment. Piece' a cake!
Good luck,

   Extension note posted by JONathan on 10/24/2003 at 1:49:30 AM
AI plan to overlap the extension for strength and to accept a second rivet. This will reduce the probability of the stay rotating at the joined connection. Alternative is to braze the extension. This means grinding the chrome off the stay and the extension, so I prefer to go the rivet route.
Also, I may have to grind the attachment bracket off the fender and reposition it, too...have not got that far, but it is easy to do, if necessary. That's about it. I was thinking about making a rod-like stay out of stock from the hobby shop RC racing dept. A little bent bracket to hold the rod inside the fender; pop-rivet to fender. The end could be bent around into an eye. That is pretty slick.
Won't look as goofy as the extension fix.

MISC:   a big thank you!!!!!! posted by: luke on 10/23/2003 at 1:09:11 AM
im so glad that the good people at old roads have this
new system that will keep the bike in bicycling.
i was very happy to see the inapropriate box today.
there is no need for mindless talk,when our real mission
is to cover the realm of bicycling,past or present.
once again,thank you
the [real] luke

   RE:MISC:   a big thank you!!!!!! posted by james on 10/23/2003 at 11:00:23 PM
Your right luke!!
Lets all keep this site true.

MISC:   a big thank you!!!!!! posted by: luke on 10/23/2003 at 1:09:11 AM
im so glad that the good people at old roads have this
new system that will keep the bike in bicycling.
i was very happy to see the inapropriate box today.
there is no need for mindless talk,when our real mission
is to cover the realm of bicycling,past or present.
once again,thank you
the [real] luke

MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by: Ralph on 10/22/2003 at 3:15:46 PM
I see this guy about 500 feet ahead on a road bike in all the latest fashion. I can tell by the look of him that he's one of those guys who has to have all the expensive toys. I love to ride, and to each his own, but fashion riders just make me nuts! Now here I am, a 44 year old 235 pound guy riding this old Austrian Sears Free Spirit I found on the curb last year (It's my winter bike). I love situations like this. I cycle commute 12 mile round trip to work year round. At last count I rode 86.6% of work days. You could never tell to look at me, but I can usually eat these guys for lunch. And to add insult to injury, I fly past him wearing my dress pants, shirt & tie! This is my usual riding clothes in this kind of weather. I actually heard this one let fly with a little "Jesus Christ" as I dropped him. He tried to catch me, but there was never really any contest. What really gets them going is when I do that on my old Raleigh Tourist!

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Gralyn on 10/22/2003 at 3:37:29 PM
YOU GO!!!!
That's what I like to hear!
I don't garb-up much when I ride. Besides, I like to be able to get off my bike and be able to walk around like a normal person....not in all the bike clothing.

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Justridingalong on 10/22/2003 at 5:05:42 PM
Ralph, I had this friend (distance runner in high school ranked top 15 in nation) that would ride around in cutoff levi's, T-shirt, tennis shoes and basketball socks looking for guys in cycling clothes with pro bikes that he would "eat for lunch". I always thought he was kind of sad.

Whenever guys catch up to me and say, "I really had to work to catch you" I always say, "I didn't know we were racing!" Testosterone poisoning... sad.

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Rob on 10/22/2003 at 5:06:12 PM
Hey, Ralph, I like it...assuming you're only doing it do the arrogant ones...:) Myself, I'm pretty fast...considering all the traffic lights and stop signs on my route..., and only a few get by me. They're typically pretty fit looking, and typically on fairly decent machines, and that's fine...it encourages me to keep building myself up. However, one day last summer, this big, rather pudgy looking guy on a cheap-looking, old, low-end MTB breezed by me...department store pedals, street clothes, sitting upright...and I couldn't catch him...I was quite surprised...he must be one strong dude...a wolf in sheep's clothing...

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Keith on 10/22/2003 at 6:29:42 PM
I dunno. I know any number of cyclists who wear lycra and ride expensive bikes but average only about 12mph. Likewise, I know many many riders, myself included, who own nice modern bikes and wear jerseys and bike shorts clothing and are the nicest people you'd ever want to know. Some are racers, most I know are not. Most of them don't have an attitude, and you can't tell just by looking at them that they're "one of those guys who has to have all the expensive toys" You could probably beat some of them on your three speed (I have 2 DL-1s, a Sports and a Hercules), but some of them would most certainly trounce you. I own vintage bikes, ride them and enjoy them, but I also own contemporary bikes, and enjoy them too. Sometimes I wear street clothes when I ride, other times I wear bike clothes. I don't feel superior either way. Do you?

   RE:RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Gralyn on 10/22/2003 at 8:25:15 PM
I like wearing the bike clothes - when that's all I'm doing is riding out...then coming back. But when I'm going somewhere in particular, or if I take my bike along with me to ride around somewhere - I'll just wear shorts, t-shirt, etc. I feel much the same either way, though.

     So I'm riding home from work...... posted by John E on 10/22/2003 at 8:50:57 PM
One of the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition's former presidents commutes 7 miles each way every weekday, in business attire, on a 7-speed city bike. Even though he is in his 50s, he often passes the racerboys on weekends, when riding his 1980s Trek road bike. When asked the source of his power, he simply says, "Five days a week, I ride a heavy bike with fenders." We must never forget the cardiovascular conditioning benefits of daily commuting.

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by T-Mar on 10/22/2003 at 9:06:12 PM
Great attitude Keith! I'm with you. The important thing is that we all cyclists (not bikers - they are the guys that need an internal combustion engine between the two wheels). We should all respect each other. Who cares if the other person is on a mountain bike, custom road bike or some beat up, old, department store bike? At least they are on a bicycle and not driving a car!

I have a friend whom people in my Cycling Club will not associate with, due to his lack of social skills and appearance. The guy is desperate to learn about cycling but nobody else is willing to help educate him. He's actually a very nice person, who just had a different upbringing. My association with him may cause some riffs in the club, but I won't turn away from anyone is interested in cycling. That's what great about this site. We're all cyclists willing to help one another. Too bad we don't have the same attitude on the asphalt.

Respect for the brotherhood is one thing those other "bikers" have right. When they pass each other on the road, they all wave to each other. It doesn't matter if they are riding a H-D chopper, Japanese cafe racer, or a tiny 100cc run-about. I used to have a Honda 750cc cafe racer and would sometimes take bio-breaks at the side of the road. Every passing motorcyclist would stop to see if I needed assistance or a ride and that included the Satan's Choice gang members! Yeah, that's the once thing I miss in cycling. We're too hung up in our little cliques. Too bad, except for that, it's a great lifestyle. Hang, I can even live with the cars, if they can live with me.

   RE:RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by JONathan on 10/22/2003 at 10:43:27 PM
My get up is simple. I had a pair of Nautica heavy-duty (22 Oz. denim) jeans that were grotesquely long and too baggy for me. I had them cut-off and seamed by the local seamstress. Longsleeve, loose-fit, silk shirt that flaps in the breeze. Reminds me of sailing. Silk is amazingly warm for its weight, too. Here, the S.F. Peninsula weather is never savage in winter so I can run all year in cut-offs and shirt. A windbreaker is nice for rain. I get so heated that the rain cools me off!
I sure hope I run across a pair of Nautica HD jeans again at the resale shop. The one I have won't last another year with my amount of riding. I use riding gloves all the time...that is my one tribute to "modern" bike apparel. Gloves and helmut. Commuters are tough as nails riders. I have been passed a lot, but they have to be putting out considerable effort or they are pro's. A relative visited from England who gave me an education in riding a bike. He borrowed a junky "Firenze" 10 speed while I had my alloy wheeled MTB.
We hit the bike path for a 30 mile jaunt to a fish hatchery. I was thinking he hang back, but it the other way around. I was busting hard on the 48 chainring while that steel 52 was loping along on his end of the deal. The guy put me to shame. He walked everywhere, too! Just regular leather shoes, too. I guess if you go 30 miles one way commute in western England for a few years, you gotta be tough. I'm lucky to log 20 miles in a day.
Good rides,

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Derek Coghill on 10/22/2003 at 10:53:38 PM
When I was at college, part of my route included a long steep hill. I was, one day, inordinately pleased to have kept up with a guy on an MTB on my 20's 3-speed (28" wheels).

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by DC Wilson on 10/23/2003 at 12:41:00 AM

   RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Brian on 10/23/2003 at 12:37:40 PM
I ride in bicycle specific wear on longer rides, or in pants/casual shirts & sneakers on one of my SOAG (step on & go) bicycles (3-speeds) for a short spin - why bother with all that Clark Kent changeover routine for a 5-10 mile spin for Chinese food or something from the hardware store? The helmet & gloves go on all rides, as history has been my teacher. I must admit to the thrill in overtaking/keeping up with "racer boys" when in my street clothing mode. Is it a male testosterone thing that clouds our heads? Do women find such joy in showing-up racer types too? Maybe it's not exclusively a male ego/self esteem thing?

   RE:RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Dave on 10/23/2003 at 3:15:37 PM
It's still fun to blast past a brand new $3000.00 Klein MTB with a '64 Varsity! Just my 2'c's.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   So I'm riding home from work...... posted by Kim on 10/24/2003 at 2:11:18 PM

MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by: T-Mar on 10/22/2003 at 12:05:08 AM
A while back, I said I would post some technical details on John Howard's land speed record bicycle, once I found the article.

Weight: 46 lbs
Wheelbase: 45 inches
Frame:standard chromium-molybdenum tubing
Fork: motorcyle with triple clamps, suspension & hydraulic steering damper
Wheels: Akront 18" x 2.0" motorcyle rims, 36 spokes
Tires: Dunlop motorcycle slicks
Gearing: 70/13T primary drive with 52/16T secondary drive, providing 376 gear inches or 99.5 feet of forward travel per pedal revolution, or 150 mph at 135 rpm!
Brakes: cantilever rear brake and front bumper bar
Cost: $10,000 (1983)

While the wheels, tires and suspension came from the motorcycle field, there were a few standard bicycle parts. The crankarms are Campagnolo NR/SR with NR chainrings (though I bet that 70T is custom and the secondary drive crankarm has the arm removed from the spider). Pedals are Campagnolo Superleggeri, with toe clips and straps. The sprockets and chain are standard bicyle items, as are the cantilever brakes. The seatpost is Campagnolo and the saddle appears to be a Brooks Pro.

The most interesting aspect is the dual reduction drive system. The left hand, primary drive ran to a jackshaft located on a frame extension, about 10" behind the seatpost. On the opposite end of this jackshaft was the 52T chainring for right hand, secondary drive that ran to the rear wheel. This sytem was chosen over the customary 130T+ chainring because it allowed use of standard parts, provided more flexibility in changing gearing and was more efficient.

The bicyle was cable towed to a speed of 60-90 mph, at which point the cable was released by the rider using a modified brake lever. Pace car speed was remote contolled by the cyclist using a motorcyle style throttle, connected to an electonic transmitter. Intial braking was acheived by a front bumper bar extending from the head column. The cyclist would slow the car by remote throttle and slam the bumper bar into a special bumper on the pace car. Once speed slowed sufficiently that he could safely exit the slipstream of the pace car, the solitary cantilever brake was employed.

Reportedly, the draft zone allowed the cyclist to ride no more than 10 inches off the bumper of the pace car. While being the cyclist was no easy feat, I cannot imagine being the person in the car. Basically, he was steeering a 150 mph missile, with no control of the throttle or braking.

   RE:MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by Rob on 10/22/2003 at 3:20:45 AM
Interesting stuff...when I first heard saw the photos of the 152mph bike...I wondered about co-ordination between the cyclist and the car driver...at the speeds involved and the subtle inputs the cyclist would have had to make to control the bike, I couldn't see how two people could co-ordinate that well...and, yeah,Tom, how about that car driver...150mph and no control over the speed or brakes...nerves I'm sure I couldn't muster...

   RE:MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by Keith on 10/22/2003 at 1:03:52 PM
Believe it or not Howard's record has been eclipsed. A 50 year old Norwegian rider went 166mph. I don't have any of the details, but I read about it at the Bicycle Museum of America near the reproduiction Letourner record bike exhibit.

   RE:MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by Keith on 10/22/2003 at 4:49:06 PM
He's not from Norway, but the Netherlands. Anyway his name is Fred Rompelberg and his top speed on 10-3-95 was either 166.94 or 167.043 mph depending on the source. I didn't find any details on the bike. T-Mar?

   RE:RE:MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by T-Mar on 10/22/2003 at 4:56:10 PM
That sounds like it may be Fred Rompelberg, who went 167.043 mph at the Bonneville Salt Flats on Oct. 03 1995. However, I've also seen this reported as 166.944 mph (wind factor correction?). Regardless, it is darn fast. I believe Fred is actually Dutch. From the few pictures I have seen, his bicycle appears similar to Howard's, though the secondary drive is located directly behind the primary drive, in line with the chainstays.

   RE:MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by Keith on 10/22/2003 at 5:22:57 PM
I'm finding bits and pieces here and there. He was born in 1945, started bicycle racing in 1971, and he crashed during one of his attempts at 120mph. Yikes! He has a cycling-related website but I didn't find anything on it about the record.

      Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by John E on 10/22/2003 at 8:44:51 PM
The 1945 year of birth would make him almost a contemporary of Howard's.

   RE:MISC:   Land Speed Record Bicycle posted by T-Mar on 10/22/2003 at 10:00:58 PM
I don't why there is a relative lack of info on Rompelberg's record. There appears to be lots of info on Howard's record. Obviously Howard's record was considered more significant for the time. Was because of his name, the fact he was American, or the bicycle? His jump in the reocrd over Abbott certainly wasn't that much larger than Rompelberg's gain. The time span between records was also similar. And his bicycle owed a lot to Abbott's design, though not the double reduction drive.

One thing I forgot to mention about the double reduction system is that it permits a much lower bottom bracket height. While this lowers the centre of gravity, more importantly, it keeps the overall height of the cyclist lower. This means the pace car can run a shorter deflector/shield and it is easier to control both the car and slipstream.

Sorry about repeating your corrections Keith. It seems I was constructing my post, just when you were posting yours. I guess great minds thing alike AND in the same time frame!

VINTAGE LIGHTWEIGHTS:   Nice Baggins Bag on Ebay posted by: beaver charlie on 10/22/2003 at 12:19:49 AM
Item number: 2198300187

AGE / VALUE:   40 SPOKE FRONT HUB posted by: Kevin K on 10/21/2003 at 8:27:08 PM
Hi all. Is such a hub made? If so, small or large flange. Thanks, Kevin

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   40 SPOKE FRONT HUB posted by T-Mar on 10/21/2003 at 11:02:00 PM
Phil Wood, Shimano & Sanshin all make tandem front hubs with 40 hole drilling. The samples I've seen were large flange. I can't say for sure, but in order to get the required spacing between the holes for reliability, they would probably have to be large flange. If you have no luck with your local shop, visit the Harris Cyclery site http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/hubs.html#tandem

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   40 SPOKE FRONT HUB posted by Don on 10/22/2003 at 2:38:09 AM
My 1984 Specialized Expedition Touring bike has 40 spoke, low flange hubs front & rear so they are out there. Don't know who the manufacturer was though, they have no marking at all & the skewer says Specialized. It has Super Champion rims.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   40 SPOKE FRONT HUB posted by Don on 10/22/2003 at 2:52:50 AM
To see a picture, go to eBay item # 3631959620. Not my bike but similar. Some photos show the hub. Don